@Pinocchio thanks for letting me know. I just bought my glacier potion long ago when I made Corellon :)

Only one I can come up with is getting lost a certain number of times, or getting lost right at the end: All Work and Snow Play

If I could find that one scene from the Shining... ;)

@Amber I think the reason people are saying MM was scrapped/not going to happen etc. is because this past Luminaire, it didn't happen, it's been scrapped!! We were told 3 different times that we'd have it, just at a later date. (First in Dec, then January, then February.) Now, due to not having MM done, the items are being released in the ice fields. Hence, MM being scrapped and not happening for this past Luminaire that was supposed to have taken place. I'm thinking others, myself included are meaning that, not future MM this coming December. I am very disappointed that MM isn't happening as it was/is an integral part of Luminaire. Luminaire for the first time in the 12 years I've been here fell flat. No MM, no Forum Boxes, and now to add insult to injury, the items are being released in the ice fields, which as many people have pointed out, they can't get past the first or second choices as far as directions to choose from. I honestly find the ice fields frustrating as heck.

fwiw when I did the Ice Fields & Crypts every day for a while I got everything I wanted & the achievements. I stopped doing them once I got them and will start again when there are new rewards; seems pretty simple & fine to me.

@Avel
Oh man, I've done that and I hate it (clicking the item instead of the buy link and missing it). Another thing that bothers me about BHH is how it's competitive like that, someone can grab the prize from right in front of your face.

I agree with you, shopping sucks lol. Anyway, I just wanted to assure you it's not as hopeless as it might seem at first, especially since some of the chance games on here really are frustrating as heck. I don't think you should give up. But taking a break is understandable, especially from socializing...I drop off the face of the Earth all the time and usually just lurk. See you around during Survival! (I'll be lurking and biting lol)

Thank you Amber! Excited for this ^_^

@Atomic
I really don't, actually! I've seen a few things but only got one because I forget that you have to click the link and not the item. Me having more luck with BHH is that I have one tier of the achievement and I don't have the other two because I lose right away. Something about going to an empty shop isn't nearly as frustrating to me. That being said, if I had to chose MM or Ice Fields, I would take the Ice Fields, because shopping is even more stressful than getting angry with a game mechanic I don't like. If it wasn't so dragged out and we weren't made to wonder where our items were for two months, I wouldn't be so mad either.

I dunno, between this and my life, I've contemplated stepping back from Subeta, or just more mindless things and ignore the news/news posts/discord a bit more until Survival shows up.

@Avel
Then I think you must be prioritizing the BHH, or you have some crazy weird luck. :) I'm on here every day, and every day I check the BHH several times and attempt the Ice Fields several times. Getting an item from the BHH is a MUCH rarer occurrence for me. I really do sympathize with you and I'm sorry you're feeling discouraged; RNG can be a huge pain in the butt and it's certainly not the most exciting game mechanic. But I think people are really overestimating the difficulty of the Ice Fields based on trying a couple times and giving up. You're probably not going to make it through on the first try, but if you keep at it, it's pretty much guaranteed eventually. And finding the other items besides the water bucket is pretty common, as evidenced by the fact that most of them are usually only worth like 25k, same as most other easily-obtainable game prizes.

I would rather this stuff just get released already so we can stop talking about it and get on with Survival, which in my opinion is a lot more fun and interesting than any revamp of MM could ever be.

I can't remember, is this canceling out the old Mm where we would send items to a random Mystery person? Because that was fun.

Tbh, I'm feeling ambivalent toward MM and the items at this point. I'd much prefer staff to focus on making Survival go smoothly (imo the best holiday and no I am not taking criticisms).

1) Find a small amount of sP - title "Snowbank"
2) Got lost in the snow - title "Icy you", "Have an Ice Day", "'Scold Outside", "Brain Freeze"
3) Find cookie - title "Frost Flakes"
4) Meet cub with no cookie title "Frostbite", "Iceberg lettuce"
5) Find cub with cookie - title "License to Chill"
6) Find a carrot - title "Snowman's Fart"
7) Find a weapon - title "Guns and Frozes"
8) Find the handle - title "Have handle, will travel"
9) Find handle and get lost - title "I can get Snow Satisfaction", "No bucket, no cry"
10) Find the bucket - title "King of the Chill", "*User* didn't kicked the Bucket", "*User* Completed the Bucket List", "Merci Bucket!"

Just came up with a title: Flash Frozen!

In the same vein as the insta-bomb achievement for Balloon Sweeper, perhaps an achievement where your first click is an insta-fail?

Winter Wonderland ____

Funny enough, I've had better luck with BHH. I just tried again and lost in one click. Yeah, I don't need any more discouragement or RNG based "fuck yous" in my life right now. I'll wait for the other people who have better luck than I.

madonna - frozen.mp3

Honestly, I never made it thought the ice field and gave up a long time ago. I just restarted doing it again. I didn't see a reason to really do the ice field. I think this makes it useful again to do and also makes people aware of the feature that isn't used much or given love. I also like they aren't retroactive as it makes us use the feature and maybe if we use it we can give the staff more feedback on it to make it better! If somethings not used much its not going to get better if needed.! now that we are going to need to use it to get items and/or achievements we can use that to suggest issues with it that might help it get better and create a new spin on it! I also have to say I Love the idea to include the old melody items in it somehow just like you did the with the other games for Halloween items.

Maybe as your walking thought the snow you stumble over something.. is it a rock. oh look its got a tag on it looks like melody dropped a present well going to deliver it. You pick it up and take it home to open it. Maybe an achievement for finding so many gifts.
gift finder .
user found melody's lost stash or user found melody's secret stash users fallen for melody or because of melody
maybe in the future an idea for the staff could be to have a place to turn in the gifts and get something in return. maybe even an achievement for that..

sorry this is so long but a lot of ideas came well writing it.

I don't see why people are complaining so much when the items were going to be RNG-based anyway. The way I see it, it's not much different from quest rewards, especially when old holiday items are temporarily released through them. Or the carnival games giving out Morostide items.

"elitist" lol wut? Literally everyone has the same odds with RNG. I've been doing the Ice Fields every day for years and it's really not that bad. I've found all the items more times than I've cared to keep track of. I just got the polar water again the other day. Try not to get discouraged; I promise you it's better than BHH!

(You want to know what really is a practically impossible chance game? Finding the treasure in fishing. Or maybe getting all the way through Mind Reader. Or the achievements for perfect games of Reflection and Divine Discs. Ice Fields and Crypts are nowhere near that level of frustrating.)

I forgot the ice fields exist. And I also forgot the crypts existed until now. I quit doing these because the chances to get through are horrible and they stopped being fun/interesting for me. I do have 39 of those buckets minus a few I'm sure I used or sold, so I must have had luck at one time years ago lol I'll have to get back into doing the fields now.

Now if only the ice fields alert button was on the page when you lose instead of having to refresh the page.... at least I remembered to check that the url changed after setting the alert.

Yeah, bo excited it for this. I've tried the ice fields several times since Amber made the first hint and I haven't gotten past the second click. I'm usually not even able to get past the first. Guess I'll just buy them because I'm pretty sure I'm not getting any of the achievements.

Staff: we will not make you guys wait till next Luminaire for MM! It Is coming soon with wonderful updates
Also staff: sike, have this RNG headache instead lmao

How about we just scrap the ice fields and replace it with something that isn’t a headache?

These elitist activities like BHH and Ice fields stink. Trying to put a bow on a turd still makes it a turd.

I don't think this was said or already attached to an achievement?

-User- is on thin ice

The king of the north -user-

Honestly, I'm pretty happy about the stuff going to the Ice Fields instead of MM. I actually trust RNG to eventually give me what I want more than I trust random anonymous people to reciprocate gifts fairly. I wasn't all that hyped about "revamped MM" and pressure to participate in something I've had bad experiences with for achievements. If you guys really want to send anonymous gifts, you can do that any time without an event surrounding it. There are gift exchange threads all year.

Also, I'm glad the achievements won't be retroactive. It would be boring to already have them all unlocked the instant they are released.

I'm excited about these changes to the Ice Fields. I stopped doing it after I got the bucket, so it's nice to have some encouragement, and even if the wait times are still long, I hope it will actually tell you how long it is instead of just saying "some time".

@Rick Like I've said, the change to MM isn't canceled or anything and will be ready for the next Luminaire. Snowtapult wasn't forgotten! I wanted to wait to see if we'd need to close it for the duration of Survival or not before editing the achievement. If we have to close it for the holiday, then I'll be decreasing the achievement a bit more to be honest. With Bug leaving, I'm leaning towards the hex/strain issue still being a thing during Survival so snowballs will have to close for a bit. I don't have all that information yet, so I can't say for sure!

And yes, while it's easier to throw these items in a shop, we still want people to interact with a thing. That was the point of these going out via Mysterious Melody, to encourage interaction!

As far as the games broken, I honestly can't do anything about them. I am in no way advanced enough to fix games like that! Ice Fields, sure no problem. The testing I'm doing is mostly making sure the items do unlock in the parts I want it to, making sure the timing isn't insane, making sure the achievements work, etc. Nothing too complicated! Totally different from an actual game.

@BoaConstrictor Yeah, the odds for the items right now aren't great. I'm going to be adjusting that and my plan for these items are some will be in the random pool, some will be introduced in other parts of Ice Fields, and yeah. Not just throwing them all to the same bit and hoping for the best! :)

Thanks for the update Amber (and let's face it - we're all human, and stuff happens that means we can't always make the deadlines we'd hoped!)

I don't have any new ideas, but I'm loving all of the forum titles suggested here :D (and thanks for the confirmation that Mysterious Melody will reappear next Luminaire)

I just checked... I have around 50 of each of the items found in the Ice Fields - and that mostly since they were introduced (how many years?) and going there several times a day. Not much... It's going to take a good while to find everything plus new ones (and probably a certain amount of them)...

I bit off topic..

Already came to mind with the last post... Bucket of Polar Water is going to go down in price immensely with everybody in the then crowded Ice Fields, lol. Especially with no new Glacier pets...

I am sad that the revamped MM isn’t coming. I don’t care about the ice fields or items, I just wanted to exchange a few presents and send stickers to communicate. I was excited what was promised, being paired up with active users or NPCs instead of no-shows.
Now we’re getting a randomized ice fields.. Ah, well, and of course the announced deadline wasn’t met. I read that you had a lot of issues and that sucks..
hopefully the revamped MM will be ready this year. Please don’t forget. 🙈

Well that’s a bit crap if it’s not retroactive; I’m pretty sure I’ve found all the items already; hardly seems fair

Did it for the exposure
Latitude adjustment
Don't give me that latitude
:p

How about one for finding the bear without the cookie? Animals that get mad when you don't have a treat are hilarious when youre not in danger.

@Thaliel The ice fields are sort of similar to the crypts in the way that you have to choose directions to go and hope you make it to the end. You have a chance of finding some items on the way and if you make it to the end, you get the bucket of polar water which helps you make a glacier potion!

what even ARE the ice fields?

@Sekhmet There's no real way to plan for my dev server not working. Keith and I had to have multiple zoom calls this week to figure out just why it stopped working (and having to coordinate that between our other jobs lol lots of fun). I'd rather be able to test the last few things instead of hoping for the best editing code directly on GitHub and pushing to main site. I would've loved to have it out by today. Things happen. :woman-shrugging: At least this way, we've gotten some really fun ideas from users that I didn't even think about achievement wise. :)

@Tribble you and me both there. Something about being unlucky would be a good title

"Everything and the kitchen sink"
Throw every type of snowball available in the snowball shop.

Maybe the wait times could be shortened so that it's not longer than an hour? They're too random at the moment so it would be good to have an actual set time like most other features do.

Also, someone mentioned skins, which gave me the idea of including the Ice skin as an achievement prize for those who missed it during the event it came from.

In the spirit of open communication, please plan shit before you announce it so you don't have to backtrack. It makes you look unprofessional.

Oh, no @Stocking! Mysterious Melody will still be a thing it's just because of how these items were messing up collection counts and what not, we kind of have to release them in some way. Using the Ice Fields means we can get y'all to interact with a feature and it's a great time for me to add achievements etc.

@Amber Thank you, that makes more sense than what I had in mind! I thought this was supposed to be a replacement for Mysterious Melody in general. So we would be like... trudging through snow to deliver anonymous presents LOL

@allnightforever Don’t worry, I’ll be adjusting some of the odds of finding things!
@Stocking The specific items that will be going out (all will be listed in the news post) were originally slated to be part of this revamp of Mysterious Melody this past Luminaire. We were close to releasing, which is why they were visible in the item directory/in collections but a lot of things happened that made the feature get pushed back and back until it was no longer a good idea to try to force it out. So, the revamp will happen this coming Luminaire, and these items specifically will be released via the Ice Fields. There will be more explaining this in the release post though!

I'm kind of confused how Mysterious Melody items would go out via the fields, like how the mechanics would be combined. Was this explained somewhere else before?

Welp, I’m not getting a single Mysterious Melody item 😕 have literally never gotten a single thing from the ice fields and lose after one/two turns the entire time I’ve been on this site, and I’m very diligent about doing it whenever I’m awake and the cooldown is done. I was really excited for my first Mysterious Melody too 😪

You could do "User invalid got/was iced!" if someone went through the Ice Fields but was 1 or 2 'steps' away from actually going through and ended up getting lost!

You could do "User invalid got/was iced!" if someone went through the Ice Fields but was 1 or 2 'steps' away from actually going through and ended up getting lost!

A forum title could be - Totally Chill

Ugh. I have never had any luck with the ice fields, so I find this pretty discouraging.

Not retroactive? Darn.

I would like a title to be Lord of the Ice Castle for completing all the achievements! Maybe get a special weapon or prize!

Mysterious Melody will be updated for this upcoming Luminaire, so it's not being scrapped or anything. The items are going out purely because they are messing with collections and have been not-staff-items for too long to sneakily hide them again. There's nothing to say there won't be new items for MM at Luminaire, just these set of items won't be involved. :)

@jensen

I thought that title sounded familiar LOL

Maybe instead: There's snow getting out of here for "User"

@jensen see how much I pay attention? hahahahaha

@Jazmine
we already have "USER is snowed in!" it's a reward for this achievement :D

@Wesker
we've got "USER is cold as ice" with this achievement B) though that means my "USER is cold" is kinda redundant lol, i should've checked before suggesting x)

Not excited about all the items going out via the ice fields. That's so random. I'd like to be able to gift folks and know I'm getting an item. If I am depending on completing the ice fields to get items, I may as well not bother.

A good one would be "________ got snowed in" for getting lost in the field a certain amount of times.

Forum title suggestions

______, stumbling through the snow.

______ survived a blizzard.

Ice, ice _____.

COOKIE MONSTER!
Find the cookie 5, 10, 100 etc... times

+1 to just about all the achievement ideas, and the option to find old melody items. And I can't wait for hopefully multiple ice titles!

Somewhat related ideas:
- If there isn't another plan to bring Dungarde's decorating quests back, that could also be a random unlock from the ice caves - sort of similar to how the bonus wizard quest buff works. Maybe you'd randomly unlock the Dungarde buff, then get access to his quests (with a max amount per day, maybe 5 or 10) for a short period of time?
- Adding tiers to the achievement for beating the Ice King once would be great, while we're talking about ice things :)

So no MM then? Oh well

I'm more interested in actually being able to do Mysterious Melody more so than the items. However, looks like that's not happening which is one huge disappointment.

Oh there are some beautiful ideas already in here. I never got anything out of the Fields, so I would love to see some random events rewarding a little minion or some food, or any of the events people proposed. Also throwing in old skins that might look icy as well. We could have something similar to the Frankenpie for an achievement where we could assemble pieces of random Nostalgic Toys at Vanya's! [Nostalgic Tinkerer] - Recycle a frozen toy from the past! Making those items only usable if you gift those items to other users would be very Melody-esque as well, haha. I'd even love to see some shop similar to the Crypts with Frozen Components (?) as a currency where old Melody items could be redistributed and made available for actively going through the Fields, haha. I know, quite ambitious, but maybe some of it could be copy-pasted! ^^

@Valiska
The Polar Ice Fields in Arctic Frost are where you get the Polar Water needed to craft a Glacier Potion. :) You can only go once every 3 hours or so and it's hard to win like the Crypts and most times it's unsuccessful but you can win random items in the process of going through them.

-User- has an icebox where their heart used to be

The cold never bothered -User- anyway

-User- is cold as ice

First off just wanted to say thank you for letting us know that it will not go out today. I was stalking lol. Also I was really upset with the news of not getting MM but the fact that we are getting new achievements makes up for it :) ♥️

When reaching the end more than 10 or 20 times the title can be: Lord of the Snows

You could fall into a hole and find old Melody items...

I wonder how that hole got there....and there could be an achievement like, "Ooof. Fall into a hole."

Forum title idea:

(USER) is freezing their mitts off

USER loves the white powder
...
Powdered sugar.

Oh, I love this idea! Shame it’s not retroactive but I can’t really complain. XD
So glad the ice fields are getting some love. c:

OMG- I’m loving the ideas everyone’s coming up with for forum titles/ achievements! I’m especially loving the puns! 😂.

Regarding finding old Melody items, you could simplify Demmy’s idea by having a random event pop up saying something like, “You’ve stumbled into a hidden cave and found ” for example

______ is a polar pioneer. - Multiple ice field completions?
That's an ice find, ______ - Possibly for tiers of finding items in the field.
______ got lost in the frost. - Not sure if it's possible, but this could be for making it x amount of steps in but then not completing the field. (Ex: Three correct steps and then an incorrect grants the title but two correct steps and an incorrect wouldn't.)

Apologies for the length. I felt inspired by the creativity blossoming here! xD

Ice-plorer
Winter soldier (unless it's copy righted!)

Achievement for finding the Bucket of Polar Water.
Achievement for using the bucket of polar water to create a Glacier Potion.
Achievement for feeding your pet all the frozen edible foods found from the frozen fields- Bucket of polar water, frozen cookie, preserved sardine, seriously iced tea, snow soup, tundra berries, white acorn
Achievement for all the wearables being in the wardrobe- frozen petal, melting snowball, ombre ice crystel braid, snow petal, white acorn.
Achievement for completing X total trips in the fields.
Achievement for making it to the end of the path successfully x10.
Achievement for adding the minion Warm Puff Sheep to a pet or minion zoo. -- there really should be minion achievements!!! **

Could also add an alternative route that could lead to some snow creature to bless the user's pet into a glacier pet for free.

Could and an alternative route that could lead to a stream that could offer to completely 10/10 fill up all of your pets. Or give the user the option to pay wizard tokens to do that.

Add additional events like coming across an ice-themed minions then, the Lizard Minion Trap "activating" and trapping these minions. These minions would be exclusively found in the icy fields.

Add additional events related to the Mama bear and her cubs wondering in the icy fields. And asking if the user if they want to stay and play with the cubs, wait 10 mins then come back, or move ahead right away.

Like the monocle and minion capnip in morostide are to help your trick or treating game, make a few items like a "Mace" from Millionaire Center or some sort of item engulfed in flames like a sword that can boost someone's ability to reach it to the end of the path successfully more often.

More winter-related battle quests & achievements. The Mama bear is too damn hard. Would like lower tiered challengers.

For quests- A character could offer retired lumi gifts and free gifts in exchange for doing quests.

Ice themed forum titles would be awesome!

ice fields? I dared hoping for something nice

Thank you for the update! The communication is appreciated! I don't have any suggestions that haven't already been mentioned, but I just want to say I'm really excited about this project in general!! I do the ice fields all the time and it'll be exciting to have something new to look for!

just gonna slide these here again 👀
USER is cold
Ice Ice USER
USER is never lost

+ Kiarda's The cold doesnt bother USER anyway

and if we could get an achievement for a pet eating all of the ice fields foods (bucket of polar water, white acorn, snow soup, the cookie if we get that as an item, etc), that would be nice 👀

...I don't even know what the ice fields are and I've been on this site for almost 5 years...

For getting lost, what about a title like
“Ice should’ve seen that coming ___”?

What about finding something like a mammoth tusk event or mammoth fur in the ice field.
Maybe something like ___ is a paleo-ice-tologist maybe a small mammoth minion someday?

😬 Not the ice fields...

Noo! I’ve only ever made it to the end, once in my 16 years of playing Subeta lol

an achievement/forum title for getting lost in the ice fields and having to make the long trudge back: "i survived the long trudge back." award it after someone makes the trudge back 10 or 20 times. :)

Oooooh, that is very interesting @Demmy!

Ooo maybe you can discover a pile of old melody presents stashed in a cave. Finding the cave lets you get one old melody item.

I would like too see a new minion like a white samojede (Polar dog), maybe as a wardrobe buddy too, while finding a lost polar expedition group of scientists in a tent, which got lost in the snowstorm.

Something about "You should have let the kid have his cookie" or "you give a cub a cookie" (like the mouse book). Since you get mauled for not letting him have it.

@Amber
Well.. it is the ice fields.. could be something out there.

@Demmy Forgotten pair of mittens makes me think someone died in the fields and you'll stumble across a body next. :x

Could there be a random event where you just happen upon like signs of kids/pets playing in the snow and you get like a random snowball or a forgotten pair of mittens? Some random winter/snow themed item.

@Amber

Glad you think so! I think there could be a lot of fun tied to the ice fields! They have been a little bit empty for a while, and it makes trying for the glacier potion a little bit more fun.

Adding On:

Polar-Iced, as an achievement. Maybe have a couple of compasses be prizes handed out via achievements?? (idk I'm making more puns on polar stuff and that led me to magnets)
More Frozen Foods, Other Than The Cookie. Make the Frozen Cookie an edible item for pets, like if you "get lost" but found the cookie, you can keep it. It doesn't count as part of the exploration to get the bucket of frozen ice water but it can become something to feed your pet?

I feel like vanilla ice puns and Mr. Freeze references are necessary

That's something I'd love to add in the future, @pointycatears! Right now the artists are hard at work getting Survival ready so I'm trying to do things that don't require anything new on their part. :)

Oh, what about "(user) is a snowflake" for a title?

I had a dream about snowflakes recently so they've been on my mind.

Is totally ice-olated.

How about an ice or snowflake themed border? If it's not too much work for the artists.

I would love to see something blizzard related . Maybe after getting lost so many times in the ice field an achievement that give a blizzard type effect/wearable . or a forum type like Lost in blizzards or finds the blizzards. maybe have it 77 times or 1977 times something to that effect of the great blizzard?

@Mythology Oh, that's fun!

I like that they won't be retroactive as it gives older players something to work for.

I'd love to see the frozen cookie become an item.

I think a title like, 'Ice To Meet You' for encountering the Slush, but without the cookie. Or just in general as a forum title (It's Ice To Meet You, ___)

Other Titles;
No Ice, ___ or We Sent ____ To get more Ice
“Friends or froze?” (Seen this pun around and we know Subeta loves puns)

"Icebreaker" for getting the Frozen Cookie but then immediately getting lost. That's all I have right now.

OH OH OH "Frostbitten Forager" for finding a food/edible item in the ice fields?