Forum Shop: Telerok
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elka
Okay cool! I am glad we were both able to express our ideas properly now hehehe. Brain needed resolution to function. Beep boop boop!!
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Muerte
@elka
I wasn't directing my comment at any single person, just a general blanket comment on why I don't see why it should be changed. If it were moved forward we'd have the problem of it still not sitting right when the HA is there (still being on the HA's feet), and being too close to the HA when put behind (unless you wear platform shoes; and possibly not even laying right as it might be too forward). Similar to the Oni decal you posted. Similarly, if it were moved back it would make it so no one can really wear it with an HA. Right now it does look like it's standing on your feet in a playful way, while still being intended behind the HA.
I wasn't directing my comment at any single person, just a general blanket comment on why I don't see why it should be changed. If it were moved forward we'd have the problem of it still not sitting right when the HA is there (still being on the HA's feet), and being too close to the HA when put behind (unless you wear platform shoes; and possibly not even laying right as it might be too forward). Similar to the Oni decal you posted. Similarly, if it were moved back it would make it so no one can really wear it with an HA. Right now it does look like it's standing on your feet in a playful way, while still being intended behind the HA.
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elka
Yeah @Muerte, I think some people really misunderstood the comment (well I can only speak for mine anyways) because obviously, we don't need cutouts anymore because V3 resolves the issue, since we can layer the base and all items in any order we see fit!! That's the reason I never mentionned it would be better for it to be cut. On my end, I was suggesting having its height approx. the same as the HA's feet would make it more usable, since this way both "clans" (lol) would be happy and would be able to wear it either in the front, or in the back. It remembers me of 
which for this one, issue is the opposite. I'd enjoy wearing it behind the HA, but because it's way low, I can't! All and all (again, can't speak for others) we all love the item and art is fabulous, it isn't "complaining" per say, we're just here to add a grain of salt and opinion and wished it was not percieved in such a negative way!! :O It's always fun to discuss ideas on my end, and it surprises me and makes me uncomfortable and sad when it's frowned upon in this community.
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Muerte
If the pup should be changed to have the HA cut out, or altered in another way, because some people are unable to understand it's meant to be layered either by itself/with like items or behind the HA... Then does that mean we should revert back to backgrounds with the HA cutout and be unable to move our HA's in the wardrobe once more ? Because there's a board being made about once a week asking for help because, once again, some people are unable to understand it's meant to be layered either by itself/with like items or behind the HA.
Sorry, but no thank you.
Sorry, but no thank you.
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Tex707
Well there goes saving up forum points. :P I want everything in this set!! Imagine if it were an actual pet? IMAGINE THE LIFELIKE TELEROK PLUSHIE!?
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Nezha-Veles
Maybe it's just me, but this item release totally makes me want an ancient ancestor pet color, lol.
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Evy
Seriously, stop making new forum shop items. They look great, but I need another 10 years on Subeta before I can buy even half of what I want...
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Misteline
@Crevan
Yeahhh, now you're putting words into my mouth, which I don't like, because I never said you said those things. SO please don't put word s into My mouth. I said I was tired of people saying that, commenting on the comment and type of comment that I originally replied to. The only reason I addressed you is because you referenced my comment shortly after I made it and appeared to misunderstand what the point of my comment was. You didn't ping me, but I noticed that you referenced something I mentioned. Tbh, I expected an agree to disagree type of response, not an accusation of personal attack, but maybe I'm communicating poorly.
Point 1. Was that elka's comment and others like it aren't silly just because they disagree.
Point 2. Was an attempt to clarify why those users might feel how they felt. Not an attack on those that do like the item, liking things is 100% A.OK. Esp, if you explain why. Just like not liking things.
Like I said: I don't like this sort of item, for multiple reasons. But I recognize that its just not for me on any level. Nice item, not my thing.
Yeahhh, now you're putting words into my mouth, which I don't like, because I never said you said those things. SO please don't put word s into My mouth. I said I was tired of people saying that, commenting on the comment and type of comment that I originally replied to. The only reason I addressed you is because you referenced my comment shortly after I made it and appeared to misunderstand what the point of my comment was. You didn't ping me, but I noticed that you referenced something I mentioned. Tbh, I expected an agree to disagree type of response, not an accusation of personal attack, but maybe I'm communicating poorly.
Point 1. Was that elka's comment and others like it aren't silly just because they disagree.
Point 2. Was an attempt to clarify why those users might feel how they felt. Not an attack on those that do like the item, liking things is 100% A.OK. Esp, if you explain why. Just like not liking things.
Like I said: I don't like this sort of item, for multiple reasons. But I recognize that its just not for me on any level. Nice item, not my thing.
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Crevan
And... this is one of many reasons why I don't like being pushed into interacting on the forums, I clearly am not a good communicator online and prefer to keep to myself haha. So, sorry if I unintentionally offended someone.
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Crevan
@Misteline - I never said your opinions didn't have purpose? Nor did I call anyone dumb or stupid, so I would appreciate if words weren't put in my mouth, because I never say that about people. I was just giving my opinion that I wouldn't like it changed, no different than you saying why you'd like it to be changed :) I'd be a bit disappointed if it were to be changed, so I was just doing as you are - saying what I like about it/why I think it should remain as is. Since I have SO many animals that cannot be layered behind, I love that this one is meant to be. Allows me more options for having many animals in the scene.
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Misteline
@Crevan
Perhaps (I wasn't saying this should be a cut out, just that that would be clearer), but I think its still important for people to say what they don't like about the item too. Otherwise how would staff ever know? If the comment section is only for praise, do away with it and just have a like button, it be just as useful. It might just be my pet peeve, but I'm well tired of every time someone doesn't like the way an item is designed or a revamp is done at least ten people show up to tell that person why they shouldn't say what they don't like about it, or to call them "silly" or "dumb" or whatever the word of the week is. You like it, we get that, say that and be done with it, because your approval does not invalidate MY opinion. Plenty of people aren't going to be able/want to buy this item just because its in the forum shop, so voting with your wallet is even less likely to express an opinion than usual.
I don't like any of the 'floating' items, because they only look right to me with particular backgrounds where the item looks well behind the HA. I don't buy them and I don't usually comment on them, but I will fight to the death for the people who want to say why they don't like them. Elsewise how would Staff know?
Perhaps (I wasn't saying this should be a cut out, just that that would be clearer), but I think its still important for people to say what they don't like about the item too. Otherwise how would staff ever know? If the comment section is only for praise, do away with it and just have a like button, it be just as useful. It might just be my pet peeve, but I'm well tired of every time someone doesn't like the way an item is designed or a revamp is done at least ten people show up to tell that person why they shouldn't say what they don't like about it, or to call them "silly" or "dumb" or whatever the word of the week is. You like it, we get that, say that and be done with it, because your approval does not invalidate MY opinion. Plenty of people aren't going to be able/want to buy this item just because its in the forum shop, so voting with your wallet is even less likely to express an opinion than usual.
I don't like any of the 'floating' items, because they only look right to me with particular backgrounds where the item looks well behind the HA. I don't buy them and I don't usually comment on them, but I will fight to the death for the people who want to say why they don't like them. Elsewise how would Staff know?
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Crevan
I'd say no design flaw... it is meant to be layered behind OR if you want it to be on its own, it can be an item on its own with the HA covered by a BG :) This is why cutting it out would be bad for those who enjoy having animals solo on their HA image. I think it would look best layered behind due to the way it is looking at where the human should be standing. I think it's a lovely item. If you don't like the concept then don't buy it I suppose.
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Wolf_Spirit
I'm torn on these items. I love the wolf part but not the Telenine part :/ I'm also echoing the others by saying that the forum point availability is super low. I've been saving for ages to have what I do and that's not many to begin with :/
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Laurey
I agree with others who have pointed out that pretty much the only way to get these items is to shell out the cash and buy forum tickets. The drop rate is super low, and for people who barely even post on the forums it'll take years to obtain everything.
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Misteline
@mouse @elka @StarShadow (for good measure)
Realistically I don't particularly care what it looks like because I don't use this sort of item, but i'd argue that if a staff member had to explain to people how the item was meant to be used then there is a design flaw. There are plenty of items that are supposed to give the effect they say the item is for and they just cut around the player avatar which makes their perspective clear from first glance. With this sort of item that players are honestly going to have to save up for months to get (if they get it from the forum shop) its kinda important that its obvious whats going on from the get go. Thats why I'd agree that this item has a design flaw.
By drawing the whole wolfthing, the artist made it appear a way that people are gonna wish/think they could/should wear it in front. If you're one of those people its actually worse to *almost* be able to use an item the way you want than it is to not be able to wear it that way at all. Especially if its hard to understand why the dogthing has to hover to be behind the player anyway. When my dog stands behind me, he doesn't look like he's hovering unless we're on an incline and the person looking at us has no depth perception. How far behind the player is this animal?
But, like I said I'm not the person this type of item is made for.
Realistically I don't particularly care what it looks like because I don't use this sort of item, but i'd argue that if a staff member had to explain to people how the item was meant to be used then there is a design flaw. There are plenty of items that are supposed to give the effect they say the item is for and they just cut around the player avatar which makes their perspective clear from first glance. With this sort of item that players are honestly going to have to save up for months to get (if they get it from the forum shop) its kinda important that its obvious whats going on from the get go. Thats why I'd agree that this item has a design flaw.
By drawing the whole wolfthing, the artist made it appear a way that people are gonna wish/think they could/should wear it in front. If you're one of those people its actually worse to *almost* be able to use an item the way you want than it is to not be able to wear it that way at all. Especially if its hard to understand why the dogthing has to hover to be behind the player anyway. When my dog stands behind me, he doesn't look like he's hovering unless we're on an incline and the person looking at us has no depth perception. How far behind the player is this animal?
But, like I said I'm not the person this type of item is made for.
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Julia
@elka
I wasn't targeting you specifically though I can see why it seems that way because I used your words but you haven't been the only person saying there's something wrong with the item because its intended purpose isn't the one you want it to be. I wasn't offended, lol, I just think it's silly to say it's a design flaw to have a specific purpose in mind when making an item.
I wasn't targeting you specifically though I can see why it seems that way because I used your words but you haven't been the only person saying there's something wrong with the item because its intended purpose isn't the one you want it to be. I wasn't offended, lol, I just think it's silly to say it's a design flaw to have a specific purpose in mind when making an item.
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Souza
"...a height that leaves them towering over the trees in the Arctic Frost."
Wait, are these minions or Godzilla kaiju?!
Dang, Telenines have some pretty enormous relatives!
Wait, are these minions or Godzilla kaiju?!
Dang, Telenines have some pretty enormous relatives!
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Souza
That is literally exactly what I've always wanted.
I can't count on finding tickets though, so instead I'll try hard earn sp to buy tickets from shops instead.
It's less efficient but I suppose it gets the job done.
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Amae
You can always buy forum tickets from people, they're expensive in shops rn but I know people who sell them pretty often :) You could try to make a thread and see if people will sell them to you at average price.
It isn't like these items are unobtainable like Referral items, they're just pricey if you want them right this very second and don't have the tickets on hand.
It isn't like these items are unobtainable like Referral items, they're just pricey if you want them right this very second and don't have the tickets on hand.
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nier
awwwwwwwwwmY GOd little qt!! i agree that its a little high on the overlay though unless it has unmentioned levitating powers
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StarShadow
I still agree with others, that the pup would look better standing on the ground instead of floating in the air. Wearing it now and it looks weird, but I don't want to hide the whole body behind the HA since it's so cute.
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adakie
Aaaaah they are all so beautiful! Will be on my wishlist for ages to come (since I haven't gotten a single ticket for that shop since it opened .... oh well, is something to hope for anyway)
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elka
@mouse I am sorry my choice of words offended you. I am sorry to seem selfish to want to use all the items on this site the way I want to. All I meant to imply is that if the item was lower, it could be worn both ways, either in the front or behind, making everyone happy instead. IMO the more options the better when designing items for human avatars, so that is my opinion, simply. The art is amazing and I adore it, I will be purchasing one anyways. Hope you'll get to enjoy wearing yours as much as I will! Happy Lumiiiii :)
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Evanesce
Very pretty Dire-Telenine! I think the points are a reasonable cost too. I do wish the forums were more active, but when it gets more active we get site-wide arguments, so... it's kind of a toss up.
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Cresenta
MUST HAVE THE PUP! 11 points is fair too so woohoo! I just wish I hadn't spent all my forum points over lumi haha xD
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Paddy
That Telerok looks amazing! :D
And thank you for putting these in the forum shop - I had 13 points ready to spend, and that's a good encouragement for me to be more chatty next year so I can afford to buy the other Telerok items :D
And thank you for putting these in the forum shop - I had 13 points ready to spend, and that's a good encouragement for me to be more chatty next year so I can afford to buy the other Telerok items :D
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Maniac
i don't get people who are upset about forum points being a rare drop. it makes sense to make some things harder to get then the others to keep the site interesting and give people some challenge / long term goals. not to mention that you can actually buy raffle tickets, unlike crypts and referral shop points for example which are both much harder to earn. also, the fact that posting on forums is rather hard rn due to the lack of activity in there..... might just be the reason why we're being encouraged to be more social. duh.
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tighnari
lol I don't want to be spoonfed subeta's items. I'd just like them to be feasible to get over a period of time. 400 posts for one item out of 72 is p ridiculous. I'd have to post over 10,000 times if I wanted all the items from the forum shop. The average active subeta user has 3k total posts in the forums if they frequent them.
And yes I did do the math ;)
And yes I did do the math ;)
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serinde
I understand encouraging to be social. It's a nice community, why not. I understand forum shop items are a long time goal, fine with that too. But, with the current drop rate/time I can spend posting, or rather spamming (cause a post "me too", "thanks for the ping" is actual spamming and would be a reason to be banned on just any other forum) I'll get the items I currently want in over 2 years. Really, long time goal :/ Good to see I'm not the only one with that problem.
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Britney
I got 7 points only rn :D I really want the bg so I will try hard to be more social and post on the forums ;P
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Tarnished
Quote:
how goddamn big are these dogs or how small are the trees
It takes longer still for them to reach their full size, a height that leaves them towering over the trees in the Arctic Frost.
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tighnari
@Sopheroo
I think the problem is there isn't a lot to post on. There's only so much thread creating and posting you can do before it really looks like spamming. And there are so many items in the forum shop now that only getting one forum point for like 25 posts (it took me 17 just now not including things I did before today) is kind of disheartening when you have a 20 point item sitting in there.
That's like, assuming you get around 1 forum point for every 20 posts, 400 points just to buy one 20 point item. We don't have enough topics or time for that. That is a TON of posting.
I think the problem is there isn't a lot to post on. There's only so much thread creating and posting you can do before it really looks like spamming. And there are so many items in the forum shop now that only getting one forum point for like 25 posts (it took me 17 just now not including things I did before today) is kind of disheartening when you have a 20 point item sitting in there.
That's like, assuming you get around 1 forum point for every 20 posts, 400 points just to buy one 20 point item. We don't have enough topics or time for that. That is a TON of posting.
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Sopheroo
If you don't have enough forum points, consider posting more in the forums. They're forum points, so you sorta have to be social to get 'em
You don't get points for every ten posts or something. It takes a lot more posting to get them, and it's one of these goals that are long-term, not short term.
You don't get points for every ten posts or something. It takes a lot more posting to get them, and it's one of these goals that are long-term, not short term.
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tighnari
Not including what I did today, I've posted 15 times in rapid succession, ran out of threads I could comment on . . . and no forum points. This is why it is a little frustrating for the items to be priced how they are. :C
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Solsticesprite
@BoaConstrictor eeyep, they kinda do. Games posts sometimes fall into "doesn't count towards post totals" but whether they do or not they still will have a chance at dropping forum points. I myself have scored about forty since the last release posing in HA and GA games threads, and by posting opinions in a lot of Suggestions and Feedbacks. Postsize doesn't seem to factor in so a me too or I like what she said is enough.
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TaleSpin
I think I have a new favorite minion... o.o Loooove it!! I wish the Telenine came in a Telerok color, beautiful markings! It'd be so perfect for my pet Wahya. Already grabbed the minion for her TC...now I gotta earn more forum points. XD
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Julia
Omg I love every one of these! I'll need to get to collecting more points, haha.
I don't understand the people in the comments saying the pup standing in the air is a "design flaw." It's meant to be behind the avatar or on its own with the body invisible. Not a design flaw at all. :/ It looks just like how a puppy would stand beside you, curled around so they could look up at you adoringly. Just because there's an item that you can't use a way you want to because it's meant for another purpose doesn't mean it's a faulty design.
I don't understand the people in the comments saying the pup standing in the air is a "design flaw." It's meant to be behind the avatar or on its own with the body invisible. Not a design flaw at all. :/ It looks just like how a puppy would stand beside you, curled around so they could look up at you adoringly. Just because there's an item that you can't use a way you want to because it's meant for another purpose doesn't mean it's a faulty design.
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Skylar
I went ahead and put the pup on my HA, and it looks fine behind the base. While it would be nice to have it fully visible in the front, I think the intention was for the pup to be next to you, not in front of you, especially considering the way the pup's head is tilted.
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Sirensong
I agree with earlier comments about the forum points. I have gotten maybe 2 since the last batch of things came out. I understand that you want to make these items a little more difficult to get, but the drop rate is ridiculously low. I tend to not even look at the items now for the forum shop when they pop up in the news.
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gothic
When I saw the "new news" thing I thought it would be about the trees. D: But these are nice items, love the necklace.
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Thelma
I love that necklace.
You guys need to make a news post or something about the body now being a layer in the wardrobe. I swear I see someone post everyday* about backgrounds not working or animals standing in the air.
*may be exaggerated.
You guys need to make a news post or something about the body now being a layer in the wardrobe. I swear I see someone post everyday* about backgrounds not working or animals standing in the air.
*may be exaggerated.
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StarShadow
I agree with the others, I don't want it behind me to hide half of it but it does look odd floating in the air.
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Tali
Awwww I am in love with this minion!! The positioning of the pup wearable kind of bothers me a little. It's freaking adorable, don't get me wrong, but I wish it didn't look like it was floating. I'm sure it'll look alright if you layered it behind the HA but it is one I'd prefer to bring in front of the HA. That's my only complaint though.
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BoaConstrictor
I'm still at a loss to understand the sense behind a forum shop, or rather gathering forum points - the tickets for random stuff were o.k., but, hey, now there are actual special items we would try to get hold of. So you want me to go and make 100 postings per day with stupid gibberish?
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Ewok
I saw the news alert and thought: OMG YES TREEEEEES.
Checked the news: nope.
First batch of forum shop items this whole year that I do not want *relieved*
Checked the news: nope.
First batch of forum shop items this whole year that I do not want *relieved*
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Jessica
Very adorable, though I'm also disappointed because I thought the news post was finally about the trees :(
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elka
@Amber but it's sad we're forced to put it behind our HA just because of that design flaw! I collect pups and dogs and wolves and loooooove this item, but I wouldn't use it behind :/ Plus, the cute little eye expression that looks up to you doesn't work feom behind either, makes it seem like it's actually looking lovingly at you... butt... hehe.
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AmberSkylar
I'm not sure if it's just me, but the Telerok pup looks odd with its current positioning on the HA. Like it's floating above your feet.
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