Ontra Revamp - Poll!
We\'ve got a new poll for you to participate in! The ontra is currently going through a redesign. As it\'s quite a big change, we\'d like to hear your feedback on it before it goes live! (If you have critiques you\'d like to give, please take them to the revamp feedback forum as it\'s easier for us to go through them there)
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Rah
Cartoon
This new revamp looks great!! It's so nice to see this older pet get a fresh new look with a bit more uniqueness to it. :) Definitely looking forward to seeing it revamped!!
A few things do throw off the look of the new one, however, so I thought I'd offer a few suggestions to see if I can help!
The issue with the eyes has been mentioned by others, and is one of the most notable features that just seem "off". Anatomically speaking, it looks like there is virtually no area for a brain to fit inside that skull-- this could be due to the angle, or simply to the eyes being so large and the forehead being so small.
Otters have a fairly flat and sloped skull (varying depending on species), and this critter doesn't really give off the vibe of having that flat otter-shaped head. If that is the impression the team is going for, then the forehead may actually need to be shortened, with the eyebrows showing the frontal edge of the skull, and then additional evidence of the back of the skull could be given around the back or sides of the face.
However, if Subeta seeks a more "neutral" animal that is not inherently an otter, then the second one of Spireo's suggested edits is an excellent fix for this. Alternatively, extending the size of the forehead (making it larger, overall) could similarly solve the problem. Ontras always had a pretty big noggin, and this would keep it true to the vibe we have all grown to enjoy about this species!
The "line" down the face (as mentioned by another user), while I understand it seems to be a line of fluff on the face, is a little bit too dark & distracting for that purpose. It truly does look like a crease rather than just fluff! Making the lines a lighter color, or removing the line entirely, would probably be a good idea. Otter fur in general doesn't tend to fluff upward like that, as their coats naturally flow in a single direction, so that fluffy bit doesn't flow as smoothly as one might hope -- plus, with as short as the hairs on their face are, it's unlikely that such fluff should be visible at all, anyway. A cute idea, though!
Lastly, this may be more of a personal preference, and again draws from anatomical aspects of living species... The revamp's ears, though, do not in any way seem natural. Unless that animal is upset (which Ontras generally seem like pretty lighthearted creatures), a posture like that for the ears does not casually occur. They currently resemble the vestigial pinnae of a sea lion more than any form of otter and, with the rest of the Ontra's features being (more or less) like a stereotypical cute and fluffy mammal, such ears really would not be expected. Giving them a more rounded appearance would help, as would making them look more forward-facing (with more of the ventral ear surface visible, rather than it all being the dorsal surface of the ear) rather than downward-facing like a sea lion. I don't think either of these changes will harm their "cute" factor in any way, since people are more focused on how kawaii the tiny ears are in general, haha; it will, however, make them look more cheerful and believable, from the standpoints of realistic/expected anatomy!
Hopefully these make sense and are easy enough to understand. I can always provide redlines, if that may be helpful!
All the same, I look forward to seeing the completed product, because I'm loving all the feature additions in this redesign! :)
A few things do throw off the look of the new one, however, so I thought I'd offer a few suggestions to see if I can help!
The issue with the eyes has been mentioned by others, and is one of the most notable features that just seem "off". Anatomically speaking, it looks like there is virtually no area for a brain to fit inside that skull-- this could be due to the angle, or simply to the eyes being so large and the forehead being so small.
Otters have a fairly flat and sloped skull (varying depending on species), and this critter doesn't really give off the vibe of having that flat otter-shaped head. If that is the impression the team is going for, then the forehead may actually need to be shortened, with the eyebrows showing the frontal edge of the skull, and then additional evidence of the back of the skull could be given around the back or sides of the face.
However, if Subeta seeks a more "neutral" animal that is not inherently an otter, then the second one of Spireo's suggested edits is an excellent fix for this. Alternatively, extending the size of the forehead (making it larger, overall) could similarly solve the problem. Ontras always had a pretty big noggin, and this would keep it true to the vibe we have all grown to enjoy about this species!
The "line" down the face (as mentioned by another user), while I understand it seems to be a line of fluff on the face, is a little bit too dark & distracting for that purpose. It truly does look like a crease rather than just fluff! Making the lines a lighter color, or removing the line entirely, would probably be a good idea. Otter fur in general doesn't tend to fluff upward like that, as their coats naturally flow in a single direction, so that fluffy bit doesn't flow as smoothly as one might hope -- plus, with as short as the hairs on their face are, it's unlikely that such fluff should be visible at all, anyway. A cute idea, though!
Lastly, this may be more of a personal preference, and again draws from anatomical aspects of living species... The revamp's ears, though, do not in any way seem natural. Unless that animal is upset (which Ontras generally seem like pretty lighthearted creatures), a posture like that for the ears does not casually occur. They currently resemble the vestigial pinnae of a sea lion more than any form of otter and, with the rest of the Ontra's features being (more or less) like a stereotypical cute and fluffy mammal, such ears really would not be expected. Giving them a more rounded appearance would help, as would making them look more forward-facing (with more of the ventral ear surface visible, rather than it all being the dorsal surface of the ear) rather than downward-facing like a sea lion. I don't think either of these changes will harm their "cute" factor in any way, since people are more focused on how kawaii the tiny ears are in general, haha; it will, however, make them look more cheerful and believable, from the standpoints of realistic/expected anatomy!
Hopefully these make sense and are easy enough to understand. I can always provide redlines, if that may be helpful!
All the same, I look forward to seeing the completed product, because I'm loving all the feature additions in this redesign! :)
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Eeka
Wow, I really love this change. Subtle, but it makes the artwork look more modern and definitely cuter. Those eyes!
I do agree the chest might need a very slight tweaking, it almost looks like it's wearing a fluffy bra in a way? Haha, I could learn to ignore it though. It's very adorable overall.
I do agree the chest might need a very slight tweaking, it almost looks like it's wearing a fluffy bra in a way? Haha, I could learn to ignore it though. It's very adorable overall.
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Botanist
Really lovely revamp that makes the pet so much more appealing while changing very little.
My only crit would be that the far side of its chest looks much fluffier than the near side.
My only crit would be that the far side of its chest looks much fluffier than the near side.
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Aline
The new one looks like a legit Disney critter and that's why I voted for it, because it's too cute! <3
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Gintoki_831
hey! i wanted to let you guys know that there's a typo on the poll that's causing the image not to show up
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nobody
so i may have already purchased an ontra potion for this and designated an ontra pet. please make this happen.
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ecks
I voted for the new one because I like the direction the revamp is going. However, I agree with a couple comments I saw -- the eyes are a tad large, and the nose would look better if it were more rounded and otter-like. Either way, keep it up, artists!
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Objection
ohhh my goodness Rah did a great job making this precious baby. ;O; that face makes my heart melt!! <3
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mutant
Me likey but I don't like the now 'generic mammal' nose :c the rounded one was much more otter-ish
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atmosphere
So adorable, I love this revamp! Just looks so much softer and friendly. Definitely matches Subetas evolving style too.
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Akita
those eyes those ears those freckllless that tail those paws that nose
-cuteness overload-
im going to need a cream one
-cuteness overload-
im going to need a cream one
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QueenSpazzy
ohmygoodness
The proposed revamp makes me really want an ontra.
It's so adorable!
I'm not really seeing any big changes, though...? I mean, other than ears and a redesign of the tail, it's still really the same thing.
I'm all for those ears, though, I always thought the ontra looked a bit off without any.
The proposed revamp makes me really want an ontra.
It's so adorable!
I'm not really seeing any big changes, though...? I mean, other than ears and a redesign of the tail, it's still really the same thing.
I'm all for those ears, though, I always thought the ontra looked a bit off without any.
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Hemo
The revamp doesn't include any super big change and the new one is pretty cute so I vote for yes :p
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ChibiStraws
@foxette
Ears down is aggression or fear, yes, but I saw it as having folded ears- you've seen cats with folded ears, right? These ears look just right for that, imo.
I think it's absolutely adorable, I love everything about it.
Ears down is aggression or fear, yes, but I saw it as having folded ears- you've seen cats with folded ears, right? These ears look just right for that, imo.
I think it's absolutely adorable, I love everything about it.
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foxette
Ears down shows fear or aggression in an animal. It's at odds with the smiley face. The old Ontra is better.
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antler
all joking aside, the new look is very... mature? compared to the current one, which I love. I agree, the eyes could be smaller, but you can't please everyone!
btw, my weaknesses are big noses and little paws, how did you know. ;0;
btw, my weaknesses are big noses and little paws, how did you know. ;0;
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Dryad_182
I was going to vote for the current one, but the ears on the newer design swayed me. x3 So cute.
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JOJO
I really like Sperio's edits, I think the eyes could be shrunken just a tiny tad bit. c: Besides that, this is a really awesome update!!
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InkSpell
OH MY GOSH. I had always liked the ontra before, but that revamp! Those ears. That tail. Along with those eyes and the fluffier fur, I LOVE IT! <3
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misstada
Aww! Its super cute guys!
I think it has more detail and he looks so innocent C:
I choose yes for the new!
I think it has more detail and he looks so innocent C:
I choose yes for the new!
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Keshi
I logged in specifically for this, because I have many feelings regarding this...
they pretty much go
YES PLEASE
This is everything I wish I had the talent to do years ago and 110% hope that this goes through. I was always sad my little otter baby didn't belong with the popular pets
Yes to the ears, yes to the more natural limbs, yes to the muzzle, yes to the fin additions and nicer tail.
I understand if this looks bad on my part, but the ontra was the first pet I worked on and I was definitely proud then but its like... what 7? 8? years old now? It's definitely time to update and improve its design.
Which artist can I love upon for this, @Rah ???
they pretty much go
YES PLEASE
This is everything I wish I had the talent to do years ago and 110% hope that this goes through. I was always sad my little otter baby didn't belong with the popular pets
Yes to the ears, yes to the more natural limbs, yes to the muzzle, yes to the fin additions and nicer tail.
I understand if this looks bad on my part, but the ontra was the first pet I worked on and I was definitely proud then but its like... what 7? 8? years old now? It's definitely time to update and improve its design.
Which artist can I love upon for this, @Rah ???
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Scy64
Love the new design! It's more "otter" like now while still being in the subeta style. I'd consider one as a pet if they looked like that!
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Dracona
those earrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrssssssssssssssss with those big eyes omg yes yes yes... I never got an Ontra due to the no ear thing tbh
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NYC
Dear God. Are you kidding me. Why you'd design the ontra to look this way is beyond me. You've put me in such a situation that, I just don't even know what to do with myself. HOW I am going to change all my pets' species to ontra -- I don't know. But it's going to happen. And it is your fault... Damn talented artists.
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SpookDoggy
OMGGGGG. *Grabby hands* I WANT one of these new ones. In fact I want SEVERAL. AUgh, they're so cute I can't stand it! I never minded the old ontra, but they didn't inspire me to fill a pet slot. If these go live, I WILL have to get one!
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Vanilla
Very impressed that you are utilising polls again for revamps and encouraging feedback before implementation! Well done team :)
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Danudaine
Very nice new art/revamp! :)
The only thing I'd say is that the eyes on the new one could be a little smaller? I think the old one's proportions look just a little more realistic (in reference to the face/eyes).
Otherwise, definitely the new one!
The only thing I'd say is that the eyes on the new one could be a little smaller? I think the old one's proportions look just a little more realistic (in reference to the face/eyes).
Otherwise, definitely the new one!
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Cacaro
Holy Jesus the new one looks completely adorable! I thought it looked a little different than the original at first but now I see it was because of those cute tiny ears and omg I love them. Please, can I pet it?
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PhoenixRose
The outer shoulder seems a little squished to me and I prefer the face shape (outside of the missing ears) on the old design, but I really like the new revamp. That tail is adorbs.
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OtakuOokami
It's cute, but I voted for the old one for just one reason: the forehead. The face just doesn't feel right to me without that old Ontra 5-head. But, that's just my opinion...
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HalfBlood
So cute. I feel like I was waiting for this update. The new version looks so much better and I was thinking that my pet Longtail would end up being an Ontra (or an Apatosaurus-like creature) but for whatever reason I never was fond of the Ontra until now. I can't wait to see some new colors too.
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Frozen_Shade
hhhhh. The body I can easily agree is probably better overall, that's some nice work, but that head terrifies me. There is something about it that is just. nooooo.
I dunno what it is? Maybe it's the fact it has ears. Not a fan of those ears, in that position; how much the ears are contributing to the fact that I find its face terrifying, however, I have no idea.
Maybe it's all the little shape changes or something? The compounding totality of the shape of the tops of the eyes and the angling of the muzzle and the form of the cheeks and stuff? I WISH I knew why I found it so unsettling. At least then I could post a comprehensive breakdown about it... not being able to make a proper breakdown is annoying. Maybe we'll manage to work it out later.
I dunno what it is? Maybe it's the fact it has ears. Not a fan of those ears, in that position; how much the ears are contributing to the fact that I find its face terrifying, however, I have no idea.
Maybe it's all the little shape changes or something? The compounding totality of the shape of the tops of the eyes and the angling of the muzzle and the form of the cheeks and stuff? I WISH I knew why I found it so unsettling. At least then I could post a comprehensive breakdown about it... not being able to make a proper breakdown is annoying. Maybe we'll manage to work it out later.
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Nuclear
This is fantastic. Otters are in the same family as ferrets. I wonder if the ferret will come next.
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James
Voted for the old one, based on design. Ears are fine, I just prefer the smaller eyes and nose.
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rainbunnies
It's really just personal preference, but I like the longer forehead and smaller eyes of the current Ontra --- otherwise, I think the new design looks great.
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Kestrel
OMG PRECIOUS BAB.
Yes please to ears and a more interesting tail (and that expression aahh). I will probably own an Ontra for once if this revamp goes through. *u*
Yes please to ears and a more interesting tail (and that expression aahh). I will probably own an Ontra for once if this revamp goes through. *u*
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Viking
I think it looks super adorable, and personally I don't see anything that needs a change. Love the cute little ears especially. :)
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alex
ok so an ontra i might actually adopt wow I'm impressed i love it! except maybe the ears are a little small in comparison to the rest of the head - i think they might look more in proportion if they were a tiny bit bigger? but I'm obsessed overall tbh
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Speiro
I love it :D
The only change I would consider making would be to shrink the eyes a little, because they seem a little chibi-esque right now. That's purely personal preference though. Otherwise the revamp is amazing, and you've got me interested in a pet I had always overlooked before. :P
The only change I would consider making would be to shrink the eyes a little, because they seem a little chibi-esque right now. That's purely personal preference though. Otherwise the revamp is amazing, and you've got me interested in a pet I had always overlooked before. :P
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Poet
It's cute, but I don't really feel that it needs an update. I think there are other pets that are in need of them more.
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Mordekai
Wow, too cute! I never had a strong opinion on the old ontra, but I might need one of these new ones....
Those ears! QQ
Those ears! QQ
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Hunger
I love the new ontra look! To be honest I never liked the old version, but if it changes to this new version I will have to get one! :D
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Kushiel
The ears are adorable! I'm sooo glad that they are there.I still wont get an Ontra probably but, nonetheless, what an improvement!
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Hamlet
Otters are my favourite animals, yet i was never really interested in the ontra before. The revamp has made it gorgeous!! I cant wait to see more colours as its sooo super cute now! I adore its little ears!! <3
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AidenVP
Omg that’s adorable! Ears! I just want to hug it so much! XD
Does anyone else see the line that seems to be going right down the middle of the new ones forehead? Is that suppose to be there?
Does anyone else see the line that seems to be going right down the middle of the new ones forehead? Is that suppose to be there?
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KatRaccoon
Oh man, the old design was cute, but the new one is definitely better. I love the little Scottish fold ears the new design has!
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Alcremie
I'm all for the one on the left. The eyes look nicer, and it could really use some ears. :)
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Rowan
Looks very cute. It really looks like a sea otter now. I love the ears and big eyes.
Will Alexander get a revamp as well?
Will Alexander get a revamp as well?
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Maleria
I always never cared about Ontras, but this new one... May will look for one, since it's freaking adorable.
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Laurence
I always tend to forget about this species so it's nice to see it getting attention. Love the revamp. :)
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silverlunarfox
the new design is super cute :), the only ontra i ever really liked was the Galactic Ontra which I have as a pet,
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miha
The new design is lovely. These cute ears <3 And I love how its face seems to be more realistic.
mmh, seems like I'll have to change one of my pets into an ontra :D I totaly love the design
mmh, seems like I'll have to change one of my pets into an ontra :D I totaly love the design
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Tal
Cute, not a huge fan of the folded ears but It works. For some reason I can't use the poll though?
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Samwise
While it's nice to see polls being used for revamps again, I feel like it would be more useful with more choices, variations on the proposed design (I think I remember this happening in the past, long long ago, but I'm not sure). Maybe go with the initial revamp idea to the forums, and get feedback from interested users (people want different shaped ears or don't like the tail etc), and then offer, in a poll, a few versions of the revamp with changes users have suggested. Maybe that's planned to happen with feedback from the forum post. It's just always felt not quite useful to me to have a poll "Fancy new lovely art" vs. "old art that we all mostly agree needs to be updated"
That being said I love the ontra (I'm thinking more about certain other recent revamps that people have had large amounts of feedback about). c:
That being said I love the ontra (I'm thinking more about certain other recent revamps that people have had large amounts of feedback about). c:
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Natsume
omg yes it looks more like an otter now
I never really noticed that they didn't have ears either LOL but I always thought something was kinda off by them
I never really noticed that they didn't have ears either LOL but I always thought something was kinda off by them
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Hellbent
Oh the ears, that's what it is! Maybe I'm not used to it having ears and that's whats throwing me! Thank you @strange
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Hellbent
It's so cute! I'm so in love with the tail especially! But something about the face throws me off a bit, maybe its the eyes? Or that it's looking up instead of having its chin tilted down? Either way it's minor and I love the revamp! :D
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Sabina
If they get revamped there's a good chance I will force myself to get another pet slot for one ;A; so precious
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Lea
WHOA I DID NOT EXPECT THIS UMMMMmmm ok um actually this isn't gonna work for me because i have no room for any new ontras (CRIES, I JUST MORPHED MY OLD COLORFILL ONTRA INTO AN IRION..) so uh THIS ISN'T FAIR????
wow
ok i love this a LOT though, I'm so glad they finally have ears, i'll leave proper feedback on the forum thing but W O W
wow
ok i love this a LOT though, I'm so glad they finally have ears, i'll leave proper feedback on the forum thing but W O W
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HYPEBEAST
It looks a bit sad :(
The lack of ears was the only thing that bothered me a bit and since that's been changed I really have nothing else to say. I like it!
The lack of ears was the only thing that bothered me a bit and since that's been changed I really have nothing else to say. I like it!
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janine
I've never been a fan of the Ontra but the revamp is amazing and it could definitely be a pet I'd be willing to own.
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RunningWild
I've always loved otter pets and I remembered it's first revamp made me want to have one but looking back on them a few days ago, I knew it needed a revamp (and I thought of even changing my pet)
But now this revamp is by far amazing! It finally has EARS! This is really pleasing. :D
But now this revamp is by far amazing! It finally has EARS! This is really pleasing. :D
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Gracie2484
I adore the new innocent look, very impressed with this revamp, kudos, Now if we could only get a rs for the universal remote Pleaseeeeee :P
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Cass
It's gorgeous! I love the new tail design - a subtle change but it really adds to an otherwise plain pet design. Andthoselittleears. ;o;
I will have to finally break down and get a selkie character if this beauty goes through.
I will have to finally break down and get a selkie character if this beauty goes through.
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Impure
so it finally receives ears?
thanks for the poll. i like the new version. it looks more like an animal we could encounter in the wild..
thanks for the poll. i like the new version. it looks more like an animal we could encounter in the wild..
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Kingshollow
10/10, always wanted Ontras with ears. eue
Big potential to become one of my favorites!
Big potential to become one of my favorites!
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Sopheroo
@SilveredFox
Scribble was not originally planned as a color, it was a Aprils Fools joke that too many people liked and it got added as a joke color option.
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Use an overlay.I wonder - What about a retro potion? I'll go to the forums with the suggestion (and check if it's been done yet) But I was just thinking. I mean we have colorations such as SCRIBBLES on this site - what about a simple old retro potion that lets people turn pets into the old versions of colors? You have all the art done - It would only be needed for things that already exist so there would be no additional artwork needed or necessary, and it would solve the problem of a few people desperately missing the old versions of things. Best of all the worlds perhaps?
Scribble was not originally planned as a color, it was a Aprils Fools joke that too many people liked and it got added as a joke color option.
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TracyH
@SilveredFox , Subeta has always done this as far back as I can remember. Maybe in my years of lesser activity or lack of internet they might not have. If so forgive my comment.
I remember asking for a retro potion to have older versions of pets. This is not first proposed revamp of the ontra. I think it has already been revamped twice.
I like the new Chibi Ghostly and the new Bloodred Cybill, but I also loved when both of these pets came with hatchets.
@Rah, I voted with new simply because it is furrier. Does anyone have pictures of the original Ontra?
I remember asking for a retro potion to have older versions of pets. This is not first proposed revamp of the ontra. I think it has already been revamped twice.
I like the new Chibi Ghostly and the new Bloodred Cybill, but I also loved when both of these pets came with hatchets.
@Rah, I voted with new simply because it is furrier. Does anyone have pictures of the original Ontra?
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TaintedTamer
The proposed update looks so much better - more realistic? And the ears and oh goodness, what a cutie. <3
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Austria
I never noticed that Ontras didn't really have ears. oO
That's pretty cute, though, I must admit. I really like those revamped flukes. I might consider changing my Ash to one (he's supposed to have water powers anyway).
That's pretty cute, though, I must admit. I really like those revamped flukes. I might consider changing my Ash to one (he's supposed to have water powers anyway).
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Ninja
The Ontra's always been a bit of a 'meh' pet for me, but I really like the proposed new design!
I want one!
I want one!
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SilveredFox
We're being... asked? Thank you so much! It feels good to actually get a voice towards something that's a bigger change. I personally think the ontra is cute no matter what the version (I do like the new one actually) the ears and tiny fins add something adorable.
I wonder - What about a retro potion? I'll go to the forums with the suggestion (and check if it's been done yet) But I was just thinking. I mean we have colorations such as SCRIBBLES on this site - what about a simple old retro potion that lets people turn pets into the old versions of colors? You have all the art done - It would only be needed for things that already exist so there would be no additional artwork needed or necessary, and it would solve the problem of a few people desperately missing the old versions of things. Best of all the worlds perhaps?
It might be a bit tricky to implement, but maybe it would be a good happy medium with revamps.
I wonder - What about a retro potion? I'll go to the forums with the suggestion (and check if it's been done yet) But I was just thinking. I mean we have colorations such as SCRIBBLES on this site - what about a simple old retro potion that lets people turn pets into the old versions of colors? You have all the art done - It would only be needed for things that already exist so there would be no additional artwork needed or necessary, and it would solve the problem of a few people desperately missing the old versions of things. Best of all the worlds perhaps?
It might be a bit tricky to implement, but maybe it would be a good happy medium with revamps.
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Yuzuki
This is the first time in ~10 years I've realized Ontras do not have ears with their current design. I'm kind of upset about this revelation but honestly that proposed revamp is adorable! Look at its rounded belly and fluffy head. Artist(s) did a great job C:
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SpiritImmortal
Seeing the poll results, I think the new adorable Ontra is going to win with flying colours :D
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Andrea
Jnvresdrgh UMM I kinda wanted to vote for the old one because I don't currently have any Ontras nor do I have any characters I could turn into one (without twisting any arms anyways -chin stroke...- ).
Which is kinda problematic because hooly crap look how cute this is??! That leetle face I literally can't even qAq
Which is kinda problematic because hooly crap look how cute this is??! That leetle face I literally can't even qAq
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usagi
New one is so adorable. ;O; As a person who has a glade ontra as their main pet 99% of the time, I can't wait to see revamped ontra recolors were the revamp to happen. /crosses fingers
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Luck
the new one is AWESOME. the only thing I'm not sure about is the addition of those ears, the old one didn't have any like that. (I'm not opposed to the ears it's just a big change when you think about it) ((or maybe it's just me))
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Greyscales
Chubby cheeks! Ears! Flippier tail! Pose that resembled the old one but better! Yes to new design!
Ohh, I wonder if this means Alexander will get a revamp soon.
Ohh, I wonder if this means Alexander will get a revamp soon.
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Chey
I HAVE NO COMPLAINTS. DO IT. DO IT! I always thought Ontras were cute, but never liked them enough to own one. If that new one is revamped as it looks there- I may have to get one. Even a common one. I love the extra freckles! And the adorable lil ears! And the shinier, more curious eyes! SO CUTE.
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Gecki
Not a big fan of ontras myself, but I really like the new fin design. And the head looks much better (and cuter) now too! :)
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Klassikal
Looks much closer to an otter now. I've nevee been a fan of the species but I like the revamp.
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