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1st the illegal lemonade stand now this
| #1 :: April 1st, 2011 @ 4:39 PM | |
 CastlesInTheSkyTongue Wagger    1,995 Posts 747 Achievements  
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I just saw this story on KTLA
First they must shut down the illegal Lemonade stand that the kids made to raise money for donations. Now this "HOA Wants Kids Banned From Playing Outside" www.clickorlando.com Ill side with them with the child who was playing on the power meter and the mother should have told her to get down. Which was said in that story but to make it a rule to Ban "and it would also ban the game of tag, skateboarding, Big Wheels, loud or obnoxious toys on "common property."" Instead of being a bunch of Richards how about you gather up some cash (maybe make a lemonade stand) and build a lil playground for the kids to play in/at in the townhouse community. Or state that no small"er" children can live there. Before you rent out. When I lived in a townhome there was always some sort of play area for children you know like a climbing thing with a slide. & a couple of swings. Is Fla. always this uptight about everything.
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| #2 :: April 1st, 2011 @ 4:42 PM | |
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...banning kids from playing outside? WHAT THE HELL? Tumblr | dA | Art Ping | Art Shop | Pokémon | Art by
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| #3 :: April 1st, 2011 @ 4:45 PM | |
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| #4 :: April 1st, 2011 @ 4:51 PM | |
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| #5 :: April 1st, 2011 @ 4:52 PM | |
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What the actual love?
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| #6 :: April 1st, 2011 @ 4:53 PM | |
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| #7 :: April 1st, 2011 @ 4:54 PM | |
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 Kids shouldn't play in streets, parking lots, driveways and so on. And this is what this is about. Read the article: Quote: "They came in and rented (a home) in a community that does not have a playground and is not conducive to children. Then they expect the children to play in the driveways and parking lot. You wouldn't see them playing the parking lot at Walmart or Kmart, but they come here and turn the children loose," said HOA board member Kim Scott. The people with kids should have moved to a community with a playground instead of moving to an area where their kids have no where to play. Or maybe let them play in their yards. Or take them to a community park. HOAs do some dumb crap but this makes sense. It's a safety issue. Some of these comments make me think you guys didn't even bother to read you just want to hate on HOAs. /insert eyeroll emote Quote By @CastlesInTheSky: Why the love should people that do not have children be expected to pay for a playground for kids? Last Edit by:
JESSYTA 4/01/11 - 4:56:27 pm
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| #8 :: April 1st, 2011 @ 4:55 PM | |
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 Quote: POSTED : Thursday, March 31, 2011 I hoped this would be an April's Fools post, but it seems like it's not. Way to go HOA. Why not forbid children in general? This way your country may die, but at least it will die in silence! edit: Not every family CAN move somewhere where there are enough playgrounds or the like. just to say :/ Last Edit by:
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| #9 :: April 1st, 2011 @ 4:55 PM | |
| shatzy Subeta Elder  10,764 Posts 992 Achievements |
 Quote: They came in and rented (a home) in a community that does not have a playground and is not conducive to children. Then they expect the children to play in the driveways and parking lot. You wouldn't see them playing the parking lot at Walmart or Kmart, but they come here and turn the children loose," said HOA board member Kim Scott i echo this position. it's amazing that people rent from a community and then complain because the community has social expectations. where are all the people complaining about the parents lack of judgment? Edit: ROFL @JESSYTA can i just sign my name under your post next time  Last Edit by:
shatzy 4/01/11 - 4:57:00 pm
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| #10 :: April 1st, 2011 @ 4:57 PM | |
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I wonder how you guys would respond if one of these kids was playing in the street and got hit by a car? You'd probably blame the driver because you lack common sense.
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| #11 :: April 1st, 2011 @ 5:22 PM | |
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There's a lot of issues coming together that end up making this one so stupid. First off no one knows about the family and why they may have had only a few choices for where they could live. If this was the best place for them at the time then it's not surprising that they ended up there. Secondly, if the HOA doesn't want kids to play in the parking lot then put in a playground for the kids to play. If you can't even bother to do that then make it a rule that it's an 18+ older community. You pick one or the other. If you don't then stupid crap like this will happen. I almost want to go into a rant about how American living has brought us down this crapty path but I suppose that's an argument for a different time. All I'll say is that maybe the kids would have someplace to play had they not built nothing but houses and parking lot. Last Edit by:
LadyMissie 4/01/11 - 5:23:31 pm
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| #12 :: April 1st, 2011 @ 5:32 PM | |
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| #13 :: April 1st, 2011 @ 5:34 PM | |
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@JESSYTA Why because they had to make room for more parking lot? Maybe they didn't need to make 50 copy and pasted houses. If you can't find room in your development project to put in a little playground and running room for children so that they don't play with the cars then don't allow children in your housing project.
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| #14 :: April 1st, 2011 @ 5:37 PM | |
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@LadyMissie you do realize how many complexes -- either within a HOA or otherwise -- do not compensate for having children living in their buildings? however if they (property managers, etc) want to reconfigure tenant rules, they are certainly free to do so? i really don't get where you are coming from?
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| #15 :: April 1st, 2011 @ 5:39 PM | |
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@LadyMissie Maybe they didn't need to make 50 houses, but they did. "Finding room" for a park isn't as easy as you seem to think. Communities get approved by the site before they are built, adding a park or playground would require not only open land but also approval and funding. Who do YOU think should fund it? Also not allowing children to live in a community isn't exactly logical either. What are they going to do, force the people that have kids to move? Pfft. Completely illogical. Last Edit by:
JESSYTA 4/01/11 - 5:40:30 pm
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| #16 :: April 1st, 2011 @ 5:40 PM | |
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@shatzy I'm just trying to say that these places should either 1) Allow kids by giving them a place to play or 2) Don't allow kids. What's the problem? @JESSYTA That's why I said "in the development plans." If they don't make any place for children to go and play then what do they expect to happen? Last Edit by:
LadyMissie 4/01/11 - 5:42:01 pm
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| #17 :: April 1st, 2011 @ 5:42 PM | |
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@LadyMissie Why is it the responsibility of a HOA to give children a place to play? Why isn't that the job of the parents? The HOAs probably expect parents to be responsible and ensure that their children have safe places to play. Again, these parents knew where they were moving, they willingly decided to move into a place where there was not a playground. Please explain to me why this is any one other then the parent's fault. Last Edit by:
JESSYTA 4/01/11 - 5:43:36 pm
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| #18 :: April 1st, 2011 @ 5:46 PM | |
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Quote By @LadyMissie: I'm just trying to say that these places should either 1) Allow kids by giving them a place to play or 2) Don't allow kids. What's the problem? i see where you are coming from. i'm just arguing that instilling such a rule may be the lesser of two evils: ie. tenant discrimination
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| #19 :: April 1st, 2011 @ 5:48 PM | |
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 Art by Quote By @LadyMissie: If they don't make any place for children to go and play then what do they expect to happen? It's not the HOA's responsibility to provide entertainment for children. That is a parent's job. :/
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| #20 :: April 1st, 2011 @ 5:52 PM | |
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@JESSYTA Well again none of us know the families reasons for being there. Let's say that was the only place they could afford were the parents are still close to work. If they can't afford anywhere else to go then what would you want them to do? Maybe there was family nearby and they thought that was best but of course family can't be somewhere 24/7 watching the kids either. I don't see why it's so hard for these copy pasted housing developers to choose one option or the other before they start selling off houses to anyone and then dog about them. Quote: If they can not afford any place else to live, again, that is their fault. This is a disgusting view towards the poor. @Klassikal Ok fair enough. I'm going off on the developers of the housing projects though I think the HOA are still Richards about this whole thing because god forbid kids make noise by having fun. Take out one house from the plan, before it's even made in case no one understand what I'm getting at here, and put a slide and swings in. Problem solved. Of course they can't do that because booo they need that extra copy pasted house and 4 extra car ports. Maybe if we built up instead of spreading out we'd have a lot more room for our kids to play in once in a while. Now the kids have to stay inside, play games, get fat, and repeat our problems over again for the next generation. Our future looks Loving SPLENDID. /cranky Forget it. No more replies. Not because I'm angry at any of you. That's not it at all. I'm just getting myself worked up over how Loving stupid we've made this country. love suburbia. Last Edit by:
LadyMissie 4/01/11 - 6:01:58 pm
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| #21 :: April 1st, 2011 @ 5:55 PM | |
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i don't believe anyone accidentally resides at an HOA. HOA's are pretty proud about who they are.
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| #22 :: April 1st, 2011 @ 5:58 PM | |
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@LadyMissie I am not sure why it matters if that is the only place they can live. Like I said in my first post, this is a safety issue. Parents should ensure their children are safe, period. Moving to a place where they have no safe place to play outside is a failure on the parents part. If they can not afford any place else to live, again, that is their fault. And any parent that thinks it's best to allow their children to play in the street is a moron. I don't get your comment about HOAs picking one option or the other... They obviously decided not to have a community park or playground. It's a shame that the parents living there are so irresponsible with regard to their children that a rule has to be made at all... Last Edit by:
JESSYTA 4/01/11 - 5:59:49 pm
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| #23 :: April 1st, 2011 @ 6:38 PM | |
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HOWEVER a parent should be responsible enough to tell their kids what is and is not acceptable. Writing on the sidewalk with chalk or riding your bike around the sidewalk/driveway? good. Climbing on transformer boxes and screaming like banshees? bad. Not that difficult really. Sometimes I feel like I'm the only parent that actually does this. Just because you are outside doesn't mean you have to run around screaming like a Loving crazy person. That bothers people. derp.
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| #24 :: April 1st, 2011 @ 8:12 PM | |
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Quote By @JESSYTA:
Kids shouldn't play in streets, parking lots, driveways and so on. And this is what this is about. Read the article: Why the love are they renting out to families with children, knowing that children play outside? I did read the article after I saw the video of the story thats on that Orlando site on KTLA earlier this afternoon I wasnt disagreeing with the safety issues but the main reason Why this article/story is getting talked about is the rule they want to enforce. They want a mandatory rule where all minor children have adult supervision while playing outside. Ok cool (Like I said im not disagreeing with the safety issue) But then they also want to ban the game of tag, skateboarding, Big Wheels, loud or obnoxious toys on common property Hey Johnny would you like to go outside to play for a bit. Sure dad. 30 min later of well doing nothing but sitting on the front lawn staring @ license plates. .... We cant do anything in this Non Adults only Townhouse community (whatever they are called) . & if you want to argue saying its a failure on the parents part then really the same thing can be said about the HOAs I said in my original post "Or state that no small"er" children can live there. Before you rent out." Its not a hard thing to do, Its not an illegal thing to do. They cant do that though can they? They wont make their quota for the month. But at least they might have the rule that can cost you 100$ a pop each time you break it. I also think comparing townhouse driveways/parking which have speed bumps installed is a hella a lot different than WalMart.
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| #25 :: April 1st, 2011 @ 10:11 PM | |
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i can't speak for JESSYTA but i'd like to reply my own opinion here.....Quote By @CastlesInTheSky: Why the love are they renting out to families with children, knowing that children play outside?a landlord doesn't rent to families knowing that children play outside. a landlord rents to adults who happen to be parents. this is a significant difference in perspective, especially from a legal point of view, imo. your (and other's) arguments is the equivalent to saying: why would a landlord rent to a dog owner knowing dogs like to chew on things/bark/dig/etc? the fact that the tenants own dogs is one thing. the fact that the tenants own dogs and are irresponsible dog owners that allow the dogs to chew/bark/dig is entirely another. that's the significant point i was trying to drive home earlier. Quote By CastlesInTheSky: But then they also want to ban the game of tag, skateboarding, Big Wheels, loud or obnoxious toys on common property i think there are two things being argued on behalf of the HOA: 1) loud, obnoxious kids 2) lack of decent parental supervision clearly if the HOA built a playground, the children could be conveniently corralled without as much parental supervision (#2) but the noise and obnoxious issue would remain (#1). many users in this thread argue that this is a decent solution. if it is ok for ONE of the two issues to be resolved, so too can it be argued that the opposite solution is just as effective: kids playing quietly in their own yards and not on the street/communal areas. there are plenty of quiet activities for kids to participate in the community. to argue that kids have to skateboard, big wheel and other loud, agreeably obnoxious games/toys is the ONLY quality kid fun-time doesn't make much sense to me. Quote By CastlesintheSky: & if you want to argue saying its a failure on the parents part then really the same thing can be said about the HOAs it has nothing to do with quotas and/or money to the HOA. as already pointed earlier in this thread, you can't discriminate a potential tenant for such reasons. the BEST you can do is to make it less than desirable for families to live there by slapping irresponsible parents with fines every time they want to slack off on their parental duties. what you fail to understand is that HOAs and POAs exist to sculpt their communities to their liking. they own the property, they can determine how their community is defined WITHOUT breaking discrimination laws. this includes how many cars you can park in your driveway, how long you can run the sprinkler in your yard, how the landscaping on your property looks, etc etc etc. again, i make the claim that NO ONE accidentally resides in a HOA development. you don't just rent or buy property from a HOA/POA without going through the rules and regulations process. anyone living in a HOA and claims not to know they were so strict is a liar, period.
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| #26 :: April 2nd, 2011 @ 3:29 AM | |
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 Glad I didn't live in an HOA controlled overcrowded-no-space-for-yards-or-playgrounds community when I was little. I would have lost my mind not being able to play outside(no way my mother would have let me play in the parking lot like the parents in the story).
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| #27 :: April 3rd, 2011 @ 1:21 PM | |
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I'm not sure if this is a "gated community" but if it is, the lemonade stand thing kinda makes sense. My family has lived in a gated community with a strict HOA and it states that you aren't allowed to have Garage Sales or Businesses from home that require people coming in through the gate throughout the day. While I can understand the frustration surrounding the fact that the lemonade stand was for a good cause, it's still considered a business because it's still making money no matter where the profits are supposed to go. If the rule is there then nobody should get slack and be able to get around it. Also, on the topic of the new rules regarding children to play outside, the HOA does not have to cater to every group's needs. It was very clear to the parents when they moved in that their children wouldn't have a backyard or driveway to play in, and the option that parents took was to allow their children to play in the parking lots outside the town homes. It's a safety hazard to both the children and people driving. I can't tell you how many times I've been driving through my boyfriend's apartment complex both at night and during the day and a child on a bicycle or scooter with dart out from behind a car and just ride across the road without and glance at the street to see if it's safe. I've seen a little girl of about 4 almost get hit by a car because her ball rolled out into the street and her parent was nowhere in sight. Children (at least I feel this way) have a tendency to be less cautious than adults. They do things without thinking because they're just having fun and playing and couple that with no parental supervision and a unsafe play area and you have an accident waiting to happen. There will always be the parents who are responsible with their children who get dragged into this, but, the way I see it, is that there's going to be some way to get their children outside to play. I'm sure that their children have friends and there could be some kind of playgroup at a local park arranged a couple of days a week. If a parent works, then another parent they trust may be able to take the child to the playgroup. I guess I just don't feel like the HOA is doing this just to be Richards, I think they're doing it to benefit the community as a whole. Honestly, if the parents don't like the new rules then they can move somewhere else when the lease/rent on their town home is up.
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| #28 :: April 4th, 2011 @ 12:05 PM | |
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The houses lacking a yard doesn't mean the kids should play out in the street. If anything it means the parents should have continued looking for a better place to live with their young children. Quote By @CastlesInTheSky: Why the love are they renting out to families with children, knowing that children play outside? Because those families choose to apply to live there. Just because you say someone can rent a home in your community doesn't mean you are saying the children they have can play in the street. That's just illogical. Quote: But then they also want to ban the game of tag, skateboarding, Big Wheels, loud or obnoxious toys on common property If tag is being played in the street or in driveways, I can see why they would want to ban it. Children that are playing tag dart around without much forewarning as to where they are going. Children playing tag in a driveway may run into the street in front of a car. It's a safety issue and understandable to ban it. Skateboarding and big wheeling on sidewalks can be bothersome for people that need to use a wheelchair or push a stroller down the sidewalk. And if they aren't doing it on the sidewalk where are they doing it, the street? If so again, safety issue. Banning "loud or obnoxious toys on common property" makes total sense. There are already laws regarding how loud people can be, and obnoxious toys are, by definition, obnoxious. I am really not seeing why its bad to ban these... Quote: & if you want to argue saying its a failure on the parents part then really the same thing can be said about the HOAs The job of the HOA has nothing to do with providing a place for people's kids to play. And actually, it IS illegal. xD
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| #29 :: April 4th, 2011 @ 1:18 PM | |
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I'm glad that they're trying to get it banned. Children, of any age, have no business playing in the street or in a parking lot. It isn't safe. This shouldn't HAVE to be an issue. Parents should be watching their children and providing a SAFE place for them to play. A parking lot is NOT a SAFE area to play. Everyone wants to blame everyone else when it's the PARENTS of the children who are to blame. 
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| #30 :: April 4th, 2011 @ 1:26 PM | |
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 Whuuut? That sounds terrible. I spent my childhood running around outside with the boys across the street. It was a blast. c; Art by |
| #31 :: April 6th, 2011 @ 4:04 PM | |
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@CastlesInTheSky Do any of these HOA people actually have kids? If they do, I bet they're locked in their nice, barren padded rooms all day. =/ I spent my days as a kid playing in the street, running around outside. But then again, our parents watched us and made sure we got into the yard whenever a car went by. I have to agree though, that some people need to teach their kids not to act stupid in places like main roads, parking lots, etc. A crowded parking lot is NOT the place for a game of tag. If I ever ran in a parking lot, my mother would whack my behind. But to go so far as to ban the game? Seriously people? Last Edit by:
nightlight 4/06/11 - 4:06:09 pm
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| #32 :: April 6th, 2011 @ 8:03 PM | |
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Lol. I don't get why everyone is like, "MEAN HOA! BOOO!" Children should NEVER be left to play in the streets, in parking lots, or on power meters. What the heck is wrong with these parents? Especially the one who said her kid can do whatever she wants. Wtf. That woman should have her children taken away from her because what she technically did is child neglect and endangerment. I mean is this community have an abundance of lazy parents? I actually feel bad for the rest of the neighbors that don't have kids or that actually pay attention to their child.    
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| #33 :: April 6th, 2011 @ 9:23 PM | |
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Quote By @CastlesInTheSky:
I just saw this story on KTLA awwwww, come on. Why would a lemonade stand be this illegal!?
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| #34 :: April 7th, 2011 @ 6:52 PM | |
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 And the obesity in America shall once again rise and rise. There's growing to be less and less places kids can play, it's kind of sad I feel. If kids can't be kids, what does that say about the society?
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| #35 :: April 7th, 2011 @ 8:18 PM | |
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Quote By @CastlesInTheSky:
Better question -- why do families with children CHOOSE to live there, knowing that their children have no place to play? It's not the landowner's problem to babysit the parents to make sure they don't make bad decisions for their kids. And yes, maybe the families have no other place to live, but if you banned kids, wouldn't they just be homeless anyway? "And you bleed just to know you're alive..." |
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