Change to Crypts

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I know a lot of you are disappointed that the chance of making it through the Crypts ended at the end of Games Day. Well, I’ve talked with Blake and it appears that there has been a change to the Crypts!



When you make it to the end, instead of finding a random piece of treasure you are taken to a shop of sorts. You’ll be able to pick the piece of treasure you want out of all the items. You don’t necessarily have to spend that ‘treasure point’ right then and there, though I strongly suggest it because you only get to the shop if you make it through to the end.
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Posted by [NPC] Nico

Nicholas

I'm still looking through the forums, but did we get any sort of confirmation of if the Frankencluck pieces were moved from being final prizes to being random events during actual gameplay? Because if they were assumed to be random ones that occur and therefore not added to the prize shop then there is no longer a way to obtain Frankencluck pieces.
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Stella_Lumia

There should be an achievement for most times failing to get past the first door, because that's an achievement I could get - easily! That, and one for never making it past the first option of the Ice Fields, that'd be 2 achievements more me! All right.....................................................giggity!
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Sekhmet

Too little, too late.
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cartel

ofc this happens after the crypts is back to being its usual virtually impossible self. :/
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Marla

I've been on Subeta 2 years. Never, ever to the end. *cries*
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Taters

I really suck at these idk how people get to the end daily even. So I am glad to see that if I do make it, I can get the crown Ive been wanting for freaking agessss. Great update!
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Freak

Man, that's a shop I'll never see.
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Tucker

Wish I could switch my luck with the Ice Fields to the Crypts. I'm tired of actually getting to the end of the fields. lol

Searching for: Bucket of Polar Water
35 found in your shop Creator Destroyer

That's not even counting the ones I've used, sold, or gave away.
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Alcremie

Couldn't even make it past the Crypts yesterday however I have gotten much farther than ever possible! Could have tried more times yesterday though. I'm not good with games like these, I never make it through.
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odduckOasis

Since I don't have enough time to play games anymore anyways, and I suck at these games- my response to this is: "Meh".

That is all.
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Tarnished

This is perf because there is literally no reason most the crypt items should be so rare.
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Jamileigh17

I made it through three times yesterday, got 2 items and (combined) ~10.5m. Which was awesome, because I have spent SO much money training my pet, lol!
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Mike

The whole idea behind a rare item is being expensive, the laws of supply and demand state that necessarily, if an item has a given amount of demand, the less of that item that there is, the more expensive it ought to be. If an item can be earned, even if not in an easy way, it should necessarily be less rare and therefore less expensive than an item that can only be won through a matter of luck who's "luck value" that makes it more rare than the item that is earned. Also any item that is "unobtainable" can't be sold for hundreds of millions because, well, its not possible to obtain? The book is very much obtainable and there would be more of them if more people thought it worth it to try for that tiny little margin of victory. But they don't, so it stands that it should have a very high price tag, and the less desirable items that get one with an equal amount of chance should have a lower price tag. It IS in fact good for the economy for some random someone to win an incredibly valuable item through a game of chance (like for instance getting the last hit on a global boss...) and sell that item to someone who knows its value and wants it. If someone becomes suddenly rich they're likely to spend money, it's just the nature of people, money flowing in large values through the economy is good. Quite frankly I think that anyone who wants to complete a collection of any sort should necessarily have to shell out some big money. Aside from the genetech skin and godly weapons, some rare collectibles should and do have the most expensive price tags. We need a spread of ridiculously expensive items through as many mediums as possible to have a strong, long lasting economy. That's what keeps a game going.

As for picking the item, it is a bad idea to let people pick what they want because:
If they pick an item they want to keep, then a rare item gets released and never moves in the economy
Or for the people who don't want to keep any of the items, they are likely to pick the most valuable item. Several people do that and the item loses it's value, so the next most valuable item get's chosen and devalued and so on and so forth. Obviously if the odds of Crypts are kept as rare as they are this will take longer to happen, but it will still happen, and it isn't really beneficial to the site as a whole.

tl;dr We need RIDICULOUSLY expensive items in the economy, ones that will hold their value. Games of chance with extremely low odds are surely one of the best ways of doing just that. Making prize shops for everything decreases the value of all of the items not just the most expensive items, and devalues the game as a whole and is not helpful to the economy.
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Greg

Wow.
Amber, what about a genetech item for some of the useless crypts treasures? Talk about evil.
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Amber

They were not made easier today, btw.
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Lisa

Ugh, I guess I'll have to try. I need that necklace like my cats need catnip, lol.
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Greg

Wait were the Crypts made easier today too? Because I just got through on my first try o.o
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bulleta

I made it to the end twice back on the days I was playing it frequently hoping for a creeping sludge but I think that was it as far as my good luck goes, not even on game day I made it far
Now that the creeping sludge is available to get if you make it thru the end I doubt It'll happen to me again
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bulleta

Nice, now watch as I never make it to the last room again lol
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Hiallina

More items I will never get. Not once have I reached the end since I joined... but this is nonetheless a very nice change. :)
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Krystal

lol more items I'll never have :P
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CARACAL

regardless of never having made it through, this is a really nice change!! i mean i'd appreciate improved odds but
i've been after the misplaced jewelry for freaking ever and it's hella awesome to be able to have a better chance at getting them!! thanks subate staff m/
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Blanche

As someone who has never seen a creeping sludge around, I'm very happy to see this! If I ever make it again, there are plenty of wearables I'd like to have and wouldn't pay the current price for (if there's even a current price for some of them).

I disagree with people paying fortunes for every super rare item; if we must keep items that move big amounts of sp around, I'd rather have those items be things you earn, rather than things you get via being lucky. And I definitely think we have enough highly priced collectibles.
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Amber

I'm looking into upping the chances through crypts a tad bit. We want it to be hard to get to the end, but now that you can choose the item you want maybe a few more will pop around site. ;)
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Damon

Oh awesome I like this a lot, thank you.
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Muerte

Subeta releases a rare/expensive item = Users save up to obtain it = Subeta complains users have too many points = Subeta releases even more rare/expensive items = Users try to save up = repeat
Yes, it's fairly easy to earn some points, but there's a limit. And when the "normal Subeta user" has under 40m (which included the users that didn't spend anything and have billions of points)... It's really not that many compared how much people need to spend for any form of collection, let alone multiple collections.
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Gryphon

I've never found a frankencluck piece randomly. The only ones I've ever found randomly are the frankenpie pieces.

I think the change is great, but I it doesn't really effect me too much. It's almost impossible to get to the end of the crypts. I couldn't get there yesterday, even with the better odds. And in the five and a half years I've been on subeta I've only made it through twice. And one of those was another brief window where the crypts were a bit easier.

Impossible games on Subeta like the crypts, reflection (on hard), and the hustler have lost their appeal. Why should I waste my time with something I'm never going to win?
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Thomas

Didn't even make it through these stupid crypts yesterday. Spare a thought. I've tried so many times too hah, best I've done is room 8. So close, yet so far.
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Laur

I have yet to make it through... but this change will make me play more.
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StarShadow

This is nice. Too bad I only make it through about once a year. :(
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Author

Wow, this sucks.
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Lorelai

It would have been nice if this was done yesterday, but at least now if I ever get through again I'll be able to get the items I actually want :) Thank you!
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Andrea

Actually as an avid book collector who's worked on it for many many years vs. speed collecting crash I can assure you I had 0 interest in paying more than 50m for this book c

Subeta makes too many impossible to obtain collectables to warrant doing anything other than staying afloat unless you have a desire to blow hundreds of dollars on a masochistic set you cannot complete. Right now there are two reflection books unobtainable in our current lifetime a cd book with a questionablt existing pricetag and one more that's 400m. I'm sure a bunch for the forum shop thing are in the works, too.

It's one thing to make people work for stuff, but it's another to make a handful of unobtainable things then expect someone to fork over millions to someone else who's just lucky.

Ps: the odds of making it through crypts is ridiculous. Allowing people to pick what they want to sell is hardly a bad idea when most people would use/keep what they pick c;
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Lichen

Well, there's one shop I'll never see. lol
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Lichen

Well, there's one shop I'll never see. lol
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Satyr

i'd be more excited about this change if making it to the end room wasn't some freakishly rare lightning-strike type of event, aka the kind of thing i could actually expect to happen to me. my reaction as is is just kind of "oh" because i can't really bring myself to care about a change to the system of prizes that i already know i'm never going to earn.

good job?
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Carpathia

Yeah, agreed with everyone: the Cluck pieces were at the end only. And in the Crystal Shop once, where I got the left leg. I got the right leg twice yesterday, along with 10 million. The pie pieces are random. Though if the Cluck pieces become random, I'd also try crypts more often.
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Mike

I sorta think this was a terrible idea, it basically devalues all the prizes. You're decreasing the rarity of every item by a factor of however many different prizes are possible. Some items need to be hard to get in order to maintain a high price tag and create a flow of large amounts of sP through the economy at a time. The journal of a lost explorer was a perfect example of this. Avid collectors would pay fortunes for it, the person who got lucky enough to win one suddenly gets a huge amount of sP and very likely spends it all over the place. But now the price will drop fairly drastically to just a few times higher than the least sought after items, which may still seem like a lot, is not sufficient to get that large amount of circulation like you would otherwise. Ending the random prizes in favour of prize shops just kinda hurts everyone in the long run.
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Amber

All the items cost the same!
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Lantern

Yeah that's all well and good if I could only make it past the 4th room 8|
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Mana_958

Ohh I love this! Not that I've made it through more than a few times :P Including yesterday, but luckily I got something I needed :)
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Cream

What about the 10 mil? Can we choose it as a prize too? Maybe redeem our point for that??
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Sayuri

Ha! "End" *never even made it past the 3rd screen*
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usagi

@FLUX imo they should have brought back research notes in some form but that will probably never happen because reasons :(
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Jessica

No more 10mil??! :(
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Yuzu

NOW IF ONLY I COULD GET PASSED THE SECOND ROOM...... *twiddles thumbs*
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Skree

I'm hoping that it will be easier as well... Been a member here for 5 years and reached the end of the maze for the first time ever LATE last night.
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Cheshire

BUT I WILL NEVER MAKE IT TO THE END. XD
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Natsume

Ugggh. I've never gotten through the crypts ever.. EVER.. I still hate it as much as that time it was involved in a plot. But a shop at the end is nice at least. I hope I can be lucky enough for once :I Even with these increased chances..
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Xiocite

Do all the items cost the same?
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forcryinoutloud

Definitely like the option of choosing the prize, instead of it being random. Wish this happened yesterday though, since the one and only time I will probably ever get through (have been failing on the FIRST door almost all day today), I got an item I've no use for.
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Immortelle

I really wish this had been introduced yesterday. It was the first time I had ever managed to reach the end. :(

Please please make it easier to reach the end for one more day!
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manipulation

all of the items? even the book? Thats so not fair for people who spent so much to get it subeta!!!
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Chaosdawn

So is it still going to be a little easier to make it through? Curious if that's part of the change. From the sound of it, a few people (myself included) still couldn't make it to the end even with help. XD
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Inknote

No more chance for 10 mil?
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Fray

Aw man, one day too late. :( I only got a lame item yesterday and I would've loved to try this out!
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Natasha

Mannnn i wish this had happened yesterday, i will never get through again :D

But still, thank you for this! Maybe more of the desirable items will get to the market now :)
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Muerte

If only I could make it past the first couple of pages more than once a year.
@Amber The cluck items were at the end of the maze, not randomly throughout the maze. The pie pieces were.
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Ziva

a change to the crypts is always nice :p
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Lore

Thank you for the change, though I've only ever made it through the crypts once ever out of my 5 years playing, lol.
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usagi

Well this is exciting. Though I think it will be hard for me to choose delicate jewelry over something like a book so maybe it would have been better for me if it wasn't random. ;p though it doesn't matter much because I won't get through the crypts again for a long long time lol
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FLUX

Cool change.

Though I have to say that the Battle Day for this event was incredibly disappointing. All that was done was add a 'guide' to user written guides, released two opponents + ones that appear every year anyway and raise a few achievements no one cares about.

Why don't you guys add more stuff for battle shop and opponents? =/
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heartfelt

GRATS YOU MADE IT now exit left past the souvenir shop
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Malibu

Wish this had been introduced yesterday, that was the first time I had ever managed to reach the end. xD
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Darkrai

I've gotten 5 Frankencluck pieces (3 of the same :P) and they all came at the end. Frankenpie pieces are in REs through the Crypts though
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Varis

Wait, I thought that Frankenpie pieces and the Ghost Buddy were the only randoms? *confused*
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jersey

lol
On the "easier" day I only made it beyond room 3 once, so yeah, so effects me not. I have no subeta luck at all.
But nice that those that do find the end can pick the prize they want most.
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fable

really like this change! nice to know that whenever i do make it to the end (...if i ever make it to the end) i can finally get the item i've been trying for!
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frafty

I was disappointed that I didn't make it through once on Game Day.
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Amber

The FrankenCluck items are still random events you'll get while exploring the Crypts. The shop items are the prizes you had a chance for at the very end. :)
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Julia

Cool, hope I get through to the end again to see what it's like. :p
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Someone

Awww I just wanted to get the 10mil once xP
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lull

Curses I made it through twice yesterday, what's the chance of that happening again -_-;
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Carpathia

I like this! Though my odds of making it to the end again without help are slim. With a choice, I will probably pass over the Frankencluck pieces for wearables if they're in the shop.
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Lily

I really like this change. :D
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taffyann

Have never made it through so doesn't much matter :p
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Budgie

niiiice
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Darkrai

Thank you for the change but I wish it had happened yesterday because I got through 3 times and I got two items I didn't need :P
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