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#1 :: June 22nd, 2012 @ 12:42 AM

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I know I'm going to get a storm of flames for this, but...
Yes, Drunk Carl needs to be permanently removed from weekend quests. Most people can not access his quests: It takes 20-25 million to put the map together. It's not worth putting together to do his quests. I suggest either lifting the lock on the Omen Islands to Drunk Carl, or just completely remove him from being a potential weekend quest. It's just not worth it, and some people can't even DO the weekend quest.

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#2 :: June 22nd, 2012 @ 12:44 AM

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Drunk Carl needs to just not suck so much.

But to actually respond to this, I agree. I believe Sarah is exempt because of the money restrictions on her, so I say Carl should be as well.
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#3 :: June 22nd, 2012 @ 12:57 AM

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I honestly didn't know he was inaccessible to some people. But when I think about it... duh. |: In that case, I agree that he should be removed from the weekend quests drawing. Or have him be an exception as far as one of the things on the omen islands people can access. (Like how non-zombies can still get to underground shops if they're not a zombie.)

But the first thing makes more sense, so support overall.

#4 :: June 22nd, 2012 @ 1:03 AM

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Well, we can't just take away all the questers that aren't 'worth' it. Then lots of other things become worthless, like tokens(wizard quests) and sp(sagi). I support Carl remaining a weekend quester but they need to make him accessible for the weekend at least.

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#5 :: June 22nd, 2012 @ 1:08 AM

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I agree with you. it is not fair to those who can not go do his quest if they can not get to him because they do not have all the map pieces needs. Even if he gave out good prizes or not I am sure people want to do his quest for the achievements.

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#6 :: June 22nd, 2012 @ 1:09 AM

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Is he actually inaccessible? I would think you'd still be able to do his quests if you take a link directly to his page. I'd test it but I already have a map. Anyone without a map want to click the link here just so we know if you can access Drunk Carl or not?

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#7 :: June 22nd, 2012 @ 1:10 AM

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Oh No! Oh, no! Apparently you haven't quite worked out how to get to the Omen Islands yet! I suppose you probably need to put together an unknown map!

I received this message. Users are locked off from accessing Drunk Carl.

#8 :: June 22nd, 2012 @ 1:16 AM

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I feel for the users that don't have access to the Islands. And Carl's quests suck too. They aren't even worth doing even as a weekend quest. His prizes aren't increased at all, in my opinion.

#9 :: June 22nd, 2012 @ 1:29 AM

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I dont know. I get the point of the suggestion, but at the same time, thats like removing the sp limit on saggi....

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#10 :: June 22nd, 2012 @ 1:51 AM

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The sP limit on Saggi is much less difficult to overcome, though:

Sarah - get rid of almost all of your sP somehow
Drunk Carl - a crap ton of money solving the map
Saggi - have 800k

I feel like drawing the line at Saggi is acceptable just because it doesn't take long to accumulate his 800k minimum thing. Four days of playing as many games of Matlal's Jewels as possible and you're set, and that's assuming you have no other sP coming in.

#11 :: June 22nd, 2012 @ 2:05 AM

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I know its not hard to make the sp needed for Saggi, but I meant that along similar lines to Carl. I dont know. The way I see it, if we eliminate one for difficulties, its like someone going to complain about why wasn't blah eliminated too?

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#12 :: June 22nd, 2012 @ 2:06 AM

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There are so many problems with Drunk Carl. I agree that he should be removed from weekend quests because I feel bad for new users that don't have the map yet. Everyone should be able to participate in weekend quests.
Also, Drunk Carl just needs to not suck so much. His prizes are so crappy, and its just not worth it to do them even when he is the weekend quest.

#13 :: June 22nd, 2012 @ 3:43 AM

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i don't care that this is a quest that not everyone can do
but since carl is somewhat exclusive, his quests still suck
i get some good items from him, no problem
but for a weekend quest his prices are still crap

and that's said from someone who normally doesn't complain AT ALL about such things :/

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#14 :: June 22nd, 2012 @ 4:37 AM

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I agree he should be removed from the weekend quests as a stop-gap solution and had no idea some couldn't get to him either.

For a quest this exclusive, his definitely needs a good revamp...his is one of the worst quests on Subeta.

#15 :: June 22nd, 2012 @ 6:19 AM

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I agree that he should be removed from the weekend quests. Sarah's Quests are restricted to players with less than a certain amount of sP and they aren't included in the weekend quests. Why, then, can't Carl be removed seeing as he's restricted to those who have access to Omen Islands?

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#16 :: June 22nd, 2012 @ 10:09 AM

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I understand the point made, but Saggi's prizes cost money to get money. Drunk Carl...just can't be accessed.

#17 :: June 22nd, 2012 @ 10:35 AM

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It would be nice if they would make it more fair in that way. If Carl were accessible to everyone, I'd have no problem with him being the weekend quest. Since not everyone can access Carl and the Omen Islands map REs being so scarce, it would only be fair if he goes, especially regarding the reasons for why Sarah is not in the weekend quest lineup.

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#18 :: June 22nd, 2012 @ 10:47 AM

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If I only had 100k there would be no way I could make a million that day if I only spent an hour or two on the site. I'd have to either get really lucky with my restocks or spend all day restocking. I like it as it is. Yeah it stinks in a way that people can't get to it but thats their choice not to put togetehr the map. Theres more on that island than just Drunk Carl. If there wasn't a way to get to him ever unless you took part in the plot then I could understand, but users have the option at any time to put together a map. And "Worth it" or no is subjective to each user.

#19 :: June 22nd, 2012 @ 11:04 AM

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Quote By MrCool:

Since not everyone can access Carl and the Omen Islands map REs being so scarce, it would only be fair if he goes, especially regarding the reasons for why Sarah is not in the weekend quest lineup.

*agrees* For the Saggi quests, you can earn 800k then spend it afterwards, but for Drink Carl quests, you need to spend out to buy the map to gain access in the first place. Ok yes that then allows you to access more areas, but it doesn't seem right that the weekend quest is effectively inaccessible from a (possibly large) percentage of the Subetan population.

If he has to stay as a possible weekend quest, then maybe Sarah's quests should be added in as well?

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#20 :: June 22nd, 2012 @ 11:05 AM

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Then what's the point in making it the weekend quest? If it doesn't follow the Omen Islands structure, why should he even be appointed to be a weekend quest at all? I'm saying either let people only particularly access drunk carl, because putting together the map is VERY expensive, or remove him from the quests entirely. The whole userbase should be respected, not just the ones who put the map together. It's using segregation logic.

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#21 :: June 22nd, 2012 @ 11:09 AM

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But they aren't respected if someone who has 100k to their name comes on, they will have to bust their ass to do saggi. That was my point, @Pizza. The other quests, yes anyone can do them. But Saggi also has a requirement. And yes, I know the average sP amount is over a million for users, but I often find myself with less than 100k and nothing to do but either waste hours restocking in hopes something good will come along and sell that day or spending real life cash to get the funds.

Or I can just not do the quests because I feel its not worth the effort. Which is the same as putting the map together, really. If someone doesn't want to put it together that is their choice. They have the option so they aren't excluded, they choose not to do something in order to access that part of the site.

#22 :: June 22nd, 2012 @ 11:22 AM

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Quote By @Paddy:

If he has to stay as a possible weekend quest, then maybe Sarah's quests should be added in as well?

Good thinking. As one weekend quest is unavailable to a large number of players it's only fair to have another weekend quest which is unavailable to the richer players.

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#23 :: June 22nd, 2012 @ 11:28 AM

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Adding Sarah would be bass-akward as hell.
You'd make money off of her, then have to get rid of it to keep doing her quests.

Just thought I'd throw that in there.

#24 :: June 22nd, 2012 @ 11:31 AM

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Archer makes an incredibly valid point. Besides would it really be fair to ask users to get rid of their hundreds of millions to do a quest when you're so upset over spending 20 mil for something that is forever?

#25 :: June 22nd, 2012 @ 11:31 AM

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Quote By @Archer:

Adding Sarah would be bass-akward as hell.
You'd make money off of her, then have to get rid of it to keep doing her quests.

Just thought I'd throw that in there.

This ^ Not to mention it's incredibly easy to say to a friend "Hey can you hold onto my money while I do my Sarah quests?" because that's allowed, so people can get the achievements and such, so it wouldn't be stopping anyone doing them it would just be inconveniencing us slightly.

#26 :: June 22nd, 2012 @ 11:37 AM

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Quote By @Archer:

Adding Sarah would be bass-akward as hell.
You'd make money off of her, then have to get rid of it to keep doing her quests.

Just thought I'd throw that in there.

Which means it would always be unavailable to the majority of players. Only the poor would be able to do her quests until they got over the limit - this would make it as fair as the Carl quests which only the richer players can do. (It takes a lot more sP to get the map pieces than to qualify for Saggi).

PS: Or, as Jodie said, it's also available to players who don't mind handing their riches over to friends for a while.

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#27 :: June 22nd, 2012 @ 11:39 AM

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Jodie made another point that kinda negates that. It wouldn't be unavailable. Just annoying.

And my point wasn't focusing so much on availability as Sarah being the weekend quest would just be stupid. She has such a low limit, that if you increased her rewards, you'd get halfway through and be over the limit.
Sarah's fine as a normal quest, but letting her be a weekend special is just illogical.

#28 :: June 22nd, 2012 @ 11:45 AM

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Quote By @Archer:

Jodie made another point that kinda negates that. It wouldn't be unavailable. Just annoying.

You posted just as I added a PS to my earlier post referring to Jodie's comment.

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And my point wasn't focusing so much on availability as Sarah being the weekend quest would just be stupid. She has such a low limit, that if you increased her rewards, you'd get halfway through and be over the limit.
Sarah's fine as a normal quest, but letting her be a weekend special is just illogical.

And where's the logic in having a worthless weekend quest which requires players to spend millions of sP in order to access Omen Islands? I say worthless because enough people have reported his prizes are dreadful and hardly any better than his ordinary weekday quests.

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#29 :: June 22nd, 2012 @ 11:47 AM

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In my first post on this thread, I already said I want Carl removed.

Adding Sarah would make a bad situation worse. Removing Carl is much more logical.

#30 :: June 22nd, 2012 @ 11:54 AM

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Quote By @Archer:

In my first post on this thread, I already said I want Carl removed.

Adding Sarah would make a bad situation worse. Removing Carl is much more logical.

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after my posts about adding Sarah. I jokingly agreed with Paddy because his suggestion illustrates how illogical it is to include Carl's quests.

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#31 :: June 22nd, 2012 @ 12:20 PM

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I agree that Carl should either be accessible for weekend quests or taken out of the weekend quest rotation, because not everyone can access his quests. It's completely beside the point whether his quests are worthless or not - library or toy quests are almost equally useless, in my opinion. The more important issue is access.

Why have weekend quests when a significant portion of the userbase can't participate?

Edited: No support whatsoever on adding Sarah quests (can't tell if joking or serious

). There shouldn't need to be elaborate work-arounds (giving someone else all your money) in order to participate in something that, I believe, is supposed to be an incentive to everyone.

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#32 :: June 22nd, 2012 @ 12:34 PM

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Yeah, I don't think it's fair for the people who can't access Omen Islands.

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#33 :: June 22nd, 2012 @ 12:52 PM

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I don't have access to Drunk Carl, but I'm not really upset about it. ;s /shrugs
The way I see it... Saggitarius quests require 750k (or whatever the exact amount is), but somehow those quests are eligible for weekend quests. I remember a time when they were the weekend quest and I had to do literally every single other quest I could to amass the required amount to access him. The point is... I don't think it's unfair to those that don't have access. They don't have access, because they haven't completed the map. What about the people that have? Why should they get that taken away from them just because someone doesn't have access? If you ask me, Drunk Carl weekend quests should increase in payout, so that the people with access are compensated. I also think Sarah should be eligible for weekend quests, because she is a quest. I see no reason to exclude any quest from eligibility.

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#34 :: June 22nd, 2012 @ 1:10 PM

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Drunk Carl really isn't worth it, weekend quest or not. Those who can't access it isn't really missing much...

But I do think that Drunk Carl should be replaced with Toy Quests (which is the only non-restrictive quest not in the Weekend quest queue)

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#35 :: June 22nd, 2012 @ 1:16 PM

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Quote By Lirikai:

Edited: No support whatsoever on adding Sarah quests (can't tell if joking or serious ). There shouldn't need to be elaborate work-arounds (giving someone else all your money) in order to participate in something that, I believe, is supposed to be an incentive to everyone.

I was joking about Sarah's quests.

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I don't think it's unfair to those that don't have access. They don't have access, because they haven't completed the map. What about the people that have? Why should they get that taken away from them just because someone doesn't have access?

I've completed the map and I wouldn't regard anything as being taken away from me if Carl was available to everyone as a weekend quest. After all, I have access to the OD vending machine and most of what you get from there is the same worthless junk you can get from other vending machines.

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Drunk Carl weekend quests should increase in payout, so that the people with access are compensated.

I think everyone would agree that the payout should be increased.

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I also think Sarah should be eligible for weekend quests, because she is a quest. I see no reason to exclude any quest from eligibility.

Weekend quests are usually good for venders and restockers - people buy more expensive items from user shops because they know they'll get better payouts. Carl's quests are very bad in this respect because not many people who have Omen Islands access bother with them. Adding Sarah to the weekend quests wouldn't be good for venders and restockers either - as others have pointed out, poor players would soon gain too much sP to qualify while richer players would be barred from them unless they could loan their sP out.

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#36 :: June 22nd, 2012 @ 1:24 PM

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Sarah asks for food items. Why would vendors/restockers suffer from it? ;s

I was referring to Drunk Carl quests being completely removed, but now that you mention it, I also think bypassing map access just so everyone can participate in three days worth of weekend quests is being a little too much and going into catering. ;s

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#37 :: June 22nd, 2012 @ 1:34 PM

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Quote By @teatree:

Sarah asks for food items. Why would vendors/restockers suffer from it? ;s

The majority of players are too rich to do her quests or would soon become too rich to continue with her weekend quests. This means that very little extra food would get sold. Only those who want the 'poor' achievement (or whatever it's called) are going to loan their sP out and they aren't going to keep on doing this once they have the achievement.

Quote By teatree:

I was referring to Drunk Carl quests being completely removed, but now that you mention it, I also think bypassing map access just so everyone can participate in three days worth of weekend quests is being a little too much and going into catering. ;s

I can't speak for everyone who has access to Omen Islands but I'd prefer it if Carl was removed. This would result in an increased chance of one of the better quests turning up a bit more often. I made a lot of sP vending toys last week because the Computer Geek was the weekend quest. I'm not making much from restocking for Carl's quests.

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#38 :: June 22nd, 2012 @ 10:20 PM

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I support this. I don't have the map, and even if I did I wouldn't do his quests if his prizes are horrible

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#39 :: June 22nd, 2012 @ 10:37 PM

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I also think Sarah should be eligible for weekend quests, because she is a quest. I see no reason to exclude any quest from eligibility.

I'd just like to add that.... battle quests are quests too. So should those not be excluded either? Even though about 75% of the site could only complete the easy challengers (perhaps not even all of the easy challengers) while others can complete all 30?

Also isn't Item Hunt technically a quest as well?
Oh right, and the blue building quest too!

Basically... just because something is a quest doesn't mean it should be included in the weekend quests.

I think Carl should stay in the line up, though. His quest concept fits the overall weekend line-up, and ultimately it's not like one is FORCED to do weekend quests. If one doesn't wish to complete the map then, don't -shrugg-

Also the idea of him being added for everyone on the weekend is a bad idea. Talk about way to get the drunk carl achievements without being assed to complete the map ;P

#40 :: June 23rd, 2012 @ 1:13 AM

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@Pizza I agree with this! I think he does need to be removed from the lineup, mainly because not everyone can access him! I also wish the payoff didn't stink so bad!