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I should have put a quote box x.x;
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Same. - I was reffering to Garrett8357 <img src=/images/smilies/6398_emoticon_sad.gif border=0>
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Yeah, I'd really like to know what about the old fester is goth/emo/dark. I mean...come on.
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<br>The new fester looks more like an actual vulture if you guys have ever googled one. They are SHORT and stocky, not long and lanky. Honestly, it not looking like a vulture anymore is a weak argument. It never did in the first place.
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<br>The new fester looks more like an actual vulture if you guys have ever googled one. They are SHORT and stocky, not long and lanky. Honestly, it not looking like a vulture anymore is a weak argument. It never did in the first place.
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<br>I hate what people saying about the new pets ;;
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<br>They're absolutly Gorgeous- This isn't a GOTH/EMO ONLY site, people. xD
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<br>Personally, i think the /New/ bloodred pets are the most frightening things yet- so i wouldn't be saying the older pets are 'darker'.
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<br>I cant wait for the new BR Fester <3 </blockquote>
<br>0_o What Goth??? Emo??? I just love Festers.
<br>Gee Golly Whiz. <img src=/images/smilies/6398_emoticon_shocked.gif border=0>
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<br>I hate what people saying about the new pets ;;
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<br>They're absolutly Gorgeous- This isn't a GOTH/EMO ONLY site, people. xD
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<br>Personally, i think the /New/ bloodred pets are the most frightening things yet- so i wouldn't be saying the older pets are 'darker'.
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<br>I cant wait for the new BR Fester <3 </blockquote>
<br>0_o What Goth??? Emo??? I just love Festers.
<br>Gee Golly Whiz. <img src=/images/smilies/6398_emoticon_shocked.gif border=0>
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Honestly I think this looks worse than the old one. Sure, it's cleaner and all, but it looks more like an eagle where the old one looked like a vulture.
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<br>I liked the vulture look better.
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<br>I liked the vulture look better.
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I agree with Ish :/
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Ew
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<br>I hate what people saying about the new pets ;;
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<br>They're absolutly Gorgeous- This isn't a GOTH/EMO ONLY site, people. xD
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<br>Personally, i think the /New/ bloodred pets are the most frightening things yet- so i wouldn't be saying the older pets are 'darker'.
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<br>I cant wait for the new BR Fester <3
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<br>I hate what people saying about the new pets ;;
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<br>They're absolutly Gorgeous- This isn't a GOTH/EMO ONLY site, people. xD
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<br>Personally, i think the /New/ bloodred pets are the most frightening things yet- so i wouldn't be saying the older pets are 'darker'.
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<br>I cant wait for the new BR Fester <3
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My opinion is that the new is worse:
<br>a) it's no longer scraggly. It lacks the old's personality. all the newbies who say, "OMG iT's sCaRy!1" are much too easily scared.
<br>b) subeta is getting less and less dark, it's disappointing.
<br>c) the new fester looks like an eagle.
<br>d) the new fester has a boring pose
<br>e) if anything, for the sake of being sentimental, almost everyone who has been on beta for a while wants to keep the old one.
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<br>a) it's no longer scraggly. It lacks the old's personality. all the newbies who say, "OMG iT's sCaRy!1" are much too easily scared.
<br>b) subeta is getting less and less dark, it's disappointing.
<br>c) the new fester looks like an eagle.
<br>d) the new fester has a boring pose
<br>e) if anything, for the sake of being sentimental, almost everyone who has been on beta for a while wants to keep the old one.
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In my oppinion, the new fester is 100% better than the old one- hands down. New favorite pet- Yay! x3
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I like the new one. Personally, the old ones kinda creeped me out, and I DON'T have a bird fear. And I, like most, still think the essence of the fester is there. It's not cute or cuddly; it looks strong and majestic, kind of like a proud hunter. I don't know if I'd ever adopt one, but I'm much more likely, if they look like this.
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<br>P.S. Just a comment - When they redid the Kumos last week, my boyfriend had a fit. That's the only pet he owns, one Kumos. I basically told him that if he didn't like, he knew what to do. You can't please everyone, but you can please the majority.
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<br>P.S. Just a comment - When they redid the Kumos last week, my boyfriend had a fit. That's the only pet he owns, one Kumos. I basically told him that if he didn't like, he knew what to do. You can't please everyone, but you can please the majority.
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I like the new Fester better. The old one looked too much like another very unpopular pet from a certain pet site. Now I will actually have a reason to adopt one. XD
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It looks like a graceful eagle. <img src=/images/smilies/6398_emoticon_smile.gif border=0> I'll adopt one if it's like that!
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TracyH
Well Now I am plum asshamed of myself. Here I took this so personal as if all of Subeta went against me and was changing MY festers to hurt me.
<br>How much did I overate myself. First of all they are not my Festers. They are Subeta's Festers.
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<br>My dear Lycan is not one bit offended of course not because she is a proper lady and not a big ol baby like me.
<br>I am afraid a person's feelings got hurt and you know what that makes me feel horrid.
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<br>I think we should rally around tategami and treat her with the respect that artists deserve. They work so hard and I am keeping my pets Festers whether they are this version the current or something totally different because if I morphed HRH I am afraid she might end up in the Subetan Sanitorium for the Criminally Insane.
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<br>((((Hugs)))) to tategami <img src=/images/smilies/6398_emoticon_heart.gif border=0>
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<br>Sorry to all the staff and all the other users for being a big ol' baby.
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<br>How much did I overate myself. First of all they are not my Festers. They are Subeta's Festers.
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<br>My dear Lycan is not one bit offended of course not because she is a proper lady and not a big ol baby like me.
<br>I am afraid a person's feelings got hurt and you know what that makes me feel horrid.
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<br>I think we should rally around tategami and treat her with the respect that artists deserve. They work so hard and I am keeping my pets Festers whether they are this version the current or something totally different because if I morphed HRH I am afraid she might end up in the Subetan Sanitorium for the Criminally Insane.
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<br>Sorry to all the staff and all the other users for being a big ol' baby.
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I think this looks beautiful! I still think it's like the last one, this one just has more pride (Which I'm loving). If I had space, I'd adopt 'im. :3
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Well me thinks it looks great, so majestic and proud, just what it needed.
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<br>I'm not really offended; I expected everyone wouldn't be happy with the changes.
<br>I am a little exasperated, though. Hopefully you understand. ^__^;; </blockquote>
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<br>Oh Bless your heart sweetie. I know I have been a pain. I never meant to hurt your feelings at all and I hope if I did please forgive me.<img src=/images/smilies/6398_emoticon_blush.gif border=0> I love Subetan Artists.<img src=/images/smilies/6398_emoticon_heart.gif border=0> I loved them every since the first day I saw this place. <img src=/images/smilies/6398_emoticon_heart.gif border=0>
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<br>I'm not really offended; I expected everyone wouldn't be happy with the changes.
<br>I am a little exasperated, though. Hopefully you understand. ^__^;; </blockquote>
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<br>Oh Bless your heart sweetie. I know I have been a pain. I never meant to hurt your feelings at all and I hope if I did please forgive me.<img src=/images/smilies/6398_emoticon_blush.gif border=0> I love Subetan Artists.<img src=/images/smilies/6398_emoticon_heart.gif border=0> I loved them every since the first day I saw this place. <img src=/images/smilies/6398_emoticon_heart.gif border=0>
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Tat, I think it's beautiful and it should be kept just the way you made it. <img src=/images/smilies/6398_emoticon_smile.gif border=0> <333 It looks like a REAL vulture and that moehawk is like, totally rockin'! <img src=/images/smilies/6398_emoticon_happy.gif border=0>
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Hey HRH really loves her long legs is there any way we can compromise on the legs please?Unlike my other humble Festers.HRH thinks she is the cat's meow and fainted when she saw the poll. She thinks she is perfect and just like the time she got elixired into a Ghostly to get an avvie. She is walking around all in a tissy saying
<br>"Well I never!" LOL
<br>"Well I never!" LOL
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NIKKI
"whatchoo wanna do?" "I dunno, whatchoo wanna do?" "I dunno, whatchoo wanna do?"
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<br>The wings and torso may look like an eagle but really, that's where the comparison ends. Even the bald eagle isn't bald. :shrug: That's a vulture thing and the most obvious part of the pet [besides the birght green mohawk of course!].
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<br>Besides, what you gonna do? Complain that every brown bird with puffed up feathers is an eagle?
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<br>The wings and torso may look like an eagle but really, that's where the comparison ends. Even the bald eagle isn't bald. :shrug: That's a vulture thing and the most obvious part of the pet [besides the birght green mohawk of course!].
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<br>Besides, what you gonna do? Complain that every brown bird with puffed up feathers is an eagle?
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PS; You rock ananas~
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Dickie, she's not making the pet more likeable. I think she's simply giving it a bit of an upgrade. If we were making it 'likeable' I'm sure the whole fester Idea would have been scrapped and you'd get something like:
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After reading the comments, agreeing with some but disagreeing with others, but I'm not going to go into that because it's already been covered by other users, I have something of my own to say:
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<br>On the original, one thing I probably disliked about the design were infact the long legs(i admit though, the long legs look good on the GY fester). To me they made the pet look awkward, and didn't really add to the carrion bird quality this pet was to supposedly have. I don't know, just my personal opinion... In any case, this revamp brings a new strength to the personality of the pet, that the original actually countered with it's nobbly knees and stilted legs.
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<br>Tategami kept the good features of this pet, such as the green hair and frigid eyes, updated them, and changed what was unnatractive. She gave the pet actually more personality than it originally had, and made it more attractive for users previously uninterested in the pet, like myself, which I believe was the goal of this redraw. Pleasing the current owners of the pet isn't the prime issue right now, although still something to consider, since it is <b>unpopular</b> with adopters and the whole purpose was to make it more popular, so why not change it drastically like that so that more people are interested in it? There's no point in keeping the pet if very little users are interested... and if it's not changed into something more stylish and attractive, what's the point in keeping it? I know I might be offending fester-lovers slightly... but we just need to face the facts, the fester is greatly unpopular, and if it wants to retain it's presence in Subeta then it needs to gain the love of more users than those who already love it.
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<br>Sorry that was long. To Tategami and all the other artists of this site, I really respect your work, and it takes a lot of mental strength to take in so much criticism, but hang in there, you are doing such a wonderful job!! <3
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<br>On the original, one thing I probably disliked about the design were infact the long legs(i admit though, the long legs look good on the GY fester). To me they made the pet look awkward, and didn't really add to the carrion bird quality this pet was to supposedly have. I don't know, just my personal opinion... In any case, this revamp brings a new strength to the personality of the pet, that the original actually countered with it's nobbly knees and stilted legs.
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<br>Tategami kept the good features of this pet, such as the green hair and frigid eyes, updated them, and changed what was unnatractive. She gave the pet actually more personality than it originally had, and made it more attractive for users previously uninterested in the pet, like myself, which I believe was the goal of this redraw. Pleasing the current owners of the pet isn't the prime issue right now, although still something to consider, since it is <b>unpopular</b> with adopters and the whole purpose was to make it more popular, so why not change it drastically like that so that more people are interested in it? There's no point in keeping the pet if very little users are interested... and if it's not changed into something more stylish and attractive, what's the point in keeping it? I know I might be offending fester-lovers slightly... but we just need to face the facts, the fester is greatly unpopular, and if it wants to retain it's presence in Subeta then it needs to gain the love of more users than those who already love it.
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<br>Sorry that was long. To Tategami and all the other artists of this site, I really respect your work, and it takes a lot of mental strength to take in so much criticism, but hang in there, you are doing such a wonderful job!! <3
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I would definently think of adopting one if it looked like this... looks more strong and pround, but keeps those fester qualities.
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But Kelpie...now it's just an eagle with a mohawk, I thought it looked more different before :/
<br>I think it's good and I know subeta's moved away from the traditional simple cartoon cell shading of lycan and quetzal...I just think pets should be revamped to make the art quality better...not to make the pet more likeable.
<br>I think it's good and I know subeta's moved away from the traditional simple cartoon cell shading of lycan and quetzal...I just think pets should be revamped to make the art quality better...not to make the pet more likeable.
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TracyH
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<br>I'll be OK, Spice <img src=/images/smilies/6398_emoticon_heart.gif border=0>
<br>I knew you'd be upset Tracy.</blockquote>
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Luxe
Suggestions will be taken, but I just have to say that coathanger really has the idea here. We're trying to make it less distinct what exactly any of our Subeta species are. Because if you can walk up and see it and say "Oh, that's a vulture," how much fun is that? How original is it? And what prevents every other site out there from having the same pet.
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<br>Perhaps the legs can be lengthened and a few things tweaked. I personally, am in favor of this look because it looks far stronger and more menacing and I honestly don't get how anyone thinks it's cute.
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<br>Tracy, this was meant in no way to offend you, and to be honest, I DID think that something on the site had to be the least adopted. But, then I came to the conclusion that if an UNLIMITED pet was adopted less than all of our limited edition pets, then perhaps that should tell us something. Why shouldn't it be a tad more likable?
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<br>Absolutely not, however do not be surprised if the site has a few changes to make the art all match in quality. Now, this is in no way directed at Lycan to be offensive, but the Fester was lacking in something that made it match the other pets. I really don't see how this is "adorable". It's not even remotely "cute" and it still kept every bit of the Fester's arrogance.
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<br>However, all that being said, despite the outstanding results of the poll, I will try to persuade Tat to modify a few things. Just please try to be nice to one another...
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<br>Perhaps the legs can be lengthened and a few things tweaked. I personally, am in favor of this look because it looks far stronger and more menacing and I honestly don't get how anyone thinks it's cute.
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<br>Tracy, this was meant in no way to offend you, and to be honest, I DID think that something on the site had to be the least adopted. But, then I came to the conclusion that if an UNLIMITED pet was adopted less than all of our limited edition pets, then perhaps that should tell us something. Why shouldn't it be a tad more likable?
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<br>Absolutely not, however do not be surprised if the site has a few changes to make the art all match in quality. Now, this is in no way directed at Lycan to be offensive, but the Fester was lacking in something that made it match the other pets. I really don't see how this is "adorable". It's not even remotely "cute" and it still kept every bit of the Fester's arrogance.
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<br>However, all that being said, despite the outstanding results of the poll, I will try to persuade Tat to modify a few things. Just please try to be nice to one another...
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layna
I like the old one, it reminds me of my dad. And the little stuffed teddy vulture my mum gave him when he was in hospital years ago cuz he was biting everyones head off <img src=/images/smilies/6398_emoticon_raspberry.gif border=0>
<br>The original one is cutes, it has character and attitude
<br>The original one is cutes, it has character and attitude
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Lyzette
This one is good to me. I was never a big fan of Festers; and I don't think it looks like an eagle. GO NEW!
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Also. I knew this day would come.
<br>I knew you'd be upset Tracy.
<br>I knew you'd be upset Tracy.
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I love the new fester. Perhaps the fester is going through a mid life crisis.
<br>Except in this mid life crisis case it ended up looking less scruffy. I do admit there are some features previously mentioned that suit the characteristics of the pet better.. however.. overall this is a beautiful redraw. The small quirks will take some time to love, but you will love your pets once again.
<br>Except in this mid life crisis case it ended up looking less scruffy. I do admit there are some features previously mentioned that suit the characteristics of the pet better.. however.. overall this is a beautiful redraw. The small quirks will take some time to love, but you will love your pets once again.
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TATGAIM STOP BENIG SO AWSUME PLZ? D:
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The wings are better bbut it doesn't seem like a fester to me. It seems more like the whole pet idea was changed to make it 'cooler'...whereas I always thought festers were meant to look a bit freaky and ugly.
<br>It's not something I'd cry about though but I'd HATE for the chibi fester to be revamped.
<br>The legs need to be made longer and that blood gotten rid of.
<br>It's not something I'd cry about though but I'd HATE for the chibi fester to be revamped.
<br>The legs need to be made longer and that blood gotten rid of.
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I am not a great fan of this revamp, but it sure is better then the old <img src=/images/smilies/6398_emoticon_grin.gif border=0>
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I think the revamp would look good, the new fester looks very nice now, you have my vote for new and improved <img src=/images/smilies/6398_emoticon_wink.gif border=0>
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I'm happy that my old drawing that hasn't represented my best work for a long time is being replaced so I don't have to look at it anymore and add to my mental list of faults it has. <img src=/images/smilies/6398_emoticon_smile.gif border=0> I'm extra-happy that this time it's being drawn by someone with an understanding of how to draw wings. <3
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<br>I'm not a big fan of the blood, as I think anyone who wants blood can fork out for a bloodred potion and everyone else should be able to avoid it if they want to.
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<br>I'm not a big fan of the blood, as I think anyone who wants blood can fork out for a bloodred potion and everyone else should be able to avoid it if they want to.
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Yemagh
wow O_O i loved that new fester! if i didnt already chosen my pets i would adopt one XD... i think the wings are PERFECT. i love birds and wings are my favorite part of them =P and people! if the new fester wins and you dont like it so much, you can still draw your pets pictures the way you like them better ^^ i for an example, like to add things and modify my pets appearance, its cool =)
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Personally, I love the blood on its talons. That's possibly my favourite thing about it. I love the smooth colouring and the malicious smirk too.
<br>I like it. I'm not going to complain about it looking too much like an eagle and not enough like a vulture because it's not meant to be a vulture. It's a -fester-, a fictional bird designed by the artists.
<br>That said, I do understand the protests from the Fester lovers. I got like that over the Montre revamp.. which I've come to love.
<br>I like it. I'm not going to complain about it looking too much like an eagle and not enough like a vulture because it's not meant to be a vulture. It's a -fester-, a fictional bird designed by the artists.
<br>That said, I do understand the protests from the Fester lovers. I got like that over the Montre revamp.. which I've come to love.
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calvinorion
I've always like the Fester but I don't own one because when there are 50 species and you are only allowed to create 10 pets some hard choices have to be made. It just isn't possible to create every species/color that you like. I'm sure other people feel the same way so I doubt a revamp will effect it's popularity no matter how much people like it. Like all revamps neither old or new is perfect, they both have elements that I like. I prefer the old Fester's ruff and hair but like everything else about the new. The shading and detail on the wings is especially nice.
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I WANT ONE!
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Julie_803
Mm .. . I kind of like the old one better, but this one's cute .. D: I agree with giving it longer legs.
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'Tis lovely, it's true. :3
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<br>I just hope that the floppy mohawk on the Graveyard Fester isn't edited out. I'll have to throw away a whole character concept if that happens.
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<br>Either way, take it easy Chicky. You can't please everyone.
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<br>I just hope that the floppy mohawk on the Graveyard Fester isn't edited out. I'll have to throw away a whole character concept if that happens.
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<br>Either way, take it easy Chicky. You can't please everyone.
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Memento_Mori
Honestly, I think it's shaded better. I do hope they don't change the Graveyard Fester though, since it's fine how it is. Other than that, it's fine with me.
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DebiLee
Maybe the artists are a bit reluctant to change things because, if they change one thing, such as the legs, and then get oh no, FLAMINGO! comments, then requests to change just this one other thing, then that thing, it would never be finished and take forever to finally be released. The artists have a tremendous workload; they really couldn't spend weeks altering and re-altering just one pet. Keith likes it, kelpie likes it, the artists like it, most of the Staff likes it (I haven't heard opinions from a few people yet), and a vast majority of the users like it... so, basicaly, why change it and what's the problem?
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tate: your art on the fester is great. It looks rather cool and everything. I personally like the revamp fester more than the old one.
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<br>I voted for the new fester because I like the way it looks.
<br>Still, I probably wouldn't adopt one. I don't like birds. :{ Gime the shivers. Yet if I got one form the zapper I'd be more inclined to keep it.
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<br>And,, upon further consideration, I think people have a point. To fester:to undergo decay. The new fester looks more like an eagle and because of that, I like it better; yet the old fester fits more with it's name.
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<br>I also like the idea of combinning the two festers and see what comes out.
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<br>I voted for the new fester because I like the way it looks.
<br>Still, I probably wouldn't adopt one. I don't like birds. :{ Gime the shivers. Yet if I got one form the zapper I'd be more inclined to keep it.
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<br>And,, upon further consideration, I think people have a point. To fester:to undergo decay. The new fester looks more like an eagle and because of that, I like it better; yet the old fester fits more with it's name.
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<br>I also like the idea of combinning the two festers and see what comes out.
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Magelet
I don't see why the fester even has to look 'Vulterish'. I mean, most all the pets on Subeta are based around an animal, but none really look exactly like the real thing.
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<br>I adore Festers myself (Tracy can vouch for that!) And I think I'd love the revamp if only the legs were longer! Yes, I know real vultures don't have long legs, but I think that's what attracted me to Festers were the gangly legs! XD
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<br>Otherwise, I like the revamp.
<br>Just not the legs. XD
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<br>I adore Festers myself (Tracy can vouch for that!) And I think I'd love the revamp if only the legs were longer! Yes, I know real vultures don't have long legs, but I think that's what attracted me to Festers were the gangly legs! XD
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<br>Otherwise, I like the revamp.
<br>Just not the legs. XD
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I'm not really offended; I expected everyone wouldn't be happy with the changes.
<br>I am a little exasperated, though. Hopefully you understand. ^__^;;
<br>I am a little exasperated, though. Hopefully you understand. ^__^;;
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I like all but the blood on the talons. I think that's pushing it. I did vote for it but I think that small alterations and perhaps the trademark lengthy legs?
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<br>I really don't know anyone /personally/ but I constantly see Artists being horribly offended (everyone has different tastes) or Users taking these pets too seriously. We all have opinions but I think we could work on giving AND recieving them.
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<br>I really don't know anyone /personally/ but I constantly see Artists being horribly offended (everyone has different tastes) or Users taking these pets too seriously. We all have opinions but I think we could work on giving AND recieving them.
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Tsume
I love you Cara. xD
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Cara
Augh, this bickering makes Cara extremely angry. Face it, guys. The Fester was due for a makeover. Only a <i>few</i> people on the site liked them and we can't just go by what those few people want. Personally, I adore the new Fester.
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Tsume
Okay I love the fester revamp, but then again that's just me.
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<br>I understand that Fester lovers want to see some changes. I mean yesh there is a difference in the new and old.... yesh this no ones opinion matters less than anyone elses. I'm aware of all that. I am NOT blind. Those the reason I like the fester is that it's not just another vulture pet.... or just another bird pet. There are too many bird pets from site to site and now the fester actually stands out (yet again this is my own personal opinion and not the fester lovers, I know.... I also know my opinion is not rule).
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<br>Though.... on the first poll of the kumos the vote the pol was much closer in vote than this one. There are 92 people *when I last checked* who voted for the old (which I understand and adore.... if they like the old... they like the old... I resent people who vote for the old who do it so to spite the artist for not wanting to change their design... yet again my own personal opinion. =/ )
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<br>Maybe we can find a middle ground on this fester, but please don't be crapping on the artist 'cause she won't change it. Let's be a little nicer about it all and go, "I'm not wild about this redraw 'cause of such and such... maybe try changing that let's see if it's a bit better possibly?"
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<br>Thank you for listening to this and if you wish to quote me do so, but i've said my pieces and am done with this convo. =/
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<br>I understand that Fester lovers want to see some changes. I mean yesh there is a difference in the new and old.... yesh this no ones opinion matters less than anyone elses. I'm aware of all that. I am NOT blind. Those the reason I like the fester is that it's not just another vulture pet.... or just another bird pet. There are too many bird pets from site to site and now the fester actually stands out (yet again this is my own personal opinion and not the fester lovers, I know.... I also know my opinion is not rule).
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<br>Though.... on the first poll of the kumos the vote the pol was much closer in vote than this one. There are 92 people *when I last checked* who voted for the old (which I understand and adore.... if they like the old... they like the old... I resent people who vote for the old who do it so to spite the artist for not wanting to change their design... yet again my own personal opinion. =/ )
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<br>Maybe we can find a middle ground on this fester, but please don't be crapping on the artist 'cause she won't change it. Let's be a little nicer about it all and go, "I'm not wild about this redraw 'cause of such and such... maybe try changing that let's see if it's a bit better possibly?"
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<br>Thank you for listening to this and if you wish to quote me do so, but i've said my pieces and am done with this convo. =/
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Historiography
The thing about the new fester is, vultures do have a slightly eaglish look to them and they don't have long legs. I personally think the new version works as a suitable middle ground since from the real life pictures I've seen of vultures they do have some slightly eagle like characteristics having been from that family of birds.
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I don't think that shooting down users because of their opinions on this revamps is very mature. There are several people on this site that own a Fester, even if it IS the least adopted pet. They just don't want to see their pet/s dramatically changed. That is understandable. Keith liking it is nice, but his opinion is not undisputable law here-- without the users, Subeta would be nothing, because nobody would come here! I don't understand the refusal to make alterations to this revamp either, being an artist myself I understand pride in one's work, but I also wouldn't want to make anyone unhappy with my work if it was on a scale like this. I think that the new Fester is VERY well done, but I have still voted for the old one out of respect to those that wish to at least keep some of the attributes of their Fester that they love so much. Sorry, that's just my honest accessment of this situation.
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Zombie, Keith is very picky XD Having him like a revamp is an honor <3 And I understand the pleasing users, but with 75% liking the revamp, I think they are pleased <img src=/images/smilies/6398_emoticon_grin.gif border=0>
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Inukawa- "And if you look closely there -Keith- likes it himself, I mean, what better endorsement for something is there, then -the- boss liking it? And you can argue that the users liking it is more important than the boss, "
<br>The point of the revamp is to make more f the -users- like the pet.
<br>The point of the revamp is to make more f the -users- like the pet.
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RenBug
Inukawa- We are merly puting what we think. were not bashing were just utting opinions and its not nice to go 'STFU" we didnt say we hated the image. i love it but its just a large jump from the old fester.
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TracyH
<b>Quote:</b><blockquote style="padding:5px; line-height:15px; background-color: #FAFFFF; border: 1px solid #000000; font-family: georgia; font-size: 10;">Posted by Hemp
<br>I like it. I'd like to see just one more version, that combined the new one and the old one..sort of a middle ground between the two.</blockquote>
<br>I like this idea. <img src=/images/smilies/6398_emoticon_grin.gif border=0> What do you say, tategami?
<br>BTW I have seen tategami's DA and she is amazing. She drew Jim You know Jim down at the Riverside Gym. Lycan and I were bragging on him the other day on MSN <img src=/images/smilies/6398_emoticon_grin.gif border=0>
<br>I like it. I'd like to see just one more version, that combined the new one and the old one..sort of a middle ground between the two.</blockquote>
<br>I like this idea. <img src=/images/smilies/6398_emoticon_grin.gif border=0> What do you say, tategami?
<br>BTW I have seen tategami's DA and she is amazing. She drew Jim You know Jim down at the Riverside Gym. Lycan and I were bragging on him the other day on MSN <img src=/images/smilies/6398_emoticon_grin.gif border=0>
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TracyH
<b>Quote:</b><blockquote style="padding:5px; line-height:15px; background-color: #FAFFFF; border: 1px solid #000000; font-family: georgia; font-size: 10;">Posted by Inukawa
<br>Wow, most of the comments you people have left are really whiny. If you don't like the new look, don't adopt the thing, I mean, it's supposedly the least liked pet on the site anyway, so just STFU and deal. And if you look closely there -Keith- likes it himself, I mean, what better endorsement for something is there, then -the- boss liking it? And you can argue that the users liking it is more important than the boss, but you know what, I have seen far too many artist kill themselves trying to make they're fanbase/users happy and not themselves/the people they actually work for. </blockquote>
<br>Some of us already own Festers and as for the artists. I don't think there is one of us who do not appreciate them. As for Keith liking them. I am happy for him but Keith also allows we users to make comments. <img src=/images/smilies/6398_emoticon_heart.gif border=0>
<br>Wow, most of the comments you people have left are really whiny. If you don't like the new look, don't adopt the thing, I mean, it's supposedly the least liked pet on the site anyway, so just STFU and deal. And if you look closely there -Keith- likes it himself, I mean, what better endorsement for something is there, then -the- boss liking it? And you can argue that the users liking it is more important than the boss, but you know what, I have seen far too many artist kill themselves trying to make they're fanbase/users happy and not themselves/the people they actually work for. </blockquote>
<br>Some of us already own Festers and as for the artists. I don't think there is one of us who do not appreciate them. As for Keith liking them. I am happy for him but Keith also allows we users to make comments. <img src=/images/smilies/6398_emoticon_heart.gif border=0>
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I like it. I'd like to see just one more version, that combined the new one and the old one..sort of a middle ground between the two.
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Wow, most of the comments you people have left are really whiny. If you don't like the new look, don't adopt the thing, I mean, it's supposedly the least liked pet on the site anyway, so just STFU and deal. And if you look closely there -Keith- likes it himself, I mean, what better endorsement for something is there, then -the- boss liking it? And you can argue that the users liking it is more important than the boss, but you know what, I have seen far too many artist kill themselves trying to make they're fanbase/users happy and not themselves/the people they actually work for.
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Oh, very lovely! ^^ I DO have to agree that longer legs would make it look a bit better/more "festerish", like everyone is squealing about, but it is still MUCHO better. *ruffles the new-fester's head crest*
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Nataku
I didn't say it doesn't look vulture-ish.... I said it doesn't look Fester-ish... your current version of the Fester looks much more like a vulture than the original version.
<br>And I think making some modifications to it would certainly appease many, and make the revamp go over better. I know the Montre was modified before it finally went through, and the Kumos has gone through how many versions before it was finally approved?
<br>Would not it be a logical idea to get the input from the majority of the users on the site who would own such a pet before changing it? It seems rather silly to me to just change a pet without getting opinions on it from the people who will be getting or have such a pet. I mean, I'm sure the artists and other staff have probably talked about this revamp already, but there are only about forty of you, surely a wider base to get opinions from could be beneficial?
<br>And yes, I know, I jabber incessantly and probably annoy alot of you... sorry...
<br>And I think making some modifications to it would certainly appease many, and make the revamp go over better. I know the Montre was modified before it finally went through, and the Kumos has gone through how many versions before it was finally approved?
<br>Would not it be a logical idea to get the input from the majority of the users on the site who would own such a pet before changing it? It seems rather silly to me to just change a pet without getting opinions on it from the people who will be getting or have such a pet. I mean, I'm sure the artists and other staff have probably talked about this revamp already, but there are only about forty of you, surely a wider base to get opinions from could be beneficial?
<br>And yes, I know, I jabber incessantly and probably annoy alot of you... sorry...
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DNA_558
My only problem with what you said, Nata, is the fact that everyone who has said "this doesn't look like a vulture!" Is arguing it based upon the -stereotypical- assumption of what a vulture should look like.
<br>I based my redesign upon a mix of the old fester, and -real, true to life vultures-.
<br>Vultures do not have long legs, and their bodies are -very- similar to those of eagles and other birds of prey. Because they -are- part of that family of birds.
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<br>And if I were to go through and change everything everyone has suggested (which I most certainly will not do, I am sorry), would it really please those who put up the complaints in the end, or would I be wasting my time?
<br>I based my redesign upon a mix of the old fester, and -real, true to life vultures-.
<br>Vultures do not have long legs, and their bodies are -very- similar to those of eagles and other birds of prey. Because they -are- part of that family of birds.
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<br>And if I were to go through and change everything everyone has suggested (which I most certainly will not do, I am sorry), would it really please those who put up the complaints in the end, or would I be wasting my time?
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I miss the old version's leg and body structure, but I do love the new version's head. Old body+new head=good for me.
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Nataku
*drags over soapbox*
<br>Personally I've only fostered Festers, but I've also drawn several (particularly Tracy's), not that my art compares to the Staff Artists, but this revamp does rather seem to change the attitude of the Fester, and as I do remember, that was what the biggest arguement over the Montre and Kumos revamps were....
<br>I would not mind this new Fester if there were a few things fixed about it....and Tategami, lemme just right now I mean no disrespect to you or your art, I think its beautiful... it just doesn't seem very... Fester-ish....
<br>Personally, I look at this and see the powerful legs of an eagle stuck on the shallow chest of a sparrow with a vulture's gangly neck and head.... *blinks* Its an odd combo, but then, I don't think that the staffers need to be experts on avian physiology....
<br>However, Subeta currently has two other short-legged bird type pets (Cybill and Mallrchy) and really, lets try for a little variety and keep a llong legged bird shall we? Otherwise they bear a little too much similarity...
<br>Hmm, you know what, I think my opinions are too long to post here, I shall make a board about this, like we did with the Montre, and get more views there.
<br>*drags soapbox over to the forums*
<br>Personally I've only fostered Festers, but I've also drawn several (particularly Tracy's), not that my art compares to the Staff Artists, but this revamp does rather seem to change the attitude of the Fester, and as I do remember, that was what the biggest arguement over the Montre and Kumos revamps were....
<br>I would not mind this new Fester if there were a few things fixed about it....and Tategami, lemme just right now I mean no disrespect to you or your art, I think its beautiful... it just doesn't seem very... Fester-ish....
<br>Personally, I look at this and see the powerful legs of an eagle stuck on the shallow chest of a sparrow with a vulture's gangly neck and head.... *blinks* Its an odd combo, but then, I don't think that the staffers need to be experts on avian physiology....
<br>However, Subeta currently has two other short-legged bird type pets (Cybill and Mallrchy) and really, lets try for a little variety and keep a llong legged bird shall we? Otherwise they bear a little too much similarity...
<br>Hmm, you know what, I think my opinions are too long to post here, I shall make a board about this, like we did with the Montre, and get more views there.
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TracyH
Tategami it has nothing at all to do with you sweety. I love the beautiful blue eyes. I just have a real close relationship with Lycan. I loved having pets she drew. She refered me to Subeta even though I think I got the referal thing wrong. As I put Tafka Lycan her DA name not just Lycan as she goes by here. That does not mean you are not a great artist too.
<br>A few suggestions *capture the attitude as Festers are supposed to be full of attitude.
<br>Longer legs as I mentioned before and would you consider the wings being more like the original.
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<br>A few suggestions *capture the attitude as Festers are supposed to be full of attitude.
<br>Longer legs as I mentioned before and would you consider the wings being more like the original.
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DNA_558
Good or bad, thanks to everyone for your input! :3
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I voted for the new version because I do like festers but the need an update so bad ;_;
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Tategami drew this, Btw. n__n
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TracyH
Plus somebody has to be the least adopted pet on the site. Don't they? *Always takes up for the underdog or bird*
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NATALiE
I voted for the old version, for several reasons... mainly, the redraw has a completely different attitude about it, and it looks very Chibi.
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<br>Really, I'm having a hard time envisioning my GY Fester looking cute. I mean. He's brooding and mean and grouchy. And thats just not what the new one looks like.
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<br>Really, I'm having a hard time envisioning my GY Fester looking cute. I mean. He's brooding and mean and grouchy. And thats just not what the new one looks like.
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TracyH
Who drew it? I am glad at least this is only just talk of a revamp not a complete removal of them. Like the poor Slushiis. I will be sad for a bit but I'll get over it. Just be patient with a Fester lover.<img src=/images/smilies/6398_emoticon_heart.gif border=0>
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RenBug
I Love the art style and shading but on behalf of the people who own it i dont think the apperance should be alterd to much just new art for it was needed.
<br>I thought festers were ment to be vultures. This looks to ezagle ish. It needs longer legs at least. But working at a zoo it would also need a longer and now as barrel like chest and less musculer and thinned out wings aswell but thouse arent as big a deal.
<br>I thought festers were ment to be vultures. This looks to ezagle ish. It needs longer legs at least. But working at a zoo it would also need a longer and now as barrel like chest and less musculer and thinned out wings aswell but thouse arent as big a deal.
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Despair
My only problems are that the legs are a bit too stubby, and as some mentioned earlier, it looks a bit too eagle-like, since Festers are generally thought of a Vulture/Buzzard-type pets.
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HollowBull
The new one bothers me for it's short legs mainly. I saw the old Fester as a mix between an ostritch and a vulture, not an eagle at all, and with a cool bad butt attitude. The new one lacks a lot of character for me. I normally do vote for the new ones, but this one I don't think was done all that well, and it's a major change compared to the old one. Most of the changes are a bit different, but this new one has different eyes, more vibrant colours compared to the more greyish colours about the old one (which I liked), and it's legs are extremely short, not to mention the personality seems to be completely changed.
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<br>I wouldn't be bothered by a revamp for the bird, cause it does seem to need one, just a revamp closer to the older one. I don't own a fester, no, but it doesn't mean I absolutely don't like the old one. One of my favorite pets is the old fester graveyard one, of which would also have a drastic change due to this more eagle, shortlegged, different fester, a change which I probably wouldn't like.
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<br>I wouldn't be bothered by a revamp for the bird, cause it does seem to need one, just a revamp closer to the older one. I don't own a fester, no, but it doesn't mean I absolutely don't like the old one. One of my favorite pets is the old fester graveyard one, of which would also have a drastic change due to this more eagle, shortlegged, different fester, a change which I probably wouldn't like.
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I lvoelovelvoevleovleoveov LOVE the new one. I just do. <333 I am in love with it and there's nothing you can do to stop me! <img src=/images/smilies/6398_emoticon_shocked.gif border=0>
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<br>Just kidding. I went all super evil villain on you. O:<
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<br>...But no seriously.
<br>I love that new one. <3 -curls up in it's feathers-
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<br>Just kidding. I went all super evil villain on you. O:<
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<br>...But no seriously.
<br>I love that new one. <3 -curls up in it's feathers-
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I voted new because this fits in better with the current style ^^. A tad eagle-like, but not much.
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I voted for the old one for various reasons that I won't name because I'm polite like that. ;-;
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<br>..And is that blood on the talons? D: Ew.
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<br>..And is that blood on the talons? D: Ew.
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TracyH
Can you at least give it longer legs. HRH trains so hard at the Gym. She wants to show off her Gams.
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Quetzal
I reminds me of an eagle too, not a fester. Must be the pose, since it doesn't look menacing. Based on these two options, I'm going to vote for old.
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TracyH
You are breaking my heart literally. What did I ever do to you? <img src=/images/smilies/6398_emoticon_broken_heart.gif border=0>
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I cannot see it O.O
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Iuno, I agree with heartvomit, I always thought of the Fester as a kind of scruffy scavenging vulture thing. I think it looks a wee bit too..majestic, you know? But that's just me :3'
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Arbor
Ahem. -prepares bomb shelter-
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<br>I, with my massive fear of birds, don't run screaming when I see this. Which is amazing. I mean, I still spazz a little because its a bird.. but it's a *good* bird. If a bird *can* be good. X"D
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<br>I, with my massive fear of birds, don't run screaming when I see this. Which is amazing. I mean, I still spazz a little because its a bird.. but it's a *good* bird. If a bird *can* be good. X"D
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I would've thought it would look better more ugly instead of eagle-like, but I voted for the new one anyway. <img src=/images/smilies/6398_emoticon_raspberry.gif border=0>
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