Stick it to the Man!: Pronoun Stickers
Posted by [NPC] Rumi
Dill
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Guys, keep it civil (this is not the place for debate) and please remember that Subeta is a very inclusive community and hatespeech, discrimination, etc. will not be tolerated here.
Staff really need to ride herd on posts like this for longer than the first couple of hours.
And also to just ban people who cross the line, because this gets really old really quickly and often it's the same people every damn time.
And also to just ban people who cross the line, because this gets really old really quickly and often it's the same people every damn time.
subeta: releases something nice and kind of useful for everyone
a dozen transphobes in a trenchcoat: (rubs hands together) it's my time to shine
a dozen transphobes in a trenchcoat: (rubs hands together) it's my time to shine
@o0SnowyOwl0o
yeah....stopped reading your novel when you started telling me who can and cannot be trans
yeah....stopped reading your novel when you started telling me who can and cannot be trans
@Day There are opinions, and there are opinions.
It's a dick move to attack someone over differences of opinion in matters of taste. I personally think that pineapple on pizza is an offence against G-d and nature and I really enjoyed Twilight, but I'm not going to call you a douchebag if you love Hawaiian pizza or think that Twilight is a horrible book.
However, the opinion that some human beings aren't worthy of equality, justice, basic respect and civility is not a matter of taste. It's bigotry, and bigotry should not be socially acceptable.
It's a dick move to attack someone over differences of opinion in matters of taste. I personally think that pineapple on pizza is an offence against G-d and nature and I really enjoyed Twilight, but I'm not going to call you a douchebag if you love Hawaiian pizza or think that Twilight is a horrible book.
However, the opinion that some human beings aren't worthy of equality, justice, basic respect and civility is not a matter of taste. It's bigotry, and bigotry should not be socially acceptable.
@Darkrai
I know, I really don't get it....I'm cis, so while pronouns might not be something I give much of a thought, I understand their importance for those outside the gender binary, and it literally takes nothing to call someone what they want to be called. Bringing up grammar is just laughable, since our society mostly speaks in slangs, made up words, textspeak and memespeak these days. I think you'd find singular they in a dictionary a lot quicker than you'd find "glamping" or "frienemy" lol
I know, I really don't get it....I'm cis, so while pronouns might not be something I give much of a thought, I understand their importance for those outside the gender binary, and it literally takes nothing to call someone what they want to be called. Bringing up grammar is just laughable, since our society mostly speaks in slangs, made up words, textspeak and memespeak these days. I think you'd find singular they in a dictionary a lot quicker than you'd find "glamping" or "frienemy" lol
I just just thinking, you know those speech bubbles that came out a few years ago? I think it would be great to have pronoun ones.
Ah, thanks for reminding me I should put my pronouns into my Subeta bio like I have on my Twitter. :V
Imagine jumping through hoops to avoid using pronouns entirely (or trying to), a way that no human being actually speaks in real life (because it's super unnatural to say "a person" or "Bob" in every sentence all the time) just to avoid accidentally respecting another human person.
Anyone else suspect that those claiming to be grammar purists/traditionalists just want an excuse not to treat trans/non binary people with respect, and don't care that the way we use language is obviously always evolving in countless ways? I've never seen anyone complaining that the pronoun 'you' used to only be plural, and therefore we should bring back thou/thee for the singular you. Anyone upset that 'literally' now has two entirely contradictory meanings (both in the Oxford dictionary) and you can only guess the meaning from whether you think the context is sarcastic or not? (off topic, but I love the English language) And I'm supposed to believe that one little pronoun change is confusing/difficult even though it's very close to how we've used the singular they for centuries?
But um, whoever the artist is they have done a great job (see what I did there?) and I'm glad that this site is inclusive. Can't believe treating a group of people as human beings is a big ask for a minority on here, but most of ya'll are great. :)
But um, whoever the artist is they have done a great job (see what I did there?) and I'm glad that this site is inclusive. Can't believe treating a group of people as human beings is a big ask for a minority on here, but most of ya'll are great. :)
Using Yikes in a newspost is rude, no matter the context of the newspost, ty. A pet revamp? Using Yikes is rude. A new SBQ line? Using Yikes is rude. New Subetapedia entry. Yikes is rude. Yikes is conotative and symbolises disgust, fear. There isn't anything positive about someone saying Yikes. Especially in that context.
It isn't that hard to understand that pronouns are important to some people. Just because they are not important to you personally doesn't mean they don't matter to someone else.
@Kenobi
uh, i identify as a clown, and i'm a little uncomfortable with that association. clowns support all forms of gender and orientation possible, that wig isn't rainbow for no reason.
#clownrights
It isn't that hard to understand that pronouns are important to some people. Just because they are not important to you personally doesn't mean they don't matter to someone else.
@Kenobi
uh, i identify as a clown, and i'm a little uncomfortable with that association. clowns support all forms of gender and orientation possible, that wig isn't rainbow for no reason.
#clownrights
i think the she/her sticker is a little difficult to read (i don't have the best eyes/best visual processing) but overall i think this is just delightful!
are the transphobes getting angry at this aware that they're on a website that has multiple lgbt characters, one of them canonically having no gender & using they/them pronouns? (shoutout to quentin, we love u)
looking in here was a big fat mistake but now i get to stuff my blocklist so
anyway i luv these stickers thank u <3
anyway i luv these stickers thank u <3
I just wanted to say that attacking people for giving their opinion is not okay, as long as they are not being rude about it. I'm all for freedom of speech, but there's no need to be a jerk for no reason; no matter which side of the argument you're on.
Even though I don't know much about pronouns, I'm glad to see people feel more included and safe because of these stickers :) It will definitely be helpful when addressing someone in the forums.
Even though I don't know much about pronouns, I'm glad to see people feel more included and safe because of these stickers :) It will definitely be helpful when addressing someone in the forums.
The blue/pink coding is used in several pride flags, such as the trans flag, (but also the demiboy/demigirl flags) so I'm not exactly bothered by she/her being pink and he/his being pink - they're the colors used to represent these genders within the community.
If anything, I think I'm more annoyed by they/them being brown, rather than light gray
If anything, I think I'm more annoyed by they/them being brown, rather than light gray
lmao are people getting mad at words in here?
anyway, these are rad, I just wish the colors were more um fun. and maybe more contrast in the design, they are a little hard to read
anyway, these are rad, I just wish the colors were more um fun. and maybe more contrast in the design, they are a little hard to read
That comment felt too harsh for me to leave it tbh, sorry. I'll change it to 'haters on here can stay mad'. My sensitive self as soon as I posted that was like no son that's not the right path...
Great stickers! Can't wait to get my trans hands all over the he/him sticker!
and the nasty people on here can die mad about it!
and the nasty people on here can die mad about it!
Wow, somebody's triggered. It's disconcerting how many "likes" that hateful little tantrum is receiving. Gross.
Anyway, thanks for the nice stickers!
Anyway, thanks for the nice stickers!
These were hard to see on my phone so I was like.. what is Ne Nim ???? (i couldn't even see she her)
cool stickers man even if they're hard to see on phone c:<
cool stickers man even if they're hard to see on phone c:<
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What did I just read. Wow.
All I can say, really, is I'm glad I'm not staff. Otherwise I'd be making an entire hoard of they/them items out of sheer spite.
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What did I just read. Wow.
All I can say, really, is I'm glad I'm not staff. Otherwise I'd be making an entire hoard of they/them items out of sheer spite.
Everybody who whines about They/Them pronouns are gonna be PISSED when they suddenly find out they can’t do Quentin’s quests anymore...
Andalite_Bandit "entitled"??! Entitled?? In real life, I hide. The internet is the only place I feel safe saying who I truly am. It feels wrong on every level and it HURTS but I don't say anything because I don't want to get yelled at and I want to be hired and I want to be have friends and be safe.
You know that only HALF of all trans people (including nonbinary) live to 30? (mostly because either suicide or getting murdered). I wouldn't exactly call that the picture of entitlement.
It's not an aesthetic. It's not trendy. It's not safe. Every trans person is really brave and deserves a lot better than the shit you're giving them.
You know that only HALF of all trans people (including nonbinary) live to 30? (mostly because either suicide or getting murdered). I wouldn't exactly call that the picture of entitlement.
It's not an aesthetic. It's not trendy. It's not safe. Every trans person is really brave and deserves a lot better than the shit you're giving them.
"Hey could you tell that person I need to talk to them?"
...you - you do realise that's literally you using a pronoun, right? That's exactly how pronouns are used. I mean, props for you using the neutral even while angrily swearing about how it's not necessary, but...
...you - you do realise that's literally you using a pronoun, right? That's exactly how pronouns are used. I mean, props for you using the neutral even while angrily swearing about how it's not necessary, but...
The grammar I was taught were from teachers who followed rules that were formalized far before the end of the previous century. Do we need to be angry at our language? I don't believe that would be necessary. On the other hand, we can't be ignorant of the shortcomings either. We will eventually take the place of our teachers, and be responsible for what we teach. Instead, we need to seek and promote understanding why these rules should be changed in order to gain wide acceptance. (For example, it's really clunky to use "the person" instead of "them" when other pronouns don't suffice.) This also goes for other things we learn and teach.
Yikes, should have known better than to look at the comments.
Loving these stickers anyway, thanks!
Loving these stickers anyway, thanks!
What do I do if I just want the stickers for sticker collection purposes?
Will this confuse people or no?
Will this confuse people or no?
Usually I keep my mouth shut in things like this, but as someone who use to cringe at the grammar side of this, I feel the urge to point out a few things. We use they for a singular person now quite normally in our language. You're at a party, head to the pizza and notice it's gone. In a moment of verbal though you say, "Someone at the last slice of pizza". A person next to you comments, "Yes, they did". They use it because it could have been anyone, they don't know for sure. Could they say, "Yes he or she did", of course, but we don't normally speak that way. And so when you're faced with a situation where you don't feel like a she or a he, what do you do? Sadly, you borrow something else that already exists. "It" sounds offensive as Hell, frankly, so you go with "they". Is it annoying to see they used in this context? Absolutely. It is annoying, because it shouldn't have to be that way. There should be a wonderfully singular pronoun for whoever needs one. I wish we had a plethora to choose from. After all, there is a spectrum that exists in the middle of she and he. But you have to be careful online, because being annoyed at the grammar, at the lack of current options is one thing, but being annoyed at it, and saying that in a place where people have no current choice is another. Be mad at the language, not the people who are being limited by it. Language is not stagnant, it evolves. Every year things get added, removed, changed and so on. The English we speak now is much different than the English of a few hundreds years ago. Hopefully when we look back in the future, we'll feel unbelieving in that there existed a time when this was an issue. Hopefully there are more choices then, that everyone has a pronoun as they deserve. If not, at the very fucking least, hopefully we can update the word "they" to be what it's suppose to be, inclusive of everyone.
That all being said, Subeta, I love you... but the blue/pink thing.... we can do better.
That all being said, Subeta, I love you... but the blue/pink thing.... we can do better.
@Sopheroo
I have yet to hear something similar to 'iel' or 'it' in Romanian ;p
It's good that people created something of the sorts in French. This proves that the language is alive not just used ;) Since i don't live in France, nor actively speak French, i didn't hear it, hence i couldn't know. Thank you for telling me :)
I have yet to hear something similar to 'iel' or 'it' in Romanian ;p
It's good that people created something of the sorts in French. This proves that the language is alive not just used ;) Since i don't live in France, nor actively speak French, i didn't hear it, hence i couldn't know. Thank you for telling me :)
@innamoramento
In French, the pronouns "iel" is a neologism used for people who are non-binary, but it's a very recent thing, and most media, written and oral, will prefer using the default "il" for unknown gender instead.
We're not quite as progressive as english is, but I could see the common usage of a french neutral pronoun in my lifetime!
In French, the pronouns "iel" is a neologism used for people who are non-binary, but it's a very recent thing, and most media, written and oral, will prefer using the default "il" for unknown gender instead.
We're not quite as progressive as english is, but I could see the common usage of a french neutral pronoun in my lifetime!
subeta is really giving me 2012 tumblr discourse vietnam flashbacks with all these mogai-ish updates and how aggressive the comments get lmao
( Smh at the "Yikes" comment just getting more and more likes overtime -__- That's a yikes, that that many people would agree with that comment... )