Beanbag NPC Contest Winner





The results are in! The entries were competitive, but there was a clear winner in this competition and it was:



Shanti by User not found: ursa!



Thank you to our runners up: Dybbuk, sanguine, Pop, cochetdeisopod and ScarletKilometers whose entries really impressed us and many other users!



Our winner and runners up will be receiving their CSC prizes immediately, and then we’re going to get our new NPC design fully Subeta-fied and drawn up by our art department, as well as our themed beanbag set to be awarded and released soon.



Thank you so much to everyone that participated in this competition. Tune in for the next one!
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Altruism

@Toby I'm of the opinion that being disabled (even if wheelchair-bound) doesn't automatically warrant your opinion being above all else's. I was stating my disabilities to make a point that people aren't hating on this character just because of her disabilities. It's easy to make other people the bogieman because they simply have differing opinions that you may not necessarily agree with. That, however, just causes more backlash to happen. For a real life example, take a look at this political climate that we're now in. (Assuming you're American)

I could easily do the same thing to you and insult you because I don't necessarily agree with the whole trans movement, but I'm not about to do that because I can recognize that there are valid concerns on both sides. We could all use a breather on topics such as this.

I hope you're right about the character's background being unfinished. I *still* feel as if it's out of place and just there to tick off some quotas, but whatever. Opinions are opinions are opinions. :)
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Flygon

@Altruism

If the immature part was directed to the people you pinged you really need to get a taste of reality because we are not immature it's probably you who is
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Flygon

@Altruism

Anyways it's your opinion at least yours isn't a hate post against Ursa
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Choco

Congrats!
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Toby

Like, if a lot of wheelchair users object to Shanti, I care about that because it's a personal issue for them, and they likely have valid concerns. If that's the case, staff should work on fixing the issues they have with the character.

If people who have no personal stake in the issue are just complaining because oh noes, a disabled character!!! checkboxes!!! tokens!!! unrealistic!!! diversity being shoved down their throat!!! - I don't give a damn. I'd love to have so few worries in my life that the existence of a minority character in a petsite shop was ruining my life.
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Toby

@Altruism

I have a whole string of disabilities too, if we're using that to back up our opinions. I'm autistic, I have ADHD, depression, severe anxiety, PTSD. I have CP or something functionally identical to it. I'm trans and pansexual. I could add even more things, but I won't.

Disabled people aren't a hivemind. Maybe you don't want representation, but some of us do, and think that it's very important.

The main anti-Shanti opinions I care about here are here are the ones of people who actually use wheelchairs. I think staff should consult with them the way they have with trans people in the past. Since you say that your disabilities are invisible, I assume that your disabilities (like mine) don't require you to use a wheelchair. I don't think we're the best judges of whether or not the character is bad representation.

Also, the character is not finished ... so I don't think we can necessarily judge yet whether or not she's good representation or not ... I figure her personality is like the sketch itself...
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Doe

@Altruism No, you haven't changed my mind. The point to the contest was someone different, so obviously being different would be a big part of it, probably the main part, crazily enough. People are upset because people with differences are being highlighted and that's silly. I don't care what anyone says. They can say the character isn't interesting, but people are flinging around way more than that in these comments. It offends them. It is too adult. It doesn't belong on this site because it messes up their fantasy escape. THAT is what I'm upset about. There is no reason this character can't be on here, so you didn't school me, at all. Please don't ping me again for nothing.
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Angelica

@Altruism yes yes I completely agree (that's what I meant by character development)! I voted for the Dillemma and Shanti was actually one of my last choices because I felt she lacked character. However, I was just shocked at how much hate is being spread on something that doesn't really even matter in my opinion. All I was saying was that people were overreacting, though I can understand why people would be upset. Just... We don't need to leave the site or anything because of it. I'm happy she's the new beanbag shop NPC since she's so adorable in the sketch, but I would definitely love for the staff to add more to her than just her disabilities. Sorry if I offended anyone, I hope this cleared that up.
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Altruism

Little late since I'm schooling, but... @Sunnie @ButterflyQueen @Toby @Guava @Doe

You people must understand that there is a difference between having a character with these disabled traits and having a character with the sole focus on those traits because "special". This character is definitely in the latter category.
I'm saying this as someone with chronic migraines, severe panic disorder, f*cking CEREBRAL PALSY, depression, etc etc. Like I said, I'm not the pinnacle of normality either. My "disabilities" are all invisible and neurophysiological. My brain, while seemingly normal, causes me intense distress on the daily. I don't think I've ever felt truly healthy in a long time.

But oh, I'm just another white "cis" female complaining about "diversity", right?! Clearly you feel the need to demonize everyone who disagrees with your diversity schtick as some sort of default evil. White men, for example. You looove to preach diversity but it's not diversity you're truly for. Diversity INCLUDES what you may call, the "neurotypical" and the normal. You EXCLUDE them, because for some reason you find it justified.

People have every right to be upset, even if it's for reasons you disagree with. It's not about the character being "different". It's about being "different" is all there is to the character. Do I walk around with a sign on my head saying "I have panic disorder and blah blah, please love me." No. I live my life despite it, and don't feel the need to be represented in quotas simply because I understand that you can relate to a character without explicitly having the same disability.

Boiling it down to "champions of the disabled" and "haterssss" just makes you seem all the more immature. It doesn't matter if this site is left leaning, but it DOES matter that you don't discourage independent thought. True democracy, whether you like it or not, comes with free flow of thought and information no matter how terrible the thought is for you to stomach.

Thank you for your time. I doubt this will change any minds, but SOMEBODY had to say it. You can't just look at some poorly written sob story (my opinion) and vote it in simply because it fits a bunch of diversity checkmarks. There needs to be some substance there, and that is why people are rather upset.
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Annet

I know User not found: ursa has made up Shanti and I have also read ScarletKilometers has made the one with also a jollin beanbag, but which of the other characters where made up by which of the other users?
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LadyMeridius

I would rather they narrowed it down. Some of these entries are ridiculous to scroll through. Sometimes there are 100s of entries and I don't have time for that.

I like the idea that those that clearly don't meet the requirements are left out, leaving the viable entries for viewing or instead of only 5, have a top 15-20
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poppet

Staff gave us every entry in the home brew contest though, and basically the best drawn entries won because the sheer amount of accompanying text was so overwhelming.

I much preferred having a narrowed field in this contest instead of having to deal with being distracted by entries that weren't up to par and sorting through tons of backstories.
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Reekoh

@Cassandra - ....yeah, like how they let us all vote on all the cake entries from the previous contest. Some were clearly there for whatever entry prize there were, but other cakes were works of art. I'm sure us users are capable enough to deduce good entries from the bad without the staffs help. But my only point was, again, that they could have narrowed it down and removed all the ones that didn't fit their parameters and left us with the many that did to vote on, rather than just 6.
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Kennedy

Congrats <3
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Kennedy

Congrats <3
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NEZU

@Poet I second that, it's fair to be upset that you didn't get first, but saying @Dybbuk that she """played the game better""" and commenting you should've made them a rape victim is disgusting. Be grateful you still got your reward and were a finalist which such a sickening viewpoint.
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Poet

@Dybbuk I'm so glad you didn't win with a bad attitude like that.
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Flygon

*burns alll the hater posts* lol anyways Ursa your awesome and don't forget that :)
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howl

love it!!
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Annet

@Genevra
All what you say why you have voted for Shanti and why not, are also my reasons. I like the picture and her background story makes me smile the most of them all.

Calliope and March would be also great and if one of those had won, it was also good. Despite they have some things who are recognizable on a confrontational, mirror-reflection way for me. I seems younger than I am, like March, (That's not always pleasant) and I am pretty adventurous like Calliope, where I have also to deal with some obstacles with misunderstandings of a different culture than she has more common with her home-culture, just like me. Her life will also not only going about moon-shine and roses, I suppose so. But they are not lesser or actually better than an other of the candidates. They haven't just won the contest. Maybe an other character than Shanti will winn an other time. That would be also great.

It's pretty personal and relative what can hit someone by a background story of a character.
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Vanilla

I really love this character. She seems so lovely and sweet :)
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Genevra

I'm happy Shanti won. I didn't vote for her based on her disabilities. Honestly, I think walking up to someone and saying, "Hi, I'm disabled" is kinda weird and no one should "win" on the merit of being disabled. That isn't a qualifying thing, and being disabled does not make you a good person or a brave one. I'm on government disability for ....things, and I am so tired of being told I'm "brave" No, I just am here and doing what needs to be done, just like everyone else. Her disabilities were not a factor. I voted on her because she has a plausible background in making beanbags, has solid tie-ins with other NPCs, and seems like she'd be nice to have a cup of tea with. And she likes cheese. I'm also very fond of all things Saherimos, which was a major point in her favor. I thought her character was well thought out and enjoyed the explanation of the real-life inspiration. Her sketch may not have been colored but it was expressive and endearing. I thought she was the best developed character offered, as a whole. Calliope was also a top favorite and I would be pleased to see her somewhere on the site.
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poppet

It was so disappointing and spoke volumes that another finalist's comment was so bad that staff had to actually delete it.
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cochetdeisopod

@Dybbuk i'm a little salty too but im not going to crap over someone else's success. and saying @ursa "played the game" still comes off as disrespectful. like, people who aren't like you exist. i feel like you wouldn't have said such a thing if Shanti was a white girl named Sharla that didn't need to use a wheelchair..
you made it to the finals of just like 5 or 6 people out of the millions of users on this site who might have submitted. dont be an ungrateful dingus lmao

I think Shanti's design is very cute! it would have been a blast to win that spot myself but i think her win is well deserved! can't wait to see her official portrait!
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METROID

@Taters
I get what you're saying 100%. When you meet someone new, you usually don't say, "Hi, i'm so-and-so, and have autism, so i don't like big crowds." You do what normal folk do, "Hi, i'm so-and-so. What's your name? What are you into blahblahblah..." *later on while walking through a mall* "Btw, sometimes crowds bother me, so if I seem uneasy, that's probably why."

No need to drop the autism label; anyone can be affected by large crowds and not have autism. Or you could have autism but have the coping skills to overcome that weakness.
For me, the latter would make for a more interesting character trait because it shows willingness to overcome problems and not letting the disability control your life and what you want out of it.

You can't change the cards you've been dealt, but how you play them is what matters.
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anachronism666

congrats to the winner!
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They

Finally some disability visibility! Thank you!!! ♥♥♥
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FireFlea

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Silvermoon

@Vinushka
Good point about the affordability of chairs. Thank you for the information about your family too. The manual chair does make more sense now :D
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Taters

I really need to stop reading all the comments. We really cant have nice things, can we?

I will say though that people throwing around how racist anyone is who wasnt in love with specific charas is really not cool. My issue was not at all related to race or looks or anything, I was voting most for story and fit in to the site. Im sure my saying Im white and cis makes me seem like I have no right to say anything (Which is so false, Im so sorry I was born as I was you guys. After all its super cool of people who dont want to be judged by that to expect anyone not of a minority where they live is just a judgemental asshat) but everyone has issues and I dont judge based on them.

My issue with a few of these wasnt really the whole 'token minority, mary sue' whatever, but the fact that even if this was for a inclusive nonrepresented sort of npc it feels weird how we are defining the characters on JUST the disabilities.

As someone who has many issues with both physical pain from a disease, as well as mental health things to deal with, I just feel weird. Idk if I will explain this well. But lets take a shot lol. I do not go around and say 'I am my ocd, I am my insomnia, I have one ovary, dont look at my other traits but focus on my failings' Most people literally have no idea I suffer from anxiety, let alone the bigger issues that are life threatening. Its not because Im not proud of who I am, but because I dont constantly think about it. I am first and foremost in my mind a creative person who is outgoing and loves to inspire people. Yes ocd and other things are part of me, yes I do tell some people, no I am not ashamed, but I and many others dont sit around thinking 'I am only my disease' even when they suffer from things like cancer.

Of course one in a wheel chair has more obvious disability, and Im cool with that. I actually love that in terms of being a perfect user of beanbags and it fits great. But adding on this and this and this as well and oh yeah this other thing that has been hard for them makes it feel less realistic. Not because of the whole token thing, but because most people outside of their internet blogs or whatever tumblr things dont go around saying "Hi my name is, please be aware I have all these problems and judge me on that instead of my being as a whole"

So yeah. Idk. Im not trying to disagree with anyones feelings. I love that new sorts of people and many lifestyles and health matters come in to play. It just makes it hard to not feel that whole desire the ocs designer had was to make them tick off all the boxes. Ya know?

Not like it really matters in this situation. Its a drawing on a pet site. I just wanted to add this feeling I have because I know some people will relate and understand why some commenters are not exactly excited about this. It isnt a natural feeling addition, probably in part because of the contest being all about unrepresented sorts. Unlike when npcs like the awesome trans dressmaker in shengui, or quentin, or even the whole story with elsie just felt like they were smoothly added. Not because of What they are, but because they just fit in seamlessly.

Either way Ill shut up not. Sorry for the wall of text. I did not expect it to happen, am glad subeta is so open to all sorts, and holds such contests when they dont have to! Its awesome users are included in creative parts of the site so much more frequently now.

Also total congrats to all the entrants! Im still hopeful to see the whole pile of ideas. I want everyone who took time to participate to be appreciated :)
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Cassandra

@Reekoh You can't assume the quality of the other entries was any good. That was a staff decision. :D
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Reekoh

@Cassandra - I'm not saying I had a problem with the category, but surely there were more than 6 entries that fit the "under-represented" clause put in by Subeta. That was my only complaint.
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ChibiStraws

@Doe THANK YOU! You put it so much better than I ever could!
People don't get to decide to hide what OTHER people are/what HAPPENS to other people, because it makes THEM uncomfortable. It doesn't work like that.
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Doe

@ChibiStraws It's the same "reasoning" I hear everywhere else for tv/video games/books/movie/etc, lately, which is why it's annoying me to see on Subeta (one of my escapes from the outside world and negativity, which is partly directed at me, since I'd be considered "diverse"). Subeta has always been a VERY inclusive site (which it's proving again, by wanting less represented types of NPCs to break from the usual), so I'm not even sure where all this "new direction" and "left-leaning" and whatever bull is coming from. It HAS to be the recent political atmosphere (with people feeling their representation is going down because someone else's is going up) in the world, which also seems to be suffering from not wanting diversity and progress, but that's another talk for another place. It's upsetting that people are upset about this. A girl in a wheelchair, who happens to not have a very happy background. So what? We KILLED off a child in a plot a few years back, hardly anyone got upset about that, but this girl in a wheelchair is "too adult" and "upsetting". We have sexual innuendo and sex and death jokes flying around here like crazy. We just recently had that awesome same-sex wedding! This site has been geared towards the older teen/adult progressive type player for as long as I can remember and I've been here a long time, none of that, a wheelchair, a PoC, or hints at sexual abuse or something should be such a problem. Someone being SEEN in a wheelchair shouldn't be a problem. THINKING SOMEONE IN A WHEELCHAIR, BECAUSE IT MAKES YOU SAD OR WHATEVER, SHOULD NOT BE SEEN, IS A PROBLEM. The whole world is like I've stepped into Crazytown, lately, and it's spreading into this game. THAT breaks escapism, not diversity. Not everyone is going to be white, able-bodied, and have a perfect background. If that bothers you, enough to make you quit or whatever, wrap yourself in plastic wrap and never leave your house or town and stop going online because that's the world, it's made up of awesome people; flawed and different. I mean, people are saying the character is bad, I admit it could use some tweaks, but saying it's flat or outright bad; she is a flawed character who makes the best of her situation and talents, like a REAL person, that makes for an interesting character. What the heck is an interesting character to people if not someone who has a few blips in their lives? This is my last visit to the news because I almost just can't believe this stuff. I just can't wait to see Subeta spiffy her up and she becomes an even better character. Ursa made a great character and so did the other entrants.
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Arkanea

Thank you @Keliora!
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Rii

@Poetry

Hooomg yes. As I'm undoubtedly living in the same country as you, hommmmggg yesss positive Muslim characters would be great right now.

But yeah. Alana from Anne McCaffrey's books is such a BAMFin' character I wouldn't think of her as a Mary Sue but she scores well over 200 on the litmus test so...Mary Sue qualities do not a Mary Sue make, even in large quantity. There are even examples of Sues that score very, very low on the test and would ordinarily not be Sues (no examples come to mind but I think the litmus test named one). ^_^; I think ultimately you're right about it being thrown around without...fully using it correctly (or possibly understanding what it means. I've encountered many people who all think it means that you put yourself in as a character in a story.)
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Annet

@VOLTAGE
Quote:
OMG this clusterfuck over a shop NPC
This is why we can't have nice things.
I believe I understand you.
It's always a bummer if a few people are only able to react angry or rude. They strikes unfortunately, but I'm aware the most people are plain glad for Ursa and liked to follow this contest.
So that few ones who are so angry has no influence on me and I'm still praud of it the character I have voted for, won.

Cheers!
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Solo

Wonderful diversity. My son was thrilled at seeing an NPC just like his best friend. Beautiful sketch, kudos to the creator @Ursa you did a wonderful job.
'something soft for my tush' It's the complaint most often lamented when we have to break out the older model wheelchair for visits.
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Angelica

I am honestly so shocked by all the hate that's being spread on a VIRTUAL PET SITE'S new announcement for a FICTIONAL CHARACTER.
While I did not vote for Shanti (the Dillemma was SO cute, let's please put him somewhere else on the site), I am happy that she won. Sure, the art is a simple sketch, but it's cute nonetheless. And the "something soft for my tush" part definitely made me smile!
I do however see why people would be mad, but I think so many people are overreacting. Yeah, I personally agree that she does have some character/background flaws, but at the end of the day she's still a nice character. So can we please, PLEASE stop hating on everything? Some polite criticism and suggestions for the Subeta staff is okay, but we don't need to be leaving the site or stop collecting beanbags just because you don't like a certain aspect of her character. I think Shanti is so adorable, though I agree that she could use some character development. But I'm not bringing down others or complaining because of it. Plus, fair is fair--Shanti won because she had the most votes. Please respect that.
I'm really excited to see what the staff do with her character, and congrats to @Ursa! Looking forward to see this delightful character run our beanbag shop. :)
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Written

@Rii thank you for that criticism of the "Mary Sue" comment. I get tired of hearing that thrown around everywhere, kind of like how everything was "ironic" some years back. It simply isn't true most of the time.

Personally, I voted for Fahimah because I like to see more positive, explicitly Muslim characters. In my country, especially under our current leader, we need more of these.

But, still, Shanti is pretty cool! Congratulations, @Ursa! I think you made a lovely character and I look forward to seeing how Subeta transitions her onto the site. I loved the art, too...Yeah, it's "just a sketch", but that's a heckuva lot better sketch than I can do on my best efforts!
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Vinushka

@Silvermoon It isn't necessarily more realistic to have a motorized chair. My daughter's mobility is extremely limited due to bone malformation, autoimmune and chronic pain issues, so she uses a wheelchair when we leave the house. My son is severely brain injured and needs his chair any time he isn't in bed. Both have manual chairs. Motorized chairs are incredibly expensive and not everyone has insurance that will cover them. So unless this NPC is intended to be high income, i'd say the manual wheelchair is reasonable.
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ChibiStraws

@Doe I was thinking the exact same thing.
If inclusivity upsets you to the point that you need to scream about it being "forced", you really need to take a look around you. If you want a sanitized version of the world where everything and everyone looks and acts just like you, and no one has more than one easily-fixable problem at a time, I'm afraid you'll have to make your own little bubble.
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Doe

Some users are apparently "alt-right" because this upset over some diversity is insanity. Haha!
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Keliora

For those wanting to take a second look at the entries (click for bigger):



Larger image art links: Kanyin || Fahimah || Charlize || Calliope || Shanti || March

Yay for forgetting to close tabs like always! Also, ughhh so much sCode I really hope I didn't bork anything. :/
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Britney

left leaning lol really since when is being in a wheel chair left leaning omg these days lol the world is crazy just be happy for the winner <3 I thought all of them were amazing wish they all could of won :D
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Sunnie

I didn't even vote because I couldn't decide on one lmao but congrats!! She's cute, she'll make a great NPC.

The people who say it's pandering must not know a lot of different kinds of people :P And @Altruism, complaining about the site getting political and left leaning... really??? How is someone in a wheelchair political? And I imagine it's gonna be left-leaning considering the creator of the site is gay and like half the userbase is LGBT (including me) lol....
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Britney

i voted for shanti woo
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FCoD

No need to get upset because holy shit, just turn on the news. Much worse things to expend that energy on in this messed up world.

All of the entries were awesome btw.
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Able

Congrats! Not who I voted for but she's a QT! Can't wait to see her in action!
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Poet

Yeah, I think you're all WAY overthinking this. I personally didn't even read any of the descriptions because I'm lazy. I just saw a cute girl who reminded me of Cherrl from Azure Dreams and was like "yep! You're cute, you'll do". Not everyone saw that she was several minorities and chose her for that reason. Also, who cares that she's a sketch? We weren't asked to draw the actual image for Subeta. It's supposed to just be an idea. It doesn't NEED to be more than a sketch.
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Silvermoon

@Avel
Oh yes. Sand, one of my old archenemies. Even motorized chairs don't go in that stuff.
The matted areas actually work great! Can't get right up to the water, but at least up in a good beach area. Maybe Delphi will need some renovations :D
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Arkanea

Oh I completely missed the voting phase, is there a way to see the other entries now?
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Avel

I'm not disabled myself @Silvermoon but comfort might be a reason why I do see many more motorized ones around my university campus. I don't think I see anybody using a manual one.

The only concern I'd have about Shanti and her wheelchair would be where sand is concerned (I remember reading an article in a newspaper where they put a mat on a beach so people with mobility problems could get closer to the water), but if she's sticking Centropolis for a shop, then she should fine.
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NEZU

For everyone claiming this is forced diversity and a token character i will create 5 new lgbt/mentally ill/non white/disabled ocs. Funny how apparently my existence is such a wild concept for people to understand.

For real though according to all of you my existence is unrealistic and unnatural. I'll just take my gay mentally ill disabled ass elsewhere I guess, have fun in your boring little bubble ;)
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Dracona

yes! the one I voted for!
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FelineDreams

@dandelion lmao totally agree ! and congrats to all the finalists and the winner of this contest. *walks away eating cake*
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Willow

All I have to say.....


Sheet caking...I swear its the only way to handle things these days.
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Silvermoon

What o.o The sketch won? Woah! I voted for her so I'm especially happy. I really thought she had a poor chance of winning because of not being a colored art piece. I think her design is going to make for a great shopkeeper. The Subeta staff are wonderful at putting ideas into execution.

Random question, for anyone that deals with chronic pain or knows of someone that does. I use a motorized wheelchair (for a form of muscular dystophy), and am wondering if it would be more realistic for Shanti to have a motorized one as well? I know from past experience that those manual push ones are not the comfiest things to sit in, especially if they don't have some kind of nice seat cushion. Plus the fact that it takes a lot of effort to maneuver around. Would both those things complicate the pain?

And yes, some of my own personal bias is in there as well. I hardly ever see any representations of a good modern electric wheelchair, rather than a fancy futuristic one :D
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DjMexican

Look at all these HATERS!

Congratulations @Ursa, my dearest apologies for such rude hatred.
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LilyValentine

People saying that her only personality aspect is basically being cheerful while using a wheelchair...sorry, did we read the same entry?? I thought she had the MOST personality of the entrants; that's the main reason I voted for her. There's only so much you can do with a brief character description.
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loopa

congratulatons Ursa, well done!!
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Christopher

#notmybeanbagshopnpc

/s
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Jai

Yay! Shanti was my favorite and I'm glad she won.
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Fray

Also on a side note I love how people are saying "wow the token character won"... about a competition that specifically asked for under-represented minorities. l.m.a.o
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Fray

Oh my god I cannot get over all the stupid comments here. I absolutely adored this character and she totally got my vote!
But... seriously? You guys are really whining because she "ticks too many minority boxes" and because the art was just a sketch?? Y'all are pathetic, honestly. Shut the fuck up, it's an NPC on a pet site.
Big congrats to User not found: ursa on getting your character picked! <3 she's adorable
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Bliss

Congratulations! I love Shanti.
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Solas

Don't know what is going on but the picture seems ok to me *shrugs* wish I had the talent to draw and make my minds stories come to life on paper.
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twocents

I can see why people are annoyed at the checkbox-esque features of both this winner and some of the other entries.

You can say that "I, as a person, also meet a lot of minority checkboxes, so I'm just a ~Mary Sue~" but that'd be deliberately misunderstanding the point. I doubt you describe yourself in a series of "how much of a minority am I?" boxes. People are more than just a list of "how pathetically sad is my life?" and honestly, reading some of these stories people are providing below of their "woe is me" friend... I can't help but wonder how much your friend would like you to describe them as the Debbie Downer, whose life sucks, and everything about it sucks, but golly gee, you somehow are their friend anyway!

IDK, I tend to think of my friends in terms of their qualities and what makes them unique and likable... I wouldn't describe a friend first by their disability and second by the stuff that makes them a cool person.
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Riptide

Way to go, User not found: ursa! :D Congrats! Nice job, everyone ^^
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twocents

Quote:
Contests like Camp Veta : THERE ARE TOO MANY ENTRIES, THERE SHOULD HAVE BEEN PRE-SELECTION OR PAGINATION EVEN THOUGHT I WOULDN'T HAVE LOOKED BEYOND PAGE 2 I CAN'T SPEND ALL DAY LOOKING AT ENTRIES LOL

This content : WTH, WHY WERE THINGS PRE-SELECTED?

Subeta, can you make up your mind?
Surely there's a balance between "no pre-sorting whatsoever, so inappropriate/inapplicable entries get through, and dumped in a user-unfriendly format for you to sort through" and "here are six options for your consideration."
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ney

also yeah, to echo everyone else: just because a character marks more than 1 check off the "minority" checklist doesnt make them unrealistic. if your worldview is so narrow you cant fathom someone being ____ AND ____ then i think you should take a step back to realize how much larger the world is! we arent created with as check list in mind thats like "oh this person is white so they can be in a wheelchair, but this person is latino so it would be too much for them to also be gay!" like this isnt dungeons and dragons, we arent given 5 skill points to use sparingly. maybe the character seemed flat but its not like every npc on subeta has a 10 page backstory. half of the shopkeeps dont have any info but their name :/
19

Kingdomhartsgrl

Sweet! I'm glad Shanti won!
2

Toby

@Vinushka

Apparently my best friend is a Mary Sue as well. I better make sure they actually exist. I haven't met them offline yet, so maybe they're just some kind of sentient fanfic character? :-o
10

ney

thered be so less drama is she were white and in a wheelchair lolz

my only wish was that we could have voted on all the entries from the get go because i prefer that way D: plus i think it speeds up the voting process since the veta lake contest didnt have such a gap between submission and selection (iirc???). i do think this entry still would have made it to the top 5 tho bc she cute
4

Flight

I'm not upset that she won but she was the most bland to me. She just came off as a 'GoodPersonTM' and not a real person (for a given value of real). Still, like, its the beanbag shop. Y'all need some chill.
10

Gintama

Well done, @Ursa !
I had such a hard time deciding on the vote, but mine did go to March. March was just so adorable to me.
0

kuzi

(ok but my god take a deep breath and maybe try to think of the fact that it's just going to be an image... on a virtual pet site.... that doesn't really affect you personally?)

congrats to the winner!
9

Flygon

Grats Ursa and Yay for Shanti win
2

Wisdom

@intermission I love the fact that your name is intermission and you took the time to put a break in all the shenanigans to be like "So about that eclipse".

10/10. Best comment here.
6

Vinushka

I have to chuckle a bit at the 'Mary Sue' comments. Like i said before, Shanti's description is basically my daughter, minus the fact that my kid is nearly albino pale. Never realised she was Mary-Sue-ish. :-p
7

Toby

@Muerte

haha it's so true. Someone could make a character that's literally me (femme trans man, pansexual, fat, autistic, various mental illnesses, partially-invisible physical disabilities, possibly converting to Judaism) and people would go "that's so unrealistic and pandering!" Although I am white, so there's that.

But uh... nope, I do actually exist last I checked. Maybe G-d was just pandering when They created me? lol.

And I have several friends with chronic pain, including my one friend Yeleste who specifically loves Subeta beanbags. So.
14

Ciel

Too bad little Kanyin didn't make it. He was by far the most fitting for the beanbag shop.
11

Toby

@Casey

Your criticism is totally valid and important, and I hope that staff takes it into account. <3 It would be great if staff decided to get some input from wheelchair users while making Shanti, similar to how they've asked for input from the trans/nb community in the past. I get the idea that they'll flesh her character out a more, similar to what they need to do with the drawing.

Personally, I didn't see Shanti as inspiration porn, but it might be because I was thinking so much about my best friend who has chronic pain and loves Subeta beanbags when they're on Subeta. And maybe kind of - projecting my friend onto her? (My friend doesn't usually need a wheelchair, it's just the chronic pain + beanbags thing.) I can't go back and see what the description was like so I'm not sure how much of a personality she had and how much of it I might have been filling in. Also for some reason I thought of Fluttershy from MLP:FiM, something about the pets around her.

But I don't want to talk over someone who actually uses a wheelchair. The opinion of wheelchair users is the only opinion that really matters here, IMO. Not that everyone who uses a wheelchair would have the same opinion, like you're some kind of hivemind, lol.

I'm just annoyed at the people who think any kind of representation is "token" and "pandering."
10

Stiles

Oh my
5

Annet

@NancyBlack,
Quote:
the person who created her has actually had cause to deal with. Her personality is a bit flat but that's because there's limited space to develop a personality in just a few paragraphs. I'm really looking forward to seeing her Subetan art and learning more about her!
That's what I actually mean. You say the things better than I. ^_^
Thank's I'll remember this point. :D
3

MagnificentToaster

I'm confused as to why people keep griping about Shanti's "token"ness. At least three of the five human NPC finalists were POC, two of them were autistic, and one was nonbinary. I also read both Shanti and the bean-farmer (Fahima??) as from low income backgrounds (though I admit to not having memorized the details of each submission). And, as people keep pointing out, Subeta asked for NPCs from less-represented demographics. So really, if we're talking about checking token diversity boxes, almost all of the submissions did that. I agree that human trafficking is a little dark, but it wasn't included in the submission, so I rather imagine that as "inspiration" rather than "rock solid required character backstory". Human trafficking is a very real, very close-to-home problem in some parts of the world, and I don't think it's offensive for @Ursa to have used that as inspiration for creating a character that means something to her.

I'm not saying Shanti is my favorite character ever and that she's a perfect creation, but I am saying that there seems to be a whole lot of overreacting going on here.
6

PetraKore

@Casey

I see what you mean but I respectfully disagree. Putting aside the limited space for personality description, I can list several other traits Shanti has, either inferred from her art or from her background. Aside from being in a wheelchair (which isn't a personality trait) and being compassionate, Shanti is a skilled seamstress and designer, organized enough to both run her own business and run an informal school on the side, and extremely creative, given how many beanbags there are on Subeta. She's community-oriented and a successful businesswoman. I can no longer reference her design entry for other stuff.

Anyway, I'm sure we'll find out more about her once she's added to the Subetapedia, as well! I'm sorry this is so hurtful for you. It sucks to be defined only by your disability, which is where there was another entry I didn't like even though they were a perfectly plausible person with the disability I have.
4

Rii

Holllly heck I should not have read the comments. That really is a bad habit I'm developing.

Kay well...I...am utterly shocked at the amount of people upset about wheelchairs, representation, yelling "pandering", especially becasue I had thought this community was really inclusive and making a new minority character was kind of the big point here but...

Lemmie address a different complaint: Mary Sue. Many of us are writers, as am I, but I've spent a lot of time disecting Mary Sues so lemmie caution you not to judge her on that right now. Literally all you have is a bullet list of attributes, and there are SO MANY beloved characters who would totally be Mary Sue if you just made a bulleted list of traits and backstory points. I mean, take Harry Potter:
-Orphan
-Lives with abusive aunt, uncle, cousin
-They force him to live under the stairs with nothing and never celebrate his birthday
-Is a pretty good kid anyway with strong sense of justice
-HAS MAGIC!!! :D Who knew?
-Not only has magic but is the most famous person in the magic community for killing The Most Evil Wizard when he was a BABY! (kind of). Who knew!?

I mean seriously. It's the execution of the character that matters. And either we won't see much of her as just a cheerful shopkeeper (which would make me pretty sad) or we will see plenty of her and she'll get time to flesh out.

That said, I also feel it important to remember that "bad things happen but the victim chooses to be cheerful as possible anyway" is a red flag for ground for a Mary Sue to grow but also literally toooonssss of characters have that really basic premise and even more real people do as well. You probably know at least one yourself, if not a handful. So I don't feel like it's fair to say, "bad stuff happens but nice anyway" = Mary Sue. From what I've observed, what tends to be the most painful Mary Sue aspect of a Mary Sue is everything falling into place for them, especially in the way people interact with them - Neutrals and Protagoists love them and only Bad Guys do not. That makes a lot more for a Sue than just a person overcame a trial and kept their smile. Subeta Staff have shown that they know how to make varied and interesting characters that we love, so I have faith in them to take this skeleton and do it again.

I also hope that maybe we might still see some of the other characters. It was really hard to pick and I mentioned earlier I wound up choosing based on what I thought would get the most potetential storytelling (like a crush on Quazim). I really wanted a non-human shopkeeper, and I sooo adored the autistic ideas and hope that we get some autistic representation anyway, soon, too. The Shengui-Guo/er, horned person race character (Calliope?) was also just super adorable...just, overall, it was really hard to pick. Frankly, even though I'm pretty typical in many respects (my one big minority atypical thing includes four common mental illnesses and OCD), I love seeing how these minority characters get fleshed out. Because in the end, they're all just people too. So I'm not getting the "pandering!" hate.

I'm also not getting the "oh it turns out Ursa also got inspiration for Shanti by child trafficking and her off-this-site-not-part-of-the-official-entry cannon is that she WAS a trafficking victim!" panic. I get that that's a super uncomfotable issue (I really, really do) but...since she didn't include it in the official entry and Subeta staff has the full ability to not include it at all and probably won't straight up do so, it's a non-issue.
25

Quaint

Congrats to the winner! I personally voted for the Dillema because I thought it was more fitting for a beanbag shop, but Shanti is pretty cute too and I can't wait to see her finalized artwork.
2

Avel

This is a lot of drama for what will essentially be a picture in a shop.
13

Ratrick

Quote:
Personally, I'm deeply disappointed. I don't think this design should have been a finalist in the first place.

No, not for the reasons others have stated. I'm actually an autistic nonbinary wheelchair user, (not "wheelchair bound," PLEASE stop using that phrase, friends.) I'm happy to see some aspects of myself being recognized and represented! I'm all for diversity! It's just that out of all those wonderful inked and colored entries, this one was just a quick sketch. I'm sad on behalf of everyone who put a lot of effort into this, only to have this be the winner. I know it wasn't an art contest necessarily, but the personality was lacking, and I'm disturbed knowing that the backstory is rooted in human trafficking. (http://subetaspeaks.tumblr.com/post/164373791705/hi-im-shantis-artist-i-guess-its-pretty-obvious) I'm glad to see myself as a wheelchair user represented, but the whole thing makes me uncomfy with the backstory, lack of personality apart from 'a good person,' and the art being uncolored and sketchy, with no discernible facial features. I mean, she's got a dot for a nose, and two dots for a mouth. I'm curious as to how staff will redraw this, and what color palette they will choose, considering they're working with almost nothing. It's a good enough entry, I don't blame anyone for voting for it, but I don't believe it should have been chosen as a finalist in the first place. I had to say something. I feel so torn because I am so so happy to see an NPC that uses a wheelchair like me, but I feel weird about this entry still. The artist still deserves a congratulations, and I trust that everyone made a good decision and that staff will turn her into something great. This can still be a good thing, but I'm iffy on it for now. I hope I don't offend anyone with my comment. I don't mean to upset anyone, least of all the artist. I do think Shanti is cute, and I hope to see her developed in the future! Congrats to everyone who entered, by the way. They were all lovely.
I'd like to clarify what I said earlier.

I talked about the art aspect more than I intended to, but when I said 'it's not an art contest,' I only meant that the entries shouldn't be judged on skill level or style. It is still a design contest, and the character should be unique and have recognizable features. Based on the drawing and the text, I don't know what color her eyes are, or if she has a wide nose or a thin one, etc. It's strange to me that this design is so basic, with almost no substance, and still won. Staff is going to have to make things up as they go, picking a color palette and determining her features. I can't tell if she's wearing a dress, baggy pants and top, or a tunic with a skirt. It's hard to discern anything in the image. When I say it's not an art contest, I meant we shouldn't be picking the best artist or voting for your favorite style. It is a design contest though, and there isn't any character design to speak of. The art is super cute, and I don't mean to suggest otherwise! I just can't begin to imagine what she will look like on-site. I trust staff will do a fantastic job, but they shouldn't have to do much of anything and they're going to need to start from scratch.

I feel really really uncomfortable with this entry, and last night I was having a hard time putting words to it. It's not just the background rooted in human trafficking. It was something else, something personal to me as a wheelchair user. I think it's that she has no personality apart from being a wheelchair user and a good person. I have no idea what she likes to do besides make beanbags, or who she really is as a person. She has no flaws, or quirks, or anything. Her entire identity is being disabled and helping the poor and homeless. I think part of what makes me uncomfortable is that it's essentially inspiration porn. Give that a Google if you haven't heard the term before. It's sfw, it just means using disabled people as props to make abled people feel good. Usually depicted as angels without flaws, and it's dehumanizing and gives disabled people like me unrealistic standards to meet. We are told we are worthless and a burden on society unless we are exceptionally talented or give back to charity, and then people write articles to fawn over us. That's exactly what Shanti is. It's hard because I've wanted an NPC that uses a wheelchair for so so long, but to have bad representation like this hurts more than having none at all. I get that staff meant well by running this contest, and that all the artists, Shanti's included meant well by trying to represent groups they don't necessarily belong to. But I think in the future, it might be best for staff to talk to people in the minority groups and/or do research for future NPC's because I'd love to see Subeta full of diverse characters, but I hope for them to be done right.

When I leave the house, people only see me as "wheelchair bound" or as a "wheelchair person" as many users have called wheelchair users like me in the comments below. People don't see me as a person, they see the chair. There are two kinds. People who scowl at me, or push my chair around, or call me names, treating me as less than human, and muttering in earshot about how I'm using their tax dollars. Then there are the other people. People who tell me I'm brave just for existing, people who hug me without consent, people who take my picture again without consent and post it online for likes. They'll give me two free samples instead of one, and as I'm rolling off say they were "trying to be nice to the cripple kid because they're suffering." They tell my wife that she's brave, for loving someone like me. People call me an inspiration or an angel, but as soon as they see I have any flaws or a personality outside of being disabled, I'm not cute anymore. They treat me like garbage again.

I think why I was so upset is that Shanti doesn't feel like a real person. Not like the other entries did. Her description reads like an inspiration porn article about a "wheelchair user defies the odds by running a business and helping the poor and homeless." I really want to like her and I want her to be more than just a person in a wheelchair. I know I am. But I see her and I feel bad, because I've been treated that way, seen as nothing but disabled and inspirational, and it makes me feel sick. I'm conflicted because, again, I know everyone involved meant well and I should be grateful to have any representation at all. I don't mean any disrespect to the artist, or the staff, or anyone who voted. It's just, I can't connect to her. She's like a two-dimensional cardboard cutout. I want to know her better. I want to relate to her. I desperately want to see someone like myself as an NPC and I'm grateful to everyone who made it happen, but it's bittersweet all the same.

I'm not sure how to feel, but I hope that my input as a wheelchair user was helpful and didn't hurt anyone's feelings. She won, and I trust that staff will translate what's there into a great design and give her a personality. I'm sure this can still be a good thing and I don't mean to rain on anyone's parade. The art is cute, and I appreciate the effort to include people like me. I'm cautiously optimistic, both for Shanti and other NPC's to be added: trans, autistic, muslim, etc. I just hope they are all done justice. I don't mean to be negative. I know there aren't any other sites that would even bother to try and I am grateful for the opportunity. I cried when I found the Medicontra shop because seeing things aimed at my demographic is so so rare, and so please know that I am grateful and appreciative, I just want Shanti to be the best she can be.
37

PetraKore

Human trafficking is a real issue in basically every country but I think most of the Subeta userbase lives in places where it's not focused on as much or where trafficking victims tend to get sent, not taken from. I can see in that context why Shanti's intended backstory was jarring but I think it's really rude to dismiss her backstory as 'mary sue' when it relates to stuff that @Ursa, the person who created her has actually had cause to deal with. Her personality is a bit flat but that's because there's limited space to develop a personality in just a few paragraphs. I'm really looking forward to seeing her Subetan art and learning more about her!

BTW I think it's pretty messed up to complain about token minorities in an NPC contest where minorities were specifically asked for. As a chronically disabled woman it hurt me to see people say that chronically disabled characters shouldn't be on Subeta because it's too 'sad'. Please think about the fact that your experiences are not universal before dismissing something as being too tragic to even think about or deal with.
14

EmCee

First off, this wasn't a fucking art contest. It was a create-an-NPC contest. That means that while a rough draft is offered to the community to go with either a rough description or a full description.. it's NOT final. Things about Shanti will possibly change visually and lore-wise. I'm okay with that as long as her spirit is still there. Regardless of if someone sketches or colors an entry.. it's still as viable an entry.

People complain time and time again that there are too many entries to go through and this time Subeta did it for us. People still complain. Nothing will ever please this site when it comes to how contests are ran. Bless staff who deal with his indecisiveness..

On-topic: I voted for Shanti. Not because of the "mary sue" persona that people keep saying she has (eyerollplz) but because of what she represented. Shanti overcame a lot of obstacles and is helping others in the way that she feels comfortable with. How that is a "typical token" is beyond me. I identified with her on a personal level too. To know that human trafficking was a part of her origin story makes me appreciate her efforts even more. I didn't feel like User not found: ursa was speaking from an expert's standpoint, I felt like she was speaking from a personal one that incorporated details that her friend has shared with her while protecting them.

All of these NPCs were incredible and I hope to see more of them in our lands. I really think all of them have some real potential.
But Shanti is my NPC and I'm so happy and blessed to know that there are other users who appreciate the time and effort that Ursa put in to creating Shanti. Wheelchair users deserve recognition too. Those who have fought their way out of abuse deserve love and appreciation.

Everyone has a story. Take time to get to know people before you pass judgement. That includes NPCs. :|
If you don't like the inclusive nature of Subeta, maybe this isn't the site for you.
24

omiai

yes! this is the one i voted for :3
1

Moondrops

People don't have to "leave" the site just because they want to complain about something. People have just as much right to voice complaints as other people have to voice praises. Complaints and praises are both valid forms of feedback and both are necessary for improving oneself/a site/a business/etc.

This character isn't great. Inclusivity for the sake of having "representation" doesn't automatically make a good character. She's literally a fucking token and people are valid in being irked by that.
16

Kevin

Please don't actually leave subeta because of this. Realize that it's not a big deal if you're unhappy with it for whatever reason and move on, but stay and continue to support subeta.
9

Jenni

You know shits gone down when there are over 100 comments on a news story. xD
15

Xenalicious

I don't get all the chaos. Subeta wants to be a place for everyone. And having NPC's that reflect everyone is society is good. Shanti was a clear winner for me. I would love to see all shades and images of society on this site. Subeta is the most amazing place on the internet. It never stops surprising me at how simple OUTSTANDING it is. A safe place to be yourself and hide from all the bullshit real life is at times. <3 Gratz to the artist.
8

FENNEC

If you don't like the entry so much leave Subeta. We don't care if you do, bye hate! Hello new character:)
7

Hoshi

Thank goodness one of the token characters won! Representation is SOOOOOO important, and Shanti fits so well into the clearly-established Saherin child trafficking (oh, uh, I mean "homelessness") subplot staff has had brewing for a while now.

Since Subeta is so big on inclusion, here is a list of aspects of myself I currently don't see represented on-site:
-major depressive disorder
-ADHD
-PTSD
-childhood abuse survivor
-drug addict sibling/parent
-sexual assault survivor
-atheist with buddhist leanings
-liberal disgusted by the constant barrage of identity politicking

Y'all on notice. Chop chop.
9

breIoom

Thank goodness. The other entries just felt empty.
1

Cylum

Can we see the runner up entries??
2

intermission

y'all see the eclipse?
23

Kevin

@Jimmy
You can be anything you want to be if you try hard enough! :)
7

HYPEBEAST

I'm able-bodied, white, cis... but with mental disorders. Am I still an asshole?
4

Iknimaya

To clarify, I'm not trying to be snarky jic my post might come off that way. I thin this is a great opportunity for Subeta to so something good in real life instead of just in the game. Like a special weekend where x% of profits go to a charity to help human trafficking victims.
2

LilyValentine

Shanti had my vote. I didn't vote based on art because the art was going to be adapted to fit subeta's style regardless. I voted for the best personality.

I would love to see Kanyin used somewhere else because he looked SO cute, but I didn't think he was the best thought out entry FOR THIS PARTICULAR NPC SLOT. Fahimah was also exceptionally well-done and again, I hope to see her used elsewhere.

ALL of the entries were great and it was hard to choose.

The notion that it's "pandering" to have someone who doesn't fit more than one of the "other" boxes one can check off on a list is absurd. If you're disabled, you have to automatically be a white cishet individual because your existence is just too far from "normal?" That just shows how you view the world: that everyone who isn't like you isn't "normal," and it's just too difficult to fathom that someone could JUST HAPPEN to be that different.
6

VOLTAGE

OMG this clusterfuck over a shop NPC
This is why we can't have nice things.
28

Iknimaya

Personally I think it's great subeta is bringing awareness to the issue of human trafficking and I look forward to them proving their commitment to showing us they genuinely care about this serious, real world issue with a fundraiser for a charity that specializes in helping human trafficking victims. I suggest Polaris. With such a big user base and a site that has such passion I'm sure subeta can raise a lot of money.
3

Mackenzi

Can we stop talking about people's features and aspects of their lives as checking boxes? Stop looking at us like that...
19

Disasters

@Muerte

I think I love you right now! Your comment is just perfect! I'm so glad to see you and so many other standing up against the hate that's been spewed in these comments!
2

capper09

who win?? sorry... i vote her too, cause i love the way the pic was drawing... like a skizze... nice...
1

KRAKEN

@Ursa Congrats on the win and the beautiful character!
2

Rii

@Nami I alllmost voted for the Dillema, for similar reasons (I also thought he was a cool entry and the hilarity of a plushie demon running a beanbag shop was not lost on me)

but then ultimately I went for Shanti because she has a crush on Quazim and the shipper in me got really exicted that maaaaaaaaaybeeee we might see some more NPC interaction of a romantic inclination? (Also she is really cute).

Overall I found it a hard pick but I love it when NPCs interact which they do a lot, and...the potential for the types of interactions here most interested me.
3

twishu

Why did people not have an issue with the entries when voting was open, especially given how small the entry pool was? Why only complain now? If an entry really worried you and was legitimately objectionable, speak up sooner.I have been disappointed before when my pick didn't win in a voting context, but there is no need to go on a site and insult and belittle people. You can disagree in a respectful way.

Shanti was one or many excellent entries. She might not have bee the most beautifully drawn, but an entry does not need to be perfectly drawn for it do be creative and interesting. You can get the feel of a character from a sketch and description. I also don't see how she is a "token" or a 'mary sue." Why is it always pandering anytime a non white non cishet character is represented? These people exist in the world an their existence is not "pandering", "token", or "mary sue".
23

Francine

Great job Ursa! I voted for her, she's awesome!
6

ren

congrats :) I can't wait to see how the staff artists draw her!
2

Muerte

It's funny, I could create a character like me but since I'm not what people force as "the norm" it would be called "pandering"
I could pick a random event from my life and make it into a short story and it would be "forced diversity"
Despite both of them being based off of real life, and by definition not forcing any gosh damned thing, people would blow a fuse over how "clearly forced, SJW PG pandering" it is.
Get over the fact that able-bodied, cisgendered, straight white people aren't the only people in this world. Aren't the only ones that consume media. And aren't the only ones worthy of having a space in stories.
55

Annet

I have my understandings if some people didn't prefer realistic based themes which compare with true issues in the world of reality, but could it be the power of art on Subeta itself to handle with realistic subjects on a more bearable or other great way the news hasn't. That's the difference between art and plain facts on the news I believe so.

Maybe Santhi has got a plenty sense of humor like Blake Steel or Elwood. I just try to share my thoughts the background info are in the first place ingredients to made up a character with a plenty of possibility's how it will develop.
1

twishu

Yay! It was a tough choice between all the entries though.
0

Nami

Congrats!
I voted for the only option that wasn't a human, because we already have many human characters, wanted to see a different one for a change, too bad the pet didn't win :P
1

Julia

@Sketch

Wow, you must be sore after so much stretching! You have to know that's not what I was saying at all.

The NPCs aren't pandering. Real people aren't pandering. Bye!
9

Thanatoast

I think @Jollin hit the nail on the head with this one. But the likelihood that this character will do anything more than have a single sentence in her shop and maybe a few lines in the 'pedia is low. So ¯_(ツ)_/¯

now, more anthro NPCs plz
3

Altruism

Ugh... More pandering. Grats to the winner, but I'm sick of the pandering mess that a lot of things have become. Gotta be all "inclusive" now, don't wanna offend anyone, am I right? And I'm saying this as someone who isn't the pinnacle of normality myself.

I hope this site doesn't become even more political and obviously left leaning over time. It's a nice fun pet site at first, but it's starting to become a liiiiittle obvious.
14

kytten

Having severe chronic pain i gravitated towards Shanti immediately. i loved all of the designs but Shanti stole my heart, i'm so glad she won! Grats Ursa!
5

omnibless

@kingsman ...a concept where a character lives is worse than the concept where some kid gets thrown into the sea. It's that attitude which shames people into not talking about these things. Statements like that blame the character for imposing rape, sex slaves, and pedophilia when it's just their backstory. They lived through it, they're not perpetrating it. -_- This site has always had dark elements. People are just picky about "appropriate violence." Doesn't exist.
15

poppet

Congrats User not found: ursa!

Glad to see staff on the ball, deleting comments here and hopefully enforcing rules and community guidelines otherwise.

For the people who object to Shanti based on her disability/race/poverty/perceived "otherness" or whatever:
25

Victoria

Congrats to the winner!
0

Tali

I'll never understand why we are so hostile towards each other on this site.
Anyway, congrats Ursa! I actually love how you put so much thought in not only her design, but her character as well.
7

Higanbana

Glad to see the NPC I voted for won! I really found Shanti endearing, plus the line 'something soft for my tush' really amused me.

Can't wait to see her drawn by the folks of the art team.
2

PinkSapphire

Congratulations, @Ursa!

Why does everything have to dissolve into an argument? :(
1

Wisdom

@Kingsman I couldn't agree more. There's a time and a place to raise awareness of awful things like that, but this was neither.
4

Mackenzi

If you are quitting the site over diverse NPCs then good riddance!
29

Mackenzi

Congrats to the winner!! I am not all about child NPCs but I am sure she'll fit in great to the Subeta world.

Now WHO made Kanyin and can I draw fanart of him??? I already miss him he's so perfect and wonderful <3
2

Dice

At the end of the day, this character is just going to be a shopkeeper NPC; they're going to have their image in the shop, get maybe three lines in the subetapedia, and there's an extremely small chance they'll make an appearance on the rare occasion we have a plot. That's it. Nothing else if going to change because of this. An NPC who's a wheelchair user is way overdue, and I'm really looking forward to seeing the final design.

There'd be complaints regardless of who was chosen, whether any of the final six or any other entry, because this is Subeta and apparently we can't have anything new without a fight about it first.
18

what

Surprised that people are reacting this way, especially since entry =/= final product. Staff aren't going to have the exact same picture and character bullet points as the entry, this is just a scaffold for the NPC. Most of what the NPC is going to do is be a picture on top of the beanbag shop page anyway.
7

BlackBobcat

I've been so busy IRL I forgot this was even going on x.x however I love that character! Great job Ursa!
1

Jeheace

I don't know... this character looks a little SKETCHY...

No, but in all seriousness, Good work and congrats!
4

Targaryen

Congrats Ursa! I think Shanti is awesome! A very moving story!
1

Horror_902

@omnibless I don't think the issue is that people don't like the character because they don't believe the situation or somethinh, it's because they dislike the concept. I know Subeta mainly has adult players who would like nonchildish NPCS and plots but I really don't think a character whose back story involves rape, sex slaves, and pedophilia involved human trafficking is appropriate for Subeta.
12

omnibless

forgot to include inmates, elder folks and mental patients. Plenty of people are at risk of physically impairing violence.
0

Selaphi

Congratulations sweetie! I'm happy my vote and many others helped your lovely character win. :)
0

omnibless

I shouldn't have read so far down the page >:(
Consider yourselves advantaged/sheltered if you don't believe in a disabled and human trafficked character. There are different kinds of rape rehabilitation which includes physical therapy. War hostages, abducted and sexually abused women and children exist with such trauma induced handicaps.
If their appearance alone affects you negatively, it's stemming from your own toxicity.

This character meets the criteria for a character design. Her description is rough which is where Su could step in and spruce up. Congratulations
13

TaleSpin

Congrats to Ursa, Shanti is a lovely character! She wasn't the one I voted for but she was my second favorite. The only thing I personally didn't like was that she likes cheese because ew, cheese. XD I'm not sure why people are getting so worked up. I thought all the entries were great. I'm sure she'll be a welcome addition to the site!
2

Annet

@Disasters

I'm entirely agree with your point.
I love the difference of artistic styles on Subeta. Besides the Subetateam will work out Santhi. So she could become sketch-less and become beautiful on an little other way tough. (I hope so).
Anyway there is indeed no reason to have so much trouble with a sketch-winner at all.
2

Deceit

Eh, I can't say I voted for her because her 'pure as sunlight' personality was boring to me but fairs fair. I'm sure she will fit in just fine.
6

Suiicune

Congrats Ursa :D
1

Annet

I mean recognizable. :blush: The sketch is cool and I will be exithing how the Subetateam will Santhi works out. So exiting.
0

odduckOasis

Congrats User not found: ursa. She's a cute char. I didn't vote for her, but I almost did. lol. Can't wait to see her fleshed out into a full NPC we can all love to see when we go into the beanbag shop.

Also, to all those complaining about this: grow up.
1

o0SnowyOwl0o

Come on people get a grip! The Subeta team asked for an underrepresented character, they got an underrepresented character.

Honestly, I think Subeta once again picked a very bad time to do this contest. Right now people are extremely tense everywhere for a wide variety of reasons (people being triggered over statues, terrorist attacks, racism on all sides, identity politics, etc...).

For the so-called "progressive" people crying out bigot, bigot, bigot... you guys are not helping. Character assassination is a cheap, petty tactic used by really insecure people who often times only want to feel good about themselves instead of doing good. Get a hug, some therapy, volunteer, aid a person in need or whatever helps you get a grip on reality. Name calling makes you look terrible and lose all validity. Find long-term solutions to problems that work for ALL people instead of complaining and getting butthurt over a person's opinion.

Instead of fighting each other over a FICTIONAL CHARACTER why don't we actually find something to agree on and move on? Agree to disagree maybe?
Yes, there is some iffy stuff about the character, but just like mental illness, sex trafficking is still to this day a very real thing happening to all types of people.

It's great to see a new character concept introduced. Congrats to the winner!
10

Maewen

Congrats Ursa! I'm pleased Shanti won. It was a tough vote. My son has autism so the characters like him appealed to me but I have chronic pain and migraines (though not nearly so bad as to use a wheel chair) so Shanti was a natural choice. It was fun to see all of the unique creativity!
2

Disasters

I honestly have lost so much respect for the subeta community. Everyone bitches and whines when contests are about who can spend the most money, or that there are TOO many choices and it should've been put down to just a few to vote on, yet when staff do a contest EXACTLY like people have been saying they should, people get all bent out of shape. Shanti was an amazing character, so were the others.

Shanti got the most votes. That means the majority of users wanted her as the NPC over the other characters. If you don't like her, that's fine. But there is NO need AT ALL to attack Ursa for making a character that she has indeed based on things that she has said happen very close to where she is.

You don't like the back story because you think its too sad and depressing? I'm sorry that you want to live in a rose colored glasses type of world where everything and everyone is supposed to ignore the bad around them.

For everyone bitching about child trafficking, she LEFT IT OUT of the characters story because she didn't think it would work well on Subeta but you're STILL bitching about it?

Honestly I see a lot of comments here from certain people and am shocked at the sheer negativity and senseless attacks.

Yes Shanti was a sketch, so what? The contest was about the CHARACTER and NOT the art. Subeta Staff are going to draw the character how they see it, so why does it matter if she made just a sketch? No where was it stated that things had to be in full color!

It's sad to see that when Subeta tries to bring more diversity to the site, because hey we actually have MANY disabled people on this site, myself included, people bitch and moan that it's pandering. I'm sorry that you feel those of us who are disabled shouldn't be represented and anytime someone tries to represent us, its pandering. Kindly wise up and realize that there are a LOT more disabled people on this site than you realize and ALL of them deserve to be represented just as much as anyone else.
55

stardust

They are smol and cute. I love them already.
3

Nuke

I wanted to add in support for this design: I also LOVED the connection of "person with chronic pain" + beanbag chairs. As someone with a chronically miserable back problem, I'd love to have beanbag chairs to lounge on all the time. Dream job honestly.
7

Nuke

On one hand I'm frustrated by the constant portrayal of disabled people as meek babies, and also characters that are obnoxiously selfless etc

But on the other hand it's a shopkeeper on Subeta and I can't bring myself to care enough to waste my time getting super mad. People making characters win "minority checklist" attitudes is nothing new (not even saying it's particularly the case here) but I'd prefer representation like this over the attitude of "don't put disabled people anywhere that's real life this is subeta" or whatever weird-ass arguments like that pop up.

I'm happy a cute drawing won a contest! I can't draw for shit so I'm always happy to see peoples' nice artwork, especially if it leads to something becoming official on a site. Can't imagine how great that must feel, and then how terrible a lot of mean-spirited comments must feel right afterwards... of course not all criticisms are, and dismissal of valid criticisms because "don't be mean!" is a little much.
12

Puncture

C Sticker
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D Sticker
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kudos to the winner/runner-ups & good job on all your entries.
44

Hunger

Congrats, Ursa!
I didn't actually vote for her, but it was a really tough choice, I thought all of the finalists deserved to win <3
1

Maskros

I'm genuinely curious why very few people directly criticise any specific character in the comment section (and by this I mean naming them specifically and direct criticisms toward them rather than bundling them up in a more generic critical comment that can apply to more than one character at once) when the voting is going on, but many would choose to lash out when a winner is chosen. Is there a reason why direct criticism is generally held back during the voting process but is okay to be voiced, sometimes quite harshly, when the final result is announced? If you want to persuade someone to vote or not to vote for a character for reasons you feel are strong enough, isn't it best to do the persuading during the voting process and not after?

I'm sure staff will find a way to include whoever is chosen into the site lore so their story will fit into the site as a whole. Although human trafficking is Shanti's background story that might be subject to change to fit in with the Subetan world. Anyway Shanti is just one character in a world occupied by many other characters, and there are always other characters that we can engage with if we care more for them, that's all.
16

Ambition

I am SO glad she won - congratulations @Ursa I loved this design so much!! :D I am disabled, so this makes me so happy - really excited actually!!

I also really wanted the girl (who's name I forgot) who had woken up to a new modern era from Shengui Guo to win because I thought her backstory was SO DARN unique and clever and tied so well into Subeta-lore. However, I hope that @subetastaff will somehow tie this type of character story into our storyline with a different character set.
13

FLUX

Personally I think the character is adorable. I didn't get to vote in the contest but c'mon look at that sketch.

I do however also understand people's gripes to an extent - positive discrimination is indeed a thing.

But at the end of the day it got the most votes, it's hella cute and let's be honest I don't think the Beanbag Shop is suddenly going to become some sort of anti-trafficking organisation that will upset the people who think it's ~too sad~ and ~not realistic~ (has anyone of you read the news, like, ever?)

Congrats @ursa.
7

Starfleet

Yay! That's who I voted for!
2

LadyMeridius

WHY are people butthurt over a shop graphic? Seriously? It doesn't change the content of the shop FFS You can also block the image if its that offensive to your sensibilities 9_9
7

ScarletKilometers

@Ursa I like how both of us drew our characters with Jollin beanbags. I didn't notice until now amd I'm weirdly delighted by the coincidence. Congratulations on winning, your character is super cute and I'm happy to have her here!
3

PiplupMagby34

@Toby
I see where you're going with what you said in your post. I have a relative who's disabled, but it's not easily seen by most people. She recently got ordained as a minister.
And I watch MLP, and I love Fluttershy as well! Such a sweetie! :heart:
1

Annet

Congratulations! All background story's are great. I have voted for Santhi because I like the style she was draw. I hope the subetateam will keep her regnozible. She is now so adorable! :heart:
2

Rah

Congratulations to @Ursa! I did love your entry, as I have a friend with Ehlers-Danlos syndrome (that results in chronic pain) who has to use a wheelchair a lot now, and she crafts to keep busy. She also volunteers a lot - I suppose because she's faced such pain, it brings her joy to alleviate the pain of others. I could see that in your character design. I'm pleased to be able to bring somebody like this onto Subeta.

I think she's going to fit into our world quite nicely. The human-trafficking aspect was not included in the submitted backstory, it's unlikely to be included in our version. As to being too 'Mary-Sue' or 'just a sketch' - this is actually perfect for our team. It's just the template we can work well with, and our Shanti will now be fleshed out! (More so if she's used in any sort of plot/site event. As it is, she's mostly going to be an image on the beanbag shop page)

I'm not really of the opinion that whenever we include any kind of minority it's 'pandering'. I seem to hear that every time somebody wants to be more representative, and it feels rather ridiculous to me. We asked for underrepresented character designs, and the submissions we had I could easily agree fit that bill. As to playing to an audience - I'm actually a little surprised that a full colour design DIDN'T win. From past competitions, the best drawn images are usually the ones to win.

We're happy with the direction this ended in, and looking forward to introducing our Shanti into Subeta!
52

Toby

Do some of you not know that disabled people actually exist and play Subeta? Part of the reason I voted for Shanti is because my best friend Yeleste (who isn't on Subeta right now partly BECAUSE of their disabilities) has severe chronic pain AND loves beanbags on Subeta. They had all but like 5 beanbags a couple years ago, so they were a pretty serious collector here, and I'm sure they will be again if they get the chance to come back to Subeta.

Sometimes they have needed a wheelchair or other mobility aid due to various aspects of their illness - someone might not need to use a wheelchair due to the pain itself, but due to whatever is causing the pain. For instance, Ehlers-Danlos syndrome, a connective tissue disorder. One thing it can cause is joint dislocations. (That's actually one of the less bad things...)

Like, I'm autistic so I was drawn to the autistic characters too, but the coincidence of beanbag + chronic pain was just too much like my friend to pass up. Especially because my friend is also super sweet and kind like Shanti. Sometimes people who are that kind, caring, unselfish etc really do exist. I'm lucky enough to know one of them.

I'm disabled too, even though I don't need a wheelchair. Something like 1 in 5 people in the US are disabled. It's not exactly rare. I imagine that the percentage of people on Subeta who are disabled might be even higher, because it's a type of activity that is more accessible to disabled and/or chronically ill people.

I didn't really get a Mary Sue vibe off Shanti. I also imagine her kind of like Fluttershy from MLP:FiM. If I imagine her talking I hear Fluttershy's voice.
35

Tammy

Sorry not only did I love her story, I thought the art was adorable, sketch or not. The art was never going to go straight into the system, it was an idea, one that would be redrawn by Subeta artists. Giving them a cute sketch that outlined what she is supposed to be is all anyone should have done. If others went beyond that, that was their choice, but if that is the only reason people are salty of the winner, I just don't get it. She is adorable, Great job!!
8

Sketch

@mouse
You have any idea how hypocritical you are being? Calling people ableist and God knows what else is going through your mind because they didn't like a fictional character. If I don't like the personality of a black character, let's say, or think they were badly written I'm a racist?
Also, yes, it's pandering. There's a difference between a character being a woman or gay or whatever simply because and when it's clear as day they are what they are for the sake of inclusion, what is the case of Shanti. And yes, I know Subeta wanted this, what I don't agree either. Inclusion isn't inclusion of it's forced.
7

Nicole

This is awesome. Congrats, Ursa!
0

Vars

imo i feel like folks are projecting the "mary-sue" quality onto her more than she deserves; i voted for shanti because (to me) she read as a character who overcame trauma and went on to pay forward kindness in her life that she didn't receive. someone like *her* wasn't there for her when she was a child-- and so she is that *someone* for children now that she is grown. there are a LOT of charity groups that have folks at their core who suffered, and then went on to work the rest of their life to try and end that suffering. this isn't a "goody-good-good" concept, at least to me; it's human. maybe i missed more to it than that? but it feels as tho ppl with gripes about her see this character as an unrealistic do-gooder when she's just a gal doing her best.

i also voted for shanti for two other reasons: PoC with disabilities are severely underrepresented even in their own communities, and chronic pain/illness are absolutely not understood or recognized by the vast majority of abled folks. i'm extremely biased tho bc i have chronic pain which leaves me with mobility issues; the only difference between shanti & myself in that respect is that my illness is invisible (on some really bad days i'll use a cane but honestly if it's that bad i just don't go out normally which isn't productive but).
32

Vestele

Congrats Ursa! :)
0

Shiny

Congratulations Ursa! And to all the other finalists too - I had a hard time voting!

I myself live with severe chronic pain, was a full-time wheelchair user at one point and now only part-time. For that and other reasons Shanti was probably the most relatable character /for me/. So although I voted for a different entry, in the end I was pretty happy to see this character win. I should have known better than to read the comments.
In real life, The Forces That Be don't look down and say "Oh whoops, that person ticked too many minority boxes! Better tone it down a notch. Only 1.5 minority traits per person." That's absurd, but that's something mainstream media creators seem to believe, and what critics yelp about if creators dare to not follow that idea. "It's not realistic!!11!," ffs there are talking fantasy animals and zombies and aliens and an angry sea goddess here. Yet there are actual living people very similar to Shanti.
I assume that no matter who won, the Subeta Team would tweak them to fit within the established Subeta narrative. I don't think Shanti's backstory is too far out of place with some of the heavier/darker themes Subeta has brought up before, but we'll have to wait and see what the canon story for her becomes. In the mean time, she's an adorable girl who is a wheeler user and POC. Nothing about that should be objectionable.
23

Laurey

Also staff had said before the contest that they were most interested in characters representing people who are not really represented on the site currently, so I'm not really sure what some of you expected in terms of entries...
12

Julia

Congrats!! Shanti is super adorable and the perfect NPC for the Beanbag Shop! :)
1

mimic

Congrats! So happy she won! :)

Remember, users of the site voted for her the most, so please don't be bitter. All the entries were great, and maybe we will see the characters elsewhere.
3

Laurey

Subeta has always been a more "adult" version of a petsite, it's technically supposed to be PG-13 and not just G or PG like a lot of the others. There's a wide range of thematic and violent elements that can be included under the PG-13 banner that are more on the adult or young adult side of things without being graphic enough to warrant an R or X rating. We have a character that exists solely for the purpose of making dick jokes, but a girl in a wheelchair is too grown up for the site? Come on, guys.

Anyway, it was a tough choice between all of the entries. I like the idea of using the Shengui Guo character in the future or something though, the "tries to adopt the new modern customs and slang but doesn't really get it right" thing is such a cute idea.
26

MarchOnOff

Where can we see the runner ups? Please let us know.

Congratz, Shanti, predictible Subeta, voted other, knowing who the winner would be from the start. And I'll stop my comments here...
4

Puncture

Quote:
I have been in the top 10 of beanbag collectors for years. Today I stop collecting. The choices were from a very narrow new direction. Subeta will end up being a very small community of minorities and the silent majority will go. I was just made aware of a 7 year player who has left. I predict there will be more.
... over a new shop keeper?

._____________.
oh dear, more beanbags for everyone else??
46

Skylar

Seriously... some of the comments about Shanti are disheartening.

About the "she's a Mary Sue" argument: Yes, she has a "tragic" backstory, but it's not unrealistic. Human trafficking is a real issue, whether you want to believe it or not. People are disabled and wheelchair bound in real life too. Shanti's experiences have driven her to be charitable and kind. This is also realistic, as some people are fortunate enough to get past their tragic background and move on to be better people. (This is something I'm trying to do myself.)

Nothing about her character screams "look at how different and special I am, please love me". It seems like she wants to be seen as an individual like everyone else, not as a statistic in a wheelchair or as a human trafficking victim. If you see her that way, then maybe you need to reconsider how you view people.

About the "incomplete art" argument: Really people? People hesitate to enter these sorts of contests, because they feel like their art isn't good enough. Now that someone won who's art isn't up to your "standard" and you're complaining about it, people are going to be more hesitant to enter next time. For contests like this, it should be the concept that counts... not the execution.

Anyway, I'm very happy Shanti won and I'm looking forward to seeing her as an NPC. Congratulations User not found: ursa! :)
30

Karasu

I love how people are complaining about how "human trafficking has no place here," but are completely ignoring the fact that a few years back the subetateam KILLED off a CHILD NPC.

Note: Have been to SE Asia and it is a much bigger problem than what people may want to believe, esp someone from a Western country where they have had child labor laws for atleast 3-4 generations.
25

MagnusTheRed

I'd like to see the entries again, I forgot who she was (and the rest of them).
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intermission

this was a wild read
11

Feline

Congrats on the win, Ursa!
While she wasn't who I voted for, she does have a lovely design. I considered every angle for my vote (personality, appropriate for the shopkeeper, backstory) and while she wasn't my top vote, she came a close second - I wasn't expecting to see a clear 'you must vote for me' while voting since you can't please everyone and there will always be things that will irk you.
For me, I'll admit I found it hard to relate to her personality and backstory. While we do share one ... aspect? trait? area? (I'm not sure what word to use here, please excuse if I upset anyone) in chronic pain, the backstory was so far out of my world that I had nothing to latch onto and say 'I understand'. The seemingly lack of flaws threw me a little too, there was nothing for me to silently agree with and have a 'gosh, me too!' moment with, but this is something I'm sure can be worked on if need be, I trust the staff and Ursa with this. She didn't really come across as 'too nice' or anything to me, I know people who think the same way as her and donate to charity and volunteer when they can, etc. I honestly wish I had the courage and confidence in myself to do that too!
The things I listed are certaintly not a bad thing by any means, things I have not experienced is always a learning opportunity, just in this case there was an entry I related to more, but honestly, there is no need to rag on Ursa over this. At the end of the day, it's just a competition about a fiction character in a fictional world, and remember, not everything can be perfect and please everyone.

Again, congrats on the win, Ursa. Please try not to let the negative get to you too much.
6

sanguine

Congrats to Shanti! If I hadn't made finalists I probably would've voted for her. Congrats to my other finalists as well, I hope you had as much fun with your characters as me!
2

Puncture

This is why the world is the way it is, everyone has something negative to say about everyone and everything - even a game.....
What happened to love? Is it too cliche???
17

METROID

@HADES
Discourse is always going to occur, no matter what. We feel something first, and don't acknowledge it until later when it becomes relevant again. That's how the human brain tends to work; emotions and thoughts come up from every stimulus, but we don't always realize or recognize those right away. Or we don't say anything until later because our brain was still trying to make heads or tails of why we feel the way we feel about something. It's a complicated thing, and that's why we have discourse.

How we go about it though, is obviously wherein lies the problem. Some handle it better than others. You have people at both extremes (in this case, they love the character despite any flaws because they can overlook it; or you hate the character because the flaws are too outstanding to ignore), and people somewhere in between (either indifferent to this character 100%, or are swayed to one side over the other).
Unfortunately, discourse must include everybody, even the opinions we don't like or agree with. That is how the world is supposed to work.
2

ChibiStraws

@Ursa You are freaking awesome!
I think people are blowing up about the human trafficking thing because they don't want to acknowledge that it exists. The same with Shanti having "so many" problems. Hello, it happens. *Raises hand*
9

Mavron_Brisque

I know better than to comment before I've finished my coffee. *ahem* Allow me to retry that.

Melian_Alcarime 08/21/17 7:43 am -fixed
I'm so glad she won! The design is cute, and I loved her reason for being the beanbag shop owner. This wasn't an art contest, it was a design contest. Just because some entries misunderstood that doesn't mean that we should rag on those who didn't. Her design is complete.
And hey, I'm still mourning Amy, so I don't really think she's all that dark. Subeta has always been a bit heavier. I do agree though that her wheelchair should be upgraded to one that's more designed for permanent use (UNLESS she's always testing out her creations :wink: ). Also loved the something soft for her tush comment!
1

radiocomputer98

tbh: mary sue on levels i havent seen since 2012
17

Kaya

hi, thank you for choosing Shanti and for all the congratulatory posts!
i too, would like to share a wall of text, directed to all schools of thought. i hope this answers some things, and im sorry if they dont.

firstly, i saw Shanti as a character of her own. when people insulted her, i didnt feel bitter for myself (its true that my own writing was bulleted, knowing my audience, bad art/sketch, etc, i could deal with). but that Shanti does hit a lot of checkboxes, and that invalidates her from being a person? i had a close friend from a terrible abusive background who developed mental issues and physical health problems. hes East Asian. he became a police, helping people for many cases. he hates dealing with abuse cases, but he does. seeing Shanti being called out felt like a shot through my heart for my friend and for her. even though she was just "hitting checkboxes".

secondly, her dark background happens in countries like MINE. regions near me, barely 2 hours by flight, have children taken away. in a developing region like mine, trafficking is a REAL SOCIAL ISSUE. just because it doesnt happen in a country like yours and it seems too "tragic", it doesnt make it fake. if Subeta chooses to drop that part, i wouldnt blame them. i purposely left it out, but it was a very real interpretation of Shanti and of my place.

thirdly, i personally dont feel entitled to win. or more like, it didnt matter. i wanted the Subeta community to benefit in the end, no matter who won. i loved Calliope - she represented me so well. i saw the creator of Kanyin proud of the character they had created, and was overjoyed that they had found confidence, but seeing them turn around to bite my choice because it was "marketable" shook me hard. what was the point of this? to win? is that what the competition is for? victory would have felt hollow if Shanti represented nothing but winning.

lastly, im very very grateful to the staff for narrowing down the entries and everyone who voted for Shanti. again, i see Shanti as her own character, and i hope that she won because of who she is, not because i am. in all honestly, when i saw the news, i became really terrified because of the backlash she would receive. but in a win, i came to realise too that there were a lot more people backing her, and i thank every single one of you. im looking forward to Shanti blessing the Subeta community, or at least, whoever will accept her into their heart.
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Mavron_Brisque

I'm so glad she won! The design is cute, and I loved her reason for being the beanbag shop owner. This wasn't an art contest, it was a design contest. Just because some entries misunderstood that doesn't mean that we should rag on those who did. And hey, I'm still mourning Amy, so I don't really think she's all that dark. I do agree though that her wheelchair should be upgraded to one that's more designed for permanent use (UNLESS she's always testing out her creations ;) ).
1

ChibiStraws

@POURRITURE
That wasn't hostile in the least hun. I could just as well ask you not to get defensive. But that's silly.
6

HADES

It's honestly really disgusting to see some of these comments. Shit like this is what causes neat events like this to end up ceasing to exist.

Grats on the win! I really liked this one. All of the entire did a great job.
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POURRITURE

@ChibiStraws
no need to be hostile if you feel differently about these things.
6

ChibiStraws

@POURRITURE not only has this site dealt with racism before (there was an entire WAR between zombies and humans so zombies could be recognized as actual people, for crying out loud), but this is not a PG site, it is PG-13 coming darn close to R in areas where snowflakes can't handle their delicate sensibilities being shaken (read: disagreed with)
If you want PG, you can head on over to Neopets and feel much better about the state of the pretend world.
9

METROID

@jollin
Quote:
Sad back story, the typical "good girl from a bad situation" and then the aesthetics to appeal to as many minorities as possible and by this I mean pointing it out when we can clearly see some of them, but it shouldn't of been the focus.
This. I friggin hate this trope, and it was so clear from looking at the sketch that it was going to be that trope. sure enough, I was right. Gag me, that's not realistic in the slightest and it always irks me. This site may be fictional, but come on peeps, learn to write better than this.

And then the whole "human trafficking" background is just unnecessary garbage that doesn't fit in with the Subetan world. It adds unnecessary information and actually makes me want to know less of or even care about Shanti now that I'm aware of this background intention by the artist.
Unless you've had experience with this sort of thing irl (and this goes for practically any topic of interest)--and I mean by getting to actually know numerous people who have recovered from this horrific lifestyle outside of simply reading cases and articles online or even in books; people who grew up around this lifestyle and saw it firsthand; hell, even those who USED to be the actual traffickers (you need to get all sides on the matter, not just the victims' perspective)--don't fucking write about it like you're suddenly an expert because you simply read something by another author.
It comes off as pretentious and obnoxious. Do your own research and investigation if you ever intend to write a character with a tragic backstory like this. If you want to make an impact, then do it right and not half-assed.
36

NeonDinosaur

I knew this one was gunna win the second I looked at her and read the description lol subeta you're so predictable.
On the other hand I also threw her a vote because I appreciate the cute design and all the work that went into the character building (plus her hair is amazing)
3

radiocomputer98

really? she had no story other than vague "shes so nice" traits
:/
11

Searchname

Congrats, Ursa!
0

Sopheroo

Contests like Camp Veta : THERE ARE TOO MANY ENTRIES, THERE SHOULD HAVE BEEN PRE-SELECTION OR PAGINATION EVEN THOUGHT I WOULDN'T HAVE LOOKED BEYOND PAGE 2 I CAN'T SPEND ALL DAY LOOKING AT ENTRIES LOL

This content : WTH, WHY WERE THINGS PRE-SELECTED?

Subeta, can you make up your mind?
26

far

Drama as juicy as the blob.

Now, I understand why a lot of people aren't confident in their own writing or artstyle lmao.
Even tho I did not vote for this entry, congratulation on winning.
15

Hannah66665

Pretty sure almost every site contest like this has specified that entries do not need to be in full color and that sketches are allowed.
6

Levi

Beautifully said Jollin.
4

POURRITURE

backstory isn't appropriate for subeta. certain real world elements don't always have to be included in fictional lore (e.g. misogyny, racism, whatever), especially in pg virtual pet sites. human trafficking definitely shouldn't.
is there anywhere to see the submissions other than the voting page which has now been taken down?
14

Opossum

To be fair, I can understand people being happy over this, and I also can understand people being upset.

Loooong wall of text ahead, please hear me out. I might hit some rough spots here but trust me my heart I believe is in the right place.

On one hand, people are happy this NPC basically hits all the minority check boxes. Handicapped both mentally and physically and POC. All traits that would be nice to have expressed in a new NPC! Which is awesome, Subeta has always been very on top of this and we all can agree: we love this site BECAUSE of this.

However, with this, it comes off almost... cheesy and token because of it. Which I believe is a majority of why people are upset, sure, the contest wasn't fully about the QUALITY of art sure but staff let a simple rough sketch go, because of the "background" of the character, where some people put in a lot more time colouring and lining their pieces, but didn't lay out such a "background" (which I will get to in a second.) and the whole pool of entries we had WAS characters directed at a minority but one alone, however, this felt the most "Mary Sue" of them all. Sad back story, the typical "good girl from a bad situation" and then the aesthetics to appeal to as many minorities as possible and by this I mean pointing it out when we can clearly see some of them, but it shouldn't of been the focus.

People expression discomfort in the win feel as if it was rigged to be a contest of more "pick a minority for us to make a NPC relate to" and of course people voted for the one which covered a lot of them in one swoop. I PERSONALLY don't mind the character's design, I really loved her appearance wise, but the background just seemed too, well, Mary Sue like, not a very creative background imo, it's not hard to write a depressive back story. Or design a character from one. Which was why I did not vote for Shanti, her character design is VERY cute but once the description just kinda laid out bullet points of all the things "wrong" with her, it didn't make her relate-able to me anymore, I didn't feel her heart, she felt like a one dimensional character with just those bullet points to focus on and that was it.

I really hope the staff decides to adjust some of the characters qualities slightly so it doesn't seem so abrupt and token. None of the other NPCs (to my recollection) have such an out there almost fan fiction/RP like backstory. For example: Can't a girl just have anxiety issues and autism but have a NORMAL life and decide to do good and teach homeless youth who just want to learn how to sew and volunteer at her shop? Or she just wants to give back to the community because she wants to and not because she feels she HAS to. She's positive and happy just because and doesn't let her disabilities shake her? At least not all the time causing looming dread. We all have off days. She just happens to be in a wheelchair and that's just fine and we don't focus on it or tbh any of her other "issues"? She's just a PERSON and not a "Let's focus on every 'flaw' she has" (because tbh that's how every entry felt for the most part not just Shanti. Like, if you character is POC and we see it you don't really need to point it out?)

We don't have to focus on any of that really, when she's put up in her shop? She's just going to say hello to us, and sell us items. We're gonna see her and just see a character that is a human being, not focusing on what "disables"her, but see her as a person. Which I mean, isn't that how we SHOULD view people who have such qualities first? As people and not a "oh there's the person that has XYZ." From all my years on Subeta I don't ever recall any NPC having the fact they're a "Minority" be a focal point anyways, like Emma and Esther, we know they're married, they're gay. It's great. Quentin is agender, which is also great. and as someone who is Pansexual and knows a lot of agender members, it was VERY heartwarming to see, but I can look at them and see they have more depth too than the qualities to make the site seem "relate-able" because they have gay/Agender NPCs. Like Emma doesn't make it a point to constantly remind us she's gay, she just is there and we all know her as Emma first and foremost. That is how I would like Shanti to be, she's cute, she's there and quirky, and I enjoy her being there because she is an enjoyable character, and my SECOND thought is she's relate-able. I want to love her for her, not JUST because of what makes her a "minority."

My point is I believe people who are upset are upset because it all just feels so saturated in trying to "fit in" that it seems out of place for what Subeta has been in the past with their NPCs. The fact it wasn't a "full quality" entry on the art behalf is another reason people are upset. Especially the other artists who were in the voting. And then there's the people mad the staff kinda cherry picked through and picked designs that fit a certain "quota" for the most part. Which I personally don't find error with staff wanting everyone to feel happy and they have an NPC they can relate to, it's just I think the backstory needs some tweaks to make her be more of a normal person (yes, you can have disabilities and still be loved, and have a good time growing up. Not sold into child trafficking, etc. The two do NOT go hand in hand.) and not a typical troupe.

I hope that makes sense. Like I said I can kinda see all sides of things in a way.

That being said. Welcome aboard Shanti, Congrats to the artist. I can't wait to see how she looks polished up by staff. I personally didn't enter anything so I'm not being "salty" for not being picked or any other motive. Staff clearly said they took note of what they seen people wanted for future NPCs so I'm hopeful EVERYONE will have someone they can relate to on this site some day soon. Hopefully the other artists who entered will continue making wonderful art as well.

Love you Subeta. Hopefully nobody gets offended at this, I mean no poor intentions, it's just my opinions and thoughts from what I've been seeing since the contest voting started. It's really been tense on here lately, and it's really sad something that should be a fun time is being muddied by so much stuff.
57

Dybbuk

@boa I lost, of course I'm salty. But I forgot the most important thing about elections is to know your audience. Ursa played the game better than me, so of course they won. I can accept that.
5

ChibiStraws

@Dybbuk I'll pose for the next drawing that calls for such details in the entry if it makes you feel better
5

helix

@Dybbuk i don't really feel like that sort of salty comment is appropriate/necessary lol
20

Paradise

Ok but can we please put Kanyin somewhere?
Some of us need his fluffiness in our lives lol
19

Juke

I love her so much, congrats @Ursa !!❤❤
0

Vanitas

Zombies were represented before someone with a disability. As were a range of ages, orientations, and ethnicities. Among several mythical/alien races or hybrids, and anthropomorphic pet characters. I don't think we're taking much of a leap when it comes to realism or inclusion.

Fwiw, mostly what we want is to be treated like any other person. Living with a disability isn't nearly as sad as being shunned, silenced, and hidden away. And if we can't even have a cute little fictional NPC like us because it's "too sad", that's exactly what is happening.

I assume anyone who objects to this means well, but please, try not to project your discomfort and ruin a happy occasion for those you're pitying.
25

serinde

Of course.
3

Cassandra

@Reekoh If you read the rules it said that the Subeta team was actively looking for an under represented group for the NCP. You have no idea what the other entries and therefore can't categorical say all the other entries fit these guidelines. Adding a cake or drink etc is NOT the same as adding a new NPC to the community.

@Ligress Well said. I wish I was that articulate but sometimes my temper makes me speak in small harsh words. :*

@Casey The personality of this entry was far superior compared to the other entries. That is why I voted for Shanti. I didn't even take the pictures into account as the staff would being doing the art in the end. This really wasn't an art competition (which you pointed out) but you still have issues with the "sketch" that was submitted by the winner. I don't understand that at all.
15

Slowerthanzero

Oooh yes! i'm so happy Shanti won! She was my favorite one there! So much character and personality and her design is just too cute and adorable. I think she's perfect for the role of beanbag shop owner. Gratz to the one who created her. =3
4

Wildflower

Congratulations! o/
1

Ratrick

Personally, I'm deeply disappointed. I don't think this design should have been a finalist in the first place.

No, not for the reasons others have stated. I'm actually an autistic nonbinary wheelchair user, (not "wheelchair bound," PLEASE stop using that phrase, friends.) I'm happy to see some aspects of myself being recognized and represented! I'm all for diversity! It's just that out of all those wonderful inked and colored entries, this one was just a quick sketch. I'm sad on behalf of everyone who put a lot of effort into this, only to have this be the winner. I know it wasn't an art contest necessarily, but the personality was lacking, and I'm disturbed knowing that the backstory is rooted in human trafficking. (http://subetaspeaks.tumblr.com/post/164373791705/hi-im-shantis-artist-i-guess-its-pretty-obvious) I'm glad to see myself as a wheelchair user represented, but the whole thing makes me uncomfy with the backstory, lack of personality apart from 'a good person,' and the art being uncolored and sketchy, with no discernible facial features. I mean, she's got a dot for a nose, and two dots for a mouth. I'm curious as to how staff will redraw this, and what color palette they will choose, considering they're working with almost nothing. It's a good enough entry, I don't blame anyone for voting for it, but I don't believe it should have been chosen as a finalist in the first place. I had to say something. I feel so torn because I am so so happy to see an NPC that uses a wheelchair like me, but I feel weird about this entry still. The artist still deserves a congratulations, and I trust that everyone made a good decision and that staff will turn her into something great. This can still be a good thing, but I'm iffy on it for now. I hope I don't offend anyone with my comment. I don't mean to upset anyone, least of all the artist. I do think Shanti is cute, and I hope to see her developed in the future! Congrats to everyone who entered, by the way. They were all lovely.
45

Paddy

That was a really hard choice to narrow it down to vote for just one character - I really wanted to vote for Shanti and at least two others! :blush:
Huge congrats User not found: ursa! :D :D
1

Straywillow

I can't remember who I voted for but this is a good choice.. will be nice to see her as the NPC for bean bags!
1

PrincessPeaToadstool

@foxette, my goodness... Subeta's already touched a few topics that have to do with the miseries of the real world, actual miseries. Like, say, feud between different races. Sure, here it was between humans and the Unliving, but the issue is pretty much real in the world outside the computer.
9

Levi

Wow - the people complaining blow my mind, so rude.
Grats Ursa, adorable design. :)
14

Reekoh

Foxette isn't the only one who is upset. Me, personally, I just don't care. It's an online game. This game has never taken off like other online games, and I enjoy the smaller community. I liked another character more, but honestly, why have a user-voting competition when all the entries are already thinned out by the staff? There could have been someone else who we all loved even more. I loved the cake contest because we got to see TONS of entries and it was super fun. If staff were worried there were too many, they could have let the users vote it down, then have a 2nd round of voting on the narrowed down entries. I just don't like people picking for me, I like to see all my options.

<3 <3
19

Emrah

☹️
4

ChibiStraws

@foxette
"Subeta will end up being a very small community of minorities and the silent majority will go. I was just made aware of a 7 year player who has left. I predict there will be more."
Seriously? You're butthurt because people that don't usually get a voice, and in your own words, are treated badly and you find it upsetting and sad, are now getting representation?
Isn't that just a wee bit hypocritical?
49

EndoKazuki

:heart:
0

Elixir

Yay! This is the one I voted for! Congrats @Ursa!! Excited to see her all colored!
0

Masquerade

Congrats Ursa, she was my favourite as soon as I read her backstory.
0

Ligress

This was a hard pick being there were so many great choices, I hope the other entries show up as other npcs or maybe guests somehow in other shops/plot? :)

To the negative comments about disabled people: sorry but not sorry we upset you by existing, we all have people who we dislike. Its pretty disheartening you can't be happy for people being represented who are already having a hard time, because it hurts your feelings/makes you feel something besides cheery cheery cupcakes. Yikes. I like this site because it has inclusion, humor, and isn't "just kids" stuff. Disabled, or differently abled persons need escapism too, acknowledging something exists via a npc shouldn't make you quit something unless you already wanted a reason to be upset. If you hate the shopkeeper so much make a custom css to change the image, you can find custom npc codes in the forums, seriously.
41

Trikxty

Yay! I voted for this one! They were all really good too. Congrats Ursa! ^^
0

Aries

I never voted as I got busy with life but can appreciate that subeta is becoming more representative of other things now.
1

Paperoga

wow! thank you and congratulation @Ursa!
0

Janun_Harmaa

Congrats Ursa!
0

Metaphor

Awww, so cute! I had trouble picking one because they were all so good. This one will be perfect!
0

Doe

Congrats, @Ursa! Was a really cool character and cute, though I didn't vote for her. It was such a hard choice, honestly.
0

KimC

She was my choice, so I'm happy! I hope you don't change her too much, she's so sweet and pretty.
0

MamaBear

Congratulations! :) I've never been so excited at the addition of an NPC! Came close with the addition of Gregory Watson during the Councellor's Cruise (Man, I miss that guy!), but I love love love the addition of a mobility-compromised character. Huge thanks @Ursa for creating such beauty and everyone who voted Shanti in! Not everyone in the real world looks the same or has the same abilities. Her addition makes me feel at home onsite, too.
3

potata

AYE CONGRATSSSSSS
0

PUNK

Ohhh congrats User not found: ursa :D Very happy you won!
0

Whitemoon

I'm so glad she's won! She's the cutest entry and I'm sure she'll represent people suffering from chronic pain very well! Congratulations, @Ursa! :D
0

jensen

ah, i would've been happy with any of them winning but i'm glad to see the fan fav won. like everyone else, i hope we see the rest of the runners up on-site in other places, fahimah in particular was my favorite ;w;
1

Campanella

Congratulations, User not found: ursa! From her description, Shanti seems like she'll be a nice addition to the NPC roster. Looking forward to seeing her finalized artwork. :blush:

@Baklava It said chronic *pain* attacks, not chronic panic attacks. You have a point that that can be sad depending on the severity, but it's not unrealistic - there are several conditions that have pain attacks (or localized pain) as one of their symptoms, and in certain cases (rheumatoid arthritis, for instance), it's definitely something that can lead to being wheelchair-bound even if the person's doing fine otherwise.

@foxette The frequent treatment of wheelchair-bound people in the real world is sad, true, but if the sight of a wheelchair-bound person alone is enough to upset *you* to the point of it hurting an escapism hobby for you enough to quit part of it, you should probably take a step back. Those people aren't going to stop existing just because their treatment can be depressing to others, and there's nothing wrong with Subeta having a NPC that happens to be wheelchair-bound as long as they don't use that trait just for drama or pity points.

We already have wheelchair-based items and wearables, so I'm not really seeing why having a NPC like Shanti is suddenly a problem.
55

Aline

Congratulations to @ursa!
And now, just because some rather disrespectful people said something harsh about people in wheelchairs, I'll buy all the Medicontra stuff to try and make a disabled HA because disabled people are awesome and deserving of respect. :heart:
17

Evy

Glad Shanti won, the line "something soft for my tush" was the thing that won me over. :D
Fahimah as a character had a great personality, so I hope we'll see her somewhere else.
5

Rutherford

sorry for all this drama on your post, ursa! You know how every contest/update/basically-anything-on-the-news goes, always gonna be Butthurt. Congrats on your win, and even bigger congratulations for having such a perfect cutie for the beanbag shop <3
7

foxette

@Poet
I'm not saying the people are sad. Their plight is sad. There are many things wheelchair people can do but they are denied access to so many things that able bodied people can do. I find that upsetting and sad.
1

Soleta

Awesome, she was my first choice!! Congrats!
0

Silvy

I voted for Calliope, but Shanti was my second choice, congratulations User not found: ursa!
1

Poet

@foxette People in wheelchairs are miseries? They're just people, in wheelchairs. If you feel so bad about it, maybe you should start talking to actual people in wheelchairs and realise that they're not just sad cases, but actual human beings?
38

Baklava

IIRC, she can't walk because she has panic attacks. Can't double-check because the page has been removed. How are chronic panic attacks NOT sad? Also, is that even realistic?
1

Vinushka

I have to add, nothing miserable about Shanti, imo. Aside from the complexion, her description is pretty much my daughter. Chronic illness and/or pain are a challenge, but everyone has their struggles. It's nice to see a character like her being included like anyone else. We are very happy about this NPC.
27

Cassandra

@foxette That is utterly ridiculous. There is nothing sad about Shanti.
22

Vinushka

One of my two favourites, hooray! Congrats Ursa!
0

foxette

@Cassandra
I come to Subeta for escapism, fun and joy. If I want to be reminded of the miseries of the world I can turn on the news.
13

Cassandra

Congrats @Ursa! I really loved your outline for the character.

@foxette What are you talking about!?
0

Yuzu

I voted for Calliope, but Shanti was my second choice, and I had a REALLY HARD TIME voting for just one, so this makes me happy! I look forward to seeing her join the ranks of our NPCs!
4

PetraKore

Congrats, Ursa!
1

CelticRaiN

@Ursa Congrats on the win sweets! <3 <3 <3
0

feral

Honestly all of them were such great choices that I knew no matter the winner, I'd be smiling!
@Ursa Congrats!! Your design is so lovely!!
2

VOLTAGE

AAAAAAAAaaaaaaAAA CONGRATS @Ursa bby! <3
1

Fizz

Congrats! I loved her best of the bunch and I'm glad she won :heart:
0

pythonesque

Congrats!! Excited to see Shanti join our NPCs!
0

poppy

Congrats Ursa~!
0

Sequoia

Congrats Ursa!
0

Nova

I'm so glad Shanti won. I feel like some of the other stories were good but would have worked with any sort of shopkeeper but Shanti's fit being a beanbag NPC so well. I was really hoping she'd win. Congrats Ursa.
6

ulalena

Congrats, Ursa, that´s a wonderful character and story! <3
0

Muerte

Congrats Ursa ! I love love love her and can't wait to see her finished !
2

innamoramento

congrats!
i voted for Calliope, but i also wanted to vote for Shanti.
I'm happy Shanti won; she's very unique when compared to the rest of the NPCs ;)
3

Hannah66665

Yay! I voted for her. :3 loved all of them tbh and hope they can show up around site somehow... (whoever made the Dillema, I loved that eyepatch detail!)
1

MistressMurder

Congrats Ursa!

Fantastic job as well to all the participants! It was difficult to pick just one. xD
1

PrincessPeaToadstool

Congrats on the well-deserved victory! :D
1

moonstarr

Being I'm autistic, I identified with that character the most. But Shanti was my second choice, and she's very beautifully drawn. Happy to have her :)
2

Asumi

I'm looking forward to what the updated NPC design looks like.

(I still want a Calliope npc lol)
7

LizParker

Yay!!! My favorite :) Congrats!
0

Shark

Congratulations to Ursa! (And for everyone else for making it as a finalist!) Really looking forward to seeing her on the site~
1

herbal

congrats!
1

Zakery

I voted for this one! :]
1

talisman

congrats ursa c:
1

Cresenta

@Ursa

*freaks out and runs around the room* CONGRATS BUDDY!!!! :D :D :D
1

Frankenchokies

Booooo.
9

Marlboro

I'm so happy!! congrats Ursa!!
1

Hazard

If that tehb awk slang gal doesn't become a teashop npc or something I will be very sad.
27

Star

CONGRATS @Ursa!!!
1

Bathory

Congrats Ursa!
1

nocturnal

@Ursa congrats! I am so happy for you! :D I can't wait to see her all colored and stuff too :D
1

Alana

Oh yay!! There were so many wonderful entries, and this one definitely stole my heart. ^_^
1

Thundercracker

^_^ Yay! Everyone did a great job. Congrats Ursa for winning! ^_^
2

Bundy

Yay! I voted for her as well... so glad to see her win :smile:
1

SNSD

Yessss this was the one I voted for! Love her!
1

Rii

Eeeee! I'm so happy she won!
1

Xezvi

I second @PiplupMagby34 - she's adorable and I want to learn more about the Tehb and Ji-Meneb!
7

PiplupMagby34

So which users drew the other entries? I'm curious... ;)
5

Magical

Congrats Ursa!
2

Scorpio

Aaaah, @Ursa bby, this was YOU !! :tada:
Gratz, bby, I adore Shanti, she was my vote~ ♥
1

Duck

I didn't get to vote but omfg this is amazing!!
0

Warrior

AHHHH CONGRATS BB!!! :* Happy you won.
1

Kellijuana

Congratulations! ^_^ She's already adorable, can't wait to see her Subeta-fied! :D
2

FCoD

Congrats! :)
1

lovecraft

Very awesome. I love this!
1

Ying

Loved the runner up entries, it was a hard choice.

Great work to the artists. :)
4

crashingnightingales

Yay! I was hoping it would be Shanti! I really liked her design!
1

PiplupMagby34

Shanti is a cutie!! But can we put through that idea I mentioned about making the shengui-guo entry the shopkeeper for the upcoming tea shop there?
25

sakura

YAY CONGRATS @ursa!!!! <3
1

Tiobe

YAAAAAAY! and congrats, Shanti is a beautiful addition to the npc shopkeepers <3
1

Damon

Congrats! :) Very awesome!
1

Tundra

Grats @Ursa bby!! <3
1

Avalon

My second choice--so, obviously, ultra happy. Yaaay, congrats!
0

intermission

THAT'S MY CHILD THAT'S MY ANGEL
1

Jules

Love it ~ Congratulations!
1

Jupiter

Yay~ Very big congrats on the win!
:D
1

Fayea

Congratulations, well done!
1

nut

grats Ursa!!!
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