Paypal + CS Bonus + Gift of Fashion Past + Other Updates
PayPal returns!
We've finally worked out the return of PayPal as an option for purchasing Cash Shop Credits. I'm really glad to be able to bring this back after seeing how many of you don't have access to another payment method. Thank you for keeping the pressure up on us to invest in this!๐ค This means there will be improvements to the monthly subscription system coming soon, including being able to pay with Stripe or PayPal.
You should get your CSC immediately, if anything goes wrong file a ticket and we'll help you as quickly as possible, as always.
CSC Bonus

The bonus amounts are laid out on the credits purchasing page, with a 20% bonus on top of the usual amount.
Vending Machine Update
Thank you ๐ to all of you who helped test the vending machine mechanics. I appreciate the help, and remember to join the #siteupdate forum group, you never know when something will come up soon ๐.We're introducing the revamped Gift of Fashions Past vending machine ๐. For some of you, this will be your first experience until we revamp the rest of them, so let me introduce you to some of the new concepts.
Finite Items / Pool

Each vending machine has a finite pool of items to grab from, and we won't say how much ๐คซ. The indicator will give you an idea of how many more there are, but not exactly how much.
This gives us control over the number of an item that go out, and the confidence to tell you exactly how many of an item went out this way. You'll see more exclusive items in other (non-CSC) vending machines in the future take advantage of this feature by stocking low amounts, but exciting items.
โ We're moving around where items come from on our side, and going forward all wearables we're trying to bring back in circulation will come from here, and non-wearables from the hustler.
Item Pool Rarities

We've always had the concept of high / low chance in vending machines. We could make it so that some tagged items appeared at a 1,20 less chance, but we could never really tell you what that meant, because we couldn't tell you how many items there were, exactly, in the pool.
Now, with exact limits on items (what happens if they run out! we'll see??) we can make items more infrequent. This is as a "chance machine" here, but we can use this mechanic in a lot of exciting ways in the future.
Daily Limit

This now has a 5 per day limit, sorry ๐. It's meant to be a fun use of a small-ish amount of CSC, not something you spin to stock up your shop with by spending as much as you can.
To make up for it, we've added some exciting new items and are even looking for what you might like to see in the future.
Project Kumos updates
I'm making progress on lots of exciting updates on the site, including the ones above! They bring together a lot of different moving pieces, that make it easier and easier to port over features from the site. Right now we're just checking and double checking things like the other vending machines and shops. Here are some highlights!Item Details

As more and more of those moving pieces get bought on line, this page updates quickly with more and more information.
Try using the search feature there, it's unpolished but great!
User Icons
We've been toying around with moving away from the little person icons. We've already got a human representation in the avatars, and we've really tried shrinking them down in every single way. Take those circular avatars and make them 16x16. Sure, that'll be legible.
We can change these to any colors we'd like, alter the border, and even swap out the icon for something else, like if you earned ultra special icons from features or plots in the future.
Rough: News Comments + Sticker Reactions
Check out this post itself in the news, and you'll see the comments. Some sCode (like the spoiler tag, coming soon!) don't work, but for the most part it does.
One thing I'm playing around with is using your sticker collection as reactions around the site. Check out your collection and choose up to 5 favorites.
On news comments, clicking the "React" button will show you those favorites and you can use them to react. This will be used, if at all, in the forums and other areas of the site where you'll react to things, so choose those favorites wisely!

Phew
I'm sure I missed something, and that was a lot. We're going to post more frequent in-progress updates, more frequent ask for tests in the forum group, and hopefully get more ultra rare very hard to find items within your grasp ๐Posted by Keith
Load this on ๐ Kumos site

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Where is the "React" button located?On news comments, clicking the "React" button will show you those favorites and you can use them to react.

chance based system is still not good I realized.
It's actually not worth it to use the gift of fashions past vending machine....I have lost way more money than I gained so far...
I think I'll stop using it. I'll still support subeta through paypal as I promised, but no longer using the vending machine until something gets done that it will actually be somewhat worth it to use it.
this system actually reminds me a lot of the gacha system from genshin impact. it is the very reason why I don't play the game..
It's actually not worth it to use the gift of fashions past vending machine....I have lost way more money than I gained so far...
I think I'll stop using it. I'll still support subeta through paypal as I promised, but no longer using the vending machine until something gets done that it will actually be somewhat worth it to use it.
this system actually reminds me a lot of the gacha system from genshin impact. it is the very reason why I don't play the game..
The "Get CSC!" and "(Get More)" links in the upper left corner of the Cash Shop do not link to kumos.subeta.net. Those links still throw an error that Paypal is not available.

I'm not really a fan of chance based systems and the inherent gambling like nature behind them and wish less stuff was in them, not more. Much prefer the hustler.

Are there separate moderation queues for subeta news comments and kumos.subeta news comments? Or is it just that the cache timeout is set way longer on kumos? because there are way way fewer comments showing up over there (people want to try out the sticker reacts ๐งก )

Ahhh, like the others I'm a little sad about the wearables moving away from the hustler ;o; I loved seeing cute items popping up there. Chance based systems just don't do it for me as I'm always too sad about losing money lol :(( Glad to hear it's being discussed, though.
Very happy about the return of paypal though! Thank you for all the effort it took to get that back up <3
Very happy about the return of paypal though! Thank you for all the effort it took to get that back up <3

@DreamsInPink Yeah, my math includes the normal built-in bonuses for each tier. So if you're going by $1 = 100 csc, then your interpretation is correct.

@brokensafety
Thank you for your reply. It's most appreciated. And, I was going off the image in the news. It shows the purchase price of $100 but it shows getting $150. I didn't do the math, I hate math lol.
Thank you for your reply. It's most appreciated. And, I was going off the image in the news. It shows the purchase price of $100 but it shows getting $150. I didn't do the math, I hate math lol.
@DreamsInPink I don't think that's quite right. It's closer to getting $125 worth of CSC if you spend $100 due to the 2,500 bonus.

Am I seeing this right, if I buy $100 of csc, I actually get $150? Someone please confirm or deny this for me. Thank you!!

I'd never noticed the theme option on Kumos, was put off by the blackness on my huge monitor. Thanks to Ryuu's comment I scrolled down and found the theme button, awed by the multitude of options. However, nothing changes, when I click on any of the available theme colours?



also-- suggestion: maybe up the percentage bonus on larger amounts of CSC (eg 30% bonus for $75 or 40% for $100)? now is around the time i start saving for black friday/holiday season and i save all my CSC for the cash shop sale. it would be cool to snag some extra csc to sit on without buying it in the thick of the holiday season. as a slightly responsible adult, i would be more convinced to buy fake internet money than i already do. :P

has nobody mentioned the sentence about PLOTS RETURNING??????? I'm so excited! i really love how active the site will be.


Amazing update! It's so exciting to see the progress made on the new mechanics. Thanks for your hard work, appreciated as always <3

Whoops sorry I hit post before I was done - forgot to add THANK YOU SO MUCH for all your hard work Subeta staff!! It's super appreciated!! <3
I don't do gambling/chance stuff or stickers so can't really comment on those, but SO happy to see Paypal back as an option! The pawprint icons are cute but tbh I prefer the classic user icons, the pawprints feel more like pet name icons to me rather than something that would go before a username? I think it'd be really cute if they showed up before pet links though!!

How to Favorite / Unfavorite stickers
Currently, stickers you have set as Favorite are highlighted in your collection. Here's an example image of a sticker that is not favorited (Stunning Sapphire Sticker) & one that is favorited (Space Rift Sticker).To favorite a sticker, you click on the + Favorite under it.
To unfavorite a sticker, you click on the - favorite under it.

Just in case, please note that I'm using the "dark" theme on Kumos; if you are using a different theme, the colors may not be the same as this image. Themes are located in the lower left corner of the Kumos build. If you may need to change to something more suitable, click the Theme button & you can select a different option.
@RNA

suggestion: ability/clarification on how to un-fave stickers.
suggestion: ability to turn stickering on your profile/comments from other users, off.
sidenote: STICKERS STICKERS STICKERS STICKERS STICKEEEEEEEEEERS. HYPE.
suggestion: ability to turn stickering on your profile/comments from other users, off.
sidenote: STICKERS STICKERS STICKERS STICKERS STICKEEEEEEEEEERS. HYPE.
Looking forward to using stickers as reaction emojis.
I can't figure out how to un-favorite stickers in the new system. How do I?
I can't figure out how to un-favorite stickers in the new system. How do I?

I just bought 37 stickers. I have never in my life. This is such a fun feature! I'm glad we can change which ones are in our favorites.

Wow, that IS a lot! Thank you for the update, Keith!
I'm still hoping we'll eventually get a way to toggle off the sticker option... I don't want people being able to sticker me since I just simply Do Not Like that feature. OTL (I don't even want to know how much sP I've spent getting unwanted stickers removed RIP)
I'm still hoping we'll eventually get a way to toggle off the sticker option... I don't want people being able to sticker me since I just simply Do Not Like that feature. OTL (I don't even want to know how much sP I've spent getting unwanted stickers removed RIP)

@beingagrind It's going to take insane control for me not to use
on basically every news comment



Keith
STAFF
Want to be clear that we are not encouraging you to gamble (there is a limit of 5 per day!) but I understand wanting a list of items and the chance of that item coming from the vending machine, and will be making that happen!
Also understood on the feedback of the feeling of sureness you get from the hustler and knowing you're going to get exactly what you want, when it comes up eventually. I'll talk with Amber about changing how we distribute these wearables. We'll make sure that they're distributed, at the least, in multiple places. Thank you for the feedback!
Also understood on the feedback of the feeling of sureness you get from the hustler and knowing you're going to get exactly what you want, when it comes up eventually. I'll talk with Amber about changing how we distribute these wearables. We'll make sure that they're distributed, at the least, in multiple places. Thank you for the feedback!


That is a LOT of updates phew! Also anyone else excited about stickers being used in a practical way? I've always thought it a shame many websites don't better utilize user collections. This is exciting to me!
Because there’s real money involved, is GOFP not gambling? And therefore restricted. I mean, not legally obviously, because technically you don’t have to use REAL money to get CSC—but I mean morally? This just seems… off.

honestly i'm disappointed to hear that wearables will not be included in the Hustler shop anymore, since i'm not at all interested in vending.
i like the linear exchange of <this amount of csc> for <this specific item>, and you could snag some good deals on some exciting things once in a while there, like a cute collection wearable that i hadn't previously thought of buying. and seeing how people are mostly getting old cash shop/SubQ items not even worth 1/4th of the cost of vending (50CSC is currently worth around 4mil sP).. this just doesn't seem right.
i'm excited to see Keith workingo n Kumos and the other changes like sticker reacts (very cute idea), but.. man : (
i like the linear exchange of <this amount of csc> for <this specific item>, and you could snag some good deals on some exciting things once in a while there, like a cute collection wearable that i hadn't previously thought of buying. and seeing how people are mostly getting old cash shop/SubQ items not even worth 1/4th of the cost of vending (50CSC is currently worth around 4mil sP).. this just doesn't seem right.
i'm excited to see Keith workingo n Kumos and the other changes like sticker reacts (very cute idea), but.. man : (

Loving the updates and seeing the progress on Project Kumos!! It is super super exciting to see & I LOVE the added way to use stickers as well as the user icons. Thank you so much for all your hard work Keith! <3

Loving the updates and seeing the progress on Project Kumos!! It is super super exciting to see & I LOVE the added way to use stickers as well as the user icons. Thank you so much for all your hard work Keith! <3

Should have gone with my gut and not wasted my funds.
Vended all subq items. No cs items. No game prizes.
And I already own all subq items. And none are worth any sP really.
Random, especially for real money, is just wrong. Fomo and hope gets me to try most times. And I should really know better.
I preferred the wearables in the hustler. A good price or a bit of overpaying, at least I knew what I was getting.
I also hope that this doesn't mean that old cs items will just go there and not be returned to the shop for the black friday sales.
I'm super disappointed.
Vended all subq items. No cs items. No game prizes.
And I already own all subq items. And none are worth any sP really.
Random, especially for real money, is just wrong. Fomo and hope gets me to try most times. And I should really know better.
I preferred the wearables in the hustler. A good price or a bit of overpaying, at least I knew what I was getting.
I also hope that this doesn't mean that old cs items will just go there and not be returned to the shop for the black friday sales.
I'm super disappointed.

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I HAVE to agree with Vic on this. I used gofp because I've used it a million times in the past and I know what is in it, but I didn't realize until I read this comment that we have gone towards a rarity drop system. I've done professional work in mobile games including slots and lootboxes, and if this is the direction you're actively going in you need to make how the machine works (the % chance of each type of rarity dropping per press of the button) very clear and easily found from that page. This type of feature becomes predatory extremely easily. It makes people much more money when it is predatory, so it's constantly tempting to go in that direction. Please don't!Please reconsider and publish with total transparency the chances of winning a gold star item, and the likelihood of winning one of the vast number of low-value items. Otherwise, I personally will not be using this feature.


Started going through my stickers but I don't think I have time to search through hundreds and the "theme" option at the bottom apparently doesn't do anything to help with the search. Nice idea but wondering how many people will actually go through a ton of stickers to use them. Guess we'll see. Should be interesting.
Yeah I wouldn't mind a list of odds either, and it wouldn't surprise me if that's actually mandated legally in some jurisdictions too. But it's cool seeing progress being made! I get why the vends are being worked on right now as they're relatively simple mechanically behind the scenes.

wow, a lot of stuff going on... :0
i've never been interested in the gambling aspect of the CSC vending machines (or loot box like things in any game). and i stand by that, personally. so i am a bit sad that it's such a focus now, but alas. it is better (?) that there's a limit per day to hopefully make it less of a money sink to people susceptible to spending tons of money on it. i don't really want to harp on subeta specifically for just trying to sustain itself - i know this is how many games do things now. anyway...
i like the feature where we can see outfits people have made with an item when you view it. and the user icons seem like a fun little way to add more personalization. also it's nice to see more use for stickers. i'm confused if we react with a sticker is it removed from our collection? probably no? i have so many random stickers people stuck me with. ~_~
i've never been interested in the gambling aspect of the CSC vending machines (or loot box like things in any game). and i stand by that, personally. so i am a bit sad that it's such a focus now, but alas. it is better (?) that there's a limit per day to hopefully make it less of a money sink to people susceptible to spending tons of money on it. i don't really want to harp on subeta specifically for just trying to sustain itself - i know this is how many games do things now. anyway...
i like the feature where we can see outfits people have made with an item when you view it. and the user icons seem like a fun little way to add more personalization. also it's nice to see more use for stickers. i'm confused if we react with a sticker is it removed from our collection? probably no? i have so many random stickers people stuck me with. ~_~

Sticker icons: Great idea, great work.
Paypal: Very welcome news.
CSC Vending: The limit is good. Gambling and loot boxes are a serious issue in the wider gaming world.
Suggestions:
There needs to be a strong indication on the page that you are spending CSC, and the amount. I saw a small one but didn't notice it the first time. Ideally, there'd be a confirmation screen the first time you spin.
Please reconsider and publish with total transparency the chances of winning a gold star item, and the likelihood of winning one of the vast number of low-value items. Otherwise, I personally will not be using this feature.
Thanks for all the work you do.
Paypal: Very welcome news.
CSC Vending: The limit is good. Gambling and loot boxes are a serious issue in the wider gaming world.
Suggestions:
There needs to be a strong indication on the page that you are spending CSC, and the amount. I saw a small one but didn't notice it the first time. Ideally, there'd be a confirmation screen the first time you spin.
Please reconsider and publish with total transparency the chances of winning a gold star item, and the likelihood of winning one of the vast number of low-value items. Otherwise, I personally will not be using this feature.
Thanks for all the work you do.

nice updates, im kinda glad about the hustler being able to focus more on the non-wearable items as a collector!


Thank you so much for all the updates. Fantastic to see! I was wondering though if we could get an update on the HA outfit contest too please?
Has it been side tracked or something else?
Thanks again Keith, Amber and the rest of the staff!
Has it been side tracked or something else?
Thanks again Keith, Amber and the rest of the staff!

Amber
STAFF
We don't have a lot of plot prizes in there, just a very small amount (also very small amount stocked for them). I have no plans on upping them, it was more of a part of the bonus CSC thing to me. For the most part last night, I added a lot of old Cash Shop wearables. A lot of edible items! I wanted to make sure things didn't cross over between CS Hustler and the vending machine, so Hustler, is doing cash shop related items that are not wearable.

So I followed the kumos comments link - neither could I like anybody's comment there, nor do I see likes. Does that new sticker thing mean, we can no longer simply like (meaning: "I agree") what people comment?

Thanks for the update! As an international player I'm glad paypal is back! Also, all the new stuff is exciting!

Changing it so that the Hustler only gives out non-wearable CS items should help to get more of those into circulation. Or at least that's how I see it. People don't buy non-wearables from the Cash Shop very often which is why they don't show up in user shops as much.


Why is the
in there when A) the plot shop is still accessible and B) the Antique Shop exists?
Throwing random old plot wearables into a grab bag for retired cash shop and Subeautique items feels really bad.

Throwing random old plot wearables into a grab bag for retired cash shop and Subeautique items feels really bad.

Thank you guys for every piece of this - bringing back paypal so users have access to supporting the site again, constantly working at bringing Subeta forward to ensure it not only lives on but has increased opportunity to thrive again, and the communication that has come along throughout. Ugh, just feeling so much appreciation right now! <3 <3 <3

Not sure if anyone already said this during playtest, but may I suggest putting the Costs right under the Vending Machine title? I think it's a little hard to check under the items. Or maybe right next to the "Vend" button, I was so eager to try it out that I forgot the price for each attempt lol


Thank you sooo much.
This is amazing, the paypal adding was a very needed one. Can't wait to see what else is in store!
This is amazing, the paypal adding was a very needed one. Can't wait to see what else is in store!

I just went to purchase more CSC on mobile, and the Kumos page is not really mobile friendly for that. I pay with Stripe, and I couldn't scroll over for that option, the box was squished with only PayPal showing. I had to switch to desktop site mode on my phone to be able to complete the Stripe transaction.

The machine was fun, couldn't resist gambling. I got a wishlist item, so I'm happy. Thanks for the updates and all the hard work improving the site!

Whoa. Thats a lot to take in and a smidge confusing. But thank you! Now i gotta get more csc

I'm a little confused about the vending machine?
Is it 'ALL WEARABLES' as in, any wearable on the site that needs to be recirculated, or just the cash shop ones?
I swear I'm seeing plot specific wearables in there?
And I guess this also poses the question is this going to literally be used for ALL wearables that need to be re-released, or will some go out in other ways too? Because I'm NGL it feels like a huge downer to me to see plot items in there, rather than them being released in a more creative / more accessible way for people. I totally get the site needs more revenue but... throwing a ton of stuff in a gambling machine feelsbadman.jpeg
Is it 'ALL WEARABLES' as in, any wearable on the site that needs to be recirculated, or just the cash shop ones?
I swear I'm seeing plot specific wearables in there?
And I guess this also poses the question is this going to literally be used for ALL wearables that need to be re-released, or will some go out in other ways too? Because I'm NGL it feels like a huge downer to me to see plot items in there, rather than them being released in a more creative / more accessible way for people. I totally get the site needs more revenue but... throwing a ton of stuff in a gambling machine feelsbadman.jpeg

I would be more likely to vend in the new updated vending machine if there was a bigger list of items (with hover previews) that are in there. Right now I have no clue exactly what is in there.

I'm not personally interested in gamble/chance things so I can't participate in that. However, I am excited for the Project Kumos updates, especially the sticker reactions which sounds like a lot fun. If these ideas pan out i'm looking forward to the new Subeta. :)
@Archmage if you go to your sticker album, near the top are more options for your album including the option to remove stickers.
@Archmage if you go to your sticker album, near the top are more options for your album including the option to remove stickers.

I clicked on the "Daily Support Goal" bar and it still says "Unfortunately, we're unable to process Paypal payments at the moment. We hope to have an update soon :cry:"
Is this bar even working anymore?
Is this bar even working anymore?

also here is what I got today: 
pretty cool that there is a limit now to how much you can get each day.

pretty cool that there is a limit now to how much you can get each day.


Finally a reason for me to care about the stickers lol
With that, it would be nice to be able to use more than 5, and also, to remove stickers from the collection even if they just disappear from doing that (Unless it is already possible? I have some ugly ones I'd like to get rid of ._. )
With that, it would be nice to be able to use more than 5, and also, to remove stickers from the collection even if they just disappear from doing that (Unless it is already possible? I have some ugly ones I'd like to get rid of ._. )

clicks an item I know I've made an outfit with on the Gift of Fashions Past page, and the outfits the item is used in show up hehe it me


The ability to click the item and see it being worn + people who have made avatars from it is really neat on Kumos!


I am such a sucker for the vending machines lol. Thanks for more opportunities! I really like that some of these older items will become more available. I'm not really a huge clothing collector (yet... until I finish my other collections) but making older items more obtainable is always good for site economy.


"Thank you for keeping the pressure up on us to invest in this!" rofl, I'll never feel bad about pestering because of anything ever again :-)

Omg I have waited so long for this day! Time to celebrate and put some money into the site again through Paypal! Thank you so much Keith and everyone else involved those are some of the greatest news for me personally :) I'm so happy!



Interesting changes for sure :)
But, I hope that the Outfits showing on the Item Details bit will be optional because I have 0 interest in what other people have made with an item. Otherwise I guess I'll have to figure out how to remove it with CSS XD
But, I hope that the Outfits showing on the Item Details bit will be optional because I have 0 interest in what other people have made with an item. Otherwise I guess I'll have to figure out how to remove it with CSS XD




Almost 18 years on this site, and this news is probably the most optimistic I’ve been on the site yet.
Project Kumos looks great on mobile. Those all look like modern, fun features.
Love the paws icon! I can see Project Kumos is trying to bring back the pets to be more at the forefront of the site, Nd I love that!
Project Kumos looks great on mobile. Those all look like modern, fun features.
Love the paws icon! I can see Project Kumos is trying to bring back the pets to be more at the forefront of the site, Nd I love that!

Very sad it's just 5 per day, because I can go on a fantastic tear on this thing and spend way more CSC than is wise, even knowing these items are pretty much never worth the entry price. It's my favorite little gambling box.
Hm!





Hm!

Let's go gambling! 250 CSC (~22,000,000sP) to...?
*buzz* aw dang it, etc. etc. etc.

(1 star) 1,000,000sP -
Oh! Naturale Ailuridae Button Socks
(2 star) 1,200,000sP -
Vanity Posy Headpiece
(1 star) 1,000,000sP -
Marez Itzatul Jeweled Comb
(1 star) 0,800,000sP -
Lililace Gilded Masque Partially Transparent Skirt
(2 star) none for sale -
Automaton Performance Handbill
Good luck to everyone else~ โฅ๏ธ
*buzz* aw dang it, etc. etc. etc.

(1 star) 1,000,000sP -

(2 star) 1,200,000sP -

(1 star) 1,000,000sP -

(1 star) 0,800,000sP -

(2 star) none for sale -

Good luck to everyone else~ โฅ๏ธ



I will leave a comment to see if we can add stickers to our own comments.
Keith, we can have literally hundreds of stickers, I think we need more than 6 options at once, please! :D If we remove a sticker from our favorites will our reaction sticker also disappear?
Keith, we can have literally hundreds of stickers, I think we need more than 6 options at once, please! :D If we remove a sticker from our favorites will our reaction sticker also disappear?




I appreciate all of the hard work you guys have been doing!!! I love the idea to bring more functionality to the sticker album : )

Using stickers from our collection as reactions to comments is a feature I never knew I wanted and am surprisingly excited by. I love these pending changes to the vending machines. I never really vended after getting the achievements but it sounds like the changes you’re making will give me a reason to find it worth my time. Thank you for the exciting news on the continued updates!


Oh noooooo I must gamble. Here's what I got for anyone curious:

Nothing on my wishlist this time but still fun to try!





Nothing on my wishlist this time but still fun to try!


Thank you so much for the update!! We appreciate everything you do ;w; ๐ this is all so exciting!
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