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| #1 :: November 12th, 2010 @ 10:28 PM | |
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My thoughts: Bad. There's other ways to feel good, and that is not one of them. Sure, maybe doing it once won't hurt you in the long run, but it does leave a mark somewhere, somehow. It is NOT a crutch you want to lean on when you need a pick-me-up. By drugs, I mean narcotics, but this is open to alcohol, tobacco, etc. too. But my thoughts still stand on those too. forum text loading...
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| #2 :: November 12th, 2010 @ 10:30 PM | |
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@dot Is this recreational use you're discussing or are you talking about drugs as a whole even when prescribed and monitored by a doctor? I simply ask because you mentioned 'narcotics' and well, they go both ways.
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| #3 :: November 12th, 2010 @ 10:33 PM | |
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Sorry, I wasn't clear there. Recreational use. forum text loading...
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| #4 :: November 14th, 2010 @ 12:10 AM | |
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I feel a lot of people used drug as a release and would argue that it helps them cope with stressors. However, I think, not counting the various psyical side effects, that drugs are harmful. They don't help you really discover the what is really bothering you. It is a cover up, a way to escape the concious self that you are afraid to confront.
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| #5 :: November 14th, 2010 @ 3:30 AM | |
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I think people that have made final judgments for or against drugs should know someone who's actually been addicted to them. Last Edit by:
primarily 11/14/10 - 3:32:00 am
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| #6 :: November 14th, 2010 @ 4:14 AM | |
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@primarily
You're very right about why a lot of addicts are in their particular positions. I think the OP is saying they disagree with the whole recreational drug use as an acceptable lifestyle stance, not that people who do drugs are stupid and just need to stop. Drugs are still seen as glamorous to a lot of impressionable people, and the various groups advocating to make some of them legal aren't helping that fight.
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| #7 :: November 14th, 2010 @ 4:47 AM | |
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 Of course there are other ways to feel good but for me, it's no different than going to the pub with my friends for drinks. It's fun. Recreational. As for the 'long-term' effects, I think that if someone is aware of it being a possibility, then they shouldn't be penalised for it. At the end of the day, you've gotta do what makes you happy! And that's obviously always a lot easier to do when people don't judge you for it.
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| #8 :: November 15th, 2010 @ 11:34 AM | |
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Quote By @dot:
Sure, maybe doing it once won't hurt you in the long run, but it does leave a mark somewhere, somehow. goshdarn science, how does it work? uninformed opinions are the best opinions. what kind of debate is this if the opening post is just an opinion without any bg info or evidence to support your statement? join #stijn |
| #9 :: November 23rd, 2010 @ 3:01 AM | |
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For the smaller drugs (weed to acid range) recreational would be fine in a controlled environment (weed at home is fine, acid would be like an all nighter some where where the person takes away everyones keys and there are a good amount of people not on the drug there to control certain situations).
The harder drugs? No. Ive seen what they do to people, how angry it makes alot of people. Some people like my best friend arent affected (he did heroine for a month straight all day every day at a hippie festival and just got bored with it so he stopped), but 80% of the drug users i know have extremely addictive personalities, and unfortunately they are hooked on the stuff.
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| #10 :: November 23rd, 2010 @ 3:11 AM | |
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The way your question is phrased leaves it very open to interpretation. You're basically asking whether drugs in general - without specifying illicit substances - are bad/good, harmful/harmless, etc. Narcotics are simply a specific classification of drugs which can include prescription medications as well, so that doesn't really narrow it down.  Anyways. I feel that properly used, prescription drugs are very beneficial. They help a lot of people overcome debilitating physical, emotional and mental issues and lead normal lives. As for illicit drugs, in the case of marijuana, I'm not completely against its occasional recreational use. Other drugs, however, I'm very much against. A single dose of ecstasy, cocaine, meth or other similar "designer" drugs can kill a person, and I don't think anyone should take that sort of a risk. |
| #11 :: December 1st, 2010 @ 9:58 PM | |
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I think drugs should be legal, but people should be given all the truth about them.
If someone wants to do drugs, let them - it's their body, and it's their life.
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| #12 :: December 14th, 2010 @ 10:22 PM | |
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I agree wholeheartedly with Zeppelyn. Drugs should be legal and people have a right to do whatever the hell they want to their bodies. Speaking from experience, drugs help a lot, but hurt a lot simultaneously. I'm not talking kitty drugs like marijuana or anything either; I'm talking about crap like x, crystal, acid, etc, or what a lot of people would classify as hard drugs (I, personally, don't...).
I think it's funny how people say you can get addicted after one try of something. It's true you can die if you get the wrong thing or are inexperienced or overdose, but unless you have a severely (I mean, unnaturally) addictive personality, there's no way you can get addicted with just one try. I've known no one who has and I haven't, either. I think it they were legal, though, there'd have to be some other kind of law attached to their legality because drugs affect different people differently. Some drugs that make people super happy and loving can make others destructive and harmful. When it starts affecting others, I think it's inappropriate and should be dealt with accordingly. But, hey, it's your life and people who want to do drugs will do them regardless of if they're legal or not. And that's pretty much my minimized opinion. :p
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| #13 :: December 15th, 2010 @ 6:13 PM | |
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 ALSO, it's the only drug with lethal withdrawal symptoms. Granted, you have to be a pretty hard core alcoholic to get to that point.http://health.howstuffworks.com/wellness/drugs-alcohol/drug-ranking.htm (I didn't feel like looking at scholarly articles to find better stuff, so settle for this) Anyway, I'm all for legalizing every drug available to humans. Last Edit by:
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| #14 :: December 17th, 2010 @ 3:33 PM | |
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I take recreational drugs now and again. It's my body. My mind. If I wish to expand it, I will do, with or without anyones consent. The government/whatever can try to enforce control over me all it likes - I'm fine with obeying laws... Unless they tell ME what to do with MYSELF. Then I rebel. I love how obvious media propaganda has wormed it's way into most minds. :] Drugs are not good. Drugs are not bad. Medical, legal or illegal. They are chemicals. They are neutral. Use them in a manner that is stupid? Nuhduh, you are going to end up hurting yourself somehow. Use them in a cautious, controlled manner? You are more likely then not going to be fine. Alcohol is the most physically dangerous drug, tobacco is the most addictive, and yet they are both legal. Morphine and most pain killers are opiates (basically heroin!). That is why, just like with heroin, they are deadly when mixed with alcohol. Benzo's (like diazepam) are addictive depressants. Legal, of course. Weed? Virtually no harm. Only when smoked can it cause health complications. THC is one of the few chemicals of which a human cannot overdose on. The 'schizophrenia' myth IS a myth - schizophrenia is a genetic mental health problem and cannot be 'caused' by drug use (if you bother actually researching it, you'd find that schizophrenics tend to use drugs to escape schizophrenia). MDMA? In safe amounts, is safe. Roughly less then five or six people die a year from overdose, compared to the thousands that die for pain killer overdoses :] Acid? Pretty much safe in small amounts. DMT? Probably safe in small amounts. Shamans love the stuff. Coke? Stupid drug, but to be honest it's hardly as scary at it sounds. I've given it a good old snort and I'm not addicted so it's not like the media portrays it. Ketamine? Doctors use it, so surely we should be able to to. Alcohol? The only drug to permanently kill brain cells. Tobacco? More addictive then heroin and a massive contributor to human death. Don't believe me? Here are some links to try and make you think about life, instead of trusting the same old things again and again... They provide real studies and balanced approaches to drugs. www.erowid.org www.drugwarfacts.org note; people who seriously think you can die from drugs without a reason - please show me any kind of scienfitic/medical article which states this. please. because that is just ridiculous. yes, you can die from one overdose. but if you don't overdose, shock horror, you aren't going to die from overdose. overdosing is rare as it is, and tbh if drugs were legal they would go down. it's waaaaay easier to overdose on booze : / in my whole life I've done quite a few large quantities of powder, and yet the only time I've ever overdosed was at a xmas party and I had one too many eggnoggs. Last Edit by:
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| #15 :: December 17th, 2010 @ 6:47 PM | |
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| #16 :: December 17th, 2010 @ 6:54 PM | |
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 by I just can't believe how vague this topic is. Recreational use? What about self-medication? How are the two really different at all? They're both illegal, and you'll get the same amount of prison time. And if we talk about self-administering ANY kind of drug, whether it be to cure boredom or remedy pain, where is it okay to draw the line? Morphine, for example, is administered by DOCTORS, yet in the hands of a civilian it is considered a recreation drug despite the fact that the drug doesn't do anything different in either setting. It's the same drug. Cocaine was once administered by doctors- to babies, for toothaches. In fact, morphine was introduced to cure people's addictions to Cocaine if I remember correctly. It's absolutely impossible to debate "recreational drugs- good or bad" without getting into specifics. What is "necessary" to one person may be seen as "recreational" to somebody else in the scope of reality, which includes the fact that you can get a legal pharmaceutical to match the effects of ANY recreational drug. The only difference is that legal drugs have a "can potentially cause death" warning on the side of the box, while kids have no access to unbiased information about illicit substances. "I hear pot is dangerous so I'm going to take some Valium to get to sleep instead. I mean, the bottle tells me the side-affects and instructions in tiny print next to wonderful claims of effectiveness!". |
| #17 :: December 18th, 2010 @ 6:47 AM | |
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@COLT
You seriously think the government gives a rats ass about you or me? There are reasons drugs are illegal - none of them have anything to do with personal safety. And I don't consider drink-driving to be a personal choice anymore then I consider gunning down a school of children to be a personal lifestyle choice. Funny that. Clearly you don't understand what I mean. I mean that I have the right to do whatever I want with myself. That includes cut myself, jump off a bridge, inject myself with whatever, etc. etc. it doesn't mean I have the right to do whatever I want in general. 420 Friendly ♥ |
| #18 :: December 24th, 2010 @ 4:10 PM | |
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I dont use drugs, but almost all of my loved ones and family do.
I agree COMPLETELY with Reikei's post.
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| #19 :: December 24th, 2010 @ 4:20 PM | |
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I feel some of the less harmful ones (i.e. Marijuana in particular) are alright as long as you don't use them every day. More than a few times a month though, and you're pushing it. The ones that really screw you over, like Cocaine and Meth are *not* EVER okay, in my opinion. Drinking is alright, if you monitor yourself and don't drink just to get drunk. Tobacco and cigarettes aren't okay with me either, because of their addictive quality. I've known people who keep saying they will stop for years and never do. I admit I do a few recreational drugs from time to time, or drink, but I try to not push it because whenever I have in the past (I didn't realize I was a lightweight for a long time...) things don't turn out so good. Anyway, I guess that's just my two cents. Buy my stuff?I give discounts! Last Edit by:
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| #20 :: January 5th, 2011 @ 12:28 PM | |
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In regards to illicit drugs - I don't really think there is a justifiable reason for using them. Like @dot said, there are other/better ways to feel good.
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| #21 :: January 10th, 2011 @ 8:36 PM | |
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People are often unaware of the consequences of your hard drugs such as cocaine and heroin; they often are only aware of the "glorified" version often portrayed in media and the like. So, unaware of these consequences (because they are not readily witnessed due to the legal status!), they do the drug, abuse the drug, and then whine about getting addicted. I will never smoke cigarettes because I have WITNESSED what it can do and how it can affect a person, mentally, emotionally, financially. Had my mother not been a smoker, and I had only seen what the media or whatever portrays, I may have been likely to end up a smoker. In Michigan, alcoholic energy drinks were made illegal for sale because a few college students abused them and died. Those college students died because they were obviously stupid. It was not the fault of the drink, it was the fault of the idiots who drank them. They made their choice and faced the consequences. So, in short: are some drugs dangerous? Yes, many can be. Should they be illegalized for this reason? Absolutely not. It's all about accountability. The only time laws should interfere with drug use is if such use will result in the harm of OTHER PEOPLE. Such as driving under the influence, to cite a simple example. But alcohol can result in the harm of other people and it's still legal, is it not? Much domestic violence occurs under the influence of alcohol, but it's still legal. As Reikei also pointed out, the reason many drugs are illegal has little to do with the "danger" they pose lol.
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| #22 :: January 10th, 2011 @ 10:54 PM | |
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 @ReikeiGonna be honest...Really hate how you went about posting that. I'm all for "your body, do what you want with it", but your post contributes to the negative view that people have of drug users. Your "facts" seemed like opinions backed by nothing but two nonspecific website url's. Quote: Weed? Virtually no harm. Only when smoked can it cause health complications. THC is one of the few chemicals of which a human cannot overdose on. The 'schizophrenia' myth IS a myth - schizophrenia is a genetic mental health problem and cannot be 'caused' by drug use (if you bother actually researching it, you'd find that schizophrenics tend to use drugs to escape schizophrenia). Weed: What you said is good. I'm not going to bother with weed..Anyone in their right mind knows weed is the least harmful illicit drug out there, even when the health hazards of inhaling any kind of smoke are factored in. MDMA: Ecstasy, the pill, is dangerous. There is no question about it. They can be laced with anything and everything and should not be bought unless you KNOW FOR A FACT you're getting a pure MDMA pill. Having said that, I'm not going to simply mark MDMA off as "safe to use in small doses" because that is bullcrap. If I take 120mg(a typical dose) every day for a month, I'm going to have some pretty terrible and noticeable effects. Including "depression, anxiety, emotional burnout, rejection-sensitivity, fatigue, insomnia, aching limbs, subtle cognitive deficits, immune system dysfunction, body temperature dysregulation, and a sense of derealisation or depersonalisation for several weeks or months afterwards." One thing that MDMA is NOT is addictive. If you want the same effect you got from taking one pill yesterday, then today you need to take 3. Continuing this, the chemical will loose its effects, making it useless(and EXPENSIVE) to continue to take. Anyway, although it has many negative effects, taking MDMA is worth it to a lot of people. Personally, I do not think MDMA is bad because to me, doing it once in a blue moon is worth the possible effects the next few weeks. I have tightened many already existing friendships through its use. I know i'll probably get nipped at for saying that, but it was asked if we PERSONALLY think drugs are good or bad so i figured personal responses would be okay. (Quote and other information from here and here) LSD: LSD is one of the safest drugs in terms of neurotoxicity, next to weed in my opinion. A typical dose of LSD is between 50 - 150 micrograms(ug). A lethal dosage would be 46 mg/kg(every 1 mg of LSD to every 1 kg of body weight) in a MOUSE. Imagine how much it would take to take down a human. Many people argue that LSD can cause permanent mental disorders, such as schizophrenia. In reality, schizophrenia effects every 2:1000 people who have used LSD, which is equivalent to the occurrence of schizophrenia in the normal population. "Bluring of vision, distortions of perspective, organized visual illusions, less discriminant hearing and a change in the sense of time" - this is a common explanation of the negative effects of LSD on anti-drug websites. Honestly, these are the effects of the drug. If you don't like them, then don't do take acid. Personal opinion, LSD is great(better than good). As long as the user is in a controllable, comfortable, and happy environment/state of mind their trip will go over without a hitch. There are NO physical effects from using LSD even 1 day after its use. Hell, even while you're on it you're safe. (Source: Here and Here) Cocaine: Not going to talk about this because I don't care to know much about such a stupid, expensive, and addictive drug. Yes, you may have done it once and not gotten addicted. You know how many times I've heard that crap? Especially from the people that I know that do heroin. "I did it once but I'm not addicted, so yeah." Doing it once opens the door to doing it multiple other times because you think you won't get addicted. Before you know it, you're doing it every time you go out just because you think you can "beat the addiction". That's when physical addiction comes in and you feel sick without it since you've done it so often. I don't know, cocaine is something that I have promised myself and many others that I would never touch. Opinion - Cocaine is bad, mmkay. DMT: Probably okay in small doses? Sounds convincing. DMT is a very strong psychedelic that is NATURALLY found in the human body (although its function and organ location is not known currently). Although this is true, DMT is not a drug for everyone. I've heard it described as a death experience. You die, but then are reborn, which makes it easy to see why many people claim DMT is release when we die. You must prepare yourself for a while for before embarking on a DMT trip. DMT is not addictive in the fact that one does not gain a tolerance from it. Also, it is so intense that it would be illogical to do it to the point of interfering with one's daily life (which is my definition of addiction). Could not find anything about the neurotoxicity of DMT, but I'm going to bet that it is little to none. Especially at the rate or dose that an average user would consume it. (Source: here) Ketamine: Just because "doctors use it" doesn't mean it's safe. To clarify, ketamine is used as a general anesthetic for children, people with poor health, and in veterinary medicine. Although it is used in medicine, that is under the care and administration of a train professional. Some dude sitting in a K-hole at a party probably took more than a recommended dose, medically speaking. Anyway, there is abuse potential for ketamine since you can built a tolerance to it and many people enjoy the floaty, dreamlike effects it gives. As far as neurotoxicity goes, in the short term it suppress respiration, which can be deadly when paired with other depressants such as alcohol. Overall, I do not think ketamine is all that dangerous when used in moderation. Personally, I don't enjoy ketamine, but to each their own. (Source: here) Summary: Some drugs are good some are bad lol. Recreational drug use is not for everyone, which is why everyone has such varying opinions of them. We're not going to sit here and debate about whether or not peanut butter is good or bad because everyone is entitled to their own opinion. It all boils down to what you what to experience in your lifetime. If you're willing to take the risks(both medical and legislational) and consume drugs, go ahead. If you'd rather play it safe and steer clear of drugs, that's fine too. No one can say whether they are morally good or bad. Medically speaking though from what I've seen of legal and illegal drugs, only marijuana and LSD are technically "good" with little to no side effects. But many would still argue otherwise. *Previously Aestival* Last Edit by: User not found (1): Aestival 1/10/11 - 11:01:07 pm
"Today a young man on acid realized that all matter is merely energy condensed to a slow vibration. That we are all one consciousness experiencing itself subjectively. There is no such thing as death, life is only a dream, and we are the imagination of ourselves. Here's Tom with the weather."
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| #23 :: January 11th, 2011 @ 4:41 AM | |
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@Aestival
Erowid and drugwarfacts are two of the biggest websites documenting drug use and abuse :/ They are NOT non-specific or opinionated. Before stating something ignorant like that, actually read the information on the websites. It really annoys me when people don't even bother to read urls but just dismiss them. Erowid is one of the most well-known drug related websites on the net, and drugwarfacts collects unbiased data from universities and local governments. And I can assure you that MDMA =/= Pills. Pills are unpredictable. I did not saying anything about pills. Why would even make that assumption? The reason I didn't have much to say on DMT is that there aren't enough studies. I can't help that. I'm not going to lie to people and say 'hmm, this is clearly safe' when actually I'm just going on the fact that there are hardly any deaths related to DMT, and it's been used for a very long time. But it's not got the fame and studies other drugs have. However, people always warn me not to do DMT until I'm older, so I don't think it's toxicity is the problem. Frankly, I don't really know. I know what it does, on a chemical and personal level, but I've never taken it and I haven't spoken to my doctor about it yet, so my judgement is loose. I'm sorry if my post wasn't good enough for you, but the whole point is trying to be friendly without sticking my opinions and facts down peoples throats, instead linking them to actual websites that provide multiple evidence for what I'm stating. I'm still, quite frankly, shocked you stuck your nose up at Erowid. Drugwarfacts is a bit medical and clinical, but Erowid uses science and human experience. 420 Friendly ♥ |
| #24 :: January 11th, 2011 @ 11:58 AM | |
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@ReikeiYour post just shows you didn't even bother looking at my sources. I cited Erowid multiple times. It is the best non-biased website out there, and I know this. What I mean by "non-specific URLs" is that you didn't link something specific, you just linked the website itself. If you actually want people to read the studies you get your facts from, then you need to link to what specific page you got facts from. I would assume not many will navigate around Erowid unless they know what they are looking for, cause it's kind of a confusing website. Plus, it's just nice to link actual pages, not just the main page. Also, I know MDMA is not only pills lol and I was not assuming that was what you were talking about. All I was saying was that MDMA in pill form is very unpredictable and it is dangerous since you can get bunk pills. I have experiences this first hand. Piperazine and meth are no fun. I did not make my post to go against yours. I made my post to back up your arguments with actual facts and actual links to pages with more facts if someone wishes to read more. DMT is actually one of the only psychedelics and/or schedule I drugs that has been released by the DEA, FDA, etc. for clinical studying recently. Hopefully this means more studies and information will be given out about it in the future. In my post, I was being friendly and I CERTAINLY wasn't trying to stick my opinions down peoples throats. I really don't see how posting my opinions mixed with facts is bad considering this is a debate thread where we were asked to state our opinions on drugs. And again. If you think I didn't link actual websites that provide evidence backing up what I am saying then you didn't bother clicking my sources. *Previously Aestival* "Today a young man on acid realized that all matter is merely energy condensed to a slow vibration. That we are all one consciousness experiencing itself subjectively. There is no such thing as death, life is only a dream, and we are the imagination of ourselves. Here's Tom with the weather."
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| #25 :: January 11th, 2011 @ 4:23 PM | |
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@Aestival
I didn't bother looking at yours because I already knew what you were saying xD; It would have been redundant. Same as I don't check sources that talk about the theory of evolution or... Pretty much anything I'm already clued up about. It wasn't meant as offensive, I just didn't need to validate what you were saying as it's my own knowledge. I can see what you mean about not being specific, but drugwarfacts is pretty well organized and I would guess that anyone genuinely interested in the documentation of drugs would not be put off by the fact they have to point and click themselves. I know what you mean, but I don't even associate pills with MDMA. Pills to me are BZNP and PCP and godknows what else people make them out of nowadays. I have a tester kit and haven't found more then trace amounts in over a year. But I guess the media still claims they are MDMA so I do see why there is a need to point out that pills are dangerous, as people still think it's ecstasy. & I'm also waiting on more of the clinical studies in DMT. I know they have massive supplies of different strains from chemical factories from the 1980's so it's not going to be difficult to study it. I wasn't saying you were sticking your opinions down peoples throats, I was just justifying why I didn't go into detail and gave people links to explore for themselves. The part I considered unfriendly was " Gonna be honest...Really hate how you went about posting that. I'm all for "your body, do what you want with it", but your post contributes to the negative view that people have of drug users. Your "facts" seemed like opinions backed by nothing but two nonspecific website url's" I'd also like to point out that a LOT of drug use IS opinion. The whole concept of safety is opinion - take horse riding, for instance. It's a very dangerous sport with high rates of injury and relatively high death rates, and yet it is considered safe enough for children to actively take part in, sometimes on a weekly or daily basis. I consider cocaine to be a relatively safe drug. I don't like it, I have no interest in it, I've seen people addicted to it, but it's hardly dangerous when compared to, say, opiates, many of which are taken by people all the time. 420 Friendly ♥ |
| #26 :: January 11th, 2011 @ 4:34 PM | |
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@ReikeiUnderstandable..about the mean part. I get really defensive and ready to prove anyone wrong when it comes to drugs and what seemed like someone who didn't know what they were talking about. They are one of the few things that I am actually passionate about, as sad as many would say that is  And yes. Drug use is all based in opinion. In my OP I said that, so we agree on this and everything else pretty much. I guess I'm just all about going really in depth with this kind of stuff, rather than just posting my opinion. Probably because if someone was like "ALL DRUGS KILL" then I'd want them to explain why they think that and where they are getting their information. For me, it's just easier to get it all out there in the first post. *Previously Aestival* "Today a young man on acid realized that all matter is merely energy condensed to a slow vibration. That we are all one consciousness experiencing itself subjectively. There is no such thing as death, life is only a dream, and we are the imagination of ourselves. Here's Tom with the weather."
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| #27 :: January 12th, 2011 @ 5:23 PM | |
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@Aestival
I understand, I'm extremely passionate about drugs as well, and I get very defensive about them because I understand them. I know more about them then most people because I really religiously spend time researching them and their history, and theories around them in areas like evolution. They are a huge part of my lifestyle, and not in the sad "I do them every day way" but in the way that they are how I've bonded with my family, my friends, how I've reached spiritual understanding and peace with myself. 420 Friendly ♥ |
| #28 :: January 18th, 2011 @ 7:04 PM | |
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My mom was addicted to drugs. her mistakes ruined my life. I hate drugs and what they did to her, and in turn-what she did to me.
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| #29 :: January 25th, 2011 @ 6:48 AM | |
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 I haven't tried drugs myself, and I don't think I ever will. The idea doesn't interest me. at all. I've heard weed is safe in all but the only problem I have with it is that it can be laced with something and your never 100% sure unless you make it yourself. That's what messed up someone I know. Her friend though it would be sooo funny to lace her weed with cocaine. (yeah not funny at all) then she got addicted to that among other drugs. She realized that she needed to stop and is now on a path to getting fixed. she's done some damage to her body already (ex her nose is all scared do to snorting the drugs i'm assuming) The other reason I wont try any drug is because it costs money.. I'd rather buy a movie with my hard earned money or you know food?? food just might be useful. so yeah, that's my opinion on drugs. THAT'S IT THAT'S ALL I GOT!
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| #30 :: February 19th, 2011 @ 11:16 PM | |
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 @dot This is a rather broad topic. First of all, depends on what drug. And for what reason. I wouldn't call drugs 'a crutch' or a 'pick me up' Sounds like buzz words to me. I'm interested in MDMA so I'll focus on that. For example, yes there are other ways to feel good other than taking some MDMA. But really, what sort of stuff compares? Actually would be interesting to see people's list I suppose it's hard to compare things like that because 'feel good' is subjective. I wouldn't have many things on my list for MDMA but I'd have heaps for say, ketamine. And also there is a culture around MDMA so we can't just talk about MDMA's effect alone. For example, there is taking MDMA at home by yourself, there is taking MDMA with your besties, or there is taking MDMA at a rave.--------- @ArtistInTheAmbulance Quote: A single dose of ecstasy, cocaine, meth or other similar "designer" drugs can kill a person, and I don't think anyone should take that sort of a risk. That is true. However the risk from death due to MDMA itself is very very low. As David Nutt (well known psychopharmacologist) says, eating peanuts is more dangerous. How ever, that is not to say there are other risks associated and the risk from dying due to MDMA's effects (eg pill impurity, overheating, etc) I just wanted to point out it is highly unlikely you will die from one dose of ecstasy. --------- @Reikei Quote: Alcohol is the most physically dangerous drug, tobacco is the most addictive, and yet they are both legal. That is not a reason to legalise everything else, how ever it does put things into perspective for those who think illicit drugs will kill you immediately and you try it once, you're addicted. Quote: Morphine and most pain killers are opiates (basically heroin!). That is why, just like with heroin, they are deadly when mixed with alcohol. Don't forget speed! (ADHD meds) How ever all these things have medicinal uses. They are still controlled drugs, I can't just go into my local pharmacy and grab me some oxy and benzos over the counter. Quote: Weed? Virtually no harm. Only when smoked can it cause health complications. THC is one of the few chemicals of which a human cannot overdose on. The 'schizophrenia' myth IS a myth - schizophrenia is a genetic mental health problem and cannot be 'caused' by drug use (if you bother actually researching it, you'd find that schizophrenics tend to use drugs to escape schizophrenia). Imo weed should replace alcohol as the 'legal intoxicant'. Probably more healthy. And it's not a 'schizophrenia myth'. It's a 'we don't know if it's a cause or an effect'. Well actually I am not sure myself, I have just seen some evidence for both sides of the story. For example, it increasing risk if you are susceptible, as you said schizophrenia causes self medication, etc. There was a paper comparing rates of schizophrenia in countries where weed is legal and where it is not but I can't for the life of me remember where it is and I cbf to look it up. Quote: Ketamine? Doctors use it, so surely we should be able to to. lol! Nurses also use morphine, so by that logical, we should be able to as well. Recreationally. --------- @Meliss Quote: In regards to illicit drugs - I don't really think there is a justifiable reason for using them. Like @dot said, there are o. Justifiable is subject. I think there are plenty of reasons. Some might think there are a few. Also, about this other way to feel good thing. That's also subjective and has different levels. For example, I could win $10, or I could win a million bucks. --------- @Aestival Good post. You know your MDMA. Harm reduction can be employed well with MDMA (eg use once a month, or every two months, make sure to drink the right amount of water, test pills, have people looking out for you, etc) but it is not harmless.
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| #31 :: March 22nd, 2011 @ 6:34 PM | |
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| #32 :: March 22nd, 2011 @ 7:44 PM | |
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From a strictly spiritual-personal standpoint, I disagree with the recreational use of drugs (even alcohol). I will elaborate it AFTER my more unbiased point of view, just for the sake of explaining where I'm coming from. PLEASE don't try to weave it into the debate. If you feel the need to discuss it with me, do it via PM, since it would just turn any debate away from facts and into beliefs.
From a strictly secular, loss-gain perspective, I know it's true that some drugs aren't immediately or even at all "harmful" to the human body. Hailing from a country where drug cartels have waged destructive wars against each other, against the government, and where paramilitary groups who've greatly harmed the civil population, I understand it'd be best to legalize some of these drugs. This would economically weaken these people: black markets exist for everything, of course, but having a legal market running parallel to it would rob it of a healthy amount of its income. Prohibition simply creates cartels. I also know there are medical benefits to some of these drugs. I'm most familiar with the medicinal attributes of marijuana as an antidepressant and analgesic, one that has less negative side effects than more complex, legal drugs, and as such think it should be looked into as medicine. Here ends my unbiased opinion. My dearly held personal beliefs follow. I don't agree with the recreational use of drugs because I think it's rather silly to be employing cigarettes (filled with whatever you prefer), pills, etc. when you don't really need them. By "needing", I don't just mean requiring them to combat viruses, infections or alleviating physical pain, but needing them for emotional disorders, like depression or panic disorders. This is why, despite not coming from a sheltered environment at all, and having seen drug use and abuse, I feel its recreational use is as pointless as drinking cattle blood for the heck of it (which was actually a fad in the late 20s over here: people would go to the local slaughterhouse at night and ask for glasses of blood, without any real ritualistic purpose). And of course this is why I neither drink alcohol nor smoke tobacco. ...POKE! |
| #33 :: March 28th, 2011 @ 3:23 AM | |
| triskadancer Subeta Luva  60 Posts 89 Achievements |
Objective opinion: I feel drug information (for all substances) should be freely available- including positive and negative side effects, both long term and short term. All drugs should be legalized and sold normally, but only if you sign an agreement stating you understand the side effects and your own responsibility for your actions. Finally, the penalties for committing crimes while under the influence of any substances should be MUCH more severe. Though many drugs have serious negative side effects and many can kill you, I believe everyone has the right to do whatever they like to themselves. If some idiot decides that doing crystal meth is a great idea, despite the clear danger and scientific facts, he or she has every right to do meth and ruin themselves. And if they hurt or kill someone, they should be very seriously punished, likely with a lengthy or permanent jail term. If you're too stupid and irresponsible to handle yourself while under the influence, you are a danger to society.
I feel it's unfair and arbitrary that alcohol and tobacco are legal (despite being some of the most dangerous substances in existence) and others like weed are not. For the record, I have never used any type of substance before in my life. It is a personal choice- I don't like feeling like I'm not in control of my body and mind, and I am aware I have an addictive personality and alcoholism in my family, so I have never risked hurting myself with drugs or alcohol. My mother was also an abusive alcoholic, and a best friend of mine became a completely different person after she began smoking weed (though I am aware of the common "it's not addictive" bit, I do believe she over-used it to deal with stress in her life when there are healthier alternatives). However, my personal opinion of drugs is my own, and I don't feel other people should be restricted just because I dislike them. ~neverknowsbest~ ♥ |
| #34 :: March 28th, 2011 @ 9:41 PM | |
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I enjoy drugs as much as I enjoy drinking water. I believe the government needs to stop limiting people, and just legalize crap already. They say its stopping crime to have them illegal? Not at all. If anything, it's making way more. Plus, if they were legal, then people would probably get over the hype of them, and only the people who really like them or are addicted will use them. It's common sense. I mean, meth and things like that, shouldn't be legal. But THC? MDMA? No. It's your body, you should have the right as an American citizen to do what you want to yourself. -------------------------------------------------------------
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| #35 :: April 5th, 2011 @ 10:05 PM | |
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 Generally I dislike them unless they're for medical purposes, mainly because they make people lazy and somewhat retarded while on, if they weren't already... (Alcohol too, haha) Charlie Sheen.... :-P I don't see a problem with lighter ones such as marijuana if people can control themselves, I wouldn't personally, but let them do what they want. I find alcohol a more abusive substance than that certain drug in all honesty. However, if we look at Mexico and their drug wars, we can see that drugs are easily abused. It's an issue I'm torn over.
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| #36 :: April 8th, 2011 @ 11:12 AM | |
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Quote By @Diamond: Generally I dislike them unless they're for medical purposes, mainly because they make people lazy and somewhat retarded while on, if they weren't already... (Alcohol too, haha) I hope you realize that the Mexican drug cartels fight these bloody battles because there is so much money to be made in the drug business. They aren't fighting eachother cause they're coked up. There is so much money to be made because hundreds of thousands of Americans enjoy doing drugs. Mexican cartels fight eachother for the rights of export. If Mexico, or the US, were to legalize the most problem causing drugs (marihuana, coke), there'd be A LOT less gang related violence. There would be much less of an incentive. @MariMoon, what is your opinion on other things people do to enjoy themselves? Eating chocolate? Rock climbing? We do so many things we don't necessarily 'need'. I know this is your opinion, but does is it solely targeted at drugs because that's simply how you feel, or is there logic behind it? Not trying to be an butthead here. @Vivisectress, you're absolutely right. The problem with marihuana and schizophrenia is that it's near impossible to figure out whether people who are more likely to develop schizophrenia later in life are also more likely to smoke weed, or whether people who tend to smoke weed have a higher risk of developing schizophrenia. There is no ethically approved way of figuring this out. Rates of schizophrenia are not significantly higher in countries where the use of marihuana is legal (or decriminalized), but afaik there is a higher instance of it in Western countries as opposed to Asia and Africa. Last Edit by: User not found (1): racist 4/08/11 - 11:15:33 am
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| #37 :: April 10th, 2011 @ 10:46 PM | |
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| #38 :: April 11th, 2011 @ 7:01 PM | |
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| #39 :: May 5th, 2011 @ 5:59 PM | |
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You have a very good argument! I agree with most of what you've written, but I'd like to disagree with you on one part Quote By @KyOkO_SOck:
And yet, there are the people who cannot control themselves with harder drugs unlike you and the people you have met. The prohibition laws that are put into place serve (at least, that is their purpose) to protect other individuals who choose not to do drugs safe from people who choose to do them. Drugs can produce potential negative effects in people, and alter their minds/judgments. (I'm aware that alcohol is a mind-altering drug, and that it can produce aggression/unhealthy side effects; however it is legal and we are discussing illegal here) If drugs were available legally, pure or not, they would be advertised to a wider audience, as you have stated. More people will see it, (because presumably it would be sold in stores like alcohol and tobacco) and be more curious to try it since it is legal and easier to purchase. The more amount of people that see these drugs, the more they will be willing to try. Then again, the kind of people that are attracted to drugs (light and hard) will go and seek it out anyway, regardless if its legal. However I think that if it becomes more available then more people will be curious to try it since it would be legalized and all... Hmm... Also, on a personal level, drugs are very unpleasant... at least for those who know/live with someone who uses them. I believe that someone very close to me is abusing cocaine, a little more often then we'd (my family) like. The drug user is lying about money, and constantly tells us they need to go to work... they're too busy at work, working...blah blah blah... yet they show little income for all the work. We have to hound them to pay rent for the house. They practically live for free in our house. We've also noticed a negative change in their personality. It's very frustrating and upsetting, personally. Which is why I wouldn't let anyone try hard drugs... who knows how they will react? It's sad to see someone's life go to waste because they become extremely hooked on these drugs. They lose their life, their personality, friendships, money, security, etc. Why would you even bother trying and risk knowing you can fall into that trap? Last Edit by:
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| #40 :: July 5th, 2011 @ 11:57 AM | |
| Religion Donated to the Cash Shop  2,883 Posts 282 Achievements |
Bad when they are sold to you by a drug dealer. They are super harmful (and gross) to take and can eventually kill you. I did a whole thing on this in health and the more I knew, the more grossed out I got. Needless to say, I won't be looking for a drug dealer any time in my life. If sold to you by a doctor, it can go either way. If you take them the right way and don't over due it/abuse it, then it can be perfectly safe. However, if you do abuse it because your looking for something to get hooked on/get hooked on it accidentally, it can be bad, and once again, kill you. So drugs can really go either way, but for the most part, I believe that they are really bad for you |
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