FIGHT FIGHT FIGHT (Hoarfrost)

Hoarfrost is back and angrier than ever. You'll be able to battle him until 11:59pm on January 31st. That is... if you can find him.
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lacie

@ibook he's found in the ice fields
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ibook

I just want to know where I get the challenger. lol.
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Bliss

I complain due to this reason: don't say one thing and then do another without informing us of changes. I don't think that's unreasonable.
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pointycatears

We're not complaining for the sake of it, we're doing it in the hope that we'll be listened to and either something will be done to make up for the mistake, or it won't be repeated next time there's a similar scenario.
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Gemini4601

ooh looks intense
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danjhoye

I personally am just going to continue training my battle pet. Maybe next winter, it will be strong enough to earn those prizes. Stay positive, and stop complaining.
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Bliss

@BoaConstrictor
I’m ok with not finishing my beanbag and plushie collections. There’s already a lot of unobtainable items, so why not add another through a hard challenger? 🤷🏻‍♀️
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BoaConstrictor

I have a feeling, this special shop might have been like the Freyalise - the really sought after items stay as rare and unobtainable as a Hoarfrost loot. Unless it would have been one, which has every item stocked forever at a given price, like Skitters or the like.
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BoaConstrictor

I would have thought, it's instead of the other old items, so those don't get even more worthless. They are so beautiful and the beanbag doesn't fit in at all.
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pointycatears

@Allegria That sounds like a good idea.
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Bliss

I feel like we got swept under the carpet because it feels unsatisfactory….
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SpookDoggy

@Amber
I don't exactly have a horse in this race, but after reading all the back and fourth here it seems like the free gift option wasn't available for this item, and I'm just curious why that is? Is it a coding issue, a length of time between free gifts issue? Or more that it seemed unfair to release the beanbag this way when the other item was stocked in the token shop? From an outside perspective "hit a button to collect a free item" seems comparable between Melody/Christmas and the Charity gifts, but it seems like there was more at play?
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Allegria

I'm thinking the item directory needs a disclaimer: "Unreleased items are subject to change. They may be released in a different manner than originally intended, one that makes obtaining them easier or more difficult, or they may be deleted entirely."
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SheDevil

On my goodness *ANON* are you serious, my jaw hit the floor. Please contact me. And thank you :D
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Amber

Just going to reiterate I understand people are disappointed, I knew releasing it any way was going to disappoint people.

I've commented elsewhere, but the item might have originally intended to go out one way but didn't so it's not fair to keep those original expectations on them. It's not the same as if it was actually released via Melody and then we added it to the token shop/a challenger/etc. An example in mind is last year with the anniversary bag fiasco when the bags I released via Crystal Shop were on the list to be added to the bopper challengers. It was completely unfair that y'all spent those crystals only for them to be added to challengers right after.

This beanbag and the one wearable never went out any other way. They should be treated as they are now, a special shop item and loot. I completely get y'all being upset that I changed my mind how this specific item was released after saying it would be a shop item.

@Chelsea While I agree that generally it's team decisions on big things, I was the one that decided how this was released. I'm fine with people being upset with me over it! I promised one thing and ended up adjusting that. I tried to use user feedback about hey this was going to be free how could you change this to shop and put it to a challenger, but that also wasn't the way to go about it.

This was essentially a lose/lose situation all around and I'm owning that. It wasn't the fault of anyone else on staff about how this item eventually went out.
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Virus

neat! can't wait until my pet is stronk enough to face him! :)
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pointycatears

Also, if staff are allowed to change their minds about these things, they can go against the vote and release the Garden revamp and Lower West Side map before the Teahouse is finished. It's been nearly 5 years now.
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Bliss

I totally agree with @TrippyKitten

I'm not bashing anyone, but I want to touch up on "If you hadn’t known, this wouldn’t be an issue". If the item was not intended to be on site, why release it to be on site where people can look in the item directory? A way to solve things for the future is to not upload it on site until it's going to be released.

People are upset over the fact that staff do not do what they say they will do. If they said it, they should do it. If they change their mind, please notify everyone by a news post or a thread.
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TrippyKitten

Decided to check the Token shop news post for the feedback mentioned by Amber, since nothing was found in the forums. It seemed to have been mentioned once there and was addressed. All the other posts looked to be happy and fine with the item being in the Token shop. I really don't understand why a really hard battle challenger is a better choice than the Token shop for an item with the intent of releasing free. Ultimately, somewhere free is the best place for an item that was originally intended to be free. It also doesn't particularly sit well with me when staff is saying, well if you didn't know about it, it wouldn't matter. The fact is, we do know about it, we were told how it would be handled, and it was changed.

It's not just an item, it's a matter of how things are handled here.
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Chrissy

sweet glad to battle thank you ....
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Shay

I'm glad I decided ages ago to not complete those collections. Also that this beanbag wasn't one of the unreleased items I really wanted and was waiting for Melody to drop. (I'm not a fan of sloths at all. Not quite a phobia over them but I can't look at them without feeling creeped out.)
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Evanesce

Welp, never getting that. I also don't want anyone, after all the years I've been here, telling me not to be annoyed with the exact same people who've been running the show for those years. My trust in subeta staff is long past gone. We buried it, the grave grows flowers. The tree which sprouted is branching out. I literally don't believe anything they say. I'm here for my wardrobe (when it works and isn't, you know, randomly deleted) and the pets I adopted, and for my friends. Don't tell me who to blame for things going wrong. The leaders among the staff are where the buck stops, period.
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Chelsea

Also, I think it’s super important to note Amber isn’t the only one in the show here. She’s a face, sure. But it’s not like she unilaterally made the decision. And this doesn’t erase all the massive GOOD SHES done for Subeta. It’s a collective team running this show. Someone else could have stepped up and been like “uhm, maybe…?” It’s a team. Don’t drag poor Amber through the mud and run her over with a bus by herself, y’all.
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Chelsea

Is no one going to comment on the irony of equating battling an extremely hard challenger with an initially free-release item when just a little while ago we were told battling and training is super expensive, not everyone can or should be entitled to it, and Subeta can, in no way, undervalue it? This this is harder than the Gatekeeper — at least stat-wise. So I’m thinking those who beat this probably would have loved one or two of those insanely-debated boxes that released last year. That we were told was to protect an investment by battlers. Who worked hard and spent an insane amount of money on their kits. And then… are assigned an item users were told they were supposed to get via Melody. But didn’t. In the name of “not having to pay for it.” Gonna need you to make up your mind, Subeta. It’s hard to battle with whiplash.
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Roadkill

ah yes, a limited edition challenger it takes hundreds of millions of sp to train up for and properly equip to even best once, that has literally nothing to do with the beanbag people were wanting. totally free. so much better than a free gift or put under the trees for the 25th. or free shop. or just dumped in the donation corner en masse. also asking where it was so adamantly demanded for this change to make it into high tier loot drop?

eh, at least the 12 people that can fight him are happy. i have no dog in this race except for the complete left field change with no explanation that has been continuously happening even with the apparent community advocate person that was made such a deal about?
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Jovi

Y’all it’s a single item released in a way you don’t like. If you hadn’t known, this wouldn’t be an issue. It’s frustrating yes but let’s be decent to each other as well, aight?
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osterizer

If they were intended as Melody items, they really should have gone out that way; having an extra gift under the tree would not have "ruffled anyone's feathers". I don't understand why, even if Amber had gotten her count off by a day, the item didn't go out as intended.

But this is what's absolutely mindboggling:

Quote by Amber:
People provided feedback that the items were intended to go out via melody (which is free) changing to a shop where they pay was not ideal. I get that.


If Amber "gets" that changing from Melody to a shop is "not ideal", then surely she could have made the microscopic leap of logic necessary to conclude that changing again from a shop to a battle challenger only compounds the not-ideal-ness. She's been around long enough to understand that poor communication from staff is the number one most persistent complaint about this site, and saying one thing (it'll go out via a shop) and doing something different (psych! It's battle loot now!) is a textbook example of poor communication.

Whatever dubious benefit Amber imagines comes from making the beanbag "technically" (her word) free is not even proportional to the damage in trust she's caused by giving users yet another reason to doubt the word of its staff.
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bunny

i get upset when i go to the comments of the news post to find out a little more information about the item or event posted about like the days of yesteryear and i'm greeted with a lot of people berating each other and subeta as a whole. i wasn't going to say anything to add to it, i usually don't but i don't think a single item that is obtainable with a little work is worth some of the language being used here.
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pointycatears

An idea for if releasing non-weapon loot in a different way is ever approved: have the Hustler sell them like when he sold those fanciful and godly boxes with weapons in them. It would make sense as way for someone to obtain items without doing it the way they're meant to be obtained, and even if they cost a lot, it might still be less than in usershops, and would be an SP sink rather than giving the money to someone else.
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Julie

MHO: I think after Hoarfrost is gone, this item could be placed in the Battle Shop in the impossible category. Something to think about. It is a shop. Something to work towards.
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Sekhmet

Amber, you do realize that a Free Gift is an option, right? Or just drop a few hundred into the Donation Center. Or make quests have a chance to give one out (even makes sense that a sloth would be miss the holiday 'cause it's slow!) Or wait until Keith is done with the MM thing and add it to that. Not EVERYTHING has to be Token Shop, BHH, or Crystal Shop -_-

The knack Subeta has for pissing off its users is uncanny. I'm not even mad, it's just funny at this point. Let me guess, the MM items will be put into the BHH or Crystal Shop too now? Because no other options remain, of course *eyeroll*
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Konkon

@CastlesInTheSky I mean, sure, people would probably still complain about it. But at least the staff would be upholding what they said about it going to a special shop.
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pointycatears

I agree with what @usagi said, I care less about not being able to get the item (although a lot of people whose collections are almost finished will care about it) and more about the fact that we were told it would be in a special shop and then it wasn't. I've tried to be mature about this and not sound like a whiny brat because it's a very valid point. If you changed your mind, you could have said it in the forums or news comment somewhere "Oh, by the way, the beanbag isn't going to be in a special shop now, just a warning" or something like that.

I could go on about how I believe that non-weapon challenger loot should be obtainable in a different way for non-battlers, or at least loot that comes from difficult/limited challengers and therefore is more expensive in usershops, but that's not the main issue I'm trying to get across.

I didn't mind that the ice skates were released in the Token Shop, and I wouldn't have minded the beanbag being there either. Or in the Recycle shop or even the Millionaire Centre (although a lot of other people would have minded). I was looking forward to being able to buy it from one of these shops and now I'll never be able to.

But it's done now. Just please don't do anything like this next time, or maybe make sure we can't see the items in the directory so we don't know what they were originally intended for in the first place.

(Also, we could do with an easy winter challenger. One of the new challengers we got for Fireside was easy, and the other events have at least one easy challenger as well, but winter doesn't seem to).
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CastlesInTheSky

IF she threw it.
Not It she threw it.

Stuff where the beanbag was placed. We need an edit button in here.
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CastlesInTheSky

It she threw it into the BHH yall be crying over that.
I neverr see anything in there.
IT NOT FAIR!!!
I want my dummy

jesus christ.
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ChatLunatique

You Lose!
You lost to Hoarfrost. Visit the Healer before battling again!
Beginning Stats:
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abel

setting the atmosphere by listening to some of the dark souls ost
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Pandaslowpoke

Did it have to be on a seasonaly available challenger tho?
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dude

if you think having or not having the item itself is the issue then clear the fog out of your glasses
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StarShadow

Well my best pet can't beat him. Good luck to the rest of you.
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ibook

Thanks to @Amber for offering us a chance to get the beanbag that is apparently on everyone's mind. I know you do a lot for this site and it is hard to think of solutions that will make everyone happy (which can never happen).

c: To the staff - you guys rock! A hard challenger gives me a reason to keep training up my pet.
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operationivy

Neato!!!!
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Ghostface

@usagi i just wanted to say i'm so sorry if i've at all added to your frustration -- i actually didn't even know about the forum thread you linked (only the comment that promised the special shop release), which, wow, makes this more egregious than i was aware of. it's definitely more than fair to be upset and i would absolutely be taking this more personally in your position. for what it's worth, sending some love your way ♥️
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Bliss

@usagi
Both those beanbags were supposed to go out in a special shop that was supposed to be released the week of Jan 1. I understand your frustrations because I'm upset with Subeta as well. Don't say
Quote:
it will be going out via a special shop this week!

when it had no intentions of it being released that way. I feel battle loot is not a way to release something that was supposed to be free. I'm honestly nervous on what's going to happen with the other unreleased Holiday items.

I know my opinion may be unpopular with some, but I'm just stating the facts because it was concrete in the forums.
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usagi

Let me be clearer. I don't care this went to battling loot. I don't care this costs 50mil sp. I'm upset because I was told something different and this so-called "feedback" from others, I still can't find on the forums. So not only did unreleased beanbags screw up an achievement I may never end up getting, I was lied to. I know battlng is more expensive than beanbags, but maybe don't take that away? Why must we go on comparing what people like to do on a site based on how much it costs, like it's some sort of extra merit or badge? UGH. Frustrating. I *should be so grateful* I'm not a battler and I have battlers selling me this item. Thank you. Anyway-- I suppose it is more personal for me than for others. And then I have snarky comments here that I shouldn't be reading right now. So yeah, I'm getting angrier. I haven't felt upset in a while at subeta and it all begins to feel a bit silly to be this upset in the first place anyway, so I'll stop now.
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METROID

I apologize if my initial comment does across as snarky though. I do think it's sad to see promises being broken. Even if I think MM is a sucky feature, for those who do enjoy it, it isn't good that it's not...well...here still.
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METROID

I apologize, as I did not know the circumstances regarding this beanbag and what it's intention was. I only care that Hoarfrost is back considering I think he was on vacation last winter? That's all I care about with battling. The beanbag should be a permanent loot drop for him though (could you imagine this guy snuggling on this beanbag? I can.), and then it's no problem really, right? Eventually the price will stable out to be reasonable. I don't think 50mil is much considering the price most of the good weapons tend to be along with the amount of training required. Honestly non-battlers are getting the better deal here. xD
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Ghostface

it's certainly true that plenty of folks can and will get the loot and sell it, but the fact that anyone else who wants it will have to buy it (likely for a tidy sum of sp considering it's from a seasonal and difficult challenger) sits in direct opposition to the fact that it wasn't put in a special shop because, to quote: "People provided feedback that the items were intended to go out via melody (which is free) changing to a shop where they pay was not ideal." if the idea was to try to get an item that was intended to be free out in a way that was still technically free, releasing it in such a way that you either have to a) have already paid millions in training and weapons to beat the challenger or b) likely pay millions to buy it from someone who has just doesn't work. absolutely not trying to kick up any sort of fuss; just trying to make it clear that i don't think anyone who's upset about this is thinking it'll be entirely unobtainable, they're just pointing out that this solution still isn't ideal.
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TrippyKitten

Chiming in with the others disappointed the beanbag is being given out this way. Guess I'll stalk user shops for an item originally meant to be free. I'm def not investing the time and money needed to battle him. :P
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Chazezmom

what level pet would you need to beat him?
at first, I thought he was going to be one of those where we team up and wear him down.

I want to thank the staff for all they do for us; there's no way you can ever make everybody happy, you should make decisions you feel work on the site and please the majority of users.
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Asherah

one day I'll remember to battle train my pets consistently
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Victoria

Yup I agree the beanbag should have went out in a different manner. A free gift would have been most idea since it was originally supposed to be a free item via Melody.
Also totally unrelated but is there any word on how Keith is doing? Was just a little worried since its been over two weeks since he said he had covid.
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indica

"""technically free""" is doing a LOT of heavy lifting here considering the hundreds of millions of sP it costs to raise a battler to tier 12 and outfit them with the appropriate weapons and scrolls

i empathize with the people upset about the sloth, it's a cute beanbag and doesn't even match the aesthetic of the opponent it drops from. it should have just been a free holiday gift like it was originally supposed to be, come on lol
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METROID

Also you guys forget that there are plenty of battlers with high tier pets who can get the loot. And then sell it. Right?
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METROID

HE LIVES?!
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Bliss

@usagi
I think I saw that post somewhere. There are a few unreleased Holiday items.

I was wondering if we can get some not so hard challengers. In the mid 5-15k range?
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Avel

I also like the challenger loot being "technically free" when battlers invest so much time and money into battling. I quit battling because to was too expesnive for my taste.
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Nicola

"We have a free item we forgot to send out, where shall we put it?"

"How about this super hard challenger that most people can't beat, that will cost a fortune in training and weapons?"

Yeah.. great plan.
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Marissa

"The only choices were between this challenger loot the majority of the site has no chance of achieving and BHH."

fr

free gift is right there
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Trickster

Whose idea was it to place an item that was supposed to be "free" as a challenger loot? (And not just any challenger, one that not everyone can defeat 5 times)

I'm glad I didn't collect beanbags but as fond of battles, I think is unfair for the rest of users since originally was a "holiday item"
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WolfeNomad

Yes! Got it afterward! I did not want to double post and could not edit, so I waited for another comment. Thank you! And here, I did my part! I got a few little hits on him :D 27467 / 27500
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usagi

@WolfeNomad

you have to click on the 'event' tab here:
https://subeta.net/games/battle/challenge.php
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WolfeNomad

Ok, being so new (and so naïve, lol) HOW do I battle this guy? I can not find him in my opponents. Is the card something I have to buy? Yeah, yeah, I know if I try to battle I will lose, but it is just for fun.
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usagi

Just one thing I noticed ..
"People provided feedback"
Where though? No one posted in my suggestion thread on-site, so was this subeta discord or another thread I missed? /shrug
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Ghostface

Spoiler (click here to toggle)
in keeping with the actual theme of the news post, though, good luck to everyone battling! this guy will probably still be too tough for me another year from now. 😅
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pointycatears

There's not point in arguing anymore, it's just something to consider for the next time an unreleased item that we see in the directory is going to be re-purposed.
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Faizh

the furious ice giant drops a sloth beanbag.
L M A O
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Kyocera

Can we have a few easier challengers please? 😬
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Arte

seems like kinda an awkward drop...not that I'll ever be able to battle him. Doesn't really fit with his aesthetic.
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Oizumi

Great, another battle event.... so inventive, creative...
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jKat

Damn he is strong!
I'll have to re tweak the weapons and Scrolls, when I have more time.
I still can't access forums from my phone.... So annoying.
Any tips, I'm happy for people to comment me.
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usagi

I'm kind of miffed the beanbag was released this way. I was the user Amber replied to when I queried the unreleased beanbag and was told it was going in a special shop.
It and another unreleased beanbag were stopping me from getting the "completed beanbag" achievement and I didn't think it was fair?
Oh, well, I suppose now I have a goal to work toward? Yay, goals? :'D
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SillyCat81

OOOH Thank you!!! He's pretty cool and his drops are lovely :)
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Floriography

This is a joke right? You promise a special shop and then throw it as a BATTLE CHALLANGE ITEM? It's not even a challanger everyone could beat... wow this is actually wild. I can't belive this was solution that was thought up...like wow. How is a battle challanger even remotely close to a special shop? Pretty disappointed in this whole thing to be honest.
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Bliss

@dude
We didn't even get to do MM. There have been no updates about it. And honestly people breaking promises is just expected. It's over used as an excuse?
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dude

And yet again staff breaks a promise 🙄 and we are still expected to believe them
BHH would be much better as it is a shop, even if it's a really scarce one
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Amber

@Laurey The reason it didn't go out via Melody was because I honestly messed up the days, there was one set of items too many (we specifically planned for 2 a night and 2 under the tree this year). There were two items left over from the previous year I used near the start that threw off the whole count, I figured out later (like ... after the holiday was over and couldn't go back to adjust a night :))
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FCoD

Well, poor Holly, that didn't go her way at all.
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Laurey

I will say it would have been kind of funny if it had been added to the Blue Building, since it's not blue. Blame it on shipping errors or something, would have also explained why it was late for Lumi. :P
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Laurey

Quote:
There was no way this item was going to go out where everyone was happy
Well, I think if the items in question had initially been tacked on to one of the days in December as an extra Melody's Cottage item and just have a couple of days where there were 3 items instead of 2, that would have been the ideal situation if that's what they were originally intended for (I realize mistakes happen and it could have been overlooked or something, and it's too late to go back and change it now).

I'm not going to argue the point much, but I do feel like the item is a bit out of place with this challenger though. Yes there is the winter theme, but the beanbag is specifically festive for Lumi which is already over by this point, so it's a bit of an odd fit.

Stuff to consider for the future I suppose, it is what it is now.
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Amber

@pointycatears And that's completely fine for you to be upset about that. I knew no matter how this was released, it was going to ruffle feathers. The important thing was to get it out there in some way.
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pointycatears

I'm not even that desperate for the beanbag, I just think it's unfair that we were told it would be in a special shop and then it wasn't
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Amber

@pointycatears Yes, I did change my mind and release it a different way. People provided feedback that the items were intended to go out via melody (which is free) changing to a shop where they pay was not ideal. I get that. I tried with one item as battle loot because a. winter theme b. you aren't paying for it technically c. it was otherwise going to be thrown in the BHH where people would complain about never seeing it. There was no way this item was going to go out where everyone was happy, but I also did promise it would go out in some way instead of just sitting dead on the site.
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Bliss

@SheDevil
I remember seeing it as a Holiday item. Don't feel bad, though. Many people won't be able to get the beanbag. I'm included lol
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Bliss

I honestly thought the beanbag would be an item that everyone can get via Crystal shop n.n
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pointycatears

It still feels like you went back on a promise. I know I can't be the only one who feels this way. I really thought it would be in the Token Shop like the other item, since it's been over a week since that happened.
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Amber

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pointycatears

Quote by https://subeta.net/news.php?act=comments&newsid=21277:
I promised they would go out via special shops after being added to the site but not used
Just in case you needed any proof. 5th win loot for a difficult challenger is not a special shop. I would have preferred it to be in BHH (mentioned in the full comment) over this.
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Avel

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VITALY

Dead after 2 hits... Yeah, nope.
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SheDevil

The beanbag was originally labeled as a Melody item I dont see how battling a super strong opponent is a place for it. Im an avid beanbag collector and will never be able to get this
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Silvy

Will the Unstable Snow Fairy ever return? :(
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pointycatears

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hannahharmin

Never mind! I didn't check under my event tab to see if I already had opened him previously. He's WAY too tough for me to beat this year!
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hannahharmin

Are you suppose to play Ice Fields or just stand there at the beginning @Rick? I haven't found him yet.
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-HyperBlossom-

@Rick thanks for the link honey!!
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Laurey

5th win loot (with a particular special item included)

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Wesker

I would be angry too if I died for a year
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Amber

@Laurey he had a long hibernation okay
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Laurey

Oh, apparently he was around in February 2020, so not as long as I thought.
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Rick

You've found a Hidden Opponent!

Hoarfrost challenges you to a fight in the Battle Coliseum!

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Bliss

I get the feeling I'd be gone in one hit because Barin almost has 6k health lol
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Laurey

Nice, when was the last time he was even available to battle? It's been a while, hasn't it?
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Aimee

My measly weakling wouldn't stand a chance.
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