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Circumcision- ethical?
| #1 :: June 14th, 2012 @ 2:35 AM | |
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1. Circumcising male infants is a purely cosmetic procedure. No medical agency in the world recommends doing it. There are no medical benefits. 2. The current rate of circumcising in the US is at about 30%. The locker room argument no longer holds up. 3. The babies are often not given any sort of anesthetic or pain medication. The ones that are given pain medication- the medication isn't very effective because, well, let's face it, you're cutting off a piece of skin that is fused to the glans like your fingernail is fused to your nail bed. The skin isn't just hanging there begging to be cut off. 4. Babies DO die from circumcision, and suffer from other issues relating to the procedure as well. It's surgery, it only takes a half a shot glass amount of blood for a baby to bleed out. 5. No, cleaning it is not more difficult. Retracting an infants foreskin is terrible for the child- instead the penis is simply wiped like a finger. The end. The child will be able to retract it on his own at some point, sometimes this takes as long as puberty. That's totally normal. 6. Female circumcision has been outlawed despite the fact that there are forms of female circumcision that are less invasive than the current form of male circumcision preformed. 7. There is always a 'I'd rather cut it off before he can remember because I knew a guy in a nursing home who had to have it done when he was 80' argument. Removing parts of our bodies simply to prevent something that MIGHT happen doesn't make any sense. Should we remove tonsils and appendixes at birth as well? Not to mention adults have proper anesthesia, pain medication after the procedure, and the right to choose whether it is done or not. 8. The foreskin has a purpose when it come to sex, it is not useless. It prevents the keratinization of the glans. The US is the only country that routinely circumcises their infants and we have the highest instances of erectile dysfunction because of it. So do you think that circumcising a male infant is ethical? Do you think it is the parents right to chose, or should it be left up to the owner of the penis?
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| #2 :: June 14th, 2012 @ 2:09 PM | |
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I don't like the idea of circumcising an infant, AT ALL. It has more negatives than positives, and I feel it should be left until adulthood, to let the man decide for himself, or only in extreme medical cases. On the topic of female circumcision, I feel that while I myself would never do it, If male circumcision is legal, the more tame versions of female circumcision should also be allowed, so people can have the choice to. oh course, I am from the UK, so this topic does not affect me in any way.
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| #3 :: June 14th, 2012 @ 2:33 PM | |
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Personally, I am not getting my son circumcised. I had absolutely no idea why I would want the foreskin of my sons penis cut off at birth. It is not medically necessary, and its a descision that should be made as an adult. On top of that I think its wrong. Many girls I knew in a pregnancy class choose to save hundreds of dollars to get their sons circumcised as it is not a mandatory medical procedure anymore, and when I asked why it was because they were raised catholic or christain. I thought it was really ignorant considering the health risks.
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| #4 :: June 14th, 2012 @ 4:08 PM | |
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@PURRr Congratulations! And the religious aspect is RIDICULOUS when it comes to the New Testament. There are many passages that mention circumcision not being necessary any longer. I rarely see the debate pertaining to Christianity though, most of the time it's Jewish people following the Old Testament. Very interesting that they are giving that reason.
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| #5 :: June 14th, 2012 @ 4:43 PM | |
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| #6 :: June 14th, 2012 @ 5:18 PM | |
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I personally feel it should be up to the owner of the penis, BUT as a parent you need to sit down and educate your child at the right age and make sure that he does exercise it, and does clean properly. There are men who suffer greatly as adults because they cannot pull it back, they never touched it, things are dirty and caked up, etc. This talk especially needs to happen so if the child realizes that he can't retract it at all, a medical professional can take a look at the situation and evaluate it.
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| #7 :: June 14th, 2012 @ 5:22 PM | |
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There is nothing ethical about performing a cosmetic procedure (for religious reasons or otherwise) on an individual that cannot decide for themselves.
Anyone who thinks otherwise is wrong and morally despicable. join #stijn |
| #8 :: June 14th, 2012 @ 5:23 PM | |
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  I find the idea of cicumcision -- male and female -- to be abhorrent. It is entirely unethical. As there are NO medical benefits and it reduces sensitivity in the penis, there is no reason to have it done unless medically necessary. Obviously there are times when a male must be circumcised due to trauma to the area, but otherwise there's no reason. Religion is not a reason. * * * * * * I saw the constellations reveal themselves one star at a time.
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| #9 :: June 14th, 2012 @ 6:05 PM | |
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Circumcision May Lower Risk of Both Acquiring and Transmitting HPV
Phimosis Think that about covers it.
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| #10 :: June 14th, 2012 @ 6:14 PM | |
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ETA: The USA has the highest AIDS rate of developed countries and we are the only country that routinely circumcises infants. I also need to add that phimosis is largely caused by forced retraction of the infant. Last Edit by:
Paisley 6/14/12 - 7:20:28 pm
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| #11 :: June 14th, 2012 @ 8:21 PM | |
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My bad....
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| #12 :: June 14th, 2012 @ 8:56 PM | |
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Quote By @Paisley:
Dandelina that study was done 10 years ago and has since been disproven. Got a link to prove this?
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| #13 :: June 14th, 2012 @ 10:20 PM | |
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I'm gonna weigh in as a circumcised guy. Mine had to have been done as an infant, because I have no memory of it being otherwise. I prefer it, because I think uncut penises are gross looking. I can see the argument that I maybe should have had a say in it, but I honestly don't care. I don't think I'd want to remember surgery down there. If I have a son, I'll probably have him circumcised too. EDIT: @Paisley http://www.avert.org/circumcision-hiv.htm On male circumcision helping reduce AIDS risk in men via heterosexual sex. I've read an article somewhere that among gay men, circumcised tops are the least likely to have HIV. If I find it, I'll post it. EDIT again: Actually, it's mentioned in that article too. Last Edit by:
HerroRed 6/14/12 - 10:27:45 pm
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| #14 :: June 14th, 2012 @ 10:47 PM | |
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 So, as a grown woman, I feel the same way as @HerroRed about the way it looks, and well, can smell (which also ties in with cleanliness and infection, etc. This was the main argument I have ever heard in favour of circumcision.) if not routinely washed. Again, that goes back to aesthetics. As a mother, however, I would feel wrong getting any part of a baby's body snipped off purely for aesthetic reasons. And would have to leave it up to the child to determine as an adult unless I heard any RL accounts of infection, etc. As I would not want to put a child in jeopardy by not circumcising either. I was also going to mention as well though, @Paisley, where the references are for all of these claims that you are making? I'd just like to see them actually! |My Style File|My Trades|Free Lotto|Like PHPs Lottos? Like His Comment on FB! |
|| #15 :: June 14th, 2012 @ 11:10 PM | |
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http://www.savingsons.org/p/library.html- this is a list of links relating to circumcision. It actually includes links to the pages for the growing number of men that are angry with their parents for circumcising and are working on restoring their foreskin. (TLC Tugger) Also- there aren't real risks to not circumcising. Infections of the penis are similar to yeast infections. They need to be treated with antibiotics. The only risks lie in circumcising when many things can go wrong. @Dandelina @HerroRed I don't have a link proving otherwise, I think I was wrong earlier in saying that. It has conflicting views, studies have shown both that it does and doesn't, so it's a washed study. There is much more information out there about HIV, and since it is also an STD I'll provide a link that provides it's own links to studies done with conflicting answers. http://www.mgmbill.org/aids.htm However these studies have also been done on female circumcision and some have found that it may reduce the risk of HIV. And yet....we aren't circumcising our females. Because condoms exist for a reason. Because amputation isn't the answer to prevention. If we amputated penises in entirety that would pretty much completely solve the issue of STD's. We aren't doing that. HerroRed- that's a common theme with men to say that they would prefer to not have a surgery done that they can remember. However there have been studies done suggesting that infants suffer from PTSD from circumcision, and it also affects the breastfeeding relationship. If you wanted it done as an adult, you could have it done with the proper pain medications. Why would you willingly put your child through a procedure like that at a day old just because 'he's not going to remember it'. That doesn't make any sense to me. My husband and I argued for a LONG time about circumcision. It was my hill to die on and I would have done anything to protect my son. Babies die from circumcision. This is a really recent account of a baby that dies from the unnecessary procedure. http://www.savingsons.org/2012/05/2-week-old-baby-dies-from-circumcision.html Here is another link on the topic which contains it's own links as well. http://soggymom.blogspot.com/2012/03/circumcision-yes-or-no-or-wait.html
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| #16 :: June 15th, 2012 @ 1:40 AM | |
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I wrote a blog post about this a couple weeks ago: http://honeysweet oreo cream filling.tumblr.com/post/23746246595/why-non-consensual-circumcision-is-a-feminist-issue
I absolutely believe it is wrong for a person's body to be altered in such a way without their consent, especially since circumcision is a completely unnecessary procedure. If I have children someday, I will not have them circumcised. |
| #17 :: June 15th, 2012 @ 1:57 AM | |
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That blog was awesome! You're very articulate and you put it perfectly. <3 There seems to be a lot of concern on males cleaning themselves when they are older, like this is the main concern lf most people saying boys need to be circmcised. Cleaning an intact penis is as easy as pulling back the foreskin in the shower and letting water run on it. Super easy. Soap is bad for t just like soap is bad for women's vaginas. And if you know a guy that doesn't play with his penis a little in the shower I'd like to meet him, lol.
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| #18 :: June 15th, 2012 @ 2:06 AM | |
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@Paisley
Aww, thanks!  I've had arguments with my dad about it before. He insists that little boys are too lazy to bother cleaning their genitals properly. I don't think it should be a factor in making the decision for your child, however. The foreskin exists for a reason. If it were so detrimental to a person's health, wouldn't evolution have eliminated the presence of it after so many thousands of years? |
| #19 :: June 15th, 2012 @ 5:37 AM | |
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| #20 :: June 15th, 2012 @ 8:15 AM | |
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Quote By @Dandelina:
Circumcision May Lower Risk of Both Acquiring and Transmitting HPV You feel that's reason enough to circumcise every boy? Regardless of whether the study has since been disproven (Seems logical to me that the less surface area, the less chance of transmission), a simple lessening of risk of acquiring and transmission of HPV doesn't seem worth the mutilation. As for phimosis, the foreskin of men is retractable at age 17 in 99% of people. Phimosis is easily treatable with a variety of creams and lotions, and if necessary surgery at a later age. Preventive circumcision is ridiculous in this case. So no, that does not cover it. join #stijn |
| #21 :: June 15th, 2012 @ 8:24 AM | |
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tell your dad it's a good thing most little boys can't retract their foreskin until puberty anyway, and at that time they sure as crap are playing with that thing in the shower! lol. And I agree about the evolution thing, but what's more is that it should be so obvious considering the penises in the UK aren't falling off and they aren't suffering from all these dreaded diseases. @Epinephrine The circ rates in this country are dropping low, I don't know how hold you are but depending on where you live your son will NOT be alienated because of his penis (and quite frankly I don't know any man that comes from a generation with a high circ rate that is living a hermit life just because he has his full penis). Circumcising because you don't want your child to feel weird is like getting your child a nose job or breast implants so they fit in. Would you do that? And OMG no there is no pill to regrow a foreskin! That's crazy! The only way to ATTEMPT to regrow that part of the penis is by foreskin restoration which is skin stretching. It's a long process. Google TLC Tugger or foreskin restoration, I don't know if I can post links because usually there are pictures of people in progress of their restoration.
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| #22 :: June 15th, 2012 @ 8:25 AM | |
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@leenski, the foreskin exists to help with sex, make things go more smooth. they didnt have lube x hundred years ago.
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| #23 :: June 15th, 2012 @ 9:37 AM | |
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@Paisley Yeah that's what I thought. I'll keep being in favor until there's a study proving otherwise.
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| #24 :: June 15th, 2012 @ 10:54 AM | |
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Every guy I've ever asked about being circumcised (which all of them were) didn't care that they were, it was normal for them, they liked the look of it, and they didn't care that their parents chose for them.
As for my own opinion, I'll admit that I like the look of a circumcised penis much more than that of an uncircumcised penis, and the CDC says that male circumcision can decrease the chances of penile cancer and STI transmission, so there are SOME medical benefits. @Epicness In response to the whole "If male circumcision is legal, the more tame versions of female circumcision should also be allowed, so people can have the choice to." I say it depends, if it is only removal of the clitoral hood I'm fine with it, some women have this procedure done later in life for cosmetic reasons and because it can increase sensation, removal of anything else is not okay.
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| #25 :: June 15th, 2012 @ 10:56 AM | |
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@Khigari That's exactly what i meant
 . Thanks for clarifying, though.
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| #26 :: June 15th, 2012 @ 12:23 PM | |
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  Personally, if I ever had kids, I dont know if they'd be circumcised or not. My brother is, my nephew is, 3/4 guys I've had sex with are. I guess to me, seeing a sniped Richard is normal.
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| #27 :: June 15th, 2012 @ 12:40 PM | |
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@Paisley Yeah that's what I thought. I'll keep being in favor until there's a study proving otherwise. . It makes more sense to just cut off the penis. 100% reduction of STD's! And as already mentioned, preventing something with mutilation is ridiculous when there are other methods of protection that are better- like CONDOMS! Are you going to teach your son to not use condoms because he's been circumcised? Removing the foreskin to prevent STD's is the same as removing the labia to prevent them. Do you agree with female mutilation? @Khigari Its hard to have a negative opinion of your penis when it's all you've ever known. Plus many men are reluctant to say anything bad about their penis. Maybe ask some intact guys, they know what it's like. Men have a knee jerk 'protect my penis' reaction, and when they have been circumcised they don't like to consider that they might be missing something. And I'm assuming these men are younger- they haven't gotten to the age where circumcision might truly affect their sex life negatively. Last Edit by:
Paisley 6/15/12 - 12:45:48 pm
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| #28 :: June 15th, 2012 @ 1:21 PM | |
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| #29 :: June 15th, 2012 @ 2:11 PM | |
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@Paisley I'm not swayed by statements laden with ad absurdum reasoning. How is expecting condom usage and comparing it to female circumcision which also lowers those risks absurd? I think you're just planting your feet and refusing to see the actual logic.
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| #30 :: June 15th, 2012 @ 2:34 PM | |
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Quote By @Paisley:
Then what's the big deal about getting it circumcised? The only people who seem to have a negative opinion about circumcision are women and uncut men, very few men are actually unhappy about being circumcised (in my experience. I can't actually find any study or numbers that report an estimate on it, at least not from an unbiased source) Quote By Paisley: And I'm assuming these men are younger- they haven't gotten to the age where circumcision might truly affect their sex life negatively. I'm assuming this is you alluding to your earlier claim of circumcision=erectile dysfunction? I have to disagree with you there. The US has a higher rate of erectile dysfunction because we have a higher rate of obesity and diabetes, both of which have been linked to ED.
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| #31 :: June 15th, 2012 @ 2:40 PM | |
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Quote By @Paisley: Then why are there so many men working on restoring their foreskin? They aren't doing it because it's fun. They have increased sensation after foreskin restoration and are able to preform better. There are thousands of nerve endings in the foreskin, removing them removes a great deal of sensation. Just because a man has grown with something and doesn't know better doesn't mean that there isn't something missing. The big deal isn't about the penis actually being circumcised, the big deal is removing the CHOICE from the child. They deserve a say in it. Personally I'm completely uncomfortable with the idea of putting my newborn under the knife just because he won't remember it later. Have you actually seen a circumcision being preformed? ETA: Circumcision was originally brought to the US to curb masturbation in men. http://www.historyofcircumcision.net/index.php?option=com_content&task=category§ionid=8&id=73 They knew it lowered sensation Last Edit by:
Paisley 6/15/12 - 2:45:57 pm
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| #32 :: June 15th, 2012 @ 2:53 PM | |
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@Paisley You're talking about cutting off penises to curb STDs, that's absurd. It's tied to a lower risk of cancer, that's all I need to know to support it.
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| #33 :: June 15th, 2012 @ 3:02 PM | |
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@Paisley You're talking about cutting off penises to curb STDs, that's absurd. It's tied to a lower risk of cancer, that's all I need to know to support it. Would cutting off the penis not solve the problem? Do you know that neither the American Cancer Society or the American Academy of pediatrics recommend circumcision to prevent cancer? "In weighing the risks and benefits of circumcision, doctors consider the fact that penile cancer is very uncommon in the United States, even among uncircumcised men. Neither the American Academy of Pediatrics nor the Canadian Academy of Pediatrics recommends routine circumcision of newborns."- From the ACA website. Why are they not recommending it if there are obvious benefits? Why on earth do you have to circumcise a 2 day old baby in order to prevent this? Why not wait until the child can at least be properly anesthetized and has an established breastfeeding relationship if you are so hell bent on circumcising? Does it really make sense to ANYONE that a newborn should be cut while awake with no form of pain medication safe enough to give a child that small?
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| #34 :: June 15th, 2012 @ 3:05 PM | |
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@Paisley
As I said -very few men- I didn't say every man was okay about it and it's actually being disputed that the extra sensitivity after restoration is purely psychological. And there's also dispute over any actual decrease in sensation when the foreskin is removed. As for the choice thing, parents make decisions for their children all the time like whether or not to vaccinate, whether to even take them to a doctor or dentist or not, and every single medical decision up until they are 18. Every surgery is horrible, that's not an argument. Quote By Paisley: ETA: Circumcision was originally brought to the US to curb masturbation in men. http://www.historyofcircumcision.net/index.php?option=com_content&task=category§ionid=8&id=73 They knew it lowered sensation They didn't know it lowered sensation, they thought that without the foreskin it would be more difficult to masturbate. Anyway, concerning your link, isn't that reason enough to have it done as an infant? It's not a choice you can go back on, so if you leave it as a choice for when they're older, isn't it worse if they decide to have it removed and they don't like it? They can't just get their foreskin back, they're stuck with a choice they regret.
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| #35 :: June 15th, 2012 @ 3:08 PM | |
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@Paisley Because when they're that old, it hurts more. When you're a baby they stick needles and IVs into you all the time, you don't remember it.
Cutting off the penis would have severe medical drawbacks and so it's an absurd proposition. Men use theirs to expel urine and without it, natural procreation would be impossible. Circumcising a woman is about pain and making them not want to have sex with anyone. Men are circumcised either for health reasons or to signify a promise to God. They're not at all the same, and drawing such absurd similarities is just downright ignorant.
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| #36 :: June 15th, 2012 @ 3:24 PM | |
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@Paisley Every surgery is done without anesthesia under the guise that 'they won't remember?'. No, most if not all surgeries are preformed with anesthesia and proper pain management. And no, that isn't reason at all to have it done as an infant. Are you serious? 'better remove it now in case he wants to remove it later and regrets it'. Nope, he can make the choice and regret it, not be pissed at me for making it for him. The thing is, most men aren't going to make that choice. And @Dandelina female circumcision is done for medical benefits as well. And usually it's for religious reasons. It is extremely comparable to male circumcision. Thought I'd post the reasons for female circ- Reasons for supporting FGM include the beliefs that it is a "good tradition", a religious requirement(s), or a necessary rite of passage to womanhood; that it ensures cleanliness or better marriage prospects, prevents promiscuity and excessive clitoral growth, preserves virginity, enhances male sexuality, and facilitates childbirth by widening the birth canal. Until the 1950s, FGM was performed in England and the United States as a common "treatment" for lesbianism, masturbation, hysteria, epilepsy, and other so-called "female deviances".41 Religious affiliation can affect approval levels: A study in Kenya and Sierra Leone revealed that most Protestants opposed FGM while a majority of Catholics and Muslims supported its continuation.42 There is a direct correlation between a woman's attitude towards FGM and her place of residence, educational background, and work status. DHS data indicate that urban women are less likely than their rural counterparts to support FGM. Employed women are also less likely to support it. Women with little or no education are more likely to support the practice than those with a secondary or higher education.44 Data from the 1989 Sudanese survey (of women 15- to 49-years-old) show that 80 percent of women with no education or only primary education support FGM, compared to only 55 percent of those with senior secondary or higher schooling.45 A woman's age does not seem to influence support. Most women who have had the FGM procedure are strongly in favor of FGM for their daughters.46 In Egypt, 50 percent of the women surveyed reported that they had at least one daughter who had gone through the procedure, while 38 percent intended to do so in the future. In addition, most of these women want their daughters to undergo the same type of procedure they had.49 Most women who favor ending the practice also feel they do not have enough information to convince men of the harmful effects of FGM.50 Men help continue the practice by refusing to marry women who have not had FGM or by allowing or paying for their daughters' procedures. DHS data indicate that, in general, women believe that their husbands' attitudes toward FGM are similar to their own.51 However, recent studies in Eritrea and Sudan found that men may actually be less supportive and more indifferent than women toward this practice.52- from http://www.path.org/files/FGM-The-Facts.htm Any of those sound familiar when you think of male circumcision reasons? Last Edit by:
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| #37 :: June 15th, 2012 @ 3:44 PM | |
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@Paisley Not in any of the sociology texts I've ever read, and Wikipedia says that it is not for religious reasons either: "While individual Muslims, Christians, and Jews practise FGM, it is not a requirement of any religious observance. Judaism requires circumcision for boys, but does not allow it for girls. Islamic scholars have said that, while male circumcision is a sunna, or religious obligation, female circumcision is not required, and several have issued a fatwa against Type III."
So yeah, it's a malicious and superstitious act, and nothing like male circumcision.
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| #38 :: June 15th, 2012 @ 3:54 PM | |
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And Judaism does not require circumcision, there is an acceptable alternative. http://www.jewsagainstcircumcision.org/brisshalom.htm
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| #39 :: June 15th, 2012 @ 4:45 PM | |
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Goldaline my dear, we will fold and freeze together... I have absolutely no opinion on this. If I bear penis equipped children, I'll let the person I'm having it with who has a penis decide. Last Edit by:
Fennec 6/15/12 - 4:46:16 pm ... far away from here there is sun and spring and green forever...
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| #40 :: June 15th, 2012 @ 5:42 PM | |
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My ex-husband had a botched circ. as a child, which ended up causing him pain every time he had an erection. The spot where the head of the penis was left attached to the foreskin left basically a tunnel, so it would stink because of the bacteria accumulating there. He had to have it corrected at age 27, so it's not just uncirc'd adults who have to have it done. Because of that we decided to leave our son intact, however is foreskin was too tight and interfering with urination. We were able to do a modified circ however, with most of the foreskin left intact. Medical reasons, I totally understand such as my son's case. Vanity, wanting to 'look like daddy', or a -chance- at not catching something that can be prevented by common sense care for their own medical well being, not as much. Also, I find the whole, "I think it looks better." Arguement creepy. Why do you need to worry about what your sons penis looks like as an adult? Last Edit by:
usagi 6/15/12 - 5:44:02 pm
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