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I do not like the change on blocking.
| #41 :: May 9th, 2012 @ 8:52 PM | |
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@Tche I was writing that before your most recent post and didn't refresh! Oh gosh that looks rude now. xD SORRY.
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| #42 :: May 9th, 2012 @ 8:53 PM | |
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 Quote By Patience:
I kinda agree with this too. I love the idea of blocks being silent, but the rules on "warning for harassment" here make it a little harder... Once, a "friend" had typed an angry comment to me, and I was replying to it, first time actually, when ON THE MIDDLE OF MY TYPING I saw the event bubble popping up saying she had blocked me. So I closed my comment window and knew she just didn't want to listen to me - but according to everyone else, if I had hit "send" on my comment it would have gone through, but it could've been considered harassment. I also heard people complaining that, when they blocked people, these people could see it and still mail them stuff like "waa waa why did you block me !!!111", and I'd actually like to make sure it's not happening anymore... Art by |
| #43 :: May 9th, 2012 @ 8:54 PM | |
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  in the end, i would never lie @bean Oh no, I didn't read it as rude at all, as I said, I might have been really unclear! 
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| #44 :: May 9th, 2012 @ 8:55 PM | |
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//was not mine to take Last Edit by:
mbif 5/09/12 - 8:56:14 pm
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| #45 :: May 9th, 2012 @ 8:56 PM | |
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@mbifEven if it's literally one second after they blocked you? (I hope so!) Art by |
| #46 :: May 9th, 2012 @ 8:57 PM | |
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//was not mine to take Last Edit by:
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| #47 :: May 9th, 2012 @ 8:58 PM | |
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 @mbifOh, awesome xD I do feel safer now, because I comment people all the time~ thank you! Art by |
| #48 :: May 9th, 2012 @ 8:58 PM | |
| grelca The Royal Administrator  5,884 Posts 989 Achievements |
@Tche But Gypsy telling you what I said does not make the situation one of me harassing you! My saying something to you does not circumvent the blcoking system if you cannot see it without a third party being involved. Now if I solicited Gypsy's help to be like LOL GO TELL TCHE WHAT I SAID I THINK SHE MUST'VE MISSED IT, that would be harassment. If you asked Gypsy if I'd said anything about you (or got her to quote a post of mine so you could see it), that would probably be block evasion (on YOUR part, not mine). If Gypsy was just being a kind soul and saw me being a douche and told you about it, I still don't see how anyone has done anything technically wrong. Last Edit by:
grelca 5/09/12 - 9:00:52 pm
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| #49 :: May 9th, 2012 @ 9:02 PM | |
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in the end, i would never lie @grelca Quote:
Gypsy is telling me about you cimcumventing the block I imposed on you. You're attempting to get in contact with me, despite me having blocked you. I cannot see you, but you're still doing it.  Therefore, pretty sure it's not allowed by the rules. Blocked is blocked, even if I cannot see you, you cannot adress me personally.And, if Gypsy saw it, I would be aware of it and could report you for circumventing a block. Last Edit by: User not found (1): Tche 5/09/12 - 9:02:59 pm
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| #50 :: May 9th, 2012 @ 9:04 PM | |
| grelca The Royal Administrator 5,884 Posts 989 Achievements |
@Tche But I didn't circumvent the block. Circumventing the block would be me ACTUALLY getting in touch with you. Saying something you can't even see? That is not circumventing anything.
cir·cum·vent Verb: Find a way around (an obstacle). Overcome (a difficulty), typically in a clever and surreptitious way.
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| #51 :: May 9th, 2012 @ 9:05 PM | |
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| #52 :: May 9th, 2012 @ 9:11 PM | |
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in the end, i would never lie @grelca We might actually need a UA/AA to help us figure this out, because I am pretty sure only ATTEMPTING to PERSONALLY contact a user you have blocked can be reportable. You can reply to their thread, if they post wardrobe previews, but you cannot ATTEMPT to adress them. Adress the poster = no Adress the topic = yes @mbif Hi, we have a question. Is "attempting" to contact a user that has you blocked on forums allowed or not? I think it's not, but I want to check with my favorite ex-boss Last Edit by: User not found (1): Tche 5/09/12 - 9:12:49 pm
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| #53 :: May 9th, 2012 @ 9:16 PM | |
| Kushina Gets Around  102 Posts 376 Achievements |
i like this change. i know subeta staff wont be jerks about the rules because they actually listen to us, unlike at some other sites. plus, this was the only site i ever knew that even had that notification - so it doesnt bother me much that its gone.
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| #54 :: May 9th, 2012 @ 9:16 PM | |
| JuneMunky The Cursed  5,158 Posts 1,138 Achievements |
Quote By @ ANTI: I'm with grelca in this. -shrug- I'm happy with the change since, in the very rare times that I have felt the need to block a user, I always felt uncomfortable doing it for fear of escalating the problem. Even if I had a problem with another user, I never wanted to rub it in their face like that. A quiet block seems better that way, and I really don't see how you could get in trouble for it. Most of the problems I see listed seem to be faults with the blocking system in general rather than "quiet" blocking itself. This echoes my thoughts exactly. I like the change (liked the idea the last time I saw it suggested last year). And I appreciate the fact that this was thought out. Hopefully there won't be too many bumps along the way, but thanks for considering the suggestion and for implementing it.
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| #55 :: May 9th, 2012 @ 9:20 PM | |
| mbif is Shady Assistant Admin 16,311 Posts 1,073 Achievements |
Rule Center on Harassment Quote: If the user continues to attempt to contact you directly via any other means on the site, you may report it at the Ticket Center to have the situation looked into. That said, as I mentioned previously, a lot of thought and effort went into the new blocking change and one of the reasons why it was not INSTANTLY ENACTED the very first time it was ever suggested is because we had to be sure that policy and enforcement were brought in line with any changes. Every reported case is evaluated on a case-by-case basis and various factors taken into consideration. We certainly don't want to see abuse of the harassment rule or any factors that might lead to a different judgement if it's reported but also recognize that cache may not take effect instantly and that without instant notification of blocking, it is possible that people might make an innocent/harmless attempt at contact before realizing that they've been blocked. All aspects of any harassment case are considered before warnings are handed out; they are not taken lightly. It's pretty much impossible to get a warning for it unless you were knowingly breaking the rules. //was not mine to take Last Edit by:
mbif 5/09/12 - 9:37:58 pm
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| #56 :: May 9th, 2012 @ 9:21 PM | |
| CallaSoreon The Gourmand  1,339 Posts 605 Achievements |
 I don't see why people don't like this. If you've been blocked by someone you cannot contact them AT ALL. If you try you get a message saying 'You cannot contact this user they have blocked you!' or something to that effect according to  Keith (post on bottom of first page)Besides I don't know about all you but if I had ever been blocked I wouldn't be able to remember anyway! Even with the alert. I would STILL be checking the block page anyway, so to me the alert did no good really. Whatever I like this, hopefully it will cut down on drama.
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| #57 :: May 9th, 2012 @ 9:23 PM | |
| Tonks is ZOMBIE LONG TIME  1,869 Posts 724 Achievements |
I liked the event so I would know who don't want to talk to me anymore and I liked to let know the other person that I didn't want to talk to them anymore... but yeh, not caring enough to make a fuss over that. Frankly I don't see the problem in here... when someone block you you can't contact them anymore... I've never really understood that rule about harassment... since Quote By from rules:
So where is the problem since you can't contact that person again since any means to contact someone is blocked... Ok, I'm sure that people that really want to and all could still do it, but you can't contact a blocked person by mistake from what I can see at least... Last Edit by: User not found (1): Zlitchy 5/09/12 - 9:25:17 pm
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| #58 :: May 9th, 2012 @ 9:24 PM | |
| bean Made a Living Assistant Admin 3,130 Posts 520 Achievements |
Okay, ignoring all of the circumventing stuff, can I ask those who have mentioned it how this prevents drama? Blocked with notification: I am immediately pissed off and vent to my friends/the forums/whatever. Even if I disagree with the block, I might have an idea why it happened (because of something I said or did right before it happened.) I can then re-evaluate my life and figure out why I am such a rotten person that people would want to block me. Blocked without notification: I am oblivious to the exact moment I was blocked, possibly continue being friendly to the person not knowing they cannot see me. When I do find out, I am immediately pissed off and vent to my friends/the forums/whatever. I am also confused, because I don't know what it is I did to earn it, or when it happened. Was it something I said months ago? Was it something I just did? I will never know and thus cannot learn to change my rotten ways. I die alone and unloved. Humor aside, I just think the whole "Less drama this way!" thing is kinda flimsy. As far as people abusing the notification showing up, pretty sure that was a warnable thing. Last Edit by:
bean 5/09/12 - 9:25:16 pm
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| #59 :: May 9th, 2012 @ 9:25 PM | |
| Klassikal is a tourist.  12,223 Posts 937 Achievements |
 Art by Quote By bean: Okay, ignoring all of the circumventing stuff, can I ask those who have mentioned it how this prevents drama? I would love to know this as well, thank you bean for being so eloquent. xD
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| #60 :: May 9th, 2012 @ 9:25 PM | |
| Melodious Is a Survivor  1,502 Posts 711 Achievements |
 Same as ANTI. I never blocked, even if I really wanted to, because people would instantly flip out about it. You block anyone that's not a troll, and you got a lot of hate and drama. "But --- is so nice! :c Why would someone do something so mean!!!" "But I didn't do ANYTHING!" "I hate random blockers blah blah blah they can burn in hell" Ugh. At least all the whines and why and accusations would be delayed or possibly avoided. And it's easy enough to see who blocked you, if you have a hunch. Not that I really care who blocks me. Good riddance, I say. But I see the problem with worrying about getting warned by accident. I think that accidentally trying to get in contact with someone that blocked should be okay. That's totally different from actually hunting down the user. LIke if I started getting comments from that user's buddies, hounding me for an answer (not out of innocent curiosity), I'd report it. Stalking the friends of a person that blocked you or trying to hound that person's friends is what would deserve a warning. Luckily, Subeta's community is small enough for most instant-warnings to be prevented or argued against. Course, this is all just speculation. xD; I haven't read what UAs have to say about it yet. 
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| #61 :: May 9th, 2012 @ 9:31 PM | |
| Andrea Has a Strong Pet  6,406 Posts 869 Achievements Max Death is coming for Everyone... and Everything. |
So I'm curious.... now that blocking = no event, is un-blocking the same as well? If so then yay~
Quote: Okay, ignoring all of the circumventing stuff, can I ask those who have mentioned it how this prevents drama? ^ that too, to be honest XD.. I mean I know how no event unblockings could potentially prevent drama, because the unblockee would now be free to contact you once again if they wished to do so. And that could end well depending on lingering hurt feelings about it etc? Otherwise idk. ... I am going to curiously stalk my blocked page, though. To see if anyone suddenly blocks me via no events XD
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| #62 :: May 9th, 2012 @ 9:36 PM | |
| Mentore is a Time Lord  8,185 Posts 634 Achievements |
This is how a block system works otherwise, be it an IM program or a different site. I, for one, fully support this change and am glad it was changed. Potentially for the better.
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| #63 :: May 9th, 2012 @ 9:38 PM | |
| Urd is a Time Lord  3,668 Posts 1,038 Achievements |
Really not a fan at all of this change at all. I suppose that now the block button is the approved 'ignore user' button since most people don't look at their block page to see if they have been blocked. Do you know how annoying it is to be on a thread, see responses to a mythical post and be confused as hell only to discover that you've been blocked?
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| #64 :: May 9th, 2012 @ 9:40 PM | |
| MrCool Do you have a life?  7,182 Posts 1,161 Achievements |
I am just glad that this was thoughtout beforehand. However, this won't stop B&C drama: it will only delay it. I am just glad that the system of issuing out warnings (or freezings in the case of the big troublemakers) actually takes into account if it were an accident. Though really, it is not hard to avoid contact with a blocked user. Just treat them like you would frozen users and don't mention them at all.
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| #65 :: May 9th, 2012 @ 9:55 PM | |
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in the end, i would never lie Bean worded this so wonderfully I think I need to find my BK crown to give it to her. Good job 
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| #66 :: May 9th, 2012 @ 10:11 PM | |
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 I find it really funny how everyone is spazzing out now because they're assuming that they're going to be blocked by everyone for some reason. I am personal fine with this change. not like i am going to go on a rage blocking every user for the heck of it because they wont know~.. it just solves a lot of problems. :/ I just have a question that I am still unclear about: If you block a person on the site, are you blocking them from everything except like.. your shop/ trades ect? what are the things they still see? Edit: oops should have read the second page first :I Last Edit by:
facebook 5/09/12 - 10:13:37 pmTHAT'S IT THAT'S ALL I GOT!
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| #67 :: May 9th, 2012 @ 10:16 PM | |
| InSaNe is ZOMBIE LONG TIME  9,042 Posts 728 Achievements |
most complainers on this issue are making a big deal out of nothing. Most people have what, 1 or two people blocking them max ? The chance of running accross them on the forums and unwillingly persistenly trying to talk to them is rather low. And if you got a warning for just talking to them, just appeal it. Accidents happen, and you probs won't be blamed if you meant no harm and had no idea, especially considering the change. Also, you're usually blocked for a reason, as small as it can be, I don't think any of your BFFs you're talking to every day would block you, so there's a high vhance you don't want to talk to those people anyway
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| #68 :: May 9th, 2012 @ 10:19 PM | |
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 I don't like the idea that you're notified when someone blocks you. I know there's a lot of reasons why people would block other people. Maybe they go on the debate forums and someone has a radical view and you disagree with it. And it's something that actually bothers you. Really bothers you. Or maybe someone who's quite well known on the forums who just rubs you the wrong way. And you don't want to deal with them. You just don't want to deal with the possibility of a fight and just want to block them to avoid drama. I've been on another site where you are notified. And I've seen "BAWWW SOMEONE BLOCKED ME LOLOLOLOL SOMEONE IS SOOOO STUPID I DIDNT DO ANYTHING LOLOLOLOL" threads about people who randomly block. {And that is not that big of a over-dramatization.} So I'm happy with this change. It didn't make much sense to me to begin with.
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| #69 :: May 9th, 2012 @ 10:34 PM | |
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| #70 :: May 9th, 2012 @ 10:39 PM | |
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dont really care enough to say nay to this on tumblr when you block someone it doesnt give them an event which i really like because an event would just give them reason to anonymously harass you. the less likely a person is to see a block right away the less likely they are to poopie their pants and murder you. |
| #71 :: May 9th, 2012 @ 11:01 PM | |
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 Quote By Keith:There is literally no other websites on the internet that have a block system that notifies you when you've been blocked. We decided (and have talked about for a very long time) that this was not a good choice on our part, and have taken it out. I don't have a problem with the change, and I'm honestly surprised that so many people are upset about it for this exact reason. Subeta was the only website or service that offered a blocking feature that I've ever used that told people when they were blocked. It doesn't bother me in the slightest that they've changed the set-up to match how basically everything else handles blocking users. |
| #72 :: May 9th, 2012 @ 11:06 PM | |
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| #73 :: May 9th, 2012 @ 11:12 PM | |
| Sopheroo is Shady 26,775 Posts 845 Achievements |
in the end, i would never lie Aside from the onOes you initially got from the blocked noticed, what did it change to know it, though?
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| #74 :: May 9th, 2012 @ 11:32 PM | |
| pax is a Mirage  10,140 Posts 606 Achievements |
 hoar is now pax. Quote By @ Zlitchy: Quote By from rules: Thank you for the clarification that the rules intended this! However, I find it odd that someone blocked me, and I can still see ALL of her posts, even topics she starts. I made a misplaced reply (by accident - I don't know how it became its own topic) asking about this, but I'm glad to see someone clear most of it up. O_O Last Edit by: User not found (1): Hoar 5/09/12 - 11:48:43 pm
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| #75 :: May 9th, 2012 @ 11:34 PM | |
| dwarven is a Sun-Worshipper  3,714 Posts 759 Achievements |
art by Naughty Snowfairy  Quote By @mbif:@ Tche Can you confirm, then, that the following scenario is NOT warnable? Scenario: RandomUser blocks me because of reasons. I am not aware of the block. I attempt to respond to something they have said on the forums, accidentally breaking the no-contact rule. RandomUser's friend, aware of the block, notices and reports me for harassment. That's my only issue here. I know it's on a case-by-base basis, but even if I pinged someone who had blocked me and said something snarky, if I didn't know about them blocking me in the first place, I wouldn't know to avoid them... and I'm willing to bet it's impossible to actually confirm whether or not someone is aware of a block.
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| #76 :: May 9th, 2012 @ 11:38 PM | |
| mbif is Shady Assistant Admin 16,311 Posts 1,073 Achievements |
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| #77 :: May 10th, 2012 @ 12:40 AM | |
| Starshadow is a Time Lord  4,193 Posts 878 Achievements |
 I don't like this either because I have had totally random people I don't even know block me for absolutely no reason when I never even contacted them in the first place and have no idea who they are!   Last Edit by:
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| #78 :: May 10th, 2012 @ 12:52 AM | |
| Harpie Has a Strong Pet  7,396 Posts 876 Achievements |
 I really wish there was more of an ignore feature, where if you don't like someones anything, you can just ignore them. I feel that if a user is being legitimately harassed, then they should be able to file a ticket with a UA, and have it be taken care of in that fashion.
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| #79 :: May 10th, 2012 @ 1:06 AM | |
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 Quote By @Harpie: I didn't even read the whole thread, but I agree that I don't like it. I don't like the blocking system period. There is not THAT much harassment that goes on here, sorry to burst some bubbles out there. People just block for the most retarded reasons. All of this. Often it seems 
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| #80 :: May 10th, 2012 @ 1:42 AM | |
| dwarven is a Sun-Worshipper 3,714 Posts 759 Achievements |
art by Choco  I think I'd much prefer Harpie's ignore idea to the current system. I'm sure there are real instances of harassment on-site, but in a lot of cases, blocking occurs because the blocker doesn't like or agree with something about the blockee. I know there aren't any actual statistics kept, but I'd be very curious to know how many blockings happen because of legitimate cases of harassment versus "I don't like you" / "I disagree with you" / "Your forum set is uggo" / non-harassment reasons.In our current system, if a user is being legitimately harassed and has not yet blocked the person harassing them, will the harasser be given a warning? Or will the victim simply be told to block the harasser and wait for them to break the blocking rules? :S
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