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Suicide: Okay or Nay?

#121 :: November 1st, 2011 @ 12:48 AM

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I don't know if you're still following this thread or not -- most things have been stated and re-stated several times.

However no one's mentioned the suicidals who just don't care. Most people's experiences have been with sad, unhappy people who just want to end the pain etc etc., but there are suicidals who aren't in pain, they're bored. They don't want to continue because they don't care. They're not selfish, in the strict sense of the word, because they're apathetic. They aren't in a low point, and their lives may not be horrible, but they don't want to live because they feel life's got nothing to offer. Food isn't good, information is dull, people are dull, the future is dull.

While I'm not suicidal myself (most of the time), someone very close to my heart is, and when they get into a suicidal mood, it seems almost impossible to stop them. Every reason I give for not doing it is met with either 'I hate myself' or 'I don't care', or some variation. It seems really selfish, but I don't think the apathy really allows for it to be considered selfishness. They're not choosing to be apathetic.

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#122 :: November 1st, 2011 @ 11:14 AM

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@: Sounds like you just described someone who is either extremely depressed to the point of having flattened affect, or someone with a severe personality disorder. In either case, I feel that suicide wouldn't be unjustified.

As for the debate -
I don't think of this as a moral/immoral topic. I just think of it as being the individual's choice. When is it okay to commit suicide? When is it ever okay to do anything as profound as this? It's a completely subjective topic, and I don't think it's possible to come to a consensus by any means. I think that if someone kills themselves - they've earned that right. For the most part, only someone who really thinks their life is not worth living is going to go through the effort of researching effective methods and acquiring the materials needed. It's not a choice anyone makes lightly, even if the materials are handed to them.

Last Edit by: Fluorosaur 11/01/11 - 11:14:41 am

#123 :: November 1st, 2011 @ 12:43 PM

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#124 :: November 1st, 2011 @ 3:12 PM

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I do have to say I have slightly mixed feelings about this topic. One of my friends who I used to be really close to tried committing suicide.
They found her and got the medicine out of her before it killed her. Of course I'm happy that they did, I could never wish death on anyone. However, if she'd continued feeling equally or even more miserable, I wouldn't have wanted to put her through living a life she despised or felt was useless.

I think the selfish ones are the family members, really. In most cases, they haven't experienced the same thing the suicidal person has, and they simply can't comprehend what they have to go through and endure on a daily basis. To force that person to live just so they wouldn't have to go through the pain of losing them is pretty selfish to me. Some people, like my friend, can get better after getting help. However, there are people who simply don't get better.

I can see how for example transsexuals could thrift into that incurable depression. Imagine you were, like me, born in a female body.
You're short (5'0ft), and you're all around pretty petite. But what if you're not mentally female? What if you feel like a male in your head?
There's not much I can do about it, because first of all, I'm too young to even consider an operation. I'd have to wait until I move away and get a stable job to afford it. I'd also have to go through maybe even years of psychologist visits.
Secondly, if I told my parents now, I'd risk being rejected or something similar. (Not a good thing when you're still living with them and have no possibilities to move elsewhere.) It's pretty hard to live as a guy without them knowing, while still living with them.

Also, although mtf transgendered people have the wonderful possibility of going through surgeries to make their bodies match their minds, ftm transpeople don't have that. Sure I could take hormones and have some surgery done, but the techniques they have nowadays aren't advanced enough to make me completely male. I'd also still be only 5'0ft, so basically I have no way out of my female body.
I have been depressed over this for a long time. I have to stand living in this body that I feel I don't belong in. Also, I hate how people call things like this only a phase or say it's because I'm young. I've felt this way ever since I was 11 or 12, and it's been increasing to the point of crying and wishing I wasn't even born if I were to be born a female, nearly every single day.

So from that point of view, I really can understand why some people feel there is no other way. If I didn't have such amazing friends and my brother, I'd definitely feel that way too. In fact, had I not met my best friend 3 years ago, we might both be dead by now.

Ugh, this turned out longer than I expected. What I'm trying to basically say is, I don't think suicide is the first option. However, our bodies and our lives are just that; our own. That's why I don't think anyone else should have the right to decide if you live or die. If you feel there is no other way and life just isn't worth it for you, I'm not going to stop you.

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