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This was the MAIN reason I left another community site. I will not play Subeta anymore if I'm going to be "taxed" for what I sell in my shop. I'm actually kinda sad the idea was even brought up.
I'm not worried about deflation. If items are in trades for 300K or less, then they're that rare and will deflate more unless they become useful. I am all for this idea. <img src="http://images.subeta.org/smilies/6398_emoticon_smile.gif" border="0" /> Maybe the taxes can go to better free gifts, or better, a lower inflation rate in the main shops. Maybe no inflation rate at all. <img src="http://images.subeta.org/smilies/6398_emoticon_wink.gif" border="0" />
I love the idea of increasing the prices in shops, because we all come from different time zones sometimes it is impossible to find someone online selling what you need for a quest. <br />
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I hate using the trades, items would sell much faster in shops and for me it is about a fast turnover, not things rotting in trades and deflating in price before it sells anyway.
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I hate using the trades, items would sell much faster in shops and for me it is about a fast turnover, not things rotting in trades and deflating in price before it sells anyway.
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<b>Quote:</b><blockquote style="padding:5px; line-height:15px; background-color: #FAFFFF; border: 1px solid #000000; font-family: georgia; font-size: 10;">Shouldn't that be in indication that those items are no longer worth the high prices people are asking in trades?</blockquote><br />
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Yes, that's why we have so many rare items that sell at less then 100sp now. Raise the limit of user shop only helps to create more of those items.
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Yes, that's why we have so many rare items that sell at less then 100sp now. Raise the limit of user shop only helps to create more of those items.
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How about a poll to bring back the 64 x 64 avs? <img src="http://images.subeta.org/smilies/6398_emoticon_sad.gif" border="0" /><br />
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I wouldn't sell anything in my store for the higher limit if it was taxed, especially if it was just a random unnecessary tax.
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I wouldn't sell anything in my store for the higher limit if it was taxed, especially if it was just a random unnecessary tax.
Okay then. I am going to give my opinion on this. ^^<br />
First of all, I think the higher prices are a good idea. The tax, not so much.<br />
The higher prices are a good idea because then people can go look up what the price is, and put it in the shops. Then whoever got to it first, got it. Its better than the trades because then you're not waiting...Waiting...And Waiting for your item.<br />
And I hope its not too much tax. XD;
First of all, I think the higher prices are a good idea. The tax, not so much.<br />
The higher prices are a good idea because then people can go look up what the price is, and put it in the shops. Then whoever got to it first, got it. Its better than the trades because then you're not waiting...Waiting...And Waiting for your item.<br />
And I hope its not too much tax. XD;
<b>Quote:</b><blockquote style="padding:5px; line-height:15px; background-color: #FAFFFF; border: 1px solid #000000; font-family: georgia; font-size: 10;">Trade takes forever only because no one wants those items.</blockquote><br />
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Shouldn't that be in indication that those items are no longer worth the high prices people are asking in trades?
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Shouldn't that be in indication that those items are no longer worth the high prices people are asking in trades?
<b>Quote:</b><blockquote style="padding:5px; line-height:15px; background-color: #FAFFFF; border: 1px solid #000000; font-family: georgia; font-size: 10;">What would the taxes go towards? In real life, the taxes actually benefit things - so what would the Sub tax benefit? I'm not for it.</blockquote><br />
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I would like to know this as well. If we are to be taxed, I would expect to get something back of equal value. We pay taxes in real life to benefit others who are without means, as well as to benefit ourselves. If we end up being taxed, will be we get a surplus of free items to balance this out, or will there be new features that benefit the tax paying users?<br />
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With that said, I'm not for the taxes. The only way it would work is if we got something back. Someone mentioned giving more trade/auction slots to gold account members, I think that's a better idea than being taxed.
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I would like to know this as well. If we are to be taxed, I would expect to get something back of equal value. We pay taxes in real life to benefit others who are without means, as well as to benefit ourselves. If we end up being taxed, will be we get a surplus of free items to balance this out, or will there be new features that benefit the tax paying users?<br />
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With that said, I'm not for the taxes. The only way it would work is if we got something back. Someone mentioned giving more trade/auction slots to gold account members, I think that's a better idea than being taxed.
A problem with this idea, I think, is that items will deflate. Just like cheaper items in usershops always do. Say you put something in your shop at $300,000 then the next will at $299,999 and so on and so forth and items will lose value...
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Oops, sorry. I like the thought of not having to wait and wait and wait but this would seriously deflate somethings. If someone were to price something ridiculously low and the others were to follow, it would take us right back to the beginning where everyone was rich and didn't have to earn much sp to buy what they wanted.
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<b>Quote:</b><blockquote style="padding:5px; line-height:15px; background-color: #FAFFFF; border: 1px solid #000000; font-family: georgia; font-size: 10;">My suggestion is that you UP the amount of trades per user, and give gold account members an extra 10 trades. </blockquote><br />
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Totally agreed. Or maybe they can set up an automatical trade list which works like a wishlist, only that the things on it are what you have on hand and ready for a trade. it can be integrated to current usershop, so people can see at least what you want to sell.
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Totally agreed. Or maybe they can set up an automatical trade list which works like a wishlist, only that the things on it are what you have on hand and ready for a trade. it can be integrated to current usershop, so people can see at least what you want to sell.
Kat0517 had a really good question. If the taxes were to benefit something, I would be much more inclined to accepting this idea.
Deflation of rare items, I hardly see this deflating rare items, Where was this sentiment when other rare items Like Super Rare items are already currently selling at diry cheap prices. Seeing that if prices were determined by rarity that is.<br />
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Trades right now, are already clogged with items that no body wants to take the time to wait for an offer, hope that the offer they submitted was good enough by the buyer, and hope and pray they will see the trade event in time. I don't really see a Sp increment of at least 100-200k more really hurting the economy.<br />
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Seeing how many people like to preach that this is a free market economy and people are allowed to set the prices at what ever they want. So in that sentiment, if no one does like this idea and it does get implemented than it would just be as easy to set current items above the Shop Sp Limit.<br />
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I mean look at the normal minions that were artificially increased, its really not that hard of a task to increase the cost of an item.
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Trades right now, are already clogged with items that no body wants to take the time to wait for an offer, hope that the offer they submitted was good enough by the buyer, and hope and pray they will see the trade event in time. I don't really see a Sp increment of at least 100-200k more really hurting the economy.<br />
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Seeing how many people like to preach that this is a free market economy and people are allowed to set the prices at what ever they want. So in that sentiment, if no one does like this idea and it does get implemented than it would just be as easy to set current items above the Shop Sp Limit.<br />
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I mean look at the normal minions that were artificially increased, its really not that hard of a task to increase the cost of an item.
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<b>Quote:</b><blockquote style="padding:5px; line-height:15px; background-color: #FAFFFF; border: 1px solid #000000; font-family: georgia; font-size: 10;">Yes, but trades take forever.</blockquote><br />
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Trade takes forever only because no one wants those items. I've sold some unusable and unwearable none-minion dull-looking R99 items in trade, and so far people buy them only because they want them for item hunt.
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Trade takes forever only because no one wants those items. I've sold some unusable and unwearable none-minion dull-looking R99 items in trade, and so far people buy them only because they want them for item hunt.
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GASPUH I thought taxes were for the parents to handle! T.T Nuuu! More math! dies
Yes, but trades take forever. If a user wants to hold onto your offer to see if a better one comes along you could be waiting days!!<br />
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Some people like to buy their items fast, and sell their items faster. Even if it is a loss of profit.
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Some people like to buy their items fast, and sell their items faster. Even if it is a loss of profit.
I see people marking up the higher prices to cover the taxation. I think that the trades and auctions are the way to go.
My suggestion is that you UP the amount of trades per user, and give gold account members an extra 10 trades. <br />
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I don't understand, the economy is in my opinion stabilizing after a chaotic summer, why fiddle with it now?<br />
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People need to start using the trades alot more.
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I don't understand, the economy is in my opinion stabilizing after a chaotic summer, why fiddle with it now?<br />
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People need to start using the trades alot more.
I think perhaps it could be rather interesting. Some people are fond of a quick sale, myself included. I don't have time to sit around waiting for someone to offer on my lots that tend to just rot there. As for the tax thing, perhaps it would be interesting, but what % would it be? Or could you do something along the lines of a "Shop upgrade" to make your shop a higher class Aka Priced shop? <br />
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Just a thought.
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Just a thought.
What would the taxes go towards? In real life, the taxes actually benefit things - so what would the Sub tax benefit? <img src="http://images.subeta.org/smilies/6398_emoticon_wink.gif" border="0" /> I'm not for it.
What would the taxes go towards? In real life, the taxes actually benefit things - so what would the Sub tax benefit? <img src="http://images.subeta.org/smilies/6398_emoticon_wink.gif" border="0" /> I'm not for it.
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<b>Quote:</b><blockquote style="padding:5px; line-height:15px; background-color: #FAFFFF; border: 1px solid #000000; font-family: georgia; font-size: 10;">What's preventing massive deflation of rare items right now? </blockquote><br />
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IMO, the massive deflation of many items (not only rare items) were caused by the "can't quit" glitch and the new profit of quests (so people did less quests, especially Saggi's), and some items' price are already going up after the bug fixed.<br />
And again, the price of an item isn't really necessarily related with its rarity. No one want to collect a useless unwearable Tuba even it's R93.
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IMO, the massive deflation of many items (not only rare items) were caused by the "can't quit" glitch and the new profit of quests (so people did less quests, especially Saggi's), and some items' price are already going up after the bug fixed.<br />
And again, the price of an item isn't really necessarily related with its rarity. No one want to collect a useless unwearable Tuba even it's R93.
I really, really dislike this idea, whether there be taxes or not, in fact, I think if this WERE to be made happen, there should be taxes to DETER people from doing this. This will only deflate 'unbuyable items' prices, and it will completely change the definition of 'unbuyable' to begin with. Also, though it's not really a good reason, I'm sure some people might have priced their items 'rediculously' in their shops to make them Display only, and now those items could be boughten without them realizing.<br />
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Anyway, to make a long story short, I voted that this is what the trades and auctions are for, it says how I feel exactly. But if it had a disapproval level, mine would be 10 out of 10. It's a good thought, but I see it going horribly wrong.
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Anyway, to make a long story short, I voted that this is what the trades and auctions are for, it says how I feel exactly. But if it had a disapproval level, mine would be 10 out of 10. It's a good thought, but I see it going horribly wrong.
I'm all for the increase in the top price of items in shops. I hate having to wait for someone to get on to okay a trade for 150K item or such. If someone was dumb enough under price a uber rare for 500K instead of 1 mil+, I say great. I'll buy them out and resell it at a higher price. Same thing I do now with undercutters. I hate the idea of taxes. Taxes in rl are to pay for government/services, there are no such things in Subeta. Where are these taxes going to go other then into nothingness to lower the amount of sp on the site.
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Seriously, I really don't like the idea. no matter taxed or not. For old items it might just cause a lot of deflations because people can put them in usershop instead of trade, and as long as there is ONE user tag it for a lower price, other people will just follow this price (consider so many people use autopricer). As for new items, people will just hold them in trade for a MUCH higher price, and even for low rarity items, the price will take a long time to drop until it's normal.<br />
The current economy of Subeta is very balanced, but if you insist to change the limit of usershop, it will break that balance and definitely make new users or poorer users difficult to play. And eventually it will take a long time to reach another balance. So I'd rather say, stick with the current limit will be fine.
The current economy of Subeta is very balanced, but if you insist to change the limit of usershop, it will break that balance and definitely make new users or poorer users difficult to play. And eventually it will take a long time to reach another balance. So I'd rather say, stick with the current limit will be fine.
What's preventing massive deflation of rare items right now? <br />
Trades should be for trading items for other items, shops should be for selling things for pure sP...
Trades should be for trading items for other items, shops should be for selling things for pure sP...
It depends on how much tax it would be, and how much would the limit be raised to. I voted on liking the idea minus the tax, though <img src="http://images.subeta.org/smilies/6398_emoticon_raspberry.gif" border="0" />
I completely agree with DJ...it's a good idea, but all it will bring is massive deflation of rare items. That kind of thing already happens now, people putting 500k items in their shop for 100k to sell it quickly; imagine the kind of items people will put in their shops now...items worth 1 million for only 500k?? -shudders-<br />
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It's a fine idea, but in context it really won't work.
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It's a fine idea, but in context it really won't work.
Yay, I submitted my idea of raising the sP limit in user shops just yesterday! <br />
This helps with quests and things for buying items faster instead of waiting around for someone in trades to get on, and in that time, your quest expiring... <img src="http://images.subeta.org/smilies/6398_emoticon_wink.gif" border="0" />
This helps with quests and things for buying items faster instead of waiting around for someone in trades to get on, and in that time, your quest expiring... <img src="http://images.subeta.org/smilies/6398_emoticon_wink.gif" border="0" />
Lawl. I wish I could say "No taxation without representation!" since I was JUST reading about that for homework (-.-") but... people are actually voting its okay xD
No, I won't put any items in where they are taxed, ty. but i fear other people would, and so i had to, too, because no one would care for offering on a lot in trades anymore.
I don't like too much the idea... I also hope that if taxes come the auto pricer will tell us that we have taxed items... cuz you know looking trough many items to see if they are taxed or not could be a bit long for the ones who play claws...
what if it was increased to 500k with taxes? I think it would be super convenient to be able to price items a bit higher in shops and not have to worry about trades, even if there were tax. <img src="http://images.subeta.org/smilies/6398_emoticon_wink.gif" border="0" />
Well I voted Yes with price increase and no on the taxes. Although I think taxes it the cost was reasonable then I wouldn't mind. I hate having items in trades that hardly sell well and takes up space for other items. I don't think this will cause a massive deflation because all one would have to do if they wanted to keep certain items in trades would be to price and item just above the Shop new Sp Limit.<br />
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Plus this would also help with quests, where a lot of the items fall between a low sp range, and you wouldn't have to worry about running out of time to finish etc. By waiting for a trade. =)
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Plus this would also help with quests, where a lot of the items fall between a low sp range, and you wouldn't have to worry about running out of time to finish etc. By waiting for a trade. =)
Not a good idea at all in my opinion. I will NOT use my shop for the higher priced items if that's what it comes to. Besides this is what trades and auctions are for anyways.
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I don't really like the idea of taxes,<br />
I mean if you could sell your higher priced items in the trades w/o taxes and you'd have to pay taxes to sell them in your shops, then wouldn't you keep selling them in the trades?
I mean if you could sell your higher priced items in the trades w/o taxes and you'd have to pay taxes to sell them in your shops, then wouldn't you keep selling them in the trades?
<strong>Nestly:</strong> Uhhhhh. XD That's kinda weird but... interesting. I voted for the 'that's what trades and auctions are for!' since well... isn't that what they're for? o_O; <br />
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Taxes is an interesting idea, but I don't think it's really one of those real life things people want to deal with on a pet site, ya know? Tax free Subeta! D8 <br />
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I'm sure whatever option is finalize will be good though.<br />
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(There's one recent thing I can't stand though, and that's how human avatars have taken over our icons. I had to delete my HA just to keep using mine. xB)
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Taxes is an interesting idea, but I don't think it's really one of those real life things people want to deal with on a pet site, ya know? Tax free Subeta! D8 <br />
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I'm sure whatever option is finalize will be good though.<br />
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(There's one recent thing I can't stand though, and that's how human avatars have taken over our icons. I had to delete my HA just to keep using mine. xB)
<strong>Nestly:</strong> Uhhhhh. XD That's kinda weird but... interesting. I voted for the 'that's what trades and auctions are for!' since well... isn't that what they're for? o_O; <br />
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Taxes is an interesting idea, but I don't think it's really one of those real life things people want to deal with on a pet site, ya know? Tax free Subeta! D8 <br />
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I'm sure whatever option is finalize will be good though.<br />
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(There's one recent thing I can't stand though, and that's how human avatars have taken over our icons. I had to delete my HA just to keep using mine. xB)
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Taxes is an interesting idea, but I don't think it's really one of those real life things people want to deal with on a pet site, ya know? Tax free Subeta! D8 <br />
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I'm sure whatever option is finalize will be good though.<br />
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(There's one recent thing I can't stand though, and that's how human avatars have taken over our icons. I had to delete my HA just to keep using mine. xB)
I think this would be a good idea if you could only price things up to around 300K otherwise more things will be devalued
I think the only thing increasing user shops will bring is massive deflation of rare items. I don't think this is a good idea at all.
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Taxes. eeww. <img src="http://images.subeta.org/smilies/smiley_angryface.gif" border="0" />
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~shudders slightly~<br />
As long as the tax amount wasn't high... but please, for the love of the Subetan goddesses... don't please don't ever start charging us for shop space... ~shudders uncontrollably having horrid flashbacks~
As long as the tax amount wasn't high... but please, for the love of the Subetan goddesses... don't please don't ever start charging us for shop space... ~shudders uncontrollably having horrid flashbacks~
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I think it really depends on how much tax, and what the max number will be to put in shops. Afterall that is what makes certain people live in certain areas etc irl. Taxes. :p