Custom Items: Improvements and Changes
There are some big changes coming to custom wearables, and if you already have an item approved on-site, these changed may affect you directly! Please read the following information carefully!
We would like to thank you all for the incredible response to our new Custom Items feature. As a staff, we spent a lot of time on the back end of this project trying to decide how it could best suit our site and our users. We wanted to empower our users to contribute their creative energy and ideas to wearables, while still maintaining our high artistic standards that so many people love and appreciate about Subeta.
Therefore, we knew that the first few weeks of Custom Items would be a learning process for everyone. We love the way the Custom Wearables Forum has taken off and the help and advice users are offering each other for getting their items approved and improving their submissions. We love the idea of “shops” for your items and can’t wait to see that continue to develop as time goes on. And, we LOVE the quality and creativity of the vast majority of items that we approve for use on-site.
That being said, this process hasn’t been without its bumps in the road! Over the past few weeks, our staff has been working extremely hard on the back end of this project. We knew almost immediately that we needed to improve our standards for quality and guidelines for submission to make things easier on both the users submitting art, and the support staff who are approving or denying it. We want to make our standards as clear as possible for everyone involved, so that if we deny your item, you know exactly why, and exactly what you need to do to improve it and submit it again, should you choose to do so.
The largest point of discussion on this custom items project has been, by far, the accepting of artwork (items or wearable overlays) that depicts copyrighted material. Upon first launch, we honestly did not know how we wanted to handle “fandom” items or copyrighted artwork. We briefly considered allowing all submissions that met our standards of quality - original material or not - and then dealing with the consequences from copyright owners should they ask us to remove that material from our site. However, we learned pretty quickly that this was completely unfair to the users who paid for these items - how disappointing would it be if you logged in one day, and your fantastic custom item that you paid Cash Shop Credits for had just disappeared, or had been completely redrawn without your knowledge? Yes, it’s fun to accurately depict your favorite characters, movies, books, etc., but as our artists can tell you, it’s no fun seeing your hard work copied, traced, or used without your permission.
So, we decided that accepting copyrighted material is a road that we are going to choose not to go down. And yes, we realize we have not been perfect about this ourselves in the past, but we are going to take the time NOW to make the changes to set ourselves back on the right road for the future - the right road being that of original artwork, high standards for quality, and finding unique ways to pay tribute to our favorite “real life” items as opposed to simply copying them.
Blah, blah, blah, Carol - what does this mean for me? For most of you, it means taking some time to carefully read through the Rules and Guidelines for Custom Wearables. This page has been updated, and will always stay updated with the latest guidelines for your submissions. As of the writing of this announcement, this page has been gone over with a fine-toothed comb in order to give you most well-defined instructions we can offer. As always, you can feel free to ask for rule clarifications or help in the appropriate forum.
For very few of you, this means that the item that you submitted, while it may have been approved in the past, does not meet our newly set standards for quality or originality. We had some very long discussions about how to handle this. We didn’t want to simply delete the items from the site (that would create a giant mess) or refund the original submitter their CSC (as many of the items have changed hands several times by now), so we have come up with a solution that we hope will be acceptable for those of you who will be affected by this change. So, if your existing item is designated by our staff as an item that needs to be edited in order to reflect our newly set standards for quality or originality, the original submitter of the item will be contacted by a Subeta staff artist who will be redrawing the item for you in order to bring it up to standard. You will have the opportunity to give that artist a special request you may have about the redrawing of the item, and at that point, the item will be redrawn and changed in all instances on the site by January 7th, 2012.
This is a one-time only deal, and we’re only doing it because of these very special circumstances. We realized that not having enough definition to our rules and standards is our fault, we apologize for the inconsistencies, and we want to do what we can to make it right to those of you who may be affected. Going forward, our staff is going to be much better educated about what is acceptable, and what is not, and our goal is to be consistent with our approval process to make it easier on everyone.
Please use this thread to ask any questions you might have. If you have an approved custom item on site right now, please DO NOT create a ticket asking if your item is one of those set to be revamped. If it is, you will be contacted in a timely manner by our staff, and everyone else can assume their item is “up to par”. Again, this is a very limited number of items, which is why we are choosing to take these measures now as opposed to letting things get further out of control.
We really think that this solution, while not perfect, is the best thing to do for everyone involved. We sincerely thank you for sticking with us through all the changes (here and otherwise!), and please know that we are always looking to improve the site for you, because you’re what keeps us here!
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ChibiStraws
I think this is an awesome way to handle this. Even if it turns out one of the items you bought gets changed to a point you don't like it anymore (something I think is highly unlikely, considering the high quality of artwork always presented on Subeta) you can always sell it to someone who WILL want it, because there will no doubt be someone clamoring for a copy :)
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Amy
I agree with those that have mentioned the fact that there was no chance for the users to redraw their own CW items. If it was MY artwork that was to be redone, I'd feel like I had done nothing but paid for a CW; there is no sense in saying you created it anymore. I know that the Subeta team probably thought that it would be easier to see that the changes would be implemented the first time rather than going through the hassle of working with the artists, which would create a slower process. I can see the reason for it, but still I wish that the users who created the CW had an artistic say in their item.
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Slytherin
Well, got a smail about my snitch. :( I thought I had made enough changes to it from the original version (3) but I guess it wasnt sufficient. I dont mind it being changed, but Im sortve sad my art wont be on site for it now. I wish they would have given the orignal artists a chance to redo it, before staff stepped in. Guess I cant do much about it now. I love all of Subetas artists so Im not worried about how the quality of the new version will be, Im just sad I didnt have the chance to do it myself.
Im really anxious to see the final result; I hope not too many of the current snitch owners are disappointed. D:
(PS; I apologize for the lack of punctuation, Im currently using a german keyboard and there is no apostrophe besides the ` and its hard to use.)
Im really anxious to see the final result; I hope not too many of the current snitch owners are disappointed. D:
(PS; I apologize for the lack of punctuation, Im currently using a german keyboard and there is no apostrophe besides the ` and its hard to use.)
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rhino_loupe
Really great way to deal with the situation Subeta, I'm impressed. Refunding, or making the submitters re-draw the art just wouldn't be fair.
@Loving You say it's tl;dr then spend 5 minutes writing a response, where most of what you said was covered in the first post? idgi
@Loving You say it's tl;dr then spend 5 minutes writing a response, where most of what you said was covered in the first post? idgi
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Blir
I don't have any custom items so I know I won't be affected- but overall I really am happy that you guys are cracking down on the copyrighted wearables. There are so many that are just... absolutely identical to designs from other games/shows/characters and it's a little odd imo that people have been profiting so much using someone else's design. True- they drew the art themselves- but it wasn't their idea. While things like the Snitch/Totoro wearable are absolutely adorable and are really badass to have on-site, I have to agree that it just isn't fair to the original creators of those characters. I'm glad these rules are being made stricter.
That being said though, I think it's a little odd that a Subeta artist would be assigned to redraw an item. If the original artist drew it once, why not just tell them what could be changed (give them a variety of suggestions such as change the color, alter the pose, etc) and let them redraw it themselves. If it's not up to standard after a redraw, then have them do it again. The Subeta artist's art is amazing, but I thought the whole fun part of CIs was always to have your OWN hand-drawn art on the site.
That being said though, I think it's a little odd that a Subeta artist would be assigned to redraw an item. If the original artist drew it once, why not just tell them what could be changed (give them a variety of suggestions such as change the color, alter the pose, etc) and let them redraw it themselves. If it's not up to standard after a redraw, then have them do it again. The Subeta artist's art is amazing, but I thought the whole fun part of CIs was always to have your OWN hand-drawn art on the site.
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ColorBlind
I agree with what Xin said. If you're an artist trying to make profit off of something that isn't your creation, then you have to change it so much to where it doesn't look like the original while still trying to keep the spirit of it. I honestly thought this principle was common sense with the multitude of artists here, so it really surprised me when I saw fandom items all over the place. Face it; you didn't make the thing, nor did you change it enough so that it doesn't look like a copy. So honestly, you shouldn't make top dollar profit from it (unless it's something general like wigs and whatnot). Unless the artists did drastic edits to it like the companion cube, then it does border on copyrighted territory which is what Subeta is trying to avoid. The whole SOPA thing is also a reason why they might be so cautious.
It shouldn't be hard to take something like the Snitch and edit it so that it doesn't look like a Harry Potter Snitch. The person could've changed the ball's color, added more wings, turn the ball into a gold cube, made it a copper snitch, etc. It's not that hard to make an item your own.
Xin said. If you're an artist trying to make profit off of something that isn't your creation, then you have to change it so much to where it doesn't look like the original while still trying to keep the spirit of it. I honestly thought this principle was common sense with the multitude of artists here, so it really surprised me when I saw fandom items all over the place. Face it; you didn't make the thing, nor did you change it enough so that it doesn't look like a copy. So honestly, you shouldn't make top dollar profit from it (unless it's something general like wigs and whatnot). Unless the artists did drastic edits to it like the companion cube, then it does border on copyrighted territory which is what Subeta is trying to avoid. The whole SOPA thing is also a reason why they might be so cautious.It shouldn't be hard to take something like the Snitch and edit it so that it doesn't look like a Harry Potter Snitch. The person could've changed the ball's color, added more wings, turn the ball into a gold cube, made it a copper snitch, etc. It's not that hard to make an item your own.
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Burton
I don't understand why people are getting so upset.
If that ridiculous censorship bill is passed, and copyrighted items are on the site, we can be shut down, no questions asked.
So this is a great way to go about this. Just be glad they aren't just REMOVING THE ITEM and not refunding your CSC.
Relax.
If that ridiculous censorship bill is passed, and copyrighted items are on the site, we can be shut down, no questions asked.
So this is a great way to go about this. Just be glad they aren't just REMOVING THE ITEM and not refunding your CSC.
Relax.
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Porsef
This is really retarded. Okay, yes, some fandom custom items are too close to the real thing and that's okay. But now you're putting work and stress on your artists to remake all those custom items that you're going to have them remake for NO REASON. No reason, because the original artists should have the choice whether they want them to do it or not.
The snitch, I can see getting changed but... look at it this way. It's a gold ball with wings, how fucking original. It's not copyrighting anything, anyone could have come up with that idea. It doesn't have the etchings the real one has on it, so it's totally irrelevant to Harry Potter.
The hair items, like the MLP hair, is totally not copyright. You can't copyright hair. It's hair 'inspired' by the show. They can't do anything about it. As long as you have lawyers that aren't retarded and that actually know the law, you're good. Some items, though, of course need to be changed. But not like the companion cube drastically. It's really retarded.
The snitch, I can see getting changed but... look at it this way. It's a gold ball with wings, how fucking original. It's not copyrighting anything, anyone could have come up with that idea. It doesn't have the etchings the real one has on it, so it's totally irrelevant to Harry Potter.
The hair items, like the MLP hair, is totally not copyright. You can't copyright hair. It's hair 'inspired' by the show. They can't do anything about it. As long as you have lawyers that aren't retarded and that actually know the law, you're good. Some items, though, of course need to be changed. But not like the companion cube drastically. It's really retarded.
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ROCK
I am super stoked that this is being done. Seriously. 100% agree with the whole business. And I think that it's nice that a staff artist will be redrawing it. A nice offer :)
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Med_Kitty
Wow, I see that the snitch is the major item everyone seems worried about. I am rather glad I didn't buy it. But I completely understand why Subeta is doing this, and the way you are choosing to go about it is amazing. However with that being said, if one of the items I purchased happens to be one of the items to be revamped and I dislike how it looks now will I be able to get the CSC I paid for it back? I have spent a lot of real world money on CSC for custom items and if I were to log in and see a major change to one of these, and it became something I was not pleased with, I would be extremely disappointed. I would not have bought it if I did not like it as is. I love this site and the art on it, however I just want to know my hard earned funds aren't suddenly going to feel wasted.
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FrankieBug
Wow. I'm not affected by this at all (no talent to create my own, no money to buy a commission lol) but I just want to say the way the Subbie team is handling this is phenomenal. Most other sites would simply say "on review, if you're piece is no good, wave buh bye".
Just one more example of Subbie going above and beyond. You guys must be getting set to work your backsides off over this revamping. Good luck!
Just one more example of Subbie going above and beyond. You guys must be getting set to work your backsides off over this revamping. Good luck!
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Taters
I agree with @Xin and @Confection
In my eyes it was the artists risk to do a item that could count as copywright. Of course it sucks, but if you were worried about it when the topic was first brought up, then maybe it was better to do something original?
I think its very wonderful that Subeta Team is doing this, usually other sites just delete the items and refund. It seems like a privilege that they are taking the time to fix their mistakes and allow your items to be redrawn, but I do understand the worry some have with others drawing for them. But Confection had good points about all that.
Luckily I dont have any/dont plan on making them due to not spending real money on game sites. But It probably is upsetting for some. At least they are kind enough to compromise. From how its going, a lot of people saw this as a bad system and thought it would fail. Everything starts somewhere, and they/we are learning what is right and wrong. So if everyone keeps working together, Im sure the CW will be working swimmingly soon. :U
In my eyes it was the artists risk to do a item that could count as copywright. Of course it sucks, but if you were worried about it when the topic was first brought up, then maybe it was better to do something original?
I think its very wonderful that Subeta Team is doing this, usually other sites just delete the items and refund. It seems like a privilege that they are taking the time to fix their mistakes and allow your items to be redrawn, but I do understand the worry some have with others drawing for them. But Confection had good points about all that.
Luckily I dont have any/dont plan on making them due to not spending real money on game sites. But It probably is upsetting for some. At least they are kind enough to compromise. From how its going, a lot of people saw this as a bad system and thought it would fail. Everything starts somewhere, and they/we are learning what is right and wrong. So if everyone keeps working together, Im sure the CW will be working swimmingly soon. :U
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DebiLee
Frankly, as a significant CW purchaser, I'm actually happy to see this. Every time I've seen that Keeper of the Forest Companion (I didn't know until now what it was actually called) in the Forums I've honestly wondered how that was permitted. I do have a Snitch that was meant as a gift for someone, which I'm just going to hold onto for now to see what it turns into. Maybe it will end up being a little flying heart or something, who knows? I'm not upset by the change. My other few fandom type items were already checked by Staff and said to have enough changes from the originals, so they should be okay. The majority of my CW's are wigs, which I really can't see as needing much in the way of changes; as someone said, you can't really copyright a hairstyle.
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toilet
for those complaining about it being released too early, im happy they did..
becauseeeeeeeeeeeee
they got a chance to see what users would do and make rules according to what we did.
if they just made a bunch of rules out of the blue it wouldnt be specific and as detailed as they are.
how did staff know what we would do ... if we never did it?
i felt like this CW thing was in the beta stage anyway.
just my thoughts
becauseeeeeeeeeeeee
they got a chance to see what users would do and make rules according to what we did.
if they just made a bunch of rules out of the blue it wouldnt be specific and as detailed as they are.
how did staff know what we would do ... if we never did it?
i felt like this CW thing was in the beta stage anyway.
just my thoughts
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RustonRampallion
Nevermind, I read the guidelines... it would apply I assume as long as 4 changes and subeta themes are added, yes?
(Also, that website gave me a desire to have a bert the turtle duck and cover-type item...)
(Also, that website gave me a desire to have a bert the turtle duck and cover-type item...)
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RustonRampallion
I don't think it really concerns me, since I don't plan on buying or making custom items anytime soon, but I thought I'd throw this question in.
Does this mean no fandom items of any kind, or no -copyrighted- fandom items? Would you still be allowed to make something referencing something that is in public domain?
Nosferatu, Metropolis, Sherlock Holmes, etc. These basically: http://wikibin.org/articles/list-of-public-domain-characters.html
Does this mean no fandom items of any kind, or no -copyrighted- fandom items? Would you still be allowed to make something referencing something that is in public domain?
Nosferatu, Metropolis, Sherlock Holmes, etc. These basically: http://wikibin.org/articles/list-of-public-domain-characters.html
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Lindsie
I wish there was a better way of submitting items. As someone who buys CWs but doesn't make them, I feel like I wait a LONG time for some CWs to be released. Wait for 10 slots to fill up, wait for everyone to pay, wait for it to be submitted, wait while the artist fixes things that were wrong. At this point some people have dropped out of their slots, you have to wait again for them to fill up before it's resubmitted... ugh. I wish artists could send in their CW idea BEFORE they advertise to make sure it is acceptable FIRST. Anyone else know what I mean? .___. Idk. There's probably problems with that I'm not thinking of. I'm just frustrated with waiting so long.
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Khaiya
The point is, if it's a fandom inspired item, make it inspired by, not identical in every detail. I have seen some impressive takes on fandom inspired items...gorgeous... On my main gallery site, people get pieces yanked all the time for posting art that's all but copied from original pieces, and with far less kindness than they are using here. Hell, they are offering to redo the items themselves to avoid the wailing and gnashing of teeth. That is more than generous when a lawsuit for copyright infringement could shut down the site. They are covering their own butts, and ours too which is WIN. And guess what? You still have an item! So it's not an official HP snitch or whatever, deal, they are doing their best, and the fact they even have custom items is incredible, and so dang cool.
As for Gaia, the reason they have all those named character fandom copyrighted items, is because they sign advertising deals with the companies. It's one of the reasons I stopped playing on Gaia, they have gotten so commercialized that it makes me ill, and they don't have an option to buy a GA to hide the commercials.
So yeah, no point getting butthurt over it when we're lucky they are being this generous.
As for Gaia, the reason they have all those named character fandom copyrighted items, is because they sign advertising deals with the companies. It's one of the reasons I stopped playing on Gaia, they have gotten so commercialized that it makes me ill, and they don't have an option to buy a GA to hide the commercials.
So yeah, no point getting butthurt over it when we're lucky they are being this generous.
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Pluma
NoirRaven - just one thing to consider: gaia IS owned by a major corporation now, has been for a while. gaia is also based in silicon valley in california. it is not unlikely that they have deals with disney and the like, who are just down the road. gaia also has tons of lawyers and backing to cover their butts.
ultimately, i must agree with Rusty's simple statement and Confection's enlightening post. however, i hope this can be resolved as quickly and painlessly as possible, for the artists and the purchasers. thank you, subeta staff, for discussing these issues maturely and thoroughly, and for giving us such an extensive update. especially in these times of all the SOPA garbage, in the end, no one wants to see subeta ruined because of something that could have been done differently and better.
ultimately, i must agree with Rusty's simple statement and Confection's enlightening post. however, i hope this can be resolved as quickly and painlessly as possible, for the artists and the purchasers. thank you, subeta staff, for discussing these issues maturely and thoroughly, and for giving us such an extensive update. especially in these times of all the SOPA garbage, in the end, no one wants to see subeta ruined because of something that could have been done differently and better.
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Confection
@McKay @Hoar : Thank you very much C: I'm glad to know my point was understood and well-received; I worry sometimes I misrepresent what I'm trying to say and get confusing to those reading it. xD
And not to further drive a stake in my point, because as I said, I empathize with those who created fandom items, but this has been on the Custom Clothing page from day one:
"We may at any time release official items on Subeta that are similar to custom items.
Anything you submit, including items based on personal characters, becomes property of Agoge, Incorporated. "
Note the last five words, please.
What you submitted became their property. They are at full discretion to change it, with or without your consent. So, while this is a horrible situation and it would be in ill will to handle this any other way, it is rather gracious of them to take into account the original artist's wishes and attempt to contact them with special requests before making changes. It's very tasteful on Subeta's part, and for the reasons I already stated below, the best and most tactful option to this rather unfortunate situation.
And not to further drive a stake in my point, because as I said, I empathize with those who created fandom items, but this has been on the Custom Clothing page from day one:
"We may at any time release official items on Subeta that are similar to custom items.
Anything you submit, including items based on personal characters, becomes property of Agoge, Incorporated. "
Note the last five words, please.
What you submitted became their property. They are at full discretion to change it, with or without your consent. So, while this is a horrible situation and it would be in ill will to handle this any other way, it is rather gracious of them to take into account the original artist's wishes and attempt to contact them with special requests before making changes. It's very tasteful on Subeta's part, and for the reasons I already stated below, the best and most tactful option to this rather unfortunate situation.
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Historiography
Copyright is always going to be an issue though and quite honestly, for those who did do fandom items, as cool as they are, there's always going to be that chance that the item might be changed. It was a risk that to be quite honest, I figured would be a given for anyone drawing a fandom based item.
If an artist makes an exact copy of something that's already exists, be it a movie, cartoon or any other form of entertainment media, there's always going to be that chance that it will need to be altered, simply because the user is taking the property of something that technically is not theirs.
With that said, I distinctly remember my art professors stating that in general, the difference between the original and the mimic had to be at least 50% in order for it not to be infringing on copyright.
That was when I was in college though so I'm not positive what the standards are now, but there's a generic idea of how much usually needs to be different from the original for it not to be considered copyright infringement.
If an artist makes an exact copy of something that's already exists, be it a movie, cartoon or any other form of entertainment media, there's always going to be that chance that it will need to be altered, simply because the user is taking the property of something that technically is not theirs.
With that said, I distinctly remember my art professors stating that in general, the difference between the original and the mimic had to be at least 50% in order for it not to be infringing on copyright.
That was when I was in college though so I'm not positive what the standards are now, but there's a generic idea of how much usually needs to be different from the original for it not to be considered copyright infringement.
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Amon
I'm still confused about this. Not how it is now but rather that there were even such big problems to start with.
I mean, if staff says (before the feature is released and with the rules not updated upon release of the feature): 'You guys gonna love doing your own wearables, we'd fancy you draw your fan-stuff yourself, we mostly expect you to do fan-based stuff'
Saying that, what did you expect people to do, honestly?
It should have been clear at the point of release that no copyright should get harmed with custom items (common sense but still..). Changing it around afterwards like it came as a surprise that people would create fan-based stuff is kinda... well..
It might not be for me to say, as I'm not a custom item artist (but a customer at least) but 'fuzzy' rules and 'oh gonna try out first and then think the details afterwards' is a bit troublesome for those who have to deal with the concerning items (staff, original artist, those who bought the items). ^^'
Good to see that things are getting straighted out but I honestly expected a site like this who ought to know about copyright to think a bit forward on that matter.
I mean, if staff says (before the feature is released and with the rules not updated upon release of the feature): 'You guys gonna love doing your own wearables, we'd fancy you draw your fan-stuff yourself, we mostly expect you to do fan-based stuff'
Saying that, what did you expect people to do, honestly?
It should have been clear at the point of release that no copyright should get harmed with custom items (common sense but still..). Changing it around afterwards like it came as a surprise that people would create fan-based stuff is kinda... well..
It might not be for me to say, as I'm not a custom item artist (but a customer at least) but 'fuzzy' rules and 'oh gonna try out first and then think the details afterwards' is a bit troublesome for those who have to deal with the concerning items (staff, original artist, those who bought the items). ^^'
Good to see that things are getting straighted out but I honestly expected a site like this who ought to know about copyright to think a bit forward on that matter.
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Jasper
I really think you're being overly paranoid about the whole, copyright dealo.
Considering how much GAIA is getting away with, and for real money I might add, you really don't need to be this cautious.
Considering how much GAIA is getting away with, and for real money I might add, you really don't need to be this cautious.
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pax
Well said, Confection. Your comment made me think about this in a different way.
I honestly find it rather difficult to be impartial when it comes to this, but I am happy that Subeta is somehow taking a step towards the right direction. Yes, most of you who purchased fandom-related items may be at "a loss", but honestly, that's the risk you're putting yourself with when you get such a custom wearable; it was implied that they were almost always subject to change if any copyright issues arose. It was for that very reason that I honestly wasn't too thrilled to learn that tribute items could be made, because people will use it, and of course, be dismayed once they find out that they have to revise their item or have it taken down.
Custom wearables were always a matter of caveat emptor for me.
Confection. Your comment made me think about this in a different way.I honestly find it rather difficult to be impartial when it comes to this, but I am happy that Subeta is somehow taking a step towards the right direction. Yes, most of you who purchased fandom-related items may be at "a loss", but honestly, that's the risk you're putting yourself with when you get such a custom wearable; it was implied that they were almost always subject to change if any copyright issues arose. It was for that very reason that I honestly wasn't too thrilled to learn that tribute items could be made, because people will use it, and of course, be dismayed once they find out that they have to revise their item or have it taken down.
Custom wearables were always a matter of caveat emptor for me.
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Catgut
I think this is a step on the right direction. I look forward to seeing how the staff redraws are handled though, because that's what a positive respnse from me ultimately hinges on.
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Fray
Bravo, Confection! Your post was one of the best I've seen on this news post, and I agree 100%. :')
Confection! Your post was one of the best I've seen on this news post, and I agree 100%. :')
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kimcl91
Im completely happy with subeta making all this new rules with copywrite items that are going around...personally im tired of seeing all those items that are being "costume made" that look exactly like items from shows or movies...theres nothing custom about it your basically taking and idea you seen and making it.its not from your own idea at all. GOOD JOB SUBETA!!!!! KEEP IN FORCING THESE RULES FOR THE CW!!! <3
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Confection
I think the issue here with Subeta "copycats" versus User-made "copycats" is a matter of access. If a Subeta copycat is deemed too close to a copyrighted item, their lawyers can inform them and they have every right to change it. They made the darn thing after all. Plus, they have access to a lawyer to ask if an item is acceptable or not before submitting it.
Did the users who drew up the fan-made items have lawyers over their shoulders? I'm going to guess not. And given that the standards weren't up to snuff at first and how many custom wearables had to be looked over, who was going to think to call over an official to ask if it was okay when they were reviewing a custom item for acceptance on to the site? They probably thought they knew the site standard well enough since they were given the task, and made some honest mistakes here and there; or maybe they were so excited about the item content it clouded their judgment on copyright. Who knows? Point being, I'm sure not every person who drew the item had a lawyer telling them if it was too close to copyright, and I'm sure there wasn't a lawyer assigned every time a custom item showed up in someone's inbox to be checked if it would infringe on the site.
What I'm also getting at with this is having the user who originally drew the item redraw it is more of a pain than some might realize. While I can see the appeal of having the user redraw the item, now that they know they have a higher standard to follow, they're not going to sit around waiting for people who don't know that standard. Everyone is complaining about their items getting changed too much, and I understand that frustration. But if copyright issues call for say, the Keeper of the Forest (and I'm only using this as one CW I am familiar with that is beautiful and a fan item, not to point a finger at the user who made it or anything like that) to have two sets of ears, different markings and a new coloration to be deemed far enough from copyright infringement, the site isn't going to want to wait while the user plods along only wanting to change one thing at a time for fear of making it too different. The user who drew it and the people who bought it like it the way it is, and obviously want to change it as little as possible. The site might need more sweeping changes than the user is ready to do with simply a notice of "this needs to be changed". While it's more of a burden on the artists and a frustration to the users who originally drew and bought the item, it gets the job done quicker because they now understand what they need to do to avoid lawsuits and can just....do it. Without a middle man. Taking into account special requests from the original artists but getting what needs to be done, done.
No waiting, no hassles, no possible user-left-forever having to wait for contact.
I can see the frustration of those who bought the items, believe me. But I also understand why Subeta is taking the action they're taking, and when you think about it, honestly it's the most effective solution in time, resources, and quick resolution to the problem. A change will never make everyone happy, but at least they're trying to upset as few people as possible and still fix the issue.
Did the users who drew up the fan-made items have lawyers over their shoulders? I'm going to guess not. And given that the standards weren't up to snuff at first and how many custom wearables had to be looked over, who was going to think to call over an official to ask if it was okay when they were reviewing a custom item for acceptance on to the site? They probably thought they knew the site standard well enough since they were given the task, and made some honest mistakes here and there; or maybe they were so excited about the item content it clouded their judgment on copyright. Who knows? Point being, I'm sure not every person who drew the item had a lawyer telling them if it was too close to copyright, and I'm sure there wasn't a lawyer assigned every time a custom item showed up in someone's inbox to be checked if it would infringe on the site.
What I'm also getting at with this is having the user who originally drew the item redraw it is more of a pain than some might realize. While I can see the appeal of having the user redraw the item, now that they know they have a higher standard to follow, they're not going to sit around waiting for people who don't know that standard. Everyone is complaining about their items getting changed too much, and I understand that frustration. But if copyright issues call for say, the Keeper of the Forest (and I'm only using this as one CW I am familiar with that is beautiful and a fan item, not to point a finger at the user who made it or anything like that) to have two sets of ears, different markings and a new coloration to be deemed far enough from copyright infringement, the site isn't going to want to wait while the user plods along only wanting to change one thing at a time for fear of making it too different. The user who drew it and the people who bought it like it the way it is, and obviously want to change it as little as possible. The site might need more sweeping changes than the user is ready to do with simply a notice of "this needs to be changed". While it's more of a burden on the artists and a frustration to the users who originally drew and bought the item, it gets the job done quicker because they now understand what they need to do to avoid lawsuits and can just....do it. Without a middle man. Taking into account special requests from the original artists but getting what needs to be done, done.
No waiting, no hassles, no possible user-left-forever having to wait for contact.
I can see the frustration of those who bought the items, believe me. But I also understand why Subeta is taking the action they're taking, and when you think about it, honestly it's the most effective solution in time, resources, and quick resolution to the problem. A change will never make everyone happy, but at least they're trying to upset as few people as possible and still fix the issue.
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fledgling
I'm just really glad I stayed away from fandom items completely x_x
Thank you guys again for keeping us updated!! Although I do think it would be nice if the artists of the items requiring changes were allowed to make the changes themselves.
Thank you guys again for keeping us updated!! Although I do think it would be nice if the artists of the items requiring changes were allowed to make the changes themselves.
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Disfan
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I agree completely! Kudos to the staff for taking this stand.
by Ken Nice to see Subeta taking the issue of copywritten material seriously. We want to see Subeta around for many years to come, and having 'questionable' fandom items may set you guys up for trouble in the future. Good on you for sorting it out so quickly.
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Firefly_880
I really don't like the idea that the original artists don't get to fix their items, just like everyone else. I think a lot of artists will be insulted and offended by it. After all, they paid real money in order to create these items, share them with others, and have their art proudly displayed on someone's ha. It'd be like finishing a painting you're really proud of then having someone walk in and paint over it. :/
And what happens if the person doesn't want the item anymore? Is it just a "too bad" type of thing?
And what happens if the person doesn't want the item anymore? Is it just a "too bad" type of thing?
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finch
I really don't like the fact that the items are not going to be redrawn by the original artists. At all.
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Lai
Yeah this is pretty frustrating. I know I have more then a few people who have said if the item is changed then they won't keep it. What am I supposed to do there? Abandon them? I don't have the CSC to pay them back.
And I do think that it would be nice to be given the chance to change the item WE paid for ourselves. I've put at least $40 of my own money into these CWs, I think we should have a chance to change them ourselves.
Also I agree with Alicia, the Companion Cube doesn't even look anything at all like a companion cube anymore- It looks like a brick of gears or something... if Keeper of the Forest Companion is changed so drastically, what is the point?
DON'T get me wrong, I love the fact that you are giving us this chance to change it- AND I love that the Artists are contacting us and working with us on this. AND as a busy artist, I am thankful to have the option to have someone as talented as Arbor to be working on it for me- but at the same time, I kinda wished we at least had the option to decide.
And I do think that it would be nice to be given the chance to change the item WE paid for ourselves. I've put at least $40 of my own money into these CWs, I think we should have a chance to change them ourselves.
Also I agree with Alicia, the Companion Cube doesn't even look anything at all like a companion cube anymore- It looks like a brick of gears or something... if Keeper of the Forest Companion is changed so drastically, what is the point?
DON'T get me wrong, I love the fact that you are giving us this chance to change it- AND I love that the Artists are contacting us and working with us on this. AND as a busy artist, I am thankful to have the option to have someone as talented as Arbor to be working on it for me- but at the same time, I kinda wished we at least had the option to decide.
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HISTORY_377
Oh poor artists. You have enough work already. I do agree with artists who would prefer to redo their own work though. I do not understand why the artists should do it, excepting that perhaps it is because they have knowledge of how the site art should look since it is, well, their work. Hopefully a lot of things don't need to be redone , 'cause I own a lot of fandom items and would hate to see them altered. :c
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Window
This should be interesting.
I hope this doesn't flood staff artists with too much work to do.
I hope this doesn't flood staff artists with too much work to do.
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Klassikal
Jfc. I am so tired of the 'subeta ripped off copywriters, I should be able to too' arguement. Just because Subeta does it doesn't make it right. I am glad to that Subeta is going to be moving away from direct copies of of copywrite stuff.
I still don't understand the rational of making site artists work on the items, but maybe there are some items that just need to be completely changed?
I still don't understand the rational of making site artists work on the items, but maybe there are some items that just need to be completely changed?
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Squishy
@Kal
True, but doesn't mean it wasn't already stuff denied because of something similar. x) *don't want to spoiler*
Thats why i'd like a clarification on this and addition to the official rules if possible. Its really.. surprising if you have to file a ticket because of something like this.
True, but doesn't mean it wasn't already stuff denied because of something similar. x) *don't want to spoiler*
Thats why i'd like a clarification on this and addition to the official rules if possible. Its really.. surprising if you have to file a ticket because of something like this.
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Clearwater
It's interesting that Subeta would get so official with custom wearables, which is understandable, but there are definitely loads of items that are possibly an infringement. Kind of picky, no?
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VALHALLA
@Sailania ROFL.
the difference between 'socks' and 'kitten' is they are words and not copywritten intellectual property.
the difference between 'socks' and 'kitten' is they are words and not copywritten intellectual property.
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Celestial
Um... okay, so I don't mind that there is being a crack-down on the fandom items, in fact it is probably needed. However, if an artist such as myself has had one already accepted that needs to be modified, why would a staff artist be assigned to modify it? Why not tell the artist what needs to be done instead of taking that on as something that the Subeta artists need to fix? Personally if something I did needs to be fixed, redone, whatever, I want to do it and resubmit it. I don't want anyone else touching my art, and I'm sure the people that bought my item would feel the same way. They bought my item knowing the quality of it and how it would turn out. Who knows how it will come out if a completely different artist redraws an image? Let the original artist take care of the modifications.
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Cersei
I think custom items are a really stupid idea unless you are going to give us complete control over the item we are paying REAL WORLD MONEY for.
But thats just me and this is a feature I'm never going to waste money on.
But thats just me and this is a feature I'm never going to waste money on.
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Gourgeist
I paid 700 CSC to get my Keeper of the Forest Companion ...
I wish it won't be changed that much :/
I wish it won't be changed that much :/
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Squishy
I still have issues with the name of an item.
How about users with rw names? If you are named Socks, Kitten, Insane, Happy, Pink etc it doesn't really make much sense to go strict after this rule..
How about users with rw names? If you are named Socks, Kitten, Insane, Happy, Pink etc it doesn't really make much sense to go strict after this rule..
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Paint
Ah, good to have things clarified!
As a note to people saying that the original artist should have a chance to redraw the item, this makes sense to me for fan items, but not for items that are not "up to quality". Considering the fact that the issue is the style/quality/whatever they're drawn in in the first place, it wouldn't makes sense to have the artists redraw it again unless they set up something like "try redrawing it once if that doesn't pan out we'll have staff do it"?
But again, thank you for the clarification!
As a note to people saying that the original artist should have a chance to redraw the item, this makes sense to me for fan items, but not for items that are not "up to quality". Considering the fact that the issue is the style/quality/whatever they're drawn in in the first place, it wouldn't makes sense to have the artists redraw it again unless they set up something like "try redrawing it once if that doesn't pan out we'll have staff do it"?
But again, thank you for the clarification!
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Fray
I'm actually really glad to see you guys cracking down on all the fan items that were taking over the CW forum- as said before, it's really quite unfair for certain subeta users to be benefiting from other people's intellectual properties.
Atleast the future items I have planned won't be affected by this, so I suppose it's alright for me to go about saying this, neh.
It will be nice to see people coming up with ~unique~ items instead of fandom ones, I must say! ^^;
Atleast the future items I have planned won't be affected by this, so I suppose it's alright for me to go about saying this, neh.
It will be nice to see people coming up with ~unique~ items instead of fandom ones, I must say! ^^;
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ColorBlind
I don't have any custom wearables nor have I made any, but I have been aware of the amount of problems it has caused. I'm glad the process is more clear, but as an artist I don't think it is entirely fair for people's art to be tampered with without them seeing the outcome. They should be given the opportunity to edit their item (like the Snitch) before the deadline. If it still doesn't meet Subeta standards, then the staff artists should step in. These are people's artwork you're messing with. I just find it a little insulting for someone to not be able to edit their own drawing because they put a lot of work into it.
I personally wouldn't have made fandom items glaringly obvious to the original copyright because I know that the product isn't truly mine. The editing of the cube is what I do support in terms of being inspired by a trademark while not just copying it. That's just my opinion. I've been taught to not try and sell things that are fandom specific, nor to put drawings of them in my portfolio. Blame my art teacher. ;X
I also agree with everythingBolt said. When I discovered the feature after a long hiatus from here, the first thought I had was that now everyone will start making a bunch of fandom items. I just think that the staff should have been aware of that too. I'll also start lurking the Bragging and Complaining forum more too. ;P
I do hope that this change will allow people to be more creative with their items rather than just drawing from already made creations. I'm a creative person who would like to use this feature in the future, but I always got the feeling that no one would buy my stuff because it isn't from a fandom.
I personally wouldn't have made fandom items glaringly obvious to the original copyright because I know that the product isn't truly mine. The editing of the cube is what I do support in terms of being inspired by a trademark while not just copying it. That's just my opinion. I've been taught to not try and sell things that are fandom specific, nor to put drawings of them in my portfolio. Blame my art teacher. ;X
I also agree with everything
Bolt said. When I discovered the feature after a long hiatus from here, the first thought I had was that now everyone will start making a bunch of fandom items. I just think that the staff should have been aware of that too. I'll also start lurking the Bragging and Complaining forum more too. ;PI do hope that this change will allow people to be more creative with their items rather than just drawing from already made creations. I'm a creative person who would like to use this feature in the future, but I always got the feeling that no one would buy my stuff because it isn't from a fandom.
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Lantern
Well, I just hope hair/wigs won't be too affected by all this. You can't really copyright a hair style :P
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Loving
I personally didn't do any custom items, too expensive, and I do understand that you all payed $50 for it, and yes, it's a little offensive to have someone else draw it when you payed that kind of money(though, I'd be honored to have such lovely artists redo something of mine, but in the case of spending $50... no).
I'll admit, I didn't read this all the way through, classic case of tl;dr, but I'd imagine someone contacted them regarding the material that infringed on copyrights and gave them a set deadline to fix these problems or there'd probably be some consequences to deal with.
Coming from said situation, I understand why they'd have the artists speed it up to make the deadline for our own good. We wouldn't want Subeta to go down because someone didn't cut the deadline, now do we? No. No we don't. They're honestly doing it in 'self defense', in said situation.
Perhaps the original artists can get a chance to redo the revamp after the deadline, should they not like it, and have the staff rate it to make sure it doesn't cause any problems? I'm sure everyone would like this option, at the very least. It'd allow Subeta to both make the deadline, let the already existing custom item artists have the honor of their item being redrawn by a staff member(should they take it that way), and have the opportunity to redo it themselves -after- the deadline, should they not like the staff's revamp. Win-win, in my opinion.
I'll admit, I didn't read this all the way through, classic case of tl;dr, but I'd imagine someone contacted them regarding the material that infringed on copyrights and gave them a set deadline to fix these problems or there'd probably be some consequences to deal with.
Coming from said situation, I understand why they'd have the artists speed it up to make the deadline for our own good. We wouldn't want Subeta to go down because someone didn't cut the deadline, now do we? No. No we don't. They're honestly doing it in 'self defense', in said situation.
Perhaps the original artists can get a chance to redo the revamp after the deadline, should they not like it, and have the staff rate it to make sure it doesn't cause any problems? I'm sure everyone would like this option, at the very least. It'd allow Subeta to both make the deadline, let the already existing custom item artists have the honor of their item being redrawn by a staff member(should they take it that way), and have the opportunity to redo it themselves -after- the deadline, should they not like the staff's revamp. Win-win, in my opinion.
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Bolt
I will definitely enjoy watching the bragging and complaining forum as this happens. Shit is going to be interesting.
Also, it sucks that people have paid for specific things that, after the revamp, they might not want at all.
Messy situation, honestly. I'm not quite sure why this never factored into the thought process as this went into development, especially since the Subeta staff is always keenly aware of the "CAN WE HAVE HARRY POTTER TRUNKS" "I WOULD LOVE A CALCIFER FROM HOWL'S MOVING CASTLE AS A MINION" "JABBERWOCKY BACKGROUNDS" kind of suggestions that always crop up in the Suggestions section.
I'm just saying, the more you guys try to capitalise on "WE REALLY, REALLY, REALLY SUPER SERIOUSLY HONESTLY PUT THOUGHT INTO THIS BEFORE WE IMPLEMENTED IT ONTO THE SITE, HONEST", the weirder it sounds.
As I said, I'll be trawling the forums for the next several weeks...
Also, it sucks that people have paid for specific things that, after the revamp, they might not want at all.
Messy situation, honestly. I'm not quite sure why this never factored into the thought process as this went into development, especially since the Subeta staff is always keenly aware of the "CAN WE HAVE HARRY POTTER TRUNKS" "I WOULD LOVE A CALCIFER FROM HOWL'S MOVING CASTLE AS A MINION" "JABBERWOCKY BACKGROUNDS" kind of suggestions that always crop up in the Suggestions section.
I'm just saying, the more you guys try to capitalise on "WE REALLY, REALLY, REALLY SUPER SERIOUSLY HONESTLY PUT THOUGHT INTO THIS BEFORE WE IMPLEMENTED IT ONTO THE SITE, HONEST", the weirder it sounds.
As I said, I'll be trawling the forums for the next several weeks...
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glory_720
i think it's great that a staff member is redrawing these. there are some cws that just don't fit the quality of subeta items. not a lot, but a few.
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Chou
And this is just one of the reason why Subeta is the best pet-site ever! I really think that this is a compromise that most people (and yes I also mean the original artists of the CWs) can live with, as you already said, it's not perfect, but I think that it'll work out quite fine! :)
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LizzyBoots
@Jindra
Yeah that make sense, I mean some of the wigs have accessories, etc in them that are pretty recognizable as characters, so I don't know about that. But the ones that just look like normal hair should be okay, right?
Yeah that make sense, I mean some of the wigs have accessories, etc in them that are pretty recognizable as characters, so I don't know about that. But the ones that just look like normal hair should be okay, right?
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what
GOTTA LOVE THE COMMUNICATION, SUBETA.
Keep it up!
Luckily I don't have any custom wears to worry about, whoo.
Keep it up!
Luckily I don't have any custom wears to worry about, whoo.
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Sugar
I'm not too worried. I just hope my Ruki hair (that I've commissioned) will pass. It's just hair after all :)
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Satyr
frankly im happy with this response. i know a select few people (aka those who own the items in question that are due for a revamp) will be pissed off, but frankly i think that is kind of unavoidable if you are going to be dealing with this issue whatsoever. im just happy to see subeta addressing the rules of copywrites and intellectual property seriously. because really, all it takes is one big pissed off copyright holder to bring the entire site to its knees. even if that were never to happen, it is just downright sleazy to profit off the IP of others. so yes, good on you for this, subeta.
if only this sort of thing had been decided prior to the feature's launch.
if only this sort of thing had been decided prior to the feature's launch.
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Rebecca_324
I don't understand why staff would do the redraw. I think the original artist should be given the opportunity to do it themselves and staff artists shouldn't step in unless they fail to meet the standards before the deadline.
Also, Subeta should seriously consider correcting some of their own copyrighted items during this time. I was proud of Keith for owning up to the cube, but let's face it, there's a ton of items on here that are just as bad.
Also, Subeta should seriously consider correcting some of their own copyrighted items during this time. I was proud of Keith for owning up to the cube, but let's face it, there's a ton of items on here that are just as bad.
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odduckOasis
If anything, I think that the artist should have the right to change it themselves. If the points are made to the artist about what they need to change, they should be given the opportunity to change it. Now, perhaps the staff artist can still draw it so that if the original artist doesn't meet the deadline the staff changes can go into effect anyways. Just a thought to be considerate to the artists that have put a lot of time into items that they hoped people on site would enjoy.
I understand the whole legal reasons behind why customs need to be more strict and why staff can put out items that are fan based and it's okay- but at the same time, I think it's a double standard. If legal was okay with you putting out an item officially on the site by staff artists who were paid for the item with real cash- then putting an item on site that is then owned by subeta once it's accepted should fall under the same standard and rules. By saying you own the item once it is put on site- you are stating that the same official legal reasons apply to custom wears as official staff wears. It's just a double standard that is confusing and I don't think it's right.
I don't care if there are rules about copyrighted material- it makes sense to be more strict about things so that exact copies of things aren't uploaded when it comes to trademarked/copyrighted things (cars, cubes, characters, ect.) and I think it's good to be doing this, but in the end, I still think the original artist should be given the chance to redo the art themselves, otherwise it's just a slap in the face.
I understand the whole legal reasons behind why customs need to be more strict and why staff can put out items that are fan based and it's okay- but at the same time, I think it's a double standard. If legal was okay with you putting out an item officially on the site by staff artists who were paid for the item with real cash- then putting an item on site that is then owned by subeta once it's accepted should fall under the same standard and rules. By saying you own the item once it is put on site- you are stating that the same official legal reasons apply to custom wears as official staff wears. It's just a double standard that is confusing and I don't think it's right.
I don't care if there are rules about copyrighted material- it makes sense to be more strict about things so that exact copies of things aren't uploaded when it comes to trademarked/copyrighted things (cars, cubes, characters, ect.) and I think it's good to be doing this, but in the end, I still think the original artist should be given the chance to redo the art themselves, otherwise it's just a slap in the face.
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Cat
Kinda makes me wish I'd been more agressive getting one of the questionable items, I'd love to have a custom redraw. If I'm reading it right, these users will end up with unique items, no? Anyway, glad it's being addressed. I can stop pining over the the Forest Companion.
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Calypso_274
I agree with MapleRose. I seriously doubt Subeta has approval from the photographer of that image or Nicole Richie's management.
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Peeps
I think the original artist should at least have the option to make the changes themselves. They paid for it, you guys approved it, and I'd imagine there's a huge sense of pride that goes with seeing your own work on here. Letting them give the artist a "special request" before they redraw isn't enough imo.
I do think the change in policy was needed though.
I do think the change in policy was needed though.
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Literature
*strokes my precious snitch*
I completely understand the new rules and am glad to see them implemented in this way, but I am truly worried for my snitch. ♥️
I completely understand the new rules and am glad to see them implemented in this way, but I am truly worried for my snitch. ♥️
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MapleRose
I think from reading the rules on the Custom Clothing page, "tribute" items are okay as long as there are at least 4 changes to it?
Still, it makes me wonder about the Subeta-made items that are tributes. One example I think think of (even though it's not a wearable) is
Still, it makes me wonder about the Subeta-made items that are tributes. One example I think think of (even though it's not a wearable) is
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Jindra
Some of the Subeta wearables, like wigs, I don't think fall under the same copy right issues. Typically no one would bother to trademark a hair style but something like the companion cube you would need permission to use because it is a trademarked product.
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Quiet_748
I really like that the rules are being updated, I know there have been a lot of issues with fandom items and I'm really glad to see them being resolved. Though I think its a little unfair that a Subeta artist will have to re-draw a fandom item instead of the original user/artist who created it. If the original user/artist was able to make it in the first place, there isn't a reason that they won't be able to re-draw it again. Just my two cents though.
Rather than that, I'm super glad to see these new rules ^_^
Rather than that, I'm super glad to see these new rules ^_^
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Surprise
Oh I hadn't thought of that @gemaigall That idea makes me a little annoyed. I just paid a lot of SP for two of the wearables within the last week. :(
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wizardry
What about items like 
? It was created as a tribute to Ghost from ASOIAF but it's basically just an albino wolf, GRRM didn't copyright those...
Just curious, really.
Just curious, really.
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RaeRaeV
Thank you guys so much for trying as hard as you do to make everything about this site flow and work. I'm glad this issue is taken seriously.
But, I do have to wonder what this means for "knock-off" and "parody" items, as others have asked. Does this mean that old items like Gleeyore, Daybreak, Glowing Wands, The One Ring, etc will be changed or deleted if CWs that are similar but not the same as their inspirations aren't allowed?
I mean I understand an exact replica or one with TOO many similarities being not allowed. But will we be able to make items that are just parodies, or whatever, that are similar enough to know what you're referencing to but aren't identical?
I hope this doesn't come across as snippy or unhappy, lol 8'D . I just want to be sure I understand .__.'
But, I do have to wonder what this means for "knock-off" and "parody" items, as others have asked. Does this mean that old items like Gleeyore, Daybreak, Glowing Wands, The One Ring, etc will be changed or deleted if CWs that are similar but not the same as their inspirations aren't allowed?
I mean I understand an exact replica or one with TOO many similarities being not allowed. But will we be able to make items that are just parodies, or whatever, that are similar enough to know what you're referencing to but aren't identical?
I hope this doesn't come across as snippy or unhappy, lol 8'D . I just want to be sure I understand .__.'
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JESSYTA
Keith has said on the forums that the rules for custom items and the rules for official subeta items are not the same:
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So I wouldn't expect official Subeta items to be changed because of this...
@Classy There are a few things that I can say for this. We (as in the staff) have lawyers on retainer that we always consult when we have situations arise like that. We always make the appropriate number of changes, and have consulted with the legal departments of other companies in the past to verify that we are able to do what we are doing. Also, custom items does not equal official site items. We're allowing users to make their own items but with far stricter boundries than the ones imposed on official staff artists, because of the above reason, and other reasons. Of course if you don't want to operate inside of those boundries, you can hope/wait/suggest an official version of the item you're hoping for, or just not use the new system.
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LizzyBoots
What about items that are like, wigs of an actor? Is that alright? Like not even something recognizable as a character, but the Benedict Cumberbatch wig, or I think there might be a Karen Gillian one, etc?
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Thunderbird
I'm also glad to see Subeta take copyright issues seriously, especially concerning the upcoming vote on the SOPA act. Seeing as how Lionsgate (Hunger Games) and J.K. Rowling (Harry Potter) have been cracking down lately on issues of "intellectual copyright violations", it is better to do this sooner rather than later.
Some Subeta users won't like it, seeing as how many fandoms, especially Naruto and Harry Potter, among others including HTTYD and Disney (among others I've seen on the CW forum), are very popular, but I have to agree with this rule. As Subeta gets more popular, it's only a matter of time before the actual copyright owner (or their lawyer) would send a "cease and desist" letter.
Some Subeta users won't like it, seeing as how many fandoms, especially Naruto and Harry Potter, among others including HTTYD and Disney (among others I've seen on the CW forum), are very popular, but I have to agree with this rule. As Subeta gets more popular, it's only a matter of time before the actual copyright owner (or their lawyer) would send a "cease and desist" letter.
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gemajgall
Will this also apply to Subeta-made fan-based items? Such as a lot of the Epicon wearables. Will they also be altered in some way to fit these new standards?
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Slytherin
I really, really hope the snitch isnt too drastically changed. D: I tried to change it as much as possible in the beginning; changing the wing style, wing color, and the design on the ball itself. Not really sure what else I could have done, but its not an exact copy. *anxiously waits*
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Carpathia
I still don't follow this 100% I'm sorry, I guess I need things clarified. Are parody items something we can do period or do items have to be 100% all original? For example, I'm hoping to commission a wig like Cress's hair from Pokemon Black & White. Could I have it look similar or close to his hair or would it have to be different? And could the description and name be a reference to the fact that he's a water trainer? If I decided I wanted it to be called "Blue Watery Locks" and the description would be something like "Wow, this hair is really flowing!" could that be allowed?
I'm just a little confused about wigs and things especially since we have Subeta made parody items like
which is exactly, or almost exactly, Katara's hair from Avatar the Last Airbender, and it has a AtLA quote reference in the description.
I'm just a little confused about wigs and things especially since we have Subeta made parody items like
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Wolf_Spirit
HUGE QUESTION - Would I be able to commission someone to create knock-off fandom items similar to the Plinkachu and other knock-off fandom items that are here on this site???
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Tetsune
Man, this just means we need to think through more when we make our wearables.
Not TOO much of a big deal, but when you run a shop with a LOT of Fandom Wearables like me a Brit are doing, it's going to be some hard work. ;;
I don't want it to look too far off!
Not TOO much of a big deal, but when you run a shop with a LOT of Fandom Wearables like me a Brit are doing, it's going to be some hard work. ;;
I don't want it to look too far off!
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Draken
my big question is this..what if the item(s) are just based on copyrighted material, meaning not an exact rendition, but similar
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Enigma
I agree with all of this as a way to keep SB out of trouble but as for the snitch, how much can that item be changed really? A snitch was very clearly described by the author, we all know what it looks like and changing it would ruin it. Such a nice item, I hope it's not changed too drastically. Maybe painting it silver? After all we all know snitches are gold colored...?
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Lazuli
Fortunately I only have 4 CW items and none of them have anything to do with fandom. So whew on that. I do kind of thing some lower quality art has been approved when it shouldn't be...but that's a separate issue I guess.
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fable
thanks so much for working on all the kinks in the system so custom wearables can work well for everyone on the site! the feature is so amazing, and I like the effort being put into it, instead of just letting it collapse into chaos.
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Snot
I'm pretty sure one I bought will be changed. That sucks, but I can see why it is needed. At least it's being done by one of the very talented staff artists, so it will be done well.
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Ziva_694
it's nice to see this, the staff trying to solve it all, with redrawing items etc (:
I'm not affected at all by this, but it's a good thing!^_^
I'm not affected at all by this, but it's a good thing!^_^
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BelovedWinter
I agree that the artist should be the one to redraw the item, not Subeta staff. :/ The staff's position is a precarious one in this case, but as an artist, and someone who would have paid $50 for the right to draw *my own item*, I would be pretty offended by the idea that someone else is going to draw the edits. :( It's like having a redline forced upon you, and that's... I dunno, not right, to me.
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Follywood
ruh roh, hopefully the items that have to be changed don't have to be changed by much...
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Cora
Glad the three CW I own likely won't get affected by those changes! c: But it's really nice to have clear rules. :)
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VALHALLA
I appreciate that this has been addressed but I really do wish that staff had decided before launching this how to address fandom items to begin with.
This is as good a solution as any, though.
This is as good a solution as any, though.
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Lindsey
So if the item changes drastically and we're unhappy with it, we're stuck with an item we paid CSC for, but no longer like? I only got one, the snitch, and hopefully it's not too big an issue. :c
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Medli
I'm really happy to see Subeta taking a professional route and actually giving users a good heads-up as to whats going on. I really hope we seem this kind of professionalism continue in the future.
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Alicia
Also, I'm not sure a staff artist should redraw the item? Perhaps the staff sets guidelines and the original artist should redraw it??
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KEN
Nice to see Subeta taking the issue of copywritten material seriously. We want to see Subeta around for many years to come, and having 'questionable' fandom items may set you guys up for trouble in the future. Good on you for sorting it out so quickly. :)
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Alicia
omg.
If the changes to the snitch are as big as the changes to the companion cube idk if I'll even want it anymore! D;
If the changes to the snitch are as big as the changes to the companion cube idk if I'll even want it anymore! D;
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