Proposed Darkonite Revamp


#4267613 Posted on: 01/9/12 at 5:50pm
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News comments are blowing up and forums are easier to read so...

Proposed Revamp on the left, current on the right

Personally, I hate how the new one almost looks cuddly. It has a personality completely different from the old Darkonite.
The art is much improved, and I do like the back hooves a lot better now. But he needs his ferocity back.



#4267614 Posted on: 01/9/12 at 5:56pm
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This is the first one I have ever voted on the old pet. I agree that the art looks good, but the expression needs to be changed. There also something that seems off about the entire pet. I can't really name it, but it just look weird to me.


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#4267752 Posted on: 01/9/12 at 5:57pm
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Here's what I commented on the News Post:



I think the art certainly looks much more polished, but certain parts of it look off. Personally, I don't care for the pose, it looks a bit to cutesy for me, kinda like how my puppy stands when he wants a treat. Maybe if it was reared up on it hind legs or in a more aggressive stance...

Some examples for poses:
About to pounce, Creeping, On hind legs, or Jumping.

And I think the only other thing I don't like would be the face. If you want to keep the sly grin I think the eyes need to get even thinner, OR I think I'd like his face to be a bit less mischievous and a lot more evil. Maybe barring his teeth or something?

But yeah, that's all I got :P
I love the new art but I think it need to be more fierce c:



#4267666 Posted on: 01/9/12 at 5:57pm
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i agree with you guys. the new one just looks like a soft toy or something :l i like the old one's fierceness and how it kinda looked worn out...but cool? idk how to explain it but i like the old one better this time :I



#4267616 Posted on: 01/9/12 at 5:59pm
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I think the body and legs/feet look much, much better. The tuft of fur on the head looks a little tacked on, and I don't like the smile. For the most part, though, the new one is far less awkward than the old.
The front legs could stand to be a little better, but I can't really give proper critique on that.



#4267669 Posted on: 01/9/12 at 5:59pm
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I don't think it was really worth the effort tbh... It didn't look that bad to begin with. I really liked the crinkled whiskers and the dark flames at the bottom of the old one's feet which I really felt they should have put onto the new one. The new one's smile looks a little out of place as well. Oh well, I voted for the new one because I think the quality is a little nicer.



#4267671 Posted on: 01/9/12 at 6:02pm
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I feel the art has improved and there's certain elements I do quite like, but generally I'm a fan of the old as a whole.

The anatomy seems different and off compared to the old version, and the anatomy (in my opinion) is part of what made the old Darkonite, well Darkonite. I'm just not a fan of the anatomy, loss of personality, and this feeling like I'm almost looking at an entirely new pet. It's cute, but Darkonites don't strike me as a meant-to-be-cute pet.



#4267772 Posted on: 01/9/12 at 6:02pm
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This has to be the first common pet revamp that I don't like.

It looks too friendly I liked it a lot better when it had an evil look on it's face.The eyes are too small,the nose is too low,the muzzle looks too low.Also the whiskers are gone and the markings on the legs look too faded.The other new Darkonite colors has whiskers I don't get why the ones in the common revamp are gone.I would like it if the final revamp looked a bit closer to the original.

I voted for the old one,yes the art quality in the new one looks better but it just doesn't seem to fit the Darkonite at all.



#4267678 Posted on: 01/9/12 at 6:06pm
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Several people have said this but it's true for me too, this is the first pet poll ever I have picked the old art over the new. The new art just is not true to the 'type' of the old art (old Darkonite is supposed to be a demon right? I swear I saw that somewhere when I first picked the species for one of my pets.) It's much too cutesy and not at all the 'doesn't give a love' vibe the old Darkonite has.

The new art is nicely done, it's not an issue of quality for me at all, it's just not the same species to me :-/



#4267687 Posted on: 01/9/12 at 6:14pm
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I love the new one a lot. The face is a little off, via eyes and smile but other then that I totally love how you now can tell the paws from the hooves and what not. It's lovely.


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#4267698 Posted on: 01/9/12 at 6:19pm
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yeah, also the first pet where I preferred the old one over the revamp. 8( There's just this cartoony and shiny feel to it that doesn't belong on a darkonite. That and my eyeballs are picking fights with the anatomy problems. I do like the crisp and clean feel that it gives off, but for now, I think the shiny and plastic look is overriding it.

but I suppose that's why they're asking crit from the public first.

edit; psst click for redraw
I made a longer post in the news but I figure this pretty much sums up how I would like it to be? kinda rushed because I gotta go so I'm sorry if I sound like a huge butthead or something um
just keep in mind it's based off my own opinions and I am crap with wording things so I thought an image to go with it would work better? I don't know. anyway.
1. hind legs look longer than front legs; its hindquarters are elevated and makes it lean forward unnaturally? not sure actually, just my feeling.
2. head looks like a circle with features pasted on top. skullcap looks kind of flat and plastic; could use some more texture and ridges and less shiny.
3. the smile takes away from its personality and the middle of the mouth line looks blended in. massive pet peeve. makes it look anime-ish and unprofessional.
4. chest could use a bit more shape; make it dip down before you start curving it. a simple curve makes it look kind of stiff.

in any case, I'm really excited to see where this goes and hopefully I'm going to like this pet a little bit more haha.





#4267703 Posted on: 01/9/12 at 6:33pm
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Normally I embrace change but I do not like this in the least. I appreciate the work of the artist but I feel this new form drains every little ounce of personality from the Darkonite. The art itself feels softer than the original and makes it look to... squishy, cartoon-y, cute-sy and to me that is not the Darkonite AT ALL. They are supposed to be DARK not derpy.

Also what happened to the amazing whiskers? Thats one of my favorite features of the Darkonite!



#4267619 Posted on: 01/9/12 at 6:34pm
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The only thing I have an issue with is the facial expression. The mouth makes it look like it's smiling rather than sneering, so it looks less malicious than it used to. I think a small change to its mouth could give it a more severe look and would make it look less "cuddly." Narrowing the eyes a bit like someone else suggested might also help.

Poorly photoshopped example:

Original on the left; narrower eyes and changed mouth on the right.



#4267622 Posted on: 01/9/12 at 7:03pm
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Quote By @bri:

I feel the art has improved and there's certain elements I do quite like, but generally I'm a fan of the old as a whole.

The anatomy seems different and off compared to the old version, and the anatomy (in my opinion) is part of what made the old Darkonite, well Darkonite. I'm just not a fan of the anatomy, loss of personality, and this feeling like I'm almost looking at an entirely new pet. It's cute, but Darkonites don't strike me as a meant-to-be-cute pet.


these are my sentiments exactly, in much better words than i would have ever used.



#4267623 Posted on: 01/9/12 at 7:08pm
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I think this is a case where the revamp is a bit too undercooked, so to speak.

Here are some things that I, as a user and darkonite owner, would like to see for the revamp:

#1. The skin looks kind of odd and shiny. Also, the skull helmet is shiny. Animals aren't shiny. Especially ones from the Dark Side. The old one was not shiny and I think the more normal skin would work better.

#2. The nose looks like an overstuffed plushie (I'm not saying that to be rude, that's just how I'd describe it). It's really...round and kind of prominent.

#3. On the tail furthest from us, on the triangular tip, the revamp one seems to have what looks like coloring outside the lines? Or sketchy lineart. I think it is supposed to be the back of the triangle curling around, but it just doesn't look right.

#4. The foreleg closest to us seems a bit off. Why is it chunky under the elbow but thinner above? That's where the bulk of the muscle is.

#5. The 'socks' on the legs should remain darker, as on the original. I think this is something really simple that could have been left alone.

#6. The hair tuft covering the exposed brain looks off to me for some reason. A bit too shiny perhaps? Maybe too poofy?

Good things on revamp:
-Better back leg
-Better set of 3 spikes coming off cheeks
-Better chest plate with nice tapering off on belly

Good luck to the artist. This revamp does not seem to be winning the crowds over, from what I've seen.



#4267778 Posted on: 01/9/12 at 7:10pm
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Quote By @bri:

I feel the art has improved and there's certain elements I do quite like, but generally I'm a fan of the old as a whole.

The anatomy seems different and off compared to the old version, and the anatomy (in my opinion) is part of what made the old Darkonite, well Darkonite. I'm just not a fan of the anatomy, loss of personality, and this feeling like I'm almost looking at an entirely new pet. It's cute, but Darkonites don't strike me as a meant-to-be-cute pet.


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#4267781 Posted on: 01/9/12 at 7:11pm
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The Darkonite is my favorite pet since I have been on Subeta.
The new one is missing the stockyness of the old, they need the dour expression, and the whiskers.
The old markings on legs need to be saved.


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#4267708 Posted on: 01/9/12 at 7:23pm
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I'm glad to see that the darkonite is getting attention, but this isn't exactly what I was hoping would happen..
I think I'll just list off the little things I see that bug me:
-the curved snout and nose being so far down
-mouth line fading
-hind end being so high up
-face looks too friendly, and I'm missing the scar and whiskers
-wishing the hooves wouldn't look like they are spread out so much
-I was trying to figure out whether I liked the old paws for the pet, based off of the more current drawings of it, and I think I'd miss the polar bear-like front paws if they were changed. The big squishy toes on the proposed revamp look kind of silly.


The proportions on the Glacier Darkonite are what I'd personally like to see put into the revamp.


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#4267626 Posted on: 01/9/12 at 7:49pm
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I think one important thing to keep in mind with this is it's just not having to work off the old to the new pet - it's also having to work off ALL the recolors, most of which won't have to be redrawn (ie glacier, glade, spectrum, etc) but that don't quite match the old pet, either. In the end, a revamp of the common color is going to have to match the redraws more than the old pet - unless everyone wants to see EVERY redraw completely revamped as well!

I know @hagane wanted this polled so she could make a lot of changes to it based off what people wanted, so I don't think anyone should worry yet, haha. Also, she told me in passing that she really accidentally forgot the whiskers, and they're not getting removed from the pet xD so no one needs to worry about the whiskers!

ETA - I did want to add though that I'm not getting the 'cuddly' vibe from it other people seem to be! I think it looks very stocky and muscular, not like.. flabby or fuzzy or cuddly xD But again, a lot of the redraws --



are sleeker and not as stocky, so I think it's something to be expected with the entire species revamp.



#4267634 Posted on: 01/9/12 at 8:28pm
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I posted in the news, but I'll post here too.
I feel like it's leaned forward too much... like it's tipping forward? And The hair on the head doesn't seem to come out at a "natural" angle. The only other thing is that there seems to be something off near the left side of the face (looking at it, so its right). I think that it seems a little stubby? short? not sure, exactly, maybe I just think the top of the nose is too rounded, kind of like a teddy bear. It's hard to put into words what I think is off about it.

Other than that, I think it's headed in a great direction and I look forward to seeing how it goes. :D I know hagane does amazing work, so I am sure it'll be great :D