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God and Love... I have some questions
| #1 :: April 4th, 2012 @ 5:44 PM | |
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I want you here. o-o Okay so heres the backstory, I dont believe in god. I do believe I am in love with a guy I think is amazing... My friend... Lets call her... Lets call her Hannah... So Hannah says that believing in God is the only way to be in love and that Believing in God is the only way in general. I dont think so. I myself am Wiccan. I think it is perfectly fine! I believe I am in love! Your thoughts? Do you think God exists..? Do you think believing in God and Christianity is the only way? Do you think I can be in love if I dont believe in God? Thanks!(: #PcJunkies Can I have ya'lls opinions too? Doesnt seem like an active Forum ---------------------------------------------- Can I have a hug... ------------------------------------------------------------ If I love you forever? Last Edit by:
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| #2 :: April 4th, 2012 @ 6:16 PM | |
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 i don't think God has to exist to be in love, since love is a human emotion, and especially not the Christian God specifically. i think there are probably some atheists wicked pissed at that statement as well as a slew of other religions. oh, but they aren't right so like omg whatever.i mean the greeks didn't believe in one god and yet believed in the many forms of love (interesting anecdote: i even went to a wedding once where the minister incorrectly used agape, it was pretty hilarious). we Christians actually took said word and used it to describe the love one has for God or Christ, so lulz about that. just look up the definition of love on wiki for your bible-thumping friend. she's wrong. God need not be involved. not even in agape if you are using the greek definition. but you know, psychology and greek philosophy like omg is wrong :| Last Edit by:
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| #3 :: April 4th, 2012 @ 6:32 PM | |
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I believe Hannah is speaking of a different type of love than the love you have for the man in your life. The way most Christians describe love is from 1 Corinthians 13:4-7 Love is patient, love is kind. It does not envy, it does not boast, it is not proud. It does not dishonor others, it is not selfseeking, it is not easily angered, it keeps no records of wrongs. Love does not delight in evil but rejoices with the truth. It always protects, always trusts, always hopes, always perseveres.
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| #4 :: April 5th, 2012 @ 2:52 PM | |
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| #5 :: April 5th, 2012 @ 3:08 PM | |
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how the hell is this a debate? resrey@turntable.fm fan me brah |
| #6 :: April 5th, 2012 @ 3:30 PM | |
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......... Okay. I'm a deist, and I've been around a LOT of christians, but I can honestly say that is one of the stupidest things I've ever heard to come out of the mouth of a christian. And as most of the 'christians' I met were fundamentalist imbeciles, that's saying a lot.
Listen, I don't care what you believe, but stop trying to shove Yhvh up the wazoo of everything ever to try and improperly justify christianity's "superiority". I don't think the poor guy appreciates being used as an anal dildo. 
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| #7 :: April 5th, 2012 @ 7:39 PM | |
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I put it under religion /shrugs I just wanted other opinions lol ---------------------------------------------- Can I have a hug... ------------------------------------------------------------ If I love you forever?
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| #8 :: April 5th, 2012 @ 8:15 PM | |
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Personally, I don't think love has anything to do with religion because people of all faiths can love. Your friend may feel that way, but that is her opinion. Whether or not you feel that it applies to you and is true about your relationship is entirely up to you
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| #9 :: April 5th, 2012 @ 8:39 PM | |
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No. You don't have to believe in some god to be in love. I don't believe in God and I am in love with someone.
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| #10 :: April 5th, 2012 @ 9:04 PM | |
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o_o I say religion has nothing to do with love either. I'm Wiccan, my boyfriend's Christian, we love each other very much. Some Christians tend to say that you must love God more than you do another human being, that's the only thing I can really guess that your friend was trying to say. And maybe in a backwards way, she was saying not that it's impossible for you to love some one without believing in God, but that you CAN'T (almost like it's against the laws of nature) love some one without first believing and putting God first... If that makes any sense.
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| #11 :: April 5th, 2012 @ 10:40 PM | |
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| #12 :: April 6th, 2012 @ 2:48 AM | |
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 @Caligo:O a Deist! I swear we're rarer than FSM followers XD well, I'm not your mainstream Deist (is that even possible? eh, at least I don't follow any of the main branches or agree with a bunch of stuff on the wiki/internet pages), but I'm not ready to define "God "as even a being or having sentience, so I can't swallow the "God loves you" stuff. I like how some Christians like to say "love is all-powerful, love rules over all" stuff but then turn around and say the only real "love" in the world is love for the Lord. What... so love doesn't rule over or above//supercede the Christian God? odd. I also think this should be moved to chitchat as we aren't debating the validity of the statement that it's not real love if God isn't in your heart/involved. Um... I don't need God to know when I'm in love--which is totally different from flings, crushes, simple "likes" btw--kthanks. I don't think I know anybody so adamant in beliefs that humans can't love each other if God isn't part of their relationship. It's the funniest thing, how some Christians view God as friend/protector/father/sentient person-being in a bundle, and then consider marriage a bond between a man, woman and God. I don't know about you, but that's pretty creepy to me. God watching you procreate; spirituality and holiness emanating from your very threesome relationship. eeech. creepy.
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| #13 :: April 6th, 2012 @ 2:51 AM | |
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God must exist for love to exist? WTF?
I mean yes, I am "Christian" and yes, I do believe in a god.... but that explanation makes absolutely NO SENSE to me.
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| #14 :: April 6th, 2012 @ 5:02 AM | |
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 I do not believe in the existence of any form of deity, whatsoever. There's no logical basis for the belief as far as I'm concerned. It's all based off of a pretty story in my mind. Granted, I don't even qualify the bible as being entirely pretty. I find a lot of what I've read rather horrific. Not to mention, what in the hell do you take metaphorically versus literally? Talk about a headache. This pertains to the first question, I sure don't think Christianity, a god, or any religion as being the way. How can something be the way if it is unproven? Logically, again, this makes no sense to me. Love and being in love doesn't require all that much in my perspective. You can have it simply because of shared blood, family and all that, and sometimes family members are utterly revolting creatures. People love them nonetheless, in many cases. I describe love as being unconditional, though I otherwise don't have a firm definition. Being in love can come easily or come with difficulty. Some people are naturally prone to falling easily, and I think that has nothing to do with anything except themselves, their experiences, and such. Love is not defined by any deity; it has been defined by humans. Further, it is defined differently in different societies. If a god governed it, I would expect the definition to be solidified and completely universal. But then again, that's just my perspective on it. @ Lastly, I harbor no ill for anyone who thinks differently. I have a REALLY bad way of sounding convicting when I type, so I apologize to anyone who might have read my words as such!
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| #15 :: April 6th, 2012 @ 7:31 AM | |
| Tilcara is a Sun-Worshipper  1,928 Posts 624 Achievements |
@ That question sounds a bit trolly but for the sake of debating I'll go for an explanation hoping it's not too far-fetched. I think your friend learned about Saint Augustine and didn't understand his thought correctly. Saint Augustine has very interesting views (from a philosophical and theological point of view) and it would be sad to ditch his thoughts simply because one doesn't believe in God and he is a theologian. When talking about Love, he makes the difference between love of oneself and love of God. He thinks love of God is the only fair and genuine love BECAUSE it doesn't alter one's being but raise it, because that love is selflessness, charity and totally free from material things and sensuality. It's love from the soul, love with a big L if you see what I mean. It's a totally logical view as when one loves God they can't feel lust, jealousy and all these things that can be downsides of a love relationship with a human being. BUT it has absolutely nothing to do with not being able to love another person, because he also says love of God cannot exist without loving ones neighbour. And he himself loved some women, he even had a son ^^ It just isn't on the same plane. So if I'm right, your friend Hannah just totally misunderstood Saint Augustine and it's a bit sad. Funny thing : One of the most well-known essays on Saint Augustine and love was written by... Hannah Arendt. If that isn't a funny coincidence ! (now with all that love I need to listen to this song)
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| #16 :: April 6th, 2012 @ 1:45 PM | |
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Who crapped in your cornflakes? lol ---------------------------------------------- Can I have a hug... ------------------------------------------------------------ If I love you forever?
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| #17 :: April 6th, 2012 @ 5:02 PM | |
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This is pretty much the same as a religious person saying that atheists and non-believers are all amoral, potential serial killers.
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| #18 :: April 6th, 2012 @ 6:06 PM | |
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I just believe in a energy that create all the things in the universe in equality, 'cause this we have the antimatter. I think god is just a personification of this energy, spread in a wrong way through generations, and actually we have the creative energy with human characteristics called god.
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| #19 :: April 6th, 2012 @ 6:36 PM | |
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Ive had that happen before haha I was sitting in class and behind me this guy was saying that anyone who didnt believe in God is a Satan follower and a whole bunch of stuff and I turned around and said "What were you saying?" and he said "You dont believe in God do you?" and I said "No???" and he just said "Oh." ---------------------------------------------- Can I have a hug... ------------------------------------------------------------ If I love you forever?
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| #20 :: April 8th, 2012 @ 5:00 AM | |
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Is the point of this topic making fun of extremist believers or to having a debate ?
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| #21 :: April 12th, 2012 @ 2:58 PM | |
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| #22 :: July 11th, 2012 @ 5:23 AM | |
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I confess that I have not read everyone's posts. I'm only here to answer Caybear's question:
"Your thoughts? Do you think God exists..? Do you think believing in God and Christianity is the only way? Do you think I can be in love if I dont believe in God?" 1) Yes, I believe that God exists. But I don't think the importance lies in whether He exists, however. If I ask, "Do unicorns exist?", most people would simply chuckle a little and say no, or they'd be sarcastic and say yes. But why is it that we're so ready to deny the existence of unicorns, yet some of us feel so challenged by the equally simple question - "Does God exist?" It is because most of us have figured out that, even if unicorns DO exist, they probably wouldn't be the answer to life, the universe, and everything, though their unexpected existence might LEAD us to life's answer. There's always an implication to the "does God exist" question. I can't say exactly what the hidden message is, but I've found it to be something the lines of: "If such a being known as God exists, do you believe He provides an answer -- or even IS the answer -- to our own existence and the world we live in?" If this is the question, my answer is still yes. 2) I'm taking your second question literally. I don't know what you meant by "believing in God and Christianity." Christianity - the sects, doctrines, practices, rituals, ceremonies, etc. - these are all man-made. Through the course of my life, I've discovered that trusting entirely in everything man does isn't usually the best thing to do because it's unreliable for finding some sort of truth to this world (or in Kierkegaard's case, "a truth that is true for me"). "Believing in God" - if I simply believe in His existence, it most certainly would not be "the only way" to life. Why? Because believing solely that He exists somewhere doesn't help me in life at all. Let's say God were to exist. Cereal also exists. I believe in cereal. Besides giving me nourishment, it really wouldn't get me anywhere else in life, as I've found out. Same with God. What use is it to "believe" in something simply because it exists? I don't "believe in" evil. I abhor evil. Yet evil exists. So to answer your question: I do not think believing in God and Christianity is the only way. However, I believe in Him who said these words, and He has brought me so much more in life: "I am THE WAY, the truth, and the life." He is the only way. 3) Yes, you can be "in love" without believing in God. However, our understanding of love is very limited in this case because there can be many interpretations that seem convincing and correct. Eros, phileo, etc. Whatever the Greeks and we called and continue to call them. Now if the question were: "Can I indeed find true love, a specific love that is applicable to all of mankind, not just myself? And if so, can this love sustain itself, or even exist, without God?", my answer is no, simply because God is Love, and everything He does springs forth from His Love. "We love Him because He first loved us." I love because He loved me first.
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| #23 :: July 11th, 2012 @ 6:58 AM | |
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I don't think non Christians who are in love care what Christians think about their love. So why does it matter
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