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#401 :: February 23rd, 2012 @ 6:33 PM
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do you have a slot for the Long Blonde Slick-Back Hair and your badge of honor for me, please?


#402 :: February 23rd, 2012 @ 6:33 PM
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#403 :: February 23rd, 2012 @ 6:40 PM
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The hair I can do (I'd like to note that the art is old, I intend to redraw it, but since I like the overall concept it shouldn't change too much, anyone signed up for it will be pinged about it of course).
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#404 :: February 23rd, 2012 @ 6:42 PM
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#405 :: February 24th, 2012 @ 6:00 PM
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I'm sure most of you know about the problem I was facing with the Komodo. Before attempting to redraw the entire back end to make it look right in the eyes of the Subetan artists, I'm going to attempt to resubmit with this alongside:

If this fails I will redraw the back legs into a position that should work, if it doesn't =| well I'm going to be pretty annoyed because I can't see how else the legs could go.

Conversation with mbif if anyone is interested:
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I have been trying to submit a new CW, but it has been denied on anatomy. Apparently a leg is missing that should be visible.
But I and my buyers all disagree, the leg in question would be behind the HA, and I can't think of a way to draw in the leg without upsetting the image as a whole, and, most likely, putting off a number of my buyers, who have been very specific as to what they want, supplying me with a number of good references and critiques.

THIS is the item in question with the leg in question sketched in over the top.

Is there any way at all that I can debate this denial? As at the moment I feel stuck between a rock and a hard place.

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Hello, Shalashaska, and thanks for writing in. Typically, it's best to comply with the rejection notice; the creative department is staffed by experienced anatomy experts and if they believe that a leg should be visible, it's likely that they're seeing something with the current anatomy that is incorrect. The recommendation is typically to consult with other experienced CW uploaders in the CW Discussion forum for suggestions on how to best comply.

You're welcome to try resubmitting the CW with your explanation of how you're viewing it, and the reference image you linked here in your ticket -- so the creative department and other staffers can better understand what you're intending the hind anatomy to be -- but if you do so, please understand that you may be rejected again and still be expected to change the anatomy or the CW itself so that the fourth leg is visible.

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#406 :: February 24th, 2012 @ 6:02 PM
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I think it's a good plan - hopefully they'll see what you're getting at, because I honestly can't see how you could make that other hind leg visible while keeping the komodo in the same position o_O




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#407 :: February 24th, 2012 @ 6:07 PM
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"anatomy experts" huh? *ACHOO!* Then explain that disaster with the Darkonite, Tigrean and other species they've had to redraw over the years. e_e (Don't even get me STARTED on these deformed, midget children they call HA's.)

Resubmit the Komodo with the ref-image and explanation. If they reject it again, then it's just them taking your "backtalk" personally.

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#408 :: February 24th, 2012 @ 6:11 PM
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Yeah, I can't say I don't feel a little slighted =|
Because it's obvious I've never put any attempt into studying anatomy to any extent, and I totally didn't reference both Komodo Dragon live and skeleton photos to draw this. Nope.
But I'm too tired to hold a grudge today =_=
I'm hoping that if it IS denied again, I'll be given some more ideas on what I can do.
Worst case scenario...
It's denied on different grounds, I fix the new issues and then the anatomy gets picked up on again =|


#409 :: February 24th, 2012 @ 6:12 PM
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I have to totally agree with Obsidiana. There just is no where to place the fourth leg without disrupting the whole position.
The only other thing I can remotely suggest is to try putting just a small portion of the Dragons heel or leg aside of the HAs left leg.
Just enough to give a hint of the hind leg. That may not even work. Only a suggestion..






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#410 :: February 24th, 2012 @ 6:15 PM
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I did think of that =S but then it's just... a small triangular bit of darkness next to the HA's leg, it's too small to properly show up as a bit of 'leg', I was really hoping to get around it like that.
When this got turned down I first thought that maybe the leg should be showing up between the HA's legs, but that is all blocked by the animal's head and leg =X
I will say that mbif was very sympathetic later in our convo' I wonder if maybe she couldn't see the problem either


#411 :: February 24th, 2012 @ 6:16 PM
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I have the CSC for your item, but I'm waiting to get credited CSC I purchased over a day ago. Paypal made the payment and the amount was taken from my bank account, but no CSC on Subeta. D= I wrote up a ticket for it and I have extra CSC, but I want to wait for this to get taken care of before I pay for any purchases. I don't want any mix ups. Can you give me another day to figure out this out with Subeta? If it takes longer than that to get everything credited, I'll give up my slot, because I don't want to hold up other people.

Hopefully, it'll get taken care of tonight, though. =/ Like I said, I have the CSC, but I'm nervous about making a payment to anything before this gets solved, y'know? Could you work with me for a day more on this?


#412 :: February 24th, 2012 @ 6:20 PM
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Personally, I was unaware that an expert on the anatomy of all things was on staff. How fortunate for us Too bad they invest all that knowledge in CWs and not necessarily site art.

Snark aside, fingers crossed! Hopefully they will approve, with the position explained.


#413 :: February 24th, 2012 @ 6:21 PM
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It's okay, I had someone else with the same problem, good luck getting it sorted =3 I'll wait.


#414 :: February 24th, 2012 @ 6:24 PM
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Thanks. I got a response from the subeta help team really quickly and I just sent my transaction ID and all that stuff up, so hopefully it gets sorted out quickly here. Thanks for your patience! <3 Much appreciated! I just didn't want you to think I was trying to give you the shaft. ; Still interested, just waiting for things to get taken care of.


#415 :: February 24th, 2012 @ 6:25 PM
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Yes, between the legs IS the place it should be but since the head and leg are there the "EXPERTS" should realize that the leg shouldn't show at all.
Where else are they expecting you to put it and have it look realistic? In my minds eye I envision the leg exactly where it should be. (not visible) It's common sense.
Well, I think it's perfect the way it is and I'm sure one of the "Anatomy Experts" will have to see what you're talking about and agree with you.






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#416 :: February 24th, 2012 @ 6:35 PM
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Go go go! I will be keeping my fingers crossed for it getting assigned to someone else than our anatomy expert this time. For totally objective reasons of course.

I have to repeat that the more I learn about the process of accepting CWs the more mystified I get. Some of the items in the accepted-denied thread I would've really wanted in denied form but never in accepted



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#417 :: February 24th, 2012 @ 6:41 PM
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You and me both... I need the CSC coming back in XD

That whispy hair was amazing, but the accepted version... the 'whisps' of hair didn't look whispy any more, more like strands of tar ^^; such a shame.
And I can't believe the items turned down for being too cartoony/silly.
The quality of the art was fine but it had a silly face... WTF? I can't get over that.


#418 :: February 24th, 2012 @ 6:49 PM
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You have paid 600 CSC.

In my opinion, that extra image you have there should explain everything. I'll keep my fingers crossed that it gets accepted this time. Hopefully the whole thing won't need redoing


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Quote By @Shalashaska:
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Yeah, I can't say I don't feel a little slighted =|
Because it's obvious I've never put any attempt into studying anatomy to any extent, and I totally didn't reference both Komodo Dragon live and skeleton photos to draw this. Nope.
But I'm too tired to hold a grudge today =_=
I'm hoping that if it IS denied again, I'll be given some more ideas on what I can do.
Worst case scenario...
It's denied on different grounds, I fix the new issues and then the anatomy gets picked up on again =|
Aww, *hugs* I think if they pull that BS, then you can go straight to Debilee or Keith with a formal staff complaint because it will be more than obvious at that point that whomever keeps rejecting you, is doing it for reasons not stated in the rejection letter.

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Personally, I was unaware that an expert on the anatomy of all things was on staff. How fortunate for us Too bad they invest all that knowledge in CWs and not necessarily site art.

Snark aside, fingers crossed! Hopefully they will approve, with the position explained.
Heh, good one.


#420 :: February 24th, 2012 @ 6:56 PM
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I'm kind of tempted to submit one with a random leg floating in the bg, but I'm scared they'd let it through in retaliation and we'd all be stuck with random lizard legs XD

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I certainly hope so =S I don't see how it can be argued, the skeleton of the animal and it's walking pattern kind of demands the leg be where I've hidden it..


#421 :: February 24th, 2012 @ 6:58 PM
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So I wouldn't really mind CSC staying with me AND Komodo magically turning up on my account but... XD

Yes, that wig was actually what I meant back when I said I have doubts about some items. And Yang's wings, the lineart looks so...jagged, it just jumps out at me, idk.



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#422 :: February 24th, 2012 @ 7:04 PM
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Yeah, I love the concept of Yang's wings, but the execution kind of makes me wince, it doesn't fit in with Subeta items, they can't do, since everytime I see them they jump out a me, and not because I find them stunningly beautiful, I find them overly simplified for skeletal-based birdwings =S
*sigh* idk what's going on anymore, I'm mystified, so much of it comes down to luck of the draw as to what artist/other looks at your work as it goes through.


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Oh, I guess I see. For example if they are really skeletal then where is the ulna (I shall forever deny googling this, I pull the 'second language' card) and how are the feathers attached anyway. And what are the bones that I'd say belong to index finger doing in that position anyway.
But on positioning alone I'd still consider them among the best full-sized wings on here, official or not. =x

I have a feeling that some of these may go through purely on further mods' unwillingness to undermine their predecessors decisions. If a CW artist tweaks the image four time in a row for too thin lineart it may end up too thick and still get waved through the fifth time.



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#424 :: February 24th, 2012 @ 7:52 PM
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I know what you mean, sweetie. That would be terrible to be stuck with something you don't like.
I agree with NoirRaven, Maybe you should go up higher for approval.. Sometimes you have a better chance
especially if you feel you're being treated unfairly.
I wish you all the luck in trying to get them to use their own common sense on this one.
I'll be hanging in there with you.






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#425 :: February 24th, 2012 @ 9:02 PM
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How did I not guess it was you? I've been hunting for the maker of the Oppertunistic Cat Photograph and Occupied Branch.
Can you put me on the waitlist for both please?


#426 :: February 24th, 2012 @ 10:21 PM
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can i have a slot for Buaya Darat Skull please?


#427 :: February 25th, 2012 @ 7:33 AM
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I wouldn't even know how to make a formal complaint like that xD
Besides I'll accept that I'm no expert, I'll never claim to me as I've never made a formal study of all things anatomical, so it's possible I really am missing something here... still if nothing gets elaborated on, presuming another denial, I might go else where for direction, be that more artists or the powers that be.

@Sapphira
Yes, their pose IS very good. Getting wings to fit into the HA box is one of the main reasons I've not looked into it, and probably the only thing stopping me from rising to the non-existent challenge and trying to draw my own skeletal bird wings XD I want some gosh darn it.

You maybe right, I've seen some CWs with lineart far too thick for the image in question, after being denied for line thinness, maybe they don't have a digital-version of a micrometer so they just have to guess thicknesses XD I hope all our criticizers were good glasses then because they're picking up on some weird and tiny stuff.

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Cheers ^^ I don't intend to drop this 'n' so sooner or later one way or another I will get it accepted.

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I think spotted cats are going to end up a specialty at this rate, I'm already working on a snow leopard gryphon XD maybe I should do a cheetah one day...
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Spotted cats are amazing... mainly snow leopard stuff. Are you trying to make me broke?
It seems I shall be stalking this topic. A lot.


#429 :: February 25th, 2012 @ 10:21 AM
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No, you're not. :| Please don't let their insanity cloud your judgement. You're one of the best CW makers I've seen and I wish the artists would take cues from your work. You're really good and they're nuts if they can think you can fit a back leg in there. You really can't.


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Grats on getting the Komodo Dragon accepted

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#432 :: February 25th, 2012 @ 4:52 PM
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Thank you =D I'm so happy!
I'll leave it a bit longer, I just made a bragging board so maybe others will be interested P= if not I'll ping you.


#433 :: February 25th, 2012 @ 4:55 PM
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#434 :: February 25th, 2012 @ 5:05 PM
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Waiting on CSC payments from you two, can I have an update on why or a payment by Monday night (before 5pm Subeta time) or I'll have to switch you with someone on the waiting list =<


#435 :: February 25th, 2012 @ 5:08 PM
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I will not be able to get the CSC in time. :c
(I rely mostly on my own CW to get CSC, and it's been moving pretty slowly as of late.)





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#436 :: February 25th, 2012 @ 5:09 PM
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Whew! I love my Komodo :3 So glad it got accepted.
Thank you so much!


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#437 :: February 25th, 2012 @ 5:11 PM
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I know that feeling =| I'm in the same boat, sorry to hear that but I'll leave you on the waiting list.

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I'd say no problem but shesh this one had me worried for a moment there XD I'm glad you're happy, it looks great with you HA.

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#438 :: February 25th, 2012 @ 5:13 PM
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I saw the message and thought it had been rejected again until I read it a couple more times x)

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#439 :: February 25th, 2012 @ 5:16 PM
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Yeah I saw the name and was all "aw sh-" then saw the CSC has been added to your on hand amount message and my face went from ={ to =D


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I'll take one of the slots for the Komodo please. I've resist this gorgeous lizard for long enough.