Stick it to the Man!: Pronoun Stickers
Posted by [NPC] Rumi
sigh the grammar people have showed up again...
Go away. You know the rules are made by the people in power, and that applies to the rules about "proper" language as well? A lot of marginalised people have to break the "language rules" when expressing themselves because "mainstream", "proper" language doesn't include the words for how they feel.
Go away. You know the rules are made by the people in power, and that applies to the rules about "proper" language as well? A lot of marginalised people have to break the "language rules" when expressing themselves because "mainstream", "proper" language doesn't include the words for how they feel.
I didn't even realize we didn't have these, so thanks for adding them. But don't we also need the I/you/us as well, now? (just wondering)
I understand the purpose of these ones, so please don't bite my head off for a small question.
Everywhere i go i hear people using bad grammar and they don't give a flying crap!
Chinese has a single word for he/she/it, it's just written differently. i believe there's no Romance language that has a gender-neutral pronoun like English does. And then there's Finnish or Swedish with no such pronouns, of any gender... so people from any country trying to learn any of these languages have a hard time figuring out which pronoun to use... Should they just not speak because they're scared of making a mistake that goes against basic grammar? Like whaat?? LMAO!
I understand the purpose of these ones, so please don't bite my head off for a small question.
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I almost spilled my coffee reading this... i seriously can't stop laughing XDDDDDDBut I cringe every time I hear a singular person refer to himself or herself as they or them. It goes against basic grammar.
Everywhere i go i hear people using bad grammar and they don't give a flying crap!
Chinese has a single word for he/she/it, it's just written differently. i believe there's no Romance language that has a gender-neutral pronoun like English does. And then there's Finnish or Swedish with no such pronouns, of any gender... so people from any country trying to learn any of these languages have a hard time figuring out which pronoun to use... Should they just not speak because they're scared of making a mistake that goes against basic grammar? Like whaat?? LMAO!
@KimC People who refer to themselves as they are not properly described as "himself" or "herself". (Especially not in allcaps.)
They are neither male nor female. Would you prefer that they refer to themselves as "it"?
Seriously, what is your problem with understanding that people use singular they to refer to themselves because the English language does not offer any "official" gender-neutral pronouns for people, as opposed to objects?
Language, grammar and spelling change over time. It's a natural process.
They are neither male nor female. Would you prefer that they refer to themselves as "it"?
Seriously, what is your problem with understanding that people use singular they to refer to themselves because the English language does not offer any "official" gender-neutral pronouns for people, as opposed to objects?
Language, grammar and spelling change over time. It's a natural process.
@Frankenchokies "It's just a joke!" is a lame defence even when the person who is being racist/sexist/homophobic/transphobic makes it themselves. Making it on the behalf of someone else is just...weird.
i cringe every time someone has to impose cisnormativity on other people when it's none of their business (^:
have fun with ur grammar.
have fun with ur grammar.
For people who want to educate themselves on the usage of the singular they, my sources are from this link : https://public.oed.com/blog/a-brief-history-of-singular-they/
@KimC
The new Oxford Dictionary has accepted the usage of the singular they for the last twenty years. However, still according to the Oxford Dictionary, there has been presence of the singular "they" since late in the fourteenth century, meaning that it could have been used in verbal language earlier than that.
The new Oxford Dictionary has accepted the usage of the singular they for the last twenty years. However, still according to the Oxford Dictionary, there has been presence of the singular "they" since late in the fourteenth century, meaning that it could have been used in verbal language earlier than that.
@KimC
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Singular_they
Lmao it's been used for centuries, fake grammer girl
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Singular_they
Lmao it's been used for centuries, fake grammer girl
These are great!! I'm very thankful for all the trans/non-binary inclusive/focused items. It makes me feel seen and I appreciate that ?
Fellas, remember what ole' Nietzsche once said 'you can please some of the people some of the time, but you can't please all of the people all of the time'. So quit complaining if the stickers are blue or pink or whatever, and just thank the nice Subeta staff for the great stickers. )sticking my tongue out at all of ya)
The only thing "yikes" about this is people who have been on Subeta for years and are somehow still surprised whenever they're reminded that the staff and majority of users are LGBT+ friendly. Like where have you been?
For those who dislike/can't accept that the world isn't black and white and humans come in a wide spectrum of colours, genders, sexualities etc. and that Subeta reflects that: why are you here? I'm not demanding you leave, absolutely not, I'm just curious.
@Sigilmancy
Yeah I saw that after I'd posted. Good point, there's no reason to waste time and energy on someone like that.
Yeah I saw that after I'd posted. Good point, there's no reason to waste time and energy on someone like that.
@julian
Considering they asked if it would be a 'hate crime' to put the wrong pronoun sticker on someone I can also only assume this. Best not to waste any more time and effort on them, it's not worth the time or energy.
Considering they asked if it would be a 'hate crime' to put the wrong pronoun sticker on someone I can also only assume this. Best not to waste any more time and effort on them, it's not worth the time or energy.
Yeah, I think that "Yikes" on a post about pronouns sticker is that bad, and I'm cisgender. If anything, I think that that one word can only represent disgust, and their subsequent comments weren't much kinder. No, they were more "Yikes"
But let's extrapolate, shall we?
That Yikes, as well as the four people who have liked the post, wasn't said because they hate the concepts of personal pronouns - these individuals most likely use gendered pronouns for themselves. The issue isn't with the art either - the art is simple, efficient, and doesn't look like it came straight from 2005. It's a modern style, and it works well. Kudos to the artist.
So, if they don't have issues with the concepts of pronouns in linguistics, and have no issues with the art, what could they be "yiking" about? The answer is quite obvious, isn't it.
Could it be the fact that people they don't think "worthy" of these pronouns are now free to use these items. Could that disgust be loathing towards people who do not want to abide by the gender binary, people who feel more comfortable with other pronouns than the ones they were assigned at birth.
Extremely likely.
Subeta has been, from its inception, including of everyone. We have gay, lesbian, agender, transgender, non-binary, aromantic, asexual; and we could keep on talk about the bodily and racial diversity shown on site. Subeta has been lightyears ahead of most media, and that's important to mention it.
In conclusion, while I think that "Yikes" is never an acceptable answer to any news post on Subeta, it's doubly disturbing to me, concerning the subject.
But let's extrapolate, shall we?
That Yikes, as well as the four people who have liked the post, wasn't said because they hate the concepts of personal pronouns - these individuals most likely use gendered pronouns for themselves. The issue isn't with the art either - the art is simple, efficient, and doesn't look like it came straight from 2005. It's a modern style, and it works well. Kudos to the artist.
So, if they don't have issues with the concepts of pronouns in linguistics, and have no issues with the art, what could they be "yiking" about? The answer is quite obvious, isn't it.
Could it be the fact that people they don't think "worthy" of these pronouns are now free to use these items. Could that disgust be loathing towards people who do not want to abide by the gender binary, people who feel more comfortable with other pronouns than the ones they were assigned at birth.
Extremely likely.
Subeta has been, from its inception, including of everyone. We have gay, lesbian, agender, transgender, non-binary, aromantic, asexual; and we could keep on talk about the bodily and racial diversity shown on site. Subeta has been lightyears ahead of most media, and that's important to mention it.
In conclusion, while I think that "Yikes" is never an acceptable answer to any news post on Subeta, it's doubly disturbing to me, concerning the subject.
@Frankenchokies
Sigh. You know I'm not considering you quoted me and you were whining about people being angry. :unamused: I was right that your feelings about people's identities don't change reality and there's no valid reason to defend an anti. I can only assume you're also one.
Sigh. You know I'm not considering you quoted me and you were whining about people being angry. :unamused: I was right that your feelings about people's identities don't change reality and there's no valid reason to defend an anti. I can only assume you're also one.
@Sigilmancy
Anither good point... I was just thinking a wearable button would make more sense.
Or do we have those already? We might, in which case nevermind.
Anither good point... I was just thinking a wearable button would make more sense.
Or do we have those already? We might, in which case nevermind.
@julian
You seem to be talking to someone else.
Side-note, will it be considered a hate crime to mis-sticker someone?
You seem to be talking to someone else.
Side-note, will it be considered a hate crime to mis-sticker someone?
@Frankenchokies Seeing as how you can now also do the item= code they have much more use than just stickers. People can use that code to put them in profiles or signatures to let others know how they identify, and it can be great TC fodder for pets as well so their gender is more visible than just the site's markers. Plus, as pointed out, you can use the Hustler's service to stick stickers on yourself :)
@Frankenchokies
Can't even mention me but I see you anyway. Yep, antis' opinions are worth less than dirt and people are rightfully angry when someone goes out of their way to be nasty about their identities. Again, why do you people feel you deserve respect when you show none? Why should anyone take you, your identity, name, occupation, whatever seriously when you choose not to take others' seriously? Do you really not understand why people get angry and upset when you disrepect them?
Can't even mention me but I see you anyway. Yep, antis' opinions are worth less than dirt and people are rightfully angry when someone goes out of their way to be nasty about their identities. Again, why do you people feel you deserve respect when you show none? Why should anyone take you, your identity, name, occupation, whatever seriously when you choose not to take others' seriously? Do you really not understand why people get angry and upset when you disrepect them?
Instead of "let people know" it should be, like, "let friends know so they can stick you and let people know".
Also don't know how these stickers are supposed to be used, I mean you sticker FRIENDS not yourself so seems weird...
Read all the anti-Xena comments before seeing the actual comment... and it was only "Yikes"? Seriously you're crucifying them for that? XD
Unintentionally ionic comment:
"though your feelings don't change reality"
Haaaaa. Oh my.
Unintentionally ionic comment:
"though your feelings don't change reality"
Haaaaa. Oh my.
I'm cis, he/him/his and like blue.
BUT perhaps the artist/s could do a recolour on the stickers to something other than blue and pink. Perhaps purple and yellow or green and orange? That way everyone can be happy with the items. Hopefully. ^_^
BUT perhaps the artist/s could do a recolour on the stickers to something other than blue and pink. Perhaps purple and yellow or green and orange? That way everyone can be happy with the items. Hopefully. ^_^
Nice to spot (and block) the bigot. But I will agree it is somewhat 'yikes' to see that the male and female pronoun stickers are colored in the stereotype of the gender binary ):
hmmm cool cool cool
but emmm ..kind of weird to see the him sticker being blue and the her sticker being pink ):
but emmm ..kind of weird to see the him sticker being blue and the her sticker being pink ):
It... was my joke?