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The new one has the most boring pose I've ever seen in my life. :F has better shading and is better quality etc. etc. I admit, but I really wish it was doing something. Also spikes are a little more out of place than the old. Sorry for being so crtical of the new ones, but if we're going to replace, we should replace for the better.
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I think the artist did a wonderful job on this, but I still prefer the older one. ^^
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It's kinda funny how a happy little petsite has become so tyrannical in its commenting process.
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<br>To where, if you have an objective comment, you can be frozen or immediately shot down. It's sad if staff/artists can't take a little constructive critism or oppinion of others.
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<br>I myself am an artist, not that well ... but, i can take critism, i'm not going to complain and i take it into account -- i don't get all pouty or mad or whatever just because of something.
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<br>I personally like the old Telenine, but i also understand that the old artist is not coming back ... So,o i understanding the revamping process is needed, but that doesn't mean i need to shut up and take it. I should be able to complain about it, doesn't matter if it doesn't matter, i want my point to count, or at least go through.
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<br>Well. If people want to get all angry about comments, take the box away. It was put here for the reason of public thought on the situation.
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<br>"It's greedy for people to leave just because of a revamp you don't like."
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<br>...what if you spent all your time and money on that one pet? Collected everything, loved it beyond beleif, and then everything was changed on you ... wouldn't you be a little upset?
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<br>I mean. Truly. If the .. i don't know, if the Fester was changed into a terradactal ... and you hate dinosuars, wouldn't you be upset? Ya'know?
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<br>...this site is oddly communistic, in my oppinion. If no one can get their thoughts out here, being told what to think or what to feel about something, is a little harsh.
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<br>...those are just my thoughts...
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<br>To where, if you have an objective comment, you can be frozen or immediately shot down. It's sad if staff/artists can't take a little constructive critism or oppinion of others.
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<br>I myself am an artist, not that well ... but, i can take critism, i'm not going to complain and i take it into account -- i don't get all pouty or mad or whatever just because of something.
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<br>I personally like the old Telenine, but i also understand that the old artist is not coming back ... So,o i understanding the revamping process is needed, but that doesn't mean i need to shut up and take it. I should be able to complain about it, doesn't matter if it doesn't matter, i want my point to count, or at least go through.
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<br>Well. If people want to get all angry about comments, take the box away. It was put here for the reason of public thought on the situation.
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<br>"It's greedy for people to leave just because of a revamp you don't like."
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<br>...what if you spent all your time and money on that one pet? Collected everything, loved it beyond beleif, and then everything was changed on you ... wouldn't you be a little upset?
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<br>I mean. Truly. If the .. i don't know, if the Fester was changed into a terradactal ... and you hate dinosuars, wouldn't you be upset? Ya'know?
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<br>...this site is oddly communistic, in my oppinion. If no one can get their thoughts out here, being told what to think or what to feel about something, is a little harsh.
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<br>...those are just my thoughts...
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You could change half of them, and reshade the other half of the old ones. Different poses would be nice. <img src=/images/smilies/6398_emoticon_happy.gif border=0>
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Okay, I know it's been a few days since this was posted and I've been puzzling over WHY I voted for the old one instead of this. But first I want to say I don't have a telenine and I don't plan on ever having one. So maybe my crit won't matter for much. Also someone might have already pointed this out, but I don't feel like reading 300+ comments to catch up and 'I agree with [so-and-so]'
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<br>The major problem I have with the look of this pet is its legs. Now, the new design and coloring is much better than the previous version. The darker shades are appealing where as the old one was kind of bright. But, the legs here remind me of an action figure toy. The dark shade at the top of the joint makes the pet seem like it's posable. And that is what's bothering me. 6.6
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<br>And there. I've said my peace. xD *is done now*
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<br>The major problem I have with the look of this pet is its legs. Now, the new design and coloring is much better than the previous version. The darker shades are appealing where as the old one was kind of bright. But, the legs here remind me of an action figure toy. The dark shade at the top of the joint makes the pet seem like it's posable. And that is what's bothering me. 6.6
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<br>And there. I've said my peace. xD *is done now*
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I JUST notice Hanako did a lovely lil ref image; it contains everything I said in my previous post XD the back line and the legs and such
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<br>REALLY nice ref image :3 I like the fact she also pointed out the maw and the ear actually, it does look slightly better like that *noddles* ^^ anyhow, that ref imagine points out what I said.
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<br>REALLY nice ref image :3 I like the fact she also pointed out the maw and the ear actually, it does look slightly better like that *noddles* ^^ anyhow, that ref imagine points out what I said.
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Okay then - first off, I voted for 'new' however, I DO see a few flaws in the new one that made me shun away from it for hours. I took my time pondering this one as oposed to a few other revamps which I liked right on.
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<br>HOOOOOKAY!
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<br>First off, I actually like the standing up pose, however, the anatomy of the legs looks off; they are perhaps both too chuby and not angled correctly, because it make sme tilt my head trying to figure out what's going on.
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<br>Second, the line of the back makes it look too 'box' like, it should perhaps be curved down in coming out from the shoulder and then going up near the rump (Makes sense? XD unsure if it does) that would also most likely fix this whole 'spikes look off' feel
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<br>THe head looks fine to me, as does the neck and the actual chest fluff *nod nods* I hink it's just a matter of the paws and the back ^^ which can be fixed. Shading looks a biiiiiiit off near the top of the legs (where they connect to the body), it makes it look like a toy where you have the legs attactched to the body instead of them being 'part' of the body (again, make sense? ;____; <--- kinda spanish first lang, I'm not always sure if what I describe in english makes sense!)
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<br>Tail also looks really hot, I think ^^
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<br>And that's all I hafta say =D! Anyhow, as mentioned, voted new, because I think thu it has flaws, they can be fixed to make it look much nicer than the old version *Salutes!*
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<br>Here's what I think ^^ please take into account that I as an artist and in NO way insulting this telenine's art.
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<br>HOOOOOKAY!
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<br>First off, I actually like the standing up pose, however, the anatomy of the legs looks off; they are perhaps both too chuby and not angled correctly, because it make sme tilt my head trying to figure out what's going on.
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<br>Second, the line of the back makes it look too 'box' like, it should perhaps be curved down in coming out from the shoulder and then going up near the rump (Makes sense? XD unsure if it does) that would also most likely fix this whole 'spikes look off' feel
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<br>THe head looks fine to me, as does the neck and the actual chest fluff *nod nods* I hink it's just a matter of the paws and the back ^^ which can be fixed. Shading looks a biiiiiiit off near the top of the legs (where they connect to the body), it makes it look like a toy where you have the legs attactched to the body instead of them being 'part' of the body (again, make sense? ;____; <--- kinda spanish first lang, I'm not always sure if what I describe in english makes sense!)
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<br>And that's all I hafta say =D! Anyhow, as mentioned, voted new, because I think thu it has flaws, they can be fixed to make it look much nicer than the old version *Salutes!*
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Wow.
<br>This is 958209842 times better than the old one. The old one was decent.. But, I hated it, really. xD;
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<br>This one is shiny. And the color is way better. And the details are awesome. And it actually looks like an animal, not a scribble.
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<br>Awesome. Whoever drew this is the best. <33
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<br>This is 958209842 times better than the old one. The old one was decent.. But, I hated it, really. xD;
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<br>This one is shiny. And the color is way better. And the details are awesome. And it actually looks like an animal, not a scribble.
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<br>Awesome. Whoever drew this is the best. <33
<br>-Wants a Telenine, now-
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<b>Quote:</b><blockquote style="padding:5px; line-height:15px; background-color: #FAFFFF; border: 1px solid #000000; font-family: georgia; font-size: 10;"> Well, how about this.
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<br>Next pet revamp, will automatically go through. No poll, no news comments, etc. </blockquote>
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<br>Andi already knows my vote for that one >=|
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<br>-feels assamed to be a user after this page- If you don't like it and it goes through, boo-hoo. Get a new pet.
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<br>Next pet revamp, will automatically go through. No poll, no news comments, etc. </blockquote>
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<br>Andi already knows my vote for that one >=|
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<br>-feels assamed to be a user after this page- If you don't like it and it goes through, boo-hoo. Get a new pet.
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I love the revamp for this! Very nice shading etc. It would be interesting to see how the artists would color such a detailed pet <img src=/images/smilies/6398_emoticon_smile.gif border=0>
<br>Very nice!
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<br>BTW- When will the other revamps start going through? Iv been waiting for the Fester's poll to come through for ages. When should we expect the Fester and the other the newly revamped pet polls be coming out?
<br>Very nice!
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<br>BTW- When will the other revamps start going through? Iv been waiting for the Fester's poll to come through for ages. When should we expect the Fester and the other the newly revamped pet polls be coming out?
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I lovelolvelvleovolelve this revamp. omgk. <333333
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I like the old one better, it just looks better and it's a better blue.
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Wow... 200 and something comments on a newspost? I'm impressed.
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<br>I won't state my full opinion because people would smash me, yes. But it's fun to read all this. I don't know why, but it makes me happy inside. <3
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<br>I won't state my full opinion because people would smash me, yes. But it's fun to read all this. I don't know why, but it makes me happy inside. <3
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Well said, Key.
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<br>Oh, and Keith, not to sound like a suck-up, but I do agree with you in that manner. A neutral expression would give owners of the pet less of a chance to I guess you could call it "stereotype" their pet. Or something like that. : p
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<br>Oh, and Keith, not to sound like a suck-up, but I do agree with you in that manner. A neutral expression would give owners of the pet less of a chance to I guess you could call it "stereotype" their pet. Or something like that. : p
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Personally, I think they both look great, the old and the new.
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<br>You people need to learn the difference between "critique" and "harrass".
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<br>I'll be happy with whichever style is chosen.
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<b>Quote:</b><blockquote style="padding:5px; line-height:15px; background-color: #FAFFFF; border: 1px solid #000000; font-family: georgia; font-size: 10;">It makes me laugh how such a small minority of users can dictate what a whole site wants.</blockquote>
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<br>If by the minority, you mean the <b>staff</b> then yes, we get to dictate what the whole site wants. Thats our <b>job</b>. If we allowed everything to be brought up with the users there wouldn't be any time to do anything else. We'd be polling the TABLE CHANGES IN USHOP.PHP for days.
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<br>#1 - These artists are no longer on subeta. Lycan most likely wont be returning ot subeta staff. So what does that mean? It means almost any other telenine isn't going to look exactly like this one, becasue <b>lycan</b> isn't doing it. And,god forbid we release something that doesn't look like a telenine.
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<br>#2 - We are trying to get rid of the pets with huge smirks, or extremely happy/sad posture, etc. So that people get the pet and make their <b>own</b> personalitys, instead of it automatically having to be happy.
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<br>If by the minority, you mean the <b>staff</b> then yes, we get to dictate what the whole site wants. Thats our <b>job</b>. If we allowed everything to be brought up with the users there wouldn't be any time to do anything else. We'd be polling the TABLE CHANGES IN USHOP.PHP for days.
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<br>There are, of course, other reasons for most of these revamps.
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<br>#1 - These artists are no longer on subeta. Lycan most likely wont be returning ot subeta staff. So what does that mean? It means almost any other telenine isn't going to look exactly like this one, becasue <b>lycan</b> isn't doing it. And,god forbid we release something that doesn't look like a telenine.
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<br>#2 - We are trying to get rid of the pets with huge smirks, or extremely happy/sad posture, etc. So that people get the pet and make their <b>own</b> personalitys, instead of it automatically having to be happy.
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All criticisms have been noted down and taken into account and are currently being worked on. We <b>are</b> doing the best we can.
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): I hate to say it but I don't like this revamp, I love the artist but for some reason I just don't like what's been done to the Teleie. ):
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<br>I got my Teleie because of that smirk, and actually it was the telenine that I first saw that made me want to join subeta so bad.
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<br>This new telenine looks ..... I don't know kind of short and stocky >_x; it is cute but.. just not what I'd want ):
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<br>I got my Teleie because of that smirk, and actually it was the telenine that I first saw that made me want to join subeta so bad.
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<br>This new telenine looks ..... I don't know kind of short and stocky >_x; it is cute but.. just not what I'd want ):
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<b>Quote:</b><blockquote style="padding:5px; line-height:15px; background-color: #FAFFFF; border: 1px solid #000000; font-family: georgia; font-size: 10;"> For the record, Telenines are 34/51 pets in popularity. This could be because they're limited edition as well (and I'm not sure if the count includes elixired telenines), but even with elixirs out there, they aren't as popular as you might think.
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<br><i>Could</i> be? Only a could, then? Telenines are limited edition and <i>expensive</i> to get. Revamping them because of their ‘lack of popularity’ is more then a little idiotic, in my opinion. They are quite popular pets and many people want them, but I don’t think every one on the site can afford to get one to vouch for it. There might be elixirs but you seem to forget that not every one can restock well or afford them.
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<br>I think you just reeled off a completely pointless ‘fact’ to try and put something behind this revamp.
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<br>Not everything is about <i>consistency</i> and <i>'style’</i>. What gets me is that for people who are meant to know what users want, you’re all so detached from how a large amount of us feel it’s frightening.
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<br>The reason I wanted a Telenine in the first place was because of the devilish smirk and the way they came across. But now, for the sake of this ‘style’ the site has I’m going to loose that. Brilliant.
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<br>I’ve disliked a lot of the current revamps. Not disliked, even, some times more then that.
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<br>They might be the same pet but they don’t have the same feeling to them.
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<br><b>Quote:</b><blockquote style="padding:5px; line-height:15px; background-color: #FAFFFF; border: 1px solid #000000; font-family: georgia; font-size: 10;"> The artistic staff and myself have had this discussion before with other pets and came to the conclusion that Subeta would much rather pets have a fairly blank expression (such as the feli and pherret) so that the user can give it any personality they wish, instead of the telenine's smirk and old torrent's googly eyes that basically dictate a personality for you.</blockquote>
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<br>It makes me laugh how such a small minority of users can dictate what a whole site wants.
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<br>Again, this was done because it was asked for, believe it or don't. </blockquote>
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<br><i>Could</i> be? Only a could, then? Telenines are limited edition and <i>expensive</i> to get. Revamping them because of their ‘lack of popularity’ is more then a little idiotic, in my opinion. They are quite popular pets and many people want them, but I don’t think every one on the site can afford to get one to vouch for it. There might be elixirs but you seem to forget that not every one can restock well or afford them.
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<br>I think you just reeled off a completely pointless ‘fact’ to try and put something behind this revamp.
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<br>Not everything is about <i>consistency</i> and <i>'style’</i>. What gets me is that for people who are meant to know what users want, you’re all so detached from how a large amount of us feel it’s frightening.
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<br>The reason I wanted a Telenine in the first place was because of the devilish smirk and the way they came across. But now, for the sake of this ‘style’ the site has I’m going to loose that. Brilliant.
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<br>They might be the same pet but they don’t have the same feeling to them.
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XD Wow, so many people aren't fond of this, but come on people. I think you've made your point. Think about the poor artist's feelings reading over this many posts saying "I don't like it. This and this and this is wrong with it". Jeezu. <img src=/images/smilies/6398_emoticon_dead.gif border=0>
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<br>Looking back at it, yeah, could tune up the anatomy, but I really think it fits more into the fold of Subeta overall now. It looked too cartoony before (no offense to the former artist). Reminded me too much of the blah artwork at other pet sites. So yeah... If the anatomy is worked on, I think it would turn out rather nicely.
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<br>Looking back at it, yeah, could tune up the anatomy, but I really think it fits more into the fold of Subeta overall now. It looked too cartoony before (no offense to the former artist). Reminded me too much of the blah artwork at other pet sites. So yeah... If the anatomy is worked on, I think it would turn out rather nicely.
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I don't see what all the fuss is over. The artists just made it a little more detailed and gave it a better pose.
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<br>In my opinion, I love it. I only wish, though, that te plates upon his spine were a little bigger. I think Debonaire woudl be proud to be revamped to this. =D
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<br>In my opinion, I love it. I only wish, though, that te plates upon his spine were a little bigger. I think Debonaire woudl be proud to be revamped to this. =D
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Burzum
I actually like this! I don't know why people are making such a huge deal. It looks awesome...
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<b>Quote:</b><blockquote style="padding:5px; line-height:15px; background-color: #FAFFFF; border: 1px solid #000000; font-family: georgia; font-size: 10;">For the record, Telenines are 34/51 pets in popularity. This could be because they're limited edition as well (and I'm not sure if the count includes elixired telenines), but even with elixirs out there, they aren't as popular as you might think.
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<br>I think that the Telenine Elixirs are pretty expensive could be the reason.
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<br>I think that the Telenine Elixirs are pretty expensive could be the reason.
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Okay the fact people leave over a revamp is kinda sad. Just save the image and put it on the pets lookups. its hurtfull how some people say if this happes thell quit. In my opinion thats a rather mean thing to say and makes the artists feel like there work is horrid when it isnt.
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<br>Its a vote. The staff want to make the magority happy , and nomater what not everyone can be happy. sometimes its best to take good with the bad and not just focus on the bad. It seems the bad is all must sositys seem to focus on now a days *Frown*
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I still prefer the old one over all, but Hanako that red line was a nice improvement.
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<br>If it's being drawn again/touched up, does that mean this vote is scrapped and there will be a new one (with chances to re-critique it), or does the touch-up just get put into place based on this vote? That's the only thing that worries me...
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Darn didn't show up..
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<br>guess will have to copy link and paste..Sorry bout that.
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I hope I don't get in trouble for this but I tried the smile on the new one.
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<br>I think looks good but that's just my opinion.
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Teddy, construcive critisism is alright but some of the things people say would really hurt me if they were talking about my stuff
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Serialbiter I agree with you to some extend. I do however agree with some of the comments about the anatomical problems.
<br>I think everyone has a right to give critisism about this. I think Tsume has done some really good work for this site, but I just don't like this revamp.
<br>I myself really like the old one, especially the chibi one -pets Rude-. I really would hate to see that one changed. That is why I voted for the old one.
<br>I think everyone has a right to give critisism about this. I think Tsume has done some really good work for this site, but I just don't like this revamp.
<br>I myself really like the old one, especially the chibi one -pets Rude-. I really would hate to see that one changed. That is why I voted for the old one.
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I love both.. but ..honestly; I love it the way it is. The new one is beautifully drawn but the old one has more personality.
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Midna
It's beautiful! Amazing! Magnificent! I love the teeth! The shading is marvellous! LOOKIT! I LOVE the furry tail!
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Tea
I particularly don't care for the revamp myself, but it appears to be winning the polls so can't complain. I prefer the older one's sloppy happy doggishness and expression to the wolfish looking new one, and hats off to the artist who drew them both. <img src=/images/smilies/6398_emoticon_smile.gif border=0> I like the newer one's shading, but will miss the expression on the older one. I think I will be a bit upset, however if the bloodred one is altered (much), however I think the shading would add a nice touch.
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Wow...I'm quote shocked on the amount of unfair critisizums(sp ^^')on this. Tsume works hard on their pictures, if you don't like it then don't vote for it. Don't post horrid comments about whats wrong with it etc, you wouldn't like something you qorked hard on getting flamed so badly
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Rapytur, people ARE giving Tsume lots of input. Post after post of it, in fact, and it's not all negative.
<br>Though I agree that leaving over a revamp would be a bit silly... o_O;
<br>Though I agree that leaving over a revamp would be a bit silly... o_O;
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Well, how about this.
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<br>No Keith, not really. Apologies for not knowing how to quote. Polls, news comments, all good. But leaving what has turned into petty fighting between staff, users, and users and staff, makes the site look very split.
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<br>Next pet revamp, will automatically go through. No poll, no news comments, etc.
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<br>Would you prefer that?
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<br>No Keith, not really. Apologies for not knowing how to quote. Polls, news comments, all good. But leaving what has turned into petty fighting between staff, users, and users and staff, makes the site look very split.
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<b>Quote:</b><blockquote style="padding:5px; line-height:15px; background-color: #FAFFFF; border: 1px solid #000000; font-family: georgia; font-size: 10;">I wouldn't be surprised if the antlephore was revamped.</blockquote>
<br>*sobs loudly and pathetically and clings to Keikei* Nooooo D= I have the image of the antlephore BOOKMARKED because it's so awesome <3! When I first saw it, I like, spazzed. It was kind of scary. I just love how the antlephore is like "o___o" and that's the expression I overuse most on AIM.
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<br>Bah. I'll save the rest of my blabbering for when it's actually revamped XD
<br>*sobs loudly and pathetically and clings to Keikei* Nooooo D= I have the image of the antlephore BOOKMARKED because it's so awesome <3! When I first saw it, I like, spazzed. It was kind of scary. I just love how the antlephore is like "o___o" and that's the expression I overuse most on AIM.
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<br>Bah. I'll save the rest of my blabbering for when it's actually revamped XD
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-pats keith a bit- I'm sorry all this crud is happeneing, a ton of people being jerks to the artist and staff... mabye there should be no comments on the revamp news anymore if people can't keep from being obnoxious....
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awwwwwwwwwwwwww!cute doggy!(wht ever it is!)
<br>thnks fr nothin!
<br>kittycat12xxx
<br>thnks fr nothin!
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Well, how about this.
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<br>Next pet revamp, will automatically go through. No poll, no news comments, etc.
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<br>Would you prefer that?
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<br>Next pet revamp, will automatically go through. No poll, no news comments, etc.
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<br>Would you prefer that?
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I am sorry but I have to say this.
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<br>As a fairly new user... you do realise how it puts new users off sticking with sites that have full blown slanging matches in full public view? The staff and artists tearing apart users and visa-versa?
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<br>I know this is a petsite, but I think some users/staff (no names on no sides of this, just a general view) need to really grow up. You are pushing members away with this.
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<br>As for the art, the anatomical problems I agree with, they are being fixed, I look forward to seeing what is next put forward.
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<br>As a fairly new user... you do realise how it puts new users off sticking with sites that have full blown slanging matches in full public view? The staff and artists tearing apart users and visa-versa?
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<br>I know this is a petsite, but I think some users/staff (no names on no sides of this, just a general view) need to really grow up. You are pushing members away with this.
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<br>As for the art, the anatomical problems I agree with, they are being fixed, I look forward to seeing what is next put forward.
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The whole ---- owners only vote is stupid xDD Why should I not get to vote cause I don't own one. I may get one in the future, or I may thank that it looks good/doesn't look good. Next election, lets make it "only poloticans do popular vote. People who aren't in the government should have no say at all" So xP. Beyond that, it looks too realish...almost like fan art more than a pet on a pet site. Nice work, but I think the old one belongs here more.
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*agrees* I like them both!
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About the Atlephore. I like it's cute face to bits.
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<br>I also think no sp should be given out. Some people vote for anything, just to get the sp, when they don't care for the revamped pet.
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<br>ANd Hanako, your corrections make a great improvement on the telenine. The revamp version seems to have eigher a) the legs bellow the backbone or b) the legs seem glued on the body.
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<br>I also think no sp should be given out. Some people vote for anything, just to get the sp, when they don't care for the revamped pet.
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<br>ANd Hanako, your corrections make a great improvement on the telenine. The revamp version seems to have eigher a) the legs bellow the backbone or b) the legs seem glued on the body.
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revamps wouldnt be that bad if they just tweaked it a little bit, in the torrent, it looked all happy and smiley (which is good in my opinion <img src=/images/smilies/6398_emoticon_smile.gif border=0>) and its turned into a monster, like something halfway through drinking a hydrus poiton, and this, its taken a whole new makeover, its facing a different way, it looks more realistic, and it dosent look like it belongs on a pet site, it looks like it belongs in real life, and thats bad <img src=/images/smilies/6398_emoticon_sad.gif border=0> if the old version dosent make a comeback and wins ill be devastaded
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im on the berge of being frozen here, but at least i made my say <img src=/images/smilies/6398_emoticon_smile.gif border=0>
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the torrents lost the poll <img src=/images/smilies/6398_emoticon_sad.gif border=0> im really sad all my fave pets hav been revamped, if people dont like them, they will avoid them, making pets less popular, some people may even quit subeta making things a lot worse, i gotta admit this, i absolutely hate revamps do a ghostly one and ill be quit happy tho <img src=/images/smilies/6398_emoticon_smile.gif border=0> but dont do a harvester revamp, and i like my keeto, revamp that and ill quit
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kelpies doing well to keep back the riots <img src=/images/smilies/6398_emoticon_smile.gif border=0> although im still pretty annoyed everyone is voting new...dont b scared ppl! if you wanna vote old! vote old! dont be scared about what will happen!
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if this carrys in ill quit subeta, the pets were fine b4, and I agree with NoirRaven, then i could have all the pets that havent been revampd <img src=/images/smilies/6398_emoticon_grin.gif border=0> and its got too much shading, its taking away the classic look of all pets on subeta, but wheather i like it or not, ill b extremely sad if the keeto has a revamp <img src=/images/smilies/6398_emoticon_sad.gif border=0>
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I find this pretty sad personally. People are quitting and stuff over a revamp.
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<br>Now, I don't know about anyone else, but if someone left just because I drew something (to make it better), I'd be pretty down on my art.
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<br>Why is there even drama over this? The revamp is NOT that bad at all. I'm sure she would of drawn it sitting down if people GAVE her the input to do so. But no. People just say rude things about it after it's done.
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<br>Why didn't anyone post about this in the forums? Like "If the telenine is revamped, can we have it kinda like the old one still".
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<br>I'm sorry but I find this all very sad. Very.
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<br>Now, I don't know about anyone else, but if someone left just because I drew something (to make it better), I'd be pretty down on my art.
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<br>Why is there even drama over this? The revamp is NOT that bad at all. I'm sure she would of drawn it sitting down if people GAVE her the input to do so. But no. People just say rude things about it after it's done.
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<br>Why didn't anyone post about this in the forums? Like "If the telenine is revamped, can we have it kinda like the old one still".
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<br>I'm sorry but I find this all very sad. Very.
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Even though there are a few errors with this revamp right now, I'm not worried about it... changes are being made, after all.
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<br>Not only that, but more than any other artist on this site, Tsume is VERY dedicated to the Telenine species... her love for them is clearly obvious. If she can improve the redraw I'm confident that she definately will. ^^
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<br>Not only that, but more than any other artist on this site, Tsume is VERY dedicated to the Telenine species... her love for them is clearly obvious. If she can improve the redraw I'm confident that she definately will. ^^
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I own a telinine (And used alot of money to make him such) and though I love both I chose new because I like the fact it was shaded. and the head was a more apropreate size for the body or so it seemed for me.
<br>But seriously other sites dont even vote they just change it. Im just glad we all have a say you cant make everyone happy but you can make a majority happy.
<br>If you like the old so much save it to your comp and upload it and then put it on your pets page from photobucket or something. If you like the new one and its not chosen you can do the same.
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<br> I happen to think both are amazing in art quality. and hope soon enough everyone will just be happy with what theyhave. <img src=/images/smilies/6398_emoticon_happy.gif border=0>
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<br>Sorry is i sound preachy or something its just my view on things.
<br>But seriously other sites dont even vote they just change it. Im just glad we all have a say you cant make everyone happy but you can make a majority happy.
<br>If you like the old so much save it to your comp and upload it and then put it on your pets page from photobucket or something. If you like the new one and its not chosen you can do the same.
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<br>Sorry is i sound preachy or something its just my view on things.
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I think that's due to the fact that they're limited edition, and the elixirs are in short supply. Just looking at the comments on this page tells me that they're pretty popular.
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<br>And I do beleive you that some people asked for it, though I can't imagine why.
<br>Anyway, this is a nice peice of art. And I think if it was tweaked enough (hopefully adding in that smirk that it seems like so many people love) this could be a fantastic revamp.
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<br>And I do beleive you that some people asked for it, though I can't imagine why.
<br>Anyway, this is a nice peice of art. And I think if it was tweaked enough (hopefully adding in that smirk that it seems like so many people love) this could be a fantastic revamp.
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For the record, Telenines are 34/51 pets in popularity. This could be because they're limited edition as well (and I'm not sure if the count includes elixired telenines), but even with elixirs out there, they aren't as popular as you might think.
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<br>Again, this was done because it was asked for, believe it or don't. <img src=/images/smilies/6398_emoticon_happy.gif border=0>
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<br>Again, this was done because it was asked for, believe it or don't. <img src=/images/smilies/6398_emoticon_happy.gif border=0>
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I agree with Fred. Making such a drastic change to such a popular pet was inviting chaos. x__o
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<br>After reading most of these comments, I have to say I'm more firmly opposed to the new one now. It's nice enough, but the old one is just too precious. By making this pet more 'subeta-style', you have effectively sucked the personality and soul out of it. Consistancy is all well and good, but I think sometimes people can take it a little too far.
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<br>Anyway, I've said what I needed to say.
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<br>After reading most of these comments, I have to say I'm more firmly opposed to the new one now. It's nice enough, but the old one is just too precious. By making this pet more 'subeta-style', you have effectively sucked the personality and soul out of it. Consistancy is all well and good, but I think sometimes people can take it a little too far.
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<br>Anyway, I've said what I needed to say.
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Woah people this is rather intense. I like the fact its alowed to be Voted on so people actualy have a say.
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<br>And most of you should know that when a pet is redrawn the versions of it that used another pose will stay. i had a chibi darko before the revamp and it stayed exactly the same. just as the spectrum telinine will probly stay the same along with the chibi.
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<br>And most of you should know that when a pet is redrawn the versions of it that used another pose will stay. i had a chibi darko before the revamp and it stayed exactly the same. just as the spectrum telinine will probly stay the same along with the chibi.
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The one thing that most worried me is wrong. Lycan's Fellings are not hurt and she recognises that Subeta's style is changing.
<br>We all should be worried that Tsume's feelings may be hurt.
<br>Now Tsumey if you read this sweety.
<br>Just take the positive ideas and ignore anything that hurts you sweety because you are indeed an excellent artist.
<br>I love all you guys and I am just saddened that there is a rift.
<br>I mean the pets are gonna be cool no matter who draws them.
<br>There is no Subeta Pet that is not cool.
<br>*Hugs everyone in the thread*
<br>Peace On Subeta. Good will towards Subetans
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<br>We all should be worried that Tsume's feelings may be hurt.
<br>Now Tsumey if you read this sweety.
<br>Just take the positive ideas and ignore anything that hurts you sweety because you are indeed an excellent artist.
<br>I love all you guys and I am just saddened that there is a rift.
<br>I mean the pets are gonna be cool no matter who draws them.
<br>There is no Subeta Pet that is not cool.
<br>*Hugs everyone in the thread*
<br>Peace On Subeta. Good will towards Subetans
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We've already said multiple times that all constructive critism has been considered, and there are changes being made to the telenine as we speak.
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Telenines are about the most popular pets, I don't think it's wise to make a big diffrence to them. Tweak up the old's colouring and everyone will be happy :p
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Yeah, you're right Lazy... <img src=/images/smilies/6398_emoticon_happy_sweatdrop.gif border=0>
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I'd like to applaud some admins on their patience as well, and thank kelpie for ending the argument and handling it maturely. < 3
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Ah, sorry. /: I posted some of that just as you ended your little brawl. My apologies.
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Hm, this is one of the most dramatic revamp comment places I've ever seen. o__o
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<br>I'd like to say that I'm a bit offended. You keep saying how everybody isn't using constructive criticism, when I worked on mine for a while as many others did as well. And one person does, and you're congratulating them. /: Perhaps I just didn't read posts right, but I wanted to get this out into the open?
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<br>Second of all, it really seems as though it's now turned into a battle between some admins and users instead of a place to state your opinions on the telenine, and almost makes the whole situation worse, and takes away from the constructive criticism everybody has provided; and nobody is focusing as much on the comments now, except for the artist, because there's a whole large argument. Maybe it'd be better to take it to a more personal place..?
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<br>I don't mean to be a stickler, and I'm so sorry for being such a brat.. I just have a lot of opinions I like to share. I'll try to keep them to a minimum.
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<br>I'd like to say that I'm a bit offended. You keep saying how everybody isn't using constructive criticism, when I worked on mine for a while as many others did as well. And one person does, and you're congratulating them. /: Perhaps I just didn't read posts right, but I wanted to get this out into the open?
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<br>Second of all, it really seems as though it's now turned into a battle between some admins and users instead of a place to state your opinions on the telenine, and almost makes the whole situation worse, and takes away from the constructive criticism everybody has provided; and nobody is focusing as much on the comments now, except for the artist, because there's a whole large argument. Maybe it'd be better to take it to a more personal place..?
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<br>I don't mean to be a stickler, and I'm so sorry for being such a brat.. I just have a lot of opinions I like to share. I'll try to keep them to a minimum.
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And I'm being sincere about the Kelpie/Tsume thing. Really.
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Well, apparently my account might be permanantly completely and forever deleted for what I've said in my comments...and I don't care enough about the telenine for that...or if spectrum pets are happy...so yeah, I give up...I wont comment on art anymore...unless to spazzy rave over how wonderful it is...or something.
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<br>Kelpie has improved the art quality here
<br>Tsume is a great artist
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<br>...and it wont cost me much to elixir my telenines into something else.
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<br>Kelpie has improved the art quality here
<br>Tsume is a great artist
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<br>...and it wont cost me much to elixir my telenines into something else.
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Fair enough kelpie...it has strayed from the topic.
<br>I look forward to this being re-revamped.
<br>I look forward to this being re-revamped.
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Dickie, I'm not going to debate that with you. It has nothing to do with the telenine at hand. I've said what I needed to say to explain this revamp, and that's all. <i>Punto final.</i>
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Not that the character of Kelpie's person or the qualiy of her ability as Art Diector has even the slightest baring whatsoever on this news post, but may I add that in the recent months, the revamps that have been proposed have added a life and realism to the pets that seems, in my humble opinion, only to improve the quality of the site. Yes, it is sad to see the art that I originally loved when I joined slowly being redone, but all things in life change over time. Often things change for the better. Still, how many sites out there with Subeta's size listen to their users as much as the staff here do? How many sites give their users a voice on revamps? (And this is a rhetorical question.)
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<br>Also, it is possible to give critisism and keep it constructive. I think what is being called for, however, is a modocum of tact. These artists, who frankly probably had more artistic ability when they were 5 then I do now at 24, have put their own time and efforts into making this site the best it can be. While I am a fan of cartoons and cartoony art (like the old Torrent), I understand the need for Subeta's style to change into something more geared towards the over-13 audience. (Not to say that we adults don't watch cartoons, for I know that I do quite often.)
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<br>I think that we should be just a tad more tactful here. Put yourself in the artists shoes and take the time to tactfully tell *what* needs improved specifically so that improvements can made.
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<br>Also, it is possible to give critisism and keep it constructive. I think what is being called for, however, is a modocum of tact. These artists, who frankly probably had more artistic ability when they were 5 then I do now at 24, have put their own time and efforts into making this site the best it can be. While I am a fan of cartoons and cartoony art (like the old Torrent), I understand the need for Subeta's style to change into something more geared towards the over-13 audience. (Not to say that we adults don't watch cartoons, for I know that I do quite often.)
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<br>I think that we should be just a tad more tactful here. Put yourself in the artists shoes and take the time to tactfully tell *what* needs improved specifically so that improvements can made.
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Oh, and I still think it's completely unnecessary to make spectrum overtly happy...what is really the point in it? It only makes less people want to get the colour because it's automatically excluding all the non-happy personalitied pets :/
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And maybe the definition of a telenine as opposed to a generic lycanthrope is it's smirk and attitude?
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Lol, I'm hardly going to bother responding to your comment Abbie because you're just defending your little clique and obviously don't want kelpie to start being harsher...
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That's the definition of the color, Dickie, much like Hydrus pets are angry, bloodred pets are evil, and darkmatter pets are blank. Do not twist my words here.
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Dickie. Stop getting off the subject. This is a news post about the telenine and not a place to openly bash someone who has only been good to us.
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<br>And just for the darn record, Kelpie has been a fantastic art director who gives harsh criticisms where necessary and culls what needs to be culled. Stop making unfounded judgements because they are just freakin' unneccessary and plain nasty.
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<br>And just for the darn record, Kelpie has been a fantastic art director who gives harsh criticisms where necessary and culls what needs to be culled. Stop making unfounded judgements because they are just freakin' unneccessary and plain nasty.
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I have no problem admitting that Lycan's art doesn't draw me, but saying that I outright hate it is a lie and paints a far uglier picture than is necessary.
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<br>Oh, and I'm a let down now? Funny how you were just saying recently that you've noticed the amount of complaints had gone down since my hiring.
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<br>And just because I've become friends with the artists doesn't mean I don't give them the crits they deserve. It means I have a harder time doing it, but I do it. You can ask any one of them. I still nitpick every bit as much as before. It is just a trend now that the users nitpick every bit as much as I used to in the news, and that's fine. Like I said, the poll welcomes your opinions and we'll make the needed changes. Four eyes are better than two and so forth.
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<br>What I don't appreciate is Subeta thinking, fueled much by you, thank you very much, that I'm carrying out my own agenda here. If Keith at any time disagreed with any of these proposed revamps, I guarantee they'd be stopped. I'm purely doing what I was hired to do.
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<br>Oh, and I'm a let down now? Funny how you were just saying recently that you've noticed the amount of complaints had gone down since my hiring.
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<br>And just because I've become friends with the artists doesn't mean I don't give them the crits they deserve. It means I have a harder time doing it, but I do it. You can ask any one of them. I still nitpick every bit as much as before. It is just a trend now that the users nitpick every bit as much as I used to in the news, and that's fine. Like I said, the poll welcomes your opinions and we'll make the needed changes. Four eyes are better than two and so forth.
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<br>What I don't appreciate is Subeta thinking, fueled much by you, thank you very much, that I'm carrying out my own agenda here. If Keith at any time disagreed with any of these proposed revamps, I guarantee they'd be stopped. I'm purely doing what I was hired to do.
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Oh, and during the spectrum feli debate you said spectrum pets should be happy and have a happy personality in their art...and I objected and said that just because people want a brightly coloured pet doesn't mean they want their pet to look exstatically happy.
<br>Now you've changed your mind...?
<br>Now you've changed your mind...?
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First of all, let me add my two cents to the "owners only votes" as opposed to the current "vote for alls". I can understand how the owners feel. If someone revamped my lovely Hikei, I'd probably be opposed, at least at first, just because of how fond I am of it. On the other hand, I can understand that there might be users out there who do not like the look of a current pet, and therefore do not have one because of their feelings about the look. Should those people be denied a vote simply because they do not like the current look/pose of the species? Should the people crying "Don't change my pet!" be allowed more say than those crying "I don't like the current look. Please change it so I feel like getting one!", especially if the latter happen to be in the majority? (Not that I'm saying this is the case here. I have no idea how many voted on whim and how many feel strongly about their vote.)
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<br>On to the Telenine redraw. Not to disagree with the majority here, but I do like the revamp. Now, I'm not an artist myself. But the new one just looks more like something I could imagine walking down the streets of Centropolis and bumping into. That being said, I agree that some minor improvements might make it an even more beautiful drawing.
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<br>It looks just a tad bit dark. And Hanako's improvements are very nice, in my opinion, especially the eyes and slight change to the face.
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<br>Aside from those minor improvements, I just love the revamp. The old one is cute, but the new one is more realistic and cures the one thing I always thought was a little odd about the Telenine, the red behind the eyes.
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<br>On to the Telenine redraw. Not to disagree with the majority here, but I do like the revamp. Now, I'm not an artist myself. But the new one just looks more like something I could imagine walking down the streets of Centropolis and bumping into. That being said, I agree that some minor improvements might make it an even more beautiful drawing.
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<br>It looks just a tad bit dark. And Hanako's improvements are very nice, in my opinion, especially the eyes and slight change to the face.
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<br>Aside from those minor improvements, I just love the revamp. The old one is cute, but the new one is more realistic and cures the one thing I always thought was a little odd about the Telenine, the red behind the eyes.
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Kelpie, I'm not bashing your character...I'm simply repeating what you said...and you told me that you disliked her art...if you didn't want people to know you thought that then you shouldn't have said it.
<br>But...to be honest...you've been a real let down as artist director. You even admitted yourself now that you've become friends with the artists you find it hard to give the harsg crits that are needed...but if you DID then maybe artists wouldn't be subjected to the onslaught of criticism from the users?
<br>But...to be honest...you've been a real let down as artist director. You even admitted yourself now that you've become friends with the artists you find it hard to give the harsg crits that are needed...but if you DID then maybe artists wouldn't be subjected to the onslaught of criticism from the users?
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Okay, first and foremost, your opinions are appreciated and <b>the telenine is being tweaked</b>. So, rest easy. If your criticism has been said, don't worry about resaying it. It's a little overwhelming both to myself and to the artist. It will be fixed.
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<br>Secondly, I'd like to address why this is being revamped in the first place. I honestly did not want to touch it initially. However, I have been asked by users and staff members alike for a telenine revamp. So, it was attempted once, and rejected. It was attempted yet again, and rejected. This third attempt, MONTHS LATER, was viewed by us for months as well, tweaked and retweaked to make it more subeta's style. That's right. USERS ASKED FOR THIS. So, before accusations start flying that I'm trying erradicate all of Lycan's art, maybe you guys should know that I'm just doing what I've been asked to do. By you.
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<br>As for Lycan's art, which Dickie so considerately threw me under the bus and said I hated, let me clear up that I do not. I was told that if revamps were to happen, to probably start at the bottom of the popularity list. So, there came the festers. It's an unlimited edition pet and really the pets at the bottom of our list should be the limited edition ones. We figured they were largely unpopular due to some lack of appeal in the design and thus changed them rather drastically to make them more appealing. Likewise also with the Bovyne, another fairly upopular pet. The fact that these were both drawn by Lycan is purely coincedence. I have nothing against her personally, nor her art. If her art were more popular on the site, regardless of whether or not I personally liked it, I would leave it untouched. I admit, I am not drawn to her style, but I'm not revamping pets purely because I feel like it. As for now, no plans are made to touch the antlephores unless they are done either by her, or under her close supervision.
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<br>Now, a lot of people are complaining about the lack of smirk on the new telenine. I can say with certainty there is a reason for the disappearance of the smirk. The artistic staff and myself have had this discussion before with other pets and came to the conclusion that Subeta would much rather pets have a fairly blank expression (such as the feli and pherret) so that the user can give it any personality they wish, instead of the telenine's smirk and old torrent's googly eyes that basically dictate a personality for you. This makes it more pleasing to the masses. Your pet can still be a smart aleck telenine should you choose. That doesn't mean everyone else wants that.
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<br><b>Quote:</b><blockquote style="padding:5px; line-height:15px; background-color: #FAFFFF; border: 1px solid #000000; font-family: georgia; font-size: 10;">The only thing I wanna know why so many revamps when the first ones are not finished? I have been waiting and waiting for the new Festers. Also Subeta Database clearly shows all the pets have not been drawn in every color so I wonder if time could be spent finishing these things before there are revamps. </blockquote>
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<br>Tracy, you have also summed up exactly another reason why so many revamps are bing attempted. I don't want to have pets just filled in with new colors and some of them looking so drastically different from the original because the original artist is no longer around. Trust me, those revamps will be tweaked and all will be finished.
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<br><b>Quote:</b><blockquote style="padding:5px; line-height:15px; background-color: #FAFFFF; border: 1px solid #000000; font-family: georgia; font-size: 10;">Also I don't think anyone should state how Kelpie feels about Lycan's art but Kelpie. </blockquote>
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<br>Thank you, Tracy. I love how this has turned into a bash-Kelpie fest here, when I'm just doing my job.I know it seems like "OMG KELPIE IS RUINING THE SITE AND DOING WHAT SHE WANTS." But I promise you that is in no way true. Keith hired me because he recognized the art quality on the site was declining, and trusted me to be able to change that. The way I see it, I'm just doing my job.
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<br>You know what, please sMail me directly next time you want to bash my character. Maybe then I can explain myself to you more fully.
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<br>Again, your opinions are appreciated, and hopefully I've explained why there are so many revamps.
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<br>Steen, I find your comment highly ironic. Having told me that I was too harsh in my crits and the artists had feelings once before, and for me to try to temper myself...
<br>Just wow.
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<br>Secondly, I'd like to address why this is being revamped in the first place. I honestly did not want to touch it initially. However, I have been asked by users and staff members alike for a telenine revamp. So, it was attempted once, and rejected. It was attempted yet again, and rejected. This third attempt, MONTHS LATER, was viewed by us for months as well, tweaked and retweaked to make it more subeta's style. That's right. USERS ASKED FOR THIS. So, before accusations start flying that I'm trying erradicate all of Lycan's art, maybe you guys should know that I'm just doing what I've been asked to do. By you.
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<br>As for Lycan's art, which Dickie so considerately threw me under the bus and said I hated, let me clear up that I do not. I was told that if revamps were to happen, to probably start at the bottom of the popularity list. So, there came the festers. It's an unlimited edition pet and really the pets at the bottom of our list should be the limited edition ones. We figured they were largely unpopular due to some lack of appeal in the design and thus changed them rather drastically to make them more appealing. Likewise also with the Bovyne, another fairly upopular pet. The fact that these were both drawn by Lycan is purely coincedence. I have nothing against her personally, nor her art. If her art were more popular on the site, regardless of whether or not I personally liked it, I would leave it untouched. I admit, I am not drawn to her style, but I'm not revamping pets purely because I feel like it. As for now, no plans are made to touch the antlephores unless they are done either by her, or under her close supervision.
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<br>Now, a lot of people are complaining about the lack of smirk on the new telenine. I can say with certainty there is a reason for the disappearance of the smirk. The artistic staff and myself have had this discussion before with other pets and came to the conclusion that Subeta would much rather pets have a fairly blank expression (such as the feli and pherret) so that the user can give it any personality they wish, instead of the telenine's smirk and old torrent's googly eyes that basically dictate a personality for you. This makes it more pleasing to the masses. Your pet can still be a smart aleck telenine should you choose. That doesn't mean everyone else wants that.
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<br><b>Quote:</b><blockquote style="padding:5px; line-height:15px; background-color: #FAFFFF; border: 1px solid #000000; font-family: georgia; font-size: 10;">The only thing I wanna know why so many revamps when the first ones are not finished? I have been waiting and waiting for the new Festers. Also Subeta Database clearly shows all the pets have not been drawn in every color so I wonder if time could be spent finishing these things before there are revamps. </blockquote>
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<br>Tracy, you have also summed up exactly another reason why so many revamps are bing attempted. I don't want to have pets just filled in with new colors and some of them looking so drastically different from the original because the original artist is no longer around. Trust me, those revamps will be tweaked and all will be finished.
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<br><b>Quote:</b><blockquote style="padding:5px; line-height:15px; background-color: #FAFFFF; border: 1px solid #000000; font-family: georgia; font-size: 10;">Also I don't think anyone should state how Kelpie feels about Lycan's art but Kelpie. </blockquote>
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<br>Thank you, Tracy. I love how this has turned into a bash-Kelpie fest here, when I'm just doing my job.I know it seems like "OMG KELPIE IS RUINING THE SITE AND DOING WHAT SHE WANTS." But I promise you that is in no way true. Keith hired me because he recognized the art quality on the site was declining, and trusted me to be able to change that. The way I see it, I'm just doing my job.
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<br>You know what, please sMail me directly next time you want to bash my character. Maybe then I can explain myself to you more fully.
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<br>Again, your opinions are appreciated, and hopefully I've explained why there are so many revamps.
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<br>Steen, I find your comment highly ironic. Having told me that I was too harsh in my crits and the artists had feelings once before, and for me to try to temper myself...
<br>Just wow.
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I happen to own a telenine, and am fond of this change. Anatomy issues or not (though it is unlikely that I would notice them if they were not pointed out to me), the coloring and shading are quite nice. As for the personality... The way I look at it, the personality of a pet is whatever you make of it. Sure, some may be tied in with the drawing, but it gives us a chance to use our imaginations, and model the pet's personality based on what we want it to be like. <img src=/images/smilies/6398_emoticon_smile.gif border=0> Openmindedness really helps... If the telenine is revamped, just give it a chance. You may like it more than you thought you would. (note: 'openmindedness' does not mean that you either have to agree with me or be in favor of the telenine 'suggestion')
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Christine and Cyde <img src=/images/smilies/6398_emoticon_heart.gif border=0> I agree with everything you guys said.
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<br>Everything seems to have changed with the new batch of artists...it's depressing.
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<br>There's bucketloads of constructive criticism here...time for it to be acted upon.
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<br>Everything seems to have changed with the new batch of artists...it's depressing.
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<br>There's bucketloads of constructive criticism here...time for it to be acted upon.
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Cydewinder
I've said the same thing three times now <img src=/images/smilies/6398_emoticon_raspberry.gif border=0>
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<br>People need to read whole threads before jumping in.
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<br>People need to read whole threads before jumping in.
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Mythica_115
Cyde. I didn't even read your post. Or Christine's.. or Kelpie's. They appeared just as I'd posted mine, and as such, I didn't respond to anything you had to say. o_O That's what happens.. with the whole.. simultaneous commenting thing; some of us miss posts.
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<br>A lot of what you guys had to say makes perfect sense to me. Some of it I don't necessarily agree with, but it doesn't really encourage me to respond.. because it doesn't like.. bother me, or inspire me.. or whatever. :3 Just because people don't respond right away, or at all, doesn't mean they disagree.
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<br>A lot of what you guys had to say makes perfect sense to me. Some of it I don't necessarily agree with, but it doesn't really encourage me to respond.. because it doesn't like.. bother me, or inspire me.. or whatever. :3 Just because people don't respond right away, or at all, doesn't mean they disagree.
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Cydewinder
Am I talking to myself?
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<br>Theres two ways a pet can be redrawn.
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<br>It can get updated line art and shading, since a lot of Subetas early art is pretty flat and inconsistent.
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<br>OR, it can be changed fundamentally, ie the Torrent, or the Bovyne. This includes changing the pose and features of the pet.
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<br>The first one is about making things fit <b>Subetas style</b> and every user should get a say in that.
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<br>The second one is about changing what the pet is, changing the personality of the pet. If you cared enough about the personality of a pet you'd have one as a pet. If you are not an owner, you should be <b>indifferent to the pose</b>, as long as the <b>style</b> (Lineart and shading) suits Subeta.
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<br>We <b>DO NOT</b> want all pets to share a "subeta Style" personality. Otherwise they will all end up as identikit pets. People need to learn to distringuish between revamps and redraws. Theres a big difference.
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<br>Theres two ways a pet can be redrawn.
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<br>It can get updated line art and shading, since a lot of Subetas early art is pretty flat and inconsistent.
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<br>OR, it can be changed fundamentally, ie the Torrent, or the Bovyne. This includes changing the pose and features of the pet.
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<br>The first one is about making things fit <b>Subetas style</b> and every user should get a say in that.
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<br>The second one is about changing what the pet is, changing the personality of the pet. If you cared enough about the personality of a pet you'd have one as a pet. If you are not an owner, you should be <b>indifferent to the pose</b>, as long as the <b>style</b> (Lineart and shading) suits Subeta.
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<br>We <b>DO NOT</b> want all pets to share a "subeta Style" personality. Otherwise they will all end up as identikit pets. People need to learn to distringuish between revamps and redraws. Theres a big difference.
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Mythica_115
The whole.. only let people who own a certain species vote argument, kind of irks me.
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<br>I've been a member of Subeta for a long time now. I've come back after several restarts, and I've grown to love every species for its own set of unique characteristics. One of my first pets was a Telenine, a GY one, which I created not once, but twice due to a restart. Khe was one of my favourite pets, even though I have since fallen far more deeply in love with the new GY Tigrean, which is what Khe is now. <3
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<br>I don't think that <i>only</i> those users who actually own pets of a particular species, are affected by proposed, and approved revamps. I don't think that <i>only</i> those users with those particular species of pet are the only ones who have an appreciation for that pet, or have an interest in how Subeta evolves and grows, both in number, sophistication, as a community, and artistically.
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<br>I can understand that it's difficult to come to terms with a proposed revamp if you have a pet that's likely to be affected by the revamp. You're attached to your pet. You love it as it is, otherwise you wouldn't have that pet. However.. I think it's somewhat selfish to exclude the rest of Subeta from having a say in how Subeta's artistic future evolves, simply because they have not chosen to add a certain species to their account's pet repertoire. I don't think that those users who own pets of a certain species are any more qualified to provide feedback, opinions and suggestions, and as such, I don't see why they should be excluded from having a say. Non-Telenine owners may not have a Telenine image on their profile, but they still browse the site and see them on other profiles and site images. If a revamp is going to make their viewing of Subeta more enjoyable, because the Telenine is given a face-lift and perhaps becomes a little more consistent with Subeta's style, I'm all for giving <i>everyone</i> a chance to speak up, and to make their opinion count, by means of voting.
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<br>Anyway. Now that all of that's said; I'd like to commend Tsumie on her efforts with this revamp. It's still totally recognisable as a Telenine, and is far more in tune with that GORGEOUS, STUPENDOUS Reborn Telly Tsumie did a while back. Hawt. <3
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<br>I've been a member of Subeta for a long time now. I've come back after several restarts, and I've grown to love every species for its own set of unique characteristics. One of my first pets was a Telenine, a GY one, which I created not once, but twice due to a restart. Khe was one of my favourite pets, even though I have since fallen far more deeply in love with the new GY Tigrean, which is what Khe is now. <3
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<br>I don't think that <i>only</i> those users who actually own pets of a particular species, are affected by proposed, and approved revamps. I don't think that <i>only</i> those users with those particular species of pet are the only ones who have an appreciation for that pet, or have an interest in how Subeta evolves and grows, both in number, sophistication, as a community, and artistically.
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<br>I can understand that it's difficult to come to terms with a proposed revamp if you have a pet that's likely to be affected by the revamp. You're attached to your pet. You love it as it is, otherwise you wouldn't have that pet. However.. I think it's somewhat selfish to exclude the rest of Subeta from having a say in how Subeta's artistic future evolves, simply because they have not chosen to add a certain species to their account's pet repertoire. I don't think that those users who own pets of a certain species are any more qualified to provide feedback, opinions and suggestions, and as such, I don't see why they should be excluded from having a say. Non-Telenine owners may not have a Telenine image on their profile, but they still browse the site and see them on other profiles and site images. If a revamp is going to make their viewing of Subeta more enjoyable, because the Telenine is given a face-lift and perhaps becomes a little more consistent with Subeta's style, I'm all for giving <i>everyone</i> a chance to speak up, and to make their opinion count, by means of voting.
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<br>Anyway. Now that all of that's said; I'd like to commend Tsumie on her efforts with this revamp. It's still totally recognisable as a Telenine, and is far more in tune with that GORGEOUS, STUPENDOUS Reborn Telly Tsumie did a while back. Hawt. <3
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<b>Quote:</b><blockquote style="padding:5px; line-height:15px; background-color: #FAFFFF; border: 1px solid #000000; font-family: georgia; font-size: 10;">Secondly,
<br>The amount and effort and time Tsume put into this was unbelievable – spanning months I believe. She has taken criticism from us for weeks on end and has taken everything we have said into account. I am personally shocked at the negativity I’m seeing here, it seems all of you are feeding off eachother and forgetting that there is someone who has worked their grass off behind this image, and I think she deserves comments which are made supportively and constructively.</blockquote>
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<br><b>Quote:</b><blockquote style="padding:5px; line-height:15px; background-color: #FAFFFF; border: 1px solid #000000; font-family: georgia; font-size: 10;">Please, have some TACT when you criticise. Don't whine that your comments aren't going to be used, because if they're valid, I'm sure Tsume will be willing to fix it. </blockquote>
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<br>I'm tired of these "GIVE US CONSTRUCTIVE CRITICISM" posts. This isn't aimed at the telenine thread, but all of the recent events.
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<br>So, I shall begin-
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<br>Cut the CONSTRUCTIVE CRITICISM crap. To most of you artists, constructive criticism is inflating your ego while nitpicking at a few things. So what if they whine? Some of you (artists) are doing MORE whining than the users. Of course they're going to whine. If I had a telenine (thank God I don't, but I would have) you would have massacred it in my eyes. I have the right to my own opinion, just as these users do.
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<br>If no "constructive" criticism is given, then the user is at fault, not the artist. In this case, there is enough to go about.
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<br>If you can't take some negative feedback, you have no business being an artist. Learn to take a few hits that don't help you (or even the negative ones).
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<br>In the real world, as an artist, your boss (or whoever employs you) may sometimes tell you that an image you make "sucks," "they hate it," and want you to do it over, without ANY criticism. Sure, in this scenario, you are getting paid and in reality, you don't, since you volunteer here. However, if you look at it this way, you ARE getting paid- through reputation and fans.
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<br><b>Quote:</b><blockquote style="padding:5px; line-height:15px; background-color: #FAFFFF; border: 1px solid #000000; font-family: georgia; font-size: 10;">Frankly, I'm appauled at the way some of you have acted. </blockquote>
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<br>You too.
<br>The amount and effort and time Tsume put into this was unbelievable – spanning months I believe. She has taken criticism from us for weeks on end and has taken everything we have said into account. I am personally shocked at the negativity I’m seeing here, it seems all of you are feeding off eachother and forgetting that there is someone who has worked their grass off behind this image, and I think she deserves comments which are made supportively and constructively.</blockquote>
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<br><b>Quote:</b><blockquote style="padding:5px; line-height:15px; background-color: #FAFFFF; border: 1px solid #000000; font-family: georgia; font-size: 10;">Please, have some TACT when you criticise. Don't whine that your comments aren't going to be used, because if they're valid, I'm sure Tsume will be willing to fix it. </blockquote>
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<br>I'm tired of these "GIVE US CONSTRUCTIVE CRITICISM" posts. This isn't aimed at the telenine thread, but all of the recent events.
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<br>So, I shall begin-
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<br>Cut the CONSTRUCTIVE CRITICISM crap. To most of you artists, constructive criticism is inflating your ego while nitpicking at a few things. So what if they whine? Some of you (artists) are doing MORE whining than the users. Of course they're going to whine. If I had a telenine (thank God I don't, but I would have) you would have massacred it in my eyes. I have the right to my own opinion, just as these users do.
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<br>If no "constructive" criticism is given, then the user is at fault, not the artist. In this case, there is enough to go about.
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<br>If you can't take some negative feedback, you have no business being an artist. Learn to take a few hits that don't help you (or even the negative ones).
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<br>In the real world, as an artist, your boss (or whoever employs you) may sometimes tell you that an image you make "sucks," "they hate it," and want you to do it over, without ANY criticism. Sure, in this scenario, you are getting paid and in reality, you don't, since you volunteer here. However, if you look at it this way, you ARE getting paid- through reputation and fans.
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<br><b>Quote:</b><blockquote style="padding:5px; line-height:15px; background-color: #FAFFFF; border: 1px solid #000000; font-family: georgia; font-size: 10;">Frankly, I'm appauled at the way some of you have acted. </blockquote>
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<br>You too.
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Cydewinder
Abbie, it isnt possible for me to disagree with you more.
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<br><b>Quote:</b><blockquote style="padding:5px; line-height:15px; background-color: #FAFFFF; border: 1px solid #000000; font-family: georgia; font-size: 10;"> The amount and effort and time Tsume put into this was unbelievable – spanning months I believe. She has taken criticism from us for weeks on end and has taken everything we have said into account. ... forgetting that there is someone who has worked their grass off behind this image, and I think she deserves comments which are made supportively and constructively.</blockquote>
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<br>So, if I work for a whole year on a revamp of a pet, no matter how bad it looks. Just because I put effort in I should expect the people who changing that image will affect in a direct matter to <b>not only accept it, but <i>congratulate</i> me</b>? I think not.
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<br>Subeta artists need to get over themselves. And the staff need to get over the artists. Not every piece of art is going to be the right piece of art for the job. As a coder I quite often code an entire program, only to highlight the folder and press the delete key. Why? Because things are <b>always</b> better the second time around. Just because this Telenine image took months, and it meets what the <i>Staff</i> think a telenine should look like <b>does not</b> automatically mean Subeta will like it, nor should they accept it on those grounds.
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<br>The staff is such a small, and unbelievably biased subset of the entire site. While an admin, I saw time and time again, especially within the artists an unwillingness to tell a fellow staff member their work was smelly . Everything was greeted with comments of "Oh wow thats so awesome" and "Lets release it ASAP, its perfect!", and the circle jerk continued. Thats what I see in <b>this very news post</b>. Artists and wannabe artists saying that we shouldnt be allowed to criticise and voice our dislike for the telenine in case we hurt the artists feelings. You all need to grow some balls.
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<br><b>Quote:</b><blockquote style="padding:5px; line-height:15px; background-color: #FAFFFF; border: 1px solid #000000; font-family: georgia; font-size: 10;"> Thirdly,
<br> The opinions of telenine owners are no more prevalent than those of people who do not own telenines, ease off. Newbies also have their rights, and the stigma attached to them is really getting to me. Not every Newbie is an absolute invalid. Please give them respect as their views matter to the site as much as any subetan veteran.</blockquote>
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<br>Bull smelly . Firstly nobody has said (to my knowledge) that the reason we want to restrict the poll to telenine owners is because of the newbies. People have said that newbies may be encouraged to vote just for the sP without really thinking, but there arent enough of them to taint the poll. What does taint the poll is the non telenine owners.
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<br>For a much more detailed argument just Ctrl+F my name, its about four pages down. I'd have hoped you'd read it before posting but obviously not.
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<br>I wouldnt expect to vote in an American election, similarly if you dont own a Telenine you shouldnt expect to post in a revamp poll. You can expect to vote in a redraw poll about whether the style needs to be updated, but you have <b>absolutely no say</b> in the pose and personality of a pet if you dont own it.
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<br>Anything else is ridiculous, and if you stop to think for just half a second, you'll realise it.
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<br><b>Quote:</b><blockquote style="padding:5px; line-height:15px; background-color: #FAFFFF; border: 1px solid #000000; font-family: georgia; font-size: 10;"> The amount and effort and time Tsume put into this was unbelievable – spanning months I believe. She has taken criticism from us for weeks on end and has taken everything we have said into account. ... forgetting that there is someone who has worked their grass off behind this image, and I think she deserves comments which are made supportively and constructively.</blockquote>
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<br>So, if I work for a whole year on a revamp of a pet, no matter how bad it looks. Just because I put effort in I should expect the people who changing that image will affect in a direct matter to <b>not only accept it, but <i>congratulate</i> me</b>? I think not.
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<br>Subeta artists need to get over themselves. And the staff need to get over the artists. Not every piece of art is going to be the right piece of art for the job. As a coder I quite often code an entire program, only to highlight the folder and press the delete key. Why? Because things are <b>always</b> better the second time around. Just because this Telenine image took months, and it meets what the <i>Staff</i> think a telenine should look like <b>does not</b> automatically mean Subeta will like it, nor should they accept it on those grounds.
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<br>The staff is such a small, and unbelievably biased subset of the entire site. While an admin, I saw time and time again, especially within the artists an unwillingness to tell a fellow staff member their work was smelly . Everything was greeted with comments of "Oh wow thats so awesome" and "Lets release it ASAP, its perfect!", and the circle jerk continued. Thats what I see in <b>this very news post</b>. Artists and wannabe artists saying that we shouldnt be allowed to criticise and voice our dislike for the telenine in case we hurt the artists feelings. You all need to grow some balls.
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<br><b>Quote:</b><blockquote style="padding:5px; line-height:15px; background-color: #FAFFFF; border: 1px solid #000000; font-family: georgia; font-size: 10;"> Thirdly,
<br> The opinions of telenine owners are no more prevalent than those of people who do not own telenines, ease off. Newbies also have their rights, and the stigma attached to them is really getting to me. Not every Newbie is an absolute invalid. Please give them respect as their views matter to the site as much as any subetan veteran.</blockquote>
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<br>Bull smelly . Firstly nobody has said (to my knowledge) that the reason we want to restrict the poll to telenine owners is because of the newbies. People have said that newbies may be encouraged to vote just for the sP without really thinking, but there arent enough of them to taint the poll. What does taint the poll is the non telenine owners.
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<br>For a much more detailed argument just Ctrl+F my name, its about four pages down. I'd have hoped you'd read it before posting but obviously not.
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<br>I wouldnt expect to vote in an American election, similarly if you dont own a Telenine you shouldnt expect to post in a revamp poll. You can expect to vote in a redraw poll about whether the style needs to be updated, but you have <b>absolutely no say</b> in the pose and personality of a pet if you dont own it.
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<br>Anything else is ridiculous, and if you stop to think for just half a second, you'll realise it.
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TracyH
OMGoodness People we cannot be so divided. This is a loving community so let's all sit around and sing Kumbayaa.
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<br>I thought I was gonna cry. Wait I did cry over the Fester revamp but I got over it.
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<br>I did not know you could see other people's photobuckets. <img src=/images/smilies/6398_emoticon_shocked.gif border=0>
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<br>I never can unless one links me. <img src=/images/smilies/6398_emoticon_grin.gif border=0>
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<br>I thought I was gonna cry. Wait I did cry over the Fester revamp but I got over it.
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<br>I did not know you could see other people's photobuckets. <img src=/images/smilies/6398_emoticon_shocked.gif border=0>
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<br>I never can unless one links me. <img src=/images/smilies/6398_emoticon_grin.gif border=0>
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But yeah...other people might really like these revamps...there's not much bad about them except anatomical errors...in fact two are really good...i just dislike the rest.
<br>But I think people should know voting on this revamp will undoubtedly lead to those revamps happening too :/
<br>But I think people should know voting on this revamp will undoubtedly lead to those revamps happening too :/
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I was worried about my telenines...I thought tsume would probably name the files obviously...it was clever what I did but not illegal or anything.
<br>Let's face it...if this revamp goes through then probably every telenine will be tsume-ised so i wanted to know what I have to prepare myself for.
<br>I paid real money to have my chibi telenine...I paid $60 at the time so understandably I'm really worried about that much money going to waste.
<br>I wish you wouldn't say "feelings are at stake!!!!!" like it's the most important issue here. The most important issue here is pleasing the users and getting good quality art...besides...I'm sure many more people are upset at the prospect of their pets changing.
<br>Let's face it...if this revamp goes through then probably every telenine will be tsume-ised so i wanted to know what I have to prepare myself for.
<br>I paid real money to have my chibi telenine...I paid $60 at the time so understandably I'm really worried about that much money going to waste.
<br>I wish you wouldn't say "feelings are at stake!!!!!" like it's the most important issue here. The most important issue here is pleasing the users and getting good quality art...besides...I'm sure many more people are upset at the prospect of their pets changing.
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No problem ^^ Bring an artist myself here previously I know how discouraging some 'critiques' can get so I do try to make mine as helpful as they can be without being rude :3
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Thanks for putting in the effort Hanako - and doing it in a positive and respectful way. Many <3s FOR YOU RIGHT NOW. ILUk. <3
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...Dickie, I believe there was a REASON Tsume's Photobucket was private. There was no need for you to go around snooping. I'll be sure to tell her to switch to something else.
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|D;; Oops a different bold forum code here. I forgot ._.;;
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This <b>is</b> a gorgeous revamp but I voted old as there are a few anatomical issues :3 Which do bug me a little. Fix those up an I'm more than happy for this revamp to go through ^o^ I have a redlined version at the bottom of my comment.
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<br><b>Snout and Tooth</b> - The snout it at an awkward angle compared to the rest of the face. The bottom jaw might also be a bit thick compared to the upper jaw. The tooth Also needs to be moved back slightly.
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<br><b>Spikes</b> - The spikes sort of look like they might have been glued there instead of sticking out of it's back. I suggest making the fur a bit ruffled in that area with the disturbance the spikes would cause in the flow of the fur. I also think the the ear closest to us needs to be moved back a bit so it doesn't hide the head spike as much because it makes it look a bit odd a newer users might not be able to see what it is clearly.
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<br><b>Back</> - This lacks a natural curve to the shoulders making it look a little bit hunched up.
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<br><b>Eyes</b> - I would perk those up a bit as the eye further away becaomes a bit small.
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<br><b>Legs and Paws</b> - Some of the paws seem to melt away a bit and are a bit too chunky. I do know that the previous Telenine had chunky paws but I don't think it suits the new revamp. On my red line on one of the fore legs I added a little line at the top which is a muscle there which I think helps bring out the fact it is connected to the body. You also forgot the dewclaw on the front paw ^^;;
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<br><b>Colours and Shade</b> - I think the colours are very nice <img src=/images/smilies/6398_emoticon_grin.gif border=0> You might want to make them a little brighter to match the old one but if you leave it this way I don't mind <333 I need to point out that where I put the x's on my redline means that the shading and highlighting there is a bit much. It makes it look as if the legs are a seperate piece stuck on as if it was a figurine. The highlighting on the part of the hind leg makes it look as it it is too low. I would also remove some of the highlighting around the muzzle.
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<br>OMG REDLINE!
<br><img src="http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v319/Sesshimaru/redline8.gif" border="0">
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<br>Just a few things to patch up and that's it ^^ I think that who drew this is quite talented <img src=/images/smilies/6398_emoticon_grin.gif border=0> Good work. Sorry if it seemed mean or harsh <img src=/images/smilies/6398_emoticon_dead.gif border=0> I assure you I'm not trying to put you down. Just some little things that <b>I</b> think need a bit of fixing. I'm not so sure about others ^^;;
<br>Much love,
<br>Hanako.
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<br><b>Snout and Tooth</b> - The snout it at an awkward angle compared to the rest of the face. The bottom jaw might also be a bit thick compared to the upper jaw. The tooth Also needs to be moved back slightly.
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<br><b>Spikes</b> - The spikes sort of look like they might have been glued there instead of sticking out of it's back. I suggest making the fur a bit ruffled in that area with the disturbance the spikes would cause in the flow of the fur. I also think the the ear closest to us needs to be moved back a bit so it doesn't hide the head spike as much because it makes it look a bit odd a newer users might not be able to see what it is clearly.
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<br><b>Back</> - This lacks a natural curve to the shoulders making it look a little bit hunched up.
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<br><b>Eyes</b> - I would perk those up a bit as the eye further away becaomes a bit small.
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<br><b>Legs and Paws</b> - Some of the paws seem to melt away a bit and are a bit too chunky. I do know that the previous Telenine had chunky paws but I don't think it suits the new revamp. On my red line on one of the fore legs I added a little line at the top which is a muscle there which I think helps bring out the fact it is connected to the body. You also forgot the dewclaw on the front paw ^^;;
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<br><b>Colours and Shade</b> - I think the colours are very nice <img src=/images/smilies/6398_emoticon_grin.gif border=0> You might want to make them a little brighter to match the old one but if you leave it this way I don't mind <333 I need to point out that where I put the x's on my redline means that the shading and highlighting there is a bit much. It makes it look as if the legs are a seperate piece stuck on as if it was a figurine. The highlighting on the part of the hind leg makes it look as it it is too low. I would also remove some of the highlighting around the muzzle.
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<br>OMG REDLINE!
<br><img src="http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v319/Sesshimaru/redline8.gif" border="0">
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<br>Just a few things to patch up and that's it ^^ I think that who drew this is quite talented <img src=/images/smilies/6398_emoticon_grin.gif border=0> Good work. Sorry if it seemed mean or harsh <img src=/images/smilies/6398_emoticon_dead.gif border=0> I assure you I'm not trying to put you down. Just some little things that <b>I</b> think need a bit of fixing. I'm not so sure about others ^^;;
<br>Much love,
<br>Hanako.
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Dickie, there is no need for that kind of sarcastic pessimism. It's totally uncalled for and encourages negative comments - there are peoples' feelings involved here for goodness sake.
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Well 'yay' for bookmarking Tsume's photobucket...it seems there are 'revamped' versions of every telenine there...including chibi, angelic, graveyard, bloodred, and dark matter :/
<br>I wont post them because I think I'd get frozen but jsut thought people should know :/
<br>I wont post them because I think I'd get frozen but jsut thought people should know :/
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Well I have one problem with the Telenine owners only vote.
<br>That is there was no Festers owners only vote or no Slushii owners only vote.
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<br>Now I want to say this. The criticism in here to both Lycan's art and Tsume's art has been a bit too harsh in my opinion.
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<br>Also I don't think anyone should state how Kelpie feels about Lycan's art but Kelpie.
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<br>I do not want a rift to develope between them.
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<br>I know MysticCookie has said that Subetan Artists must have thick skin but Gee Golly Whiz
<br>they would need 3 coats of Leather not to be somewhat offended by what was said.
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<br>I personally love these people with all my heart and I really care about their feelings.
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<br>One must always use tact and please be nice.
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<br>You can like or dislike a revamp without saying Ewww that is ugly etc. or that the former version was ugly.
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<br>You know removing payment for polls might help. I will not tell Keith how to run his site though.
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<br>OK I am done.
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<br>That is there was no Festers owners only vote or no Slushii owners only vote.
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<br>Now I want to say this. The criticism in here to both Lycan's art and Tsume's art has been a bit too harsh in my opinion.
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<br>Also I don't think anyone should state how Kelpie feels about Lycan's art but Kelpie.
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<br>I do not want a rift to develope between them.
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<br>I know MysticCookie has said that Subetan Artists must have thick skin but Gee Golly Whiz
<br>they would need 3 coats of Leather not to be somewhat offended by what was said.
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<br>I personally love these people with all my heart and I really care about their feelings.
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<br>One must always use tact and please be nice.
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<br>You can like or dislike a revamp without saying Ewww that is ugly etc. or that the former version was ugly.
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<br>You know removing payment for polls might help. I will not tell Keith how to run his site though.
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<br>OK I am done.
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@ Dokuja:
<br>Something that is needed for limited pets like this here:
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<br>5) I don't have this pet but i'm working to get it.
<br>5.1 - like revamp
<br>5.2 - don't like revamp and will stop saving up
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<br>I was working for getting one (after BRMontre) and i don't like the revamp. <img src=/images/smilies/6398_emoticon_happy_sweatdrop.gif border=0>
<br>Why? Was posted so often, no need to repeat it again. <img src=/images/smilies/6398_emoticon_wink.gif border=0>
<br>The art for itself is pretty good though.
<br>Something that is needed for limited pets like this here:
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<br>5) I don't have this pet but i'm working to get it.
<br>5.1 - like revamp
<br>5.2 - don't like revamp and will stop saving up
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<br>I was working for getting one (after BRMontre) and i don't like the revamp. <img src=/images/smilies/6398_emoticon_happy_sweatdrop.gif border=0>
<br>Why? Was posted so often, no need to repeat it again. <img src=/images/smilies/6398_emoticon_wink.gif border=0>
<br>The art for itself is pretty good though.
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"The opinions of telenine owners are no more prevalent than those of people who do not own telenines, ease off."
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<br>First of all, I was joking...someone commented on the fact that non-telenine owners made comments about this version, and I was merely jesting when I made MY comment...
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<br>Also, I personally feel that my critisism (if you read waaaay down the posts) WAS constructive, along with at least a few other users...
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<br>As I already stated - I really do like this drawing. It's very nicely done, I just think it lacks a certain miscehvious look and emotion that the current Tele has...and there are a few other minor things that bothered me about it, that I will not get into again. Ctrl+F my name if you want to see them, but keep in mind...nothing was meant as an insult to Tsume, or her art...if it seems I said it that way, I apologize.
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<br>First of all, I was joking...someone commented on the fact that non-telenine owners made comments about this version, and I was merely jesting when I made MY comment...
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<br>Also, I personally feel that my critisism (if you read waaaay down the posts) WAS constructive, along with at least a few other users...
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<br>As I already stated - I really do like this drawing. It's very nicely done, I just think it lacks a certain miscehvious look and emotion that the current Tele has...and there are a few other minor things that bothered me about it, that I will not get into again. Ctrl+F my name if you want to see them, but keep in mind...nothing was meant as an insult to Tsume, or her art...if it seems I said it that way, I apologize.
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Eeer. Obviously = oblivious. XD
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K.
<br>Firstly,
<br>I adore this revamp. I am obviously to these anatomical problems that everyone is seeing. If people would like to specify, it would be most helpful in fixing. <3
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<br>Secondly,
<br>The amount and effort and time Tsume put into this was unbelievable – spanning months I believe. She has taken criticism from us for weeks on end and has taken everything we have said into account. I am personally shocked at the negativity I’m seeing here, it seems all of you are feeding off eachother and forgetting that there is someone who has worked their grass off behind this image, and I think she deserves comments which are made <b>supportively</b> and <b>constructively</b>.
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<br>Thirdly,
<br>The opinions of telenine owners are no more prevalent than those of people who do not own telenines, ease off. Newbies also have their rights, and the stigma attached to them is really getting to me. Not every Newbie is an absolute invalid. Please give them respect as their views matter to the site as much as any subetan veteran.
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<br>Everyone has a right to their own opinion, I will not deny that. It is perfectly okay to find fault in the revamp. But the destructive delivery of your opinions has shocked me – it’s not what this site is about; remember that.
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<br><3 to Tsume.
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<br>Firstly,
<br>I adore this revamp. I am obviously to these anatomical problems that everyone is seeing. If people would like to specify, it would be most helpful in fixing. <3
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<br>Secondly,
<br>The amount and effort and time Tsume put into this was unbelievable – spanning months I believe. She has taken criticism from us for weeks on end and has taken everything we have said into account. I am personally shocked at the negativity I’m seeing here, it seems all of you are feeding off eachother and forgetting that there is someone who has worked their grass off behind this image, and I think she deserves comments which are made <b>supportively</b> and <b>constructively</b>.
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<br>Thirdly,
<br>The opinions of telenine owners are no more prevalent than those of people who do not own telenines, ease off. Newbies also have their rights, and the stigma attached to them is really getting to me. Not every Newbie is an absolute invalid. Please give them respect as their views matter to the site as much as any subetan veteran.
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<br>Everyone has a right to their own opinion, I will not deny that. It is perfectly okay to find fault in the revamp. But the destructive delivery of your opinions has shocked me – it’s not what this site is about; remember that.
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<br><3 to Tsume.
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What bothers me is the whole "they have to fit the Subta Style" thing. When I look at all the pets together the ones that look out of place are the new ones. Does that mean EVERY pet is going be redone? Seems that would need doing to keep the style the same, no? I don't like how the revamps are going. They all look like some realistic toy with the plastic wrap filter run on them.
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Kitty_768
Frankly, I'm appauled at the way some of you have acted.
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<br>I mean, I'm not sure if some of you (who think you're giving it) know what constructive criticism is. You don't have to go "BEST PICTURE EVER!", but nor do you have to go "I HATE IT, LET IT DIE".
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<br>Please, have some TACT when you criticise. Don't whine that your comments aren't going to be used, because if they're valid, I'm sure Tsume will be willing to fix it.
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<br>On another note, I love the new version, and voted for it. I think that as a whole, it looks much better than the old one and has more character and life in it. <3 Not to mention that the standard is much higher. <3
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<br>I mean, I'm not sure if some of you (who think you're giving it) know what constructive criticism is. You don't have to go "BEST PICTURE EVER!", but nor do you have to go "I HATE IT, LET IT DIE".
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<br>Please, have some TACT when you criticise. Don't whine that your comments aren't going to be used, because if they're valid, I'm sure Tsume will be willing to fix it.
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<br>On another note, I love the new version, and voted for it. I think that as a whole, it looks much better than the old one and has more character and life in it. <3 Not to mention that the standard is much higher. <3
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Dokuja, don't forget these 2 then:
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<br>I have this pet, but I don't care either way
<br>I don't have this pet, and I just want free sP
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<br>I have this pet, but I don't care either way
<br>I don't have this pet, and I just want free sP
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Also, I imagine, the "I'll get this pet if the vote goes through" will have the second most sway, even though it's totally unreliable; people might decide not to get the pet after all, or mean they can imagine themselves getting it but just plain never do it.
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1) I have this pet and like this revamp.
<br>2) I have this pet and don't like this revamp.
<br>3) I don't have this pet, but will adopt one if this revamp goes through.
<br>4) I don't have this pet, and won't adopt one if this revamp goes through.
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<br>The problem with that is people will know the reason for the split is because the owners of the actual pet in question have more reason for voting the way they vote, thus giving that poll more sway (the reason it exists) so users who just want things a certain way whether they're affected or not could lie.
<br>2) I have this pet and don't like this revamp.
<br>3) I don't have this pet, but will adopt one if this revamp goes through.
<br>4) I don't have this pet, and won't adopt one if this revamp goes through.
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<br>The problem with that is people will know the reason for the split is because the owners of the actual pet in question have more reason for voting the way they vote, thus giving that poll more sway (the reason it exists) so users who just want things a certain way whether they're affected or not could lie.
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Aurora
I, personally, like this telenine. But that's only because that way it is standing is like the way the first telenine I ever saw was. I was totally distraught when it was revamped to the current style(My telenine, however, was only temporarily affected as I made mine graveyard), not that I didn't like it.. The lineart was just a little to thin for my tastes. So, pretty much, I line both, I'm just leaning more towards the new. But I suppose I can only hope that if the graveyard telenine is revamped that it will still look good. But all this is just my simple opinion, please nobody yell at me. ._o;
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Skoll
thats a very good idea Dokuja! I think that would do well, and i also like the idea of no sP for voting too, its not like your getting much in the first place anyways.
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Dude. D: Split the polls into four categories:
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<br>1) I have this pet and like this revamp.
<br>2) I have this pet and don't like this revamp.
<br>3) I don't have this pet, but will adopt one if this revamp goes through.
<br>4) I don't have this pet, and won't adopt one if this revamp goes through.
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<br>;D
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<br>1) I have this pet and like this revamp.
<br>2) I have this pet and don't like this revamp.
<br>3) I don't have this pet, but will adopt one if this revamp goes through.
<br>4) I don't have this pet, and won't adopt one if this revamp goes through.
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<br>;D
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<quote>Oh I truly hope this does not happen. I would be very very sad if this happened.</quote>
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<br>Unfortunatly Tracy, it probably will happen. Since people have posted that Kelpie does not like Lycan's pets because they're not "Subeta Style" they will most likely be flushed out eventually.
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<br>Unfortunatly Tracy, it probably will happen. Since people have posted that Kelpie does not like Lycan's pets because they're not "Subeta Style" they will most likely be flushed out eventually.
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Haha yeah okay well lets get some things settled.
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<br>1. Seriously Subeta, you people need to take away the sP given out by polls and then when you have revamp polls DO NOT LET THE PEOPLE WHO DO NOT CURRENTLY HAVE A TELENINE VOTE ON THE POLLS! I mean no one listens to the users who LIKE their old version of the Telenine better. No offence to whoever drew it but hm.. I will talk about some things I do not like.
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<br>2. I do not like how he looks so short. I think the legs should be a little longer. He's not all short and stocky.
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<br>3. Also I think his head looks to small for his body. It needs to be made a little larger or it needs to be positioned in such a way that's not going to make him look like he's got such a big head.
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<br>4. The spikes on it's back look like they're coming out of his back. Like they're gunna fall off. They probably should of been made to look like they were deeper into his spine.
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<br>5. His back leg. The line for the outline of the hip. It should be more aligned with the spine no?
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<br>6. He's not as bushy and furry as he once was. My telenine had a huge bushy furry tail. It makes him look so cute. ;
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<br>So unfortunatly. Since the majority wins and no one reallys cares if we think certain things on the Telenine should be replaced, as soon as this revamp is complete, I'm either going to change my common Telenine Lucavex or I'm getting rid of him.
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<br>Also on another note..
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<br>Dickie I agree with you. Also if they ever decide to revamp the chibi version. I will vote for the old even though I do not have a chibi telenine(because you know it's so cool to vote for the new even though you do not have it I will vote for the old even though I don't have one. Because what some people don't know is that you paid REAL MONEY to get your extra pet slots meaning the money you paid to Subeta would then be going to waste since it'd probably be made to look more like the newer one.
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<br>1. Seriously Subeta, you people need to take away the sP given out by polls and then when you have revamp polls DO NOT LET THE PEOPLE WHO DO NOT CURRENTLY HAVE A TELENINE VOTE ON THE POLLS! I mean no one listens to the users who LIKE their old version of the Telenine better. No offence to whoever drew it but hm.. I will talk about some things I do not like.
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<br>2. I do not like how he looks so short. I think the legs should be a little longer. He's not all short and stocky.
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<br>3. Also I think his head looks to small for his body. It needs to be made a little larger or it needs to be positioned in such a way that's not going to make him look like he's got such a big head.
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<br>4. The spikes on it's back look like they're coming out of his back. Like they're gunna fall off. They probably should of been made to look like they were deeper into his spine.
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<br>5. His back leg. The line for the outline of the hip. It should be more aligned with the spine no?
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<br>6. He's not as bushy and furry as he once was. My telenine had a huge bushy furry tail. It makes him look so cute. ;
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<br>So unfortunatly. Since the majority wins and no one reallys cares if we think certain things on the Telenine should be replaced, as soon as this revamp is complete, I'm either going to change my common Telenine Lucavex or I'm getting rid of him.
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<br>Also on another note..
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<br>Dickie I agree with you. Also if they ever decide to revamp the chibi version. I will vote for the old even though I do not have a chibi telenine(because you know it's so cool to vote for the new even though you do not have it I will vote for the old even though I don't have one. Because what some people don't know is that you paid REAL MONEY to get your extra pet slots meaning the money you paid to Subeta would then be going to waste since it'd probably be made to look more like the newer one.
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Raevaine
Both old and new versions have there good points and bad ones. I like the new one more, but the old one did seem to have more character in the eyes and face.
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<br>Still, it's very good, the artist did a wonderful job, even if everyone doesn't like it.
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<br>Still, it's very good, the artist did a wonderful job, even if everyone doesn't like it.
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<b>Quote:</b><blockquote style="padding:5px; line-height:15px; background-color: #FAFFFF; border: 1px solid #000000; font-family: georgia; font-size: 10;">I wouldn't be surprised if the antlephore was revamped.</blockquote>
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<br>Oh I truly hope this does not happen. I would be very very sad if this happened. <img src=/images/smilies/6398_emoticon_sad.gif border=0>
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<br>Oh I truly hope this does not happen. I would be very very sad if this happened. <img src=/images/smilies/6398_emoticon_sad.gif border=0>
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I own 2 Teles...does my opinion count twice as much? <img src=/images/smilies/6398_emoticon_raspberry.gif border=0>
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<br>And I just realized something...this new version must be wearing the extention fangs (inside joke for all you Tele owners <img src=/images/smilies/6398_emoticon_raspberry.gif border=0>)
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<br>And I just realized something...this new version must be wearing the extention fangs (inside joke for all you Tele owners <img src=/images/smilies/6398_emoticon_raspberry.gif border=0>)
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Dallas
I'm not much of a Telenine fan, but i do really like this revamp. The old one to me looks flat and really toony. This one is fuller and less toony. Kudos to the artist.
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Paws
My first thought when I logged on and saw this "Oh, god, no."
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<br>It's not that I DON'T like this, because I really do like it. The only thing wrong are a few anatomy issues, but I believe, like the montre, this revamp takes away the expression in the face of the old telenine. The eyes look very dull, unlike in the old version they stood out very nicely. The tail isn't fluffy, either. <img src=/images/smilies/6398_emoticon_raspberry.gif border=0>
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<br>I love this, though. It's very, very good. Kudos to the artist.
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<br>I voted old, though.
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<br>It's not that I DON'T like this, because I really do like it. The only thing wrong are a few anatomy issues, but I believe, like the montre, this revamp takes away the expression in the face of the old telenine. The eyes look very dull, unlike in the old version they stood out very nicely. The tail isn't fluffy, either. <img src=/images/smilies/6398_emoticon_raspberry.gif border=0>
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<br>I love this, though. It's very, very good. Kudos to the artist.
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I'm going to have to vote for the old one. As others have said before the anatomy on the new one just has way too many flaws to leave me happy (I'd be constantly picking at the flaws as thats what I do...I look over things very carefully). The pose is a little off too, and just lacks a bit compaired to the old one.
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<br>If the old one had been given a re-color (some updated shading) then I'd be all for a re-vamp as I dislike how flat the old one is.
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<br>If the old one had been given a re-color (some updated shading) then I'd be all for a re-vamp as I dislike how flat the old one is.
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I think Lycan is genious. One need only visit her DA to see so. So she likes cartoony what is wrong with that? I just truly hope her feelings are not hurt. She is one of my best friends on the internet. I have just recently got to know Tsume. I love her to pieces too. The Spectrum, Hydrus and Reborn Telenine are absolute Genius as well.
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<br>I really hope some of the comments made in here do not hurt either of these young ladies' feelings because they are people not just machines who make awesome images.
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<br>I just wish Lycan still worked here so she could revamp her pets well actually the Telenine is Christine's pet well actually they are all Keith's
<br>but anyways if this new style needs extra layers and shiney eyes. The Lycan could add another layer of shading and make the lines thicker or whatever if not Tsume is an awesome artist and I am sure you can review comments and tweak.
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<br>The only thing I wanna know why so many revamps when the first ones are not finished? I have been waiting and waiting for the new Festers.
<br>Also Subeta Database clearly shows all the pets have not been drawn in every color so I wonder if time could be spent finishing these things before there are revamps.
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<br>The rule used to be Chibis were left alone in Revamps. Well maybe it is not a rule but a tradition. I wish that would remain. I love Travis and Hyrum as is.
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<br>Anyways Lycan and Tsume <img src=/images/smilies/6398_emoticon_heart.gif border=0>
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<br>I really hope some of the comments made in here do not hurt either of these young ladies' feelings because they are people not just machines who make awesome images.
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<br>I just wish Lycan still worked here so she could revamp her pets well actually the Telenine is Christine's pet well actually they are all Keith's
<br>but anyways if this new style needs extra layers and shiney eyes. The Lycan could add another layer of shading and make the lines thicker or whatever if not Tsume is an awesome artist and I am sure you can review comments and tweak.
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<br>The only thing I wanna know why so many revamps when the first ones are not finished? I have been waiting and waiting for the new Festers.
<br>Also Subeta Database clearly shows all the pets have not been drawn in every color so I wonder if time could be spent finishing these things before there are revamps.
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<br>The rule used to be Chibis were left alone in Revamps. Well maybe it is not a rule but a tradition. I wish that would remain. I love Travis and Hyrum as is.
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<br>Anyways Lycan and Tsume <img src=/images/smilies/6398_emoticon_heart.gif border=0>
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I am sorry but I don't like this very much. Like many people said, the telenine seems made of plastic. The body looks a bit like an elongated oval, making it (body) look stiff. THe pack spikes look too smal and as if they were about to be shot off the body or fall of or something. I don't mind the tooth many are criticizing, actually, I really like it.
<br>I like the effect of the paws and lower legs and the tail. I don't like that slightly smug look it has though, yet that is simply taste.
<br>Oh yes, I do like the spots better ont his version, although my vote will go to the current version.
<br>I like the effect of the paws and lower legs and the tail. I don't like that slightly smug look it has though, yet that is simply taste.
<br>Oh yes, I do like the spots better ont his version, although my vote will go to the current version.
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I voted for the old one.
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<br>The revamp looks like an action figure to me. Like a toy. I believe it's because the shading is a bit harsh, as if the pet is made of plastic and a bright light is shining on it. I also don't like the front tooth. It's too long. I believe someone else commented that it makes the telenine look toothish. I agree. The pose also seems off. Once again more like an action figure pose than a pose an actual pet would take.
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<br>The revamp looks like an action figure to me. Like a toy. I believe it's because the shading is a bit harsh, as if the pet is made of plastic and a bright light is shining on it. I also don't like the front tooth. It's too long. I believe someone else commented that it makes the telenine look toothish. I agree. The pose also seems off. Once again more like an action figure pose than a pose an actual pet would take.
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<br>Aside from those points it's wonderful work.
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I love the pose of the spectrum and how he's drawn. I used to have one but I didnt like spctrum because it just didnt fit my pet Ravyn. Maybe it will work for the old one better then the revamp, or atleast something simular.
<br>This is just my oppinion though.
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<br>Also, I dont know why so many members are attacking eachother for silly little comments, just ignore them, this is the place for comments not arguments. And I'm sure its a pain when the staff members have to read through all of it when they're just trying to figure out oppinions.
<br>This is just my oppinion though.
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<br>Also, I dont know why so many members are attacking eachother for silly little comments, just ignore them, this is the place for comments not arguments. And I'm sure its a pain when the staff members have to read through all of it when they're just trying to figure out oppinions.
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Wow. o__o For appreciating constructive criticism, people sure like to put others down for it. /; Kinda puts the whole 'Chill Effect' into progress. x__x If one person's opinion is put down, why shouldn't yours be? I don't know, commenting is beginning to make me weary. XD -goes to hide-
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What is actually BAD abot the chibi kora, telenine, and ruffie?
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<br>Yasuragi...I'm not trying to be art director, I'm allowed to dislike pets like anyone else...why is ME disliking something different to anyone else?
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<br>And, yes, I often want a pet then find out it gets revamped...I can't help which pets this site chooses to revamp! But I'm not lying...I still have that twilight keeto elixir rotting in my vault and I told lycan/tracy I wanted another telenine ages ago...in fact I asked lycan if she'd do me a custom coloured version <img src=/images/smilies/6398_emoticon_raspberry.gif border=0>
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<br>I don't love putting artists work down...did I put down the torrent? did I put down the escalade?
<br>I 'put down' pets that have problems with their art. It's as simple as that.
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<br>Pleasing the majority is fine...but when there's still a very large minority which really don't like something then it needs to be addressed.
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<br>Yasuragi...I'm not trying to be art director, I'm allowed to dislike pets like anyone else...why is ME disliking something different to anyone else?
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<br>And, yes, I often want a pet then find out it gets revamped...I can't help which pets this site chooses to revamp! But I'm not lying...I still have that twilight keeto elixir rotting in my vault and I told lycan/tracy I wanted another telenine ages ago...in fact I asked lycan if she'd do me a custom coloured version <img src=/images/smilies/6398_emoticon_raspberry.gif border=0>
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<br>I don't love putting artists work down...did I put down the torrent? did I put down the escalade?
<br>I 'put down' pets that have problems with their art. It's as simple as that.
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<br>Pleasing the majority is fine...but when there's still a very large minority which really don't like something then it needs to be addressed.
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I chose the old version only because the new version's tooth in the front is far too long for a dog type pet... looks sabre toothish
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"Actually....sorry Dickie, but I personally despise the current chibi telenine. I'm looking forward to seeing it redrawn, it actually kind of frightens me. I look at it and think of the Flinstones, which just doesn't seem right."
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<br>i totally back that statement up, Fenshae. I think that the chibi telenine, kora and ruffie and probably the worst chibi's i've seen. :/
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<br>i totally back that statement up, Fenshae. I think that the chibi telenine, kora and ruffie and probably the worst chibi's i've seen. :/
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i dunno. oO; tracing is good an all.. but i dislike the leg proportions on the old telenine. oo; the anatomy isn't that great. Perhaps sticking with the sitting down pose, sure. the same expression and face. sure. same eyes. no. same legs. no. -exact- same pose. no thanks. ;/
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Actually....sorry Dickie, but I personally despise the current chibi telenine. I'm looking forward to seeing it redrawn, it actually kind of frightens me. I look at it and think of the Flinstones, which just doesn't seem right.
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<br>I also hate the current graveyard telenine. It looks like some combination of drowned and anorexic.
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<br>No offense to those artists either, of course--they just both really irk me. Actually, the only telenines I like are the original colors + darkmatter--because of the expression.
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<br>I also hate the current graveyard telenine. It looks like some combination of drowned and anorexic.
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<br>No offense to those artists either, of course--they just both really irk me. Actually, the only telenines I like are the original colors + darkmatter--because of the expression.
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<b>Quote:</b><blockquote style="padding:5px; line-height:15px; background-color: #FAFFFF; border: 1px solid #000000; font-family: georgia; font-size: 10;"> Posted by Dickie
<br>Every revamp gets more 'yes' votes than 'no'...it's because it's the first option and people click for the sP...also a lot of those votes will be newbie votes who probably will never own a telenine and just took a quick glance at the image.</blockquote>
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<br>Ironically, many old users who are complaining also lack a common posed telenine. In fact 80% of the time we revamp pets, people complain even though they don't own the pet. Most of the time I see montres, Kumos (The REVAMPED ones mind you) Kerubis or whatever.
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<br>You're also implying that most newbies are only voting because it's new and shiney. I think many people have more common sense than that. As someone stated in the topics, polls are made in the favor of the members of subeta. We use the polls to pleases the majority. If they vote yes for a revamp, it goes through. We can't say no to please the minority, then we are angering the majority.
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<br>I don't think spectrum will be changed as it's drawn by the same artist as this revamp...but I bet the chibi will be changed and I'm not looking forward to getting rid of mine
<br>I was planning on getting a telenine but I heard about this revamp a few months ago so I put it off...I'm glad I did because people almost inevitably vote new on everything.</blockquote>
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<br><b>Quote:</b><blockquote style="padding:5px; line-height:15px; background-color: #FAFFFF; border: 1px solid #000000; font-family: georgia; font-size: 10;">Posted by Dickie
<br>I'm glad the default hasn't been changed...I guess I'll make my would-have-been twilight keeto into a default one.</blockquote>
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<br>Everytime we revamp a pet, most of the time you say 'Oh I was going to change ______ into [insert revamped species], but now I won't.' Dickie I have no problems with you but you seem to love putting down the artist's work. I know it's okay to have an opinion, but sometimes your comments sound like you're trying to be art director.
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<br>Kelpie said she doesn't like Lycan's style...in fact I think she said she hated it...and Kelpie's in charge of art now :/ </blockquote>
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<br>Kay, I wont go into a lesson on tact. But Kelpie doesn't hate the style, she says it's not 'subeta style'. There's a difference.
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<br>I'm not trying to start something but it irks me that this happens everytime <img src=/images/smilies/6398_emoticon_dead.gif border=0> I know you're a good guy, Dickie but a lot of people see this XD;
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<br>Okay, back on topic with me. Tsume is going to work hard on the revamped Telenine. Everyone's crits are taken to account and will be used to fix the telly <img src=/images/smilies/6398_emoticon_smile.gif border=0> If you can, <b>constructive critism</b> does wonders. Thanks a lot guys <img src=/images/smilies/6398_emoticon_smile.gif border=0>
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<br>Also, I LOVE LOVE LOVE the fact my eyes are not burning from the electric blue. Yes the old tele is rather nice but not a pet I'd adopt at the current moment. It doesn't appeal to me, no offense to lycan who is a great artist <img src=/images/smilies/6398_emoticon_smile.gif border=0> Seriously.
<br>Every revamp gets more 'yes' votes than 'no'...it's because it's the first option and people click for the sP...also a lot of those votes will be newbie votes who probably will never own a telenine and just took a quick glance at the image.</blockquote>
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<br>Ironically, many old users who are complaining also lack a common posed telenine. In fact 80% of the time we revamp pets, people complain even though they don't own the pet. Most of the time I see montres, Kumos (The REVAMPED ones mind you) Kerubis or whatever.
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<br>You're also implying that most newbies are only voting because it's new and shiney. I think many people have more common sense than that. As someone stated in the topics, polls are made in the favor of the members of subeta. We use the polls to pleases the majority. If they vote yes for a revamp, it goes through. We can't say no to please the minority, then we are angering the majority.
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<br>I don't think spectrum will be changed as it's drawn by the same artist as this revamp...but I bet the chibi will be changed and I'm not looking forward to getting rid of mine
<br>I was planning on getting a telenine but I heard about this revamp a few months ago so I put it off...I'm glad I did because people almost inevitably vote new on everything.</blockquote>
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<br><b>Quote:</b><blockquote style="padding:5px; line-height:15px; background-color: #FAFFFF; border: 1px solid #000000; font-family: georgia; font-size: 10;">Posted by Dickie
<br>I'm glad the default hasn't been changed...I guess I'll make my would-have-been twilight keeto into a default one.</blockquote>
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<br>Everytime we revamp a pet, most of the time you say 'Oh I was going to change ______ into [insert revamped species], but now I won't.' Dickie I have no problems with you but you seem to love putting down the artist's work. I know it's okay to have an opinion, but sometimes your comments sound like you're trying to be art director.
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<br><b>Quote:</b><blockquote style="padding:5px; line-height:15px; background-color: #FAFFFF; border: 1px solid #000000; font-family: georgia; font-size: 10;">Posted by Dickie
<br>Kelpie said she doesn't like Lycan's style...in fact I think she said she hated it...and Kelpie's in charge of art now :/ </blockquote>
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<br>Kay, I wont go into a lesson on tact. But Kelpie doesn't hate the style, she says it's not 'subeta style'. There's a difference.
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<br>I'm not trying to start something but it irks me that this happens everytime <img src=/images/smilies/6398_emoticon_dead.gif border=0> I know you're a good guy, Dickie but a lot of people see this XD;
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<br>Okay, back on topic with me. Tsume is going to work hard on the revamped Telenine. Everyone's crits are taken to account and will be used to fix the telly <img src=/images/smilies/6398_emoticon_smile.gif border=0> If you can, <b>constructive critism</b> does wonders. Thanks a lot guys <img src=/images/smilies/6398_emoticon_smile.gif border=0>
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<br>Also, I LOVE LOVE LOVE the fact my eyes are not burning from the electric blue. Yes the old tele is rather nice but not a pet I'd adopt at the current moment. It doesn't appeal to me, no offense to lycan who is a great artist <img src=/images/smilies/6398_emoticon_smile.gif border=0> Seriously.
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People have mentioned the current (old) Telenine's colours (in a bad way). I LOVE the old Tele's colours. They're very dynamic.
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<br>Please don't change the Chibi Telenine. I don't have one...yet...but it's one of the most pleasing-looking Chibis (in my eyes, of course).
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<br>I voted old, the new one is good, but the old one I like more. Especially the tail. It looks so floofy and like it's in motion. This maybe looks a little posed.
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<br>I voted old, the new one is good, but the old one I like more. Especially the tail. It looks so floofy and like it's in motion. This maybe looks a little posed.
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Rapytur, you gave me new reason to post.
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<br>It can be done to just redo the old one with the same pose but new coloring. I personally know a few close friends who would be devestated, and one who has dealt with two of the revamps on her own pets.
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<br>The revamp just does not have the personality of the telenine. It's like a Bratz doll only with detachable legs instead of feet. o.o
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<br>The shading is beautiful, some of the best I've seen. I truly like the detail but the pose should return to the old.
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<br>Granted I never owned a telenine but admired them from afar really.
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<br>I voted old, I like the older better and I know how many users would be quite upset... this site may be run by staff, but the users influence it a lot more than I think we are given credit for. We donate by buying potions and soforth as well as gold accounts to help pay to keep the site running because we love it.
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<br>Staff fluxuates(sp?) and their likes are always changing and so is the art that is produced. Granted, as the poll looks now, the revamp holds about 69% of the vote. Which in some ways I believe voting in such polls should be limited to a certain age as much as abandoning a pet does. Only those who have stuck around should vote... maybe we'd get better outcomes.
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<br>Sorry, I mean no offence to anyone, but the art is beautiful but it's completely changed. None of it's old personality is there. I'm pretty sure this revamp will go through, but I can easily say a lot of people will get upset about this... <img src=/images/smilies/6398_emoticon_sweatdrop.gif border=0>
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<br>It can be done to just redo the old one with the same pose but new coloring. I personally know a few close friends who would be devestated, and one who has dealt with two of the revamps on her own pets.
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<br>The revamp just does not have the personality of the telenine. It's like a Bratz doll only with detachable legs instead of feet. o.o
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<br>The shading is beautiful, some of the best I've seen. I truly like the detail but the pose should return to the old.
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<br>Granted I never owned a telenine but admired them from afar really.
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<br>I voted old, I like the older better and I know how many users would be quite upset... this site may be run by staff, but the users influence it a lot more than I think we are given credit for. We donate by buying potions and soforth as well as gold accounts to help pay to keep the site running because we love it.
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<br>Staff fluxuates(sp?) and their likes are always changing and so is the art that is produced. Granted, as the poll looks now, the revamp holds about 69% of the vote. Which in some ways I believe voting in such polls should be limited to a certain age as much as abandoning a pet does. Only those who have stuck around should vote... maybe we'd get better outcomes.
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<br>Sorry, I mean no offence to anyone, but the art is beautiful but it's completely changed. None of it's old personality is there. I'm pretty sure this revamp will go through, but I can easily say a lot of people will get upset about this... <img src=/images/smilies/6398_emoticon_sweatdrop.gif border=0>
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I prefer the snarky attitude of the old one... The art for this revamp is good, no doubt, but it's lost the feel that I loved about the older version. Others have pointed out any criticisms I could make regarding anatomy and the like, so I won't go there... Bwuh. <img src=/images/smilies/6398_emoticon_dead.gif border=0> I will be very disappointed of this revamp takes place; Binh just wouldn't be the same... I hope the BR telenines won't get changed either, as I just turned Cohelo...
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Ugh. Dx And just a week or two ago, I bought my friend a BloodRed Telenine Elixir.. x__o She doesn't like the new ones, either. If they change the BR Telenines, I'll go nuts along with her.
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<3 I hope the artist doesn't get offended by my voting for the old one. I absolutely LOVE how this one was drawn. ^^! But, I think the new one lost the personality that I valued a lot in the old Telenine. <3 It was the sweet goofy smirky face that made me sell my soul to the telenine in the first place! <333349. (and if the revamp made it through, Shikaku's attitude wouldn't fit anymore. Of course, I could always draw personal fitting pictures of him for myself, but I'd much rather it be on the whole site. *hides*)
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<br>Tsume's Telenines are bee-ah-u-tee-ful. <3 But I just don't think this one fits. I'd agree that more people will vote for it if it's redrawn in the same pose with the same adorable grin and eyes. n_____n With the new shading and new lineart, of course. ^^. And with Tsume's awesome touch. <img src=/images/smilies/6398_emoticon_grin.gif border=0>
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<br>Tsume's Telenines are bee-ah-u-tee-ful. <3 But I just don't think this one fits. I'd agree that more people will vote for it if it's redrawn in the same pose with the same adorable grin and eyes. n_____n With the new shading and new lineart, of course. ^^. And with Tsume's awesome touch. <img src=/images/smilies/6398_emoticon_grin.gif border=0>
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I personally traced the telenine design and...it didn't come out GOOD or anything but the artist could try, no? ... meh.
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<br><a href="/redirect.php?url=http%3A%2F%2Fimg.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fv434%2FRapytur%2FTelenine-Linearts.jpg" target="_new">Here.</a>
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<br>I dunno what the big deal is though...
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<br>I dunno what the big deal is though...
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I see your point Cyde. Good convincing.
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i voted old, for several reasons.
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<br>the new one, while very beautifully colored, has several anatomy flaws. they've been mentioned several times already, so i won't repeat them. also, the new one has none of the personality that was in the old one.
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<br>as has been suggested already, i think the old one should simply be recolored, instead of completely redrawing it.
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<br>the new one, while very beautifully colored, has several anatomy flaws. they've been mentioned several times already, so i won't repeat them. also, the new one has none of the personality that was in the old one.
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<br>as has been suggested already, i think the old one should simply be recolored, instead of completely redrawing it.
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<b>Quote:</b><blockquote style="padding:5px; line-height:15px; background-color: #FAFFFF; border: 1px solid #000000; font-family: georgia; font-size: 10;">Anyway, I vote Tsume traces Lycan's design and recolours it!
<br>I think that would be a happy medium. </blockquote>
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<br>I think that's the best suggestion, and others have said that as well.
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<br>Perhaps we could get a version of the Tele like that, and re-do the poll with 3 choices (leave as is/old pose with new lineart/shading/totally ne version)?
<br>I think that would be a happy medium. </blockquote>
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<br>I think that's the best suggestion, and others have said that as well.
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<br>Perhaps we could get a version of the Tele like that, and re-do the poll with 3 choices (leave as is/old pose with new lineart/shading/totally ne version)?
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Anyway, I vote Tsume traces Lycan's design and recolours it!
<br>I think that would be a happy medium.
<br>I think that would be a happy medium.
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Well it's true Kelpie is in charge of art now as that's her job...and she's said to me before she disliked Lycan's style...I'm not certain if she said she hated it...but something to the effect of deeply disliking it.
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I hadn't pinned the look of the new one's eyes to be depressed, but you're right Quetzel. I related it to being sedated. My boyfriend's pointed out to me how the new one looks more dominant (which is why he likes it), but to me, it doesn't look dominant on purpose; just like it's had it's picture taken while it's sedated, just before it stumbles into another awkward pose. The old one, however submissive it is with it's sitting down and it's head tilted, looks like it means to be that way, thus drawing it together with far more power and potentional and it's character.
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Subeta's 'style' seems to have changed rapidly since a new bunch or artists joined...it's quite worrying because a lot of the art getting revamped was the reason a lot of people joined this site <img src=/images/smilies/6398_emoticon_sad.gif border=0>
<br>I guess most of the old pets will be changed now...if the current telenine isn't subeta style anymore then I except all evee1's pets to be redrawn soon <img src=/images/smilies/6398_emoticon_sad.gif border=0>
<br>I guess most of the old pets will be changed now...if the current telenine isn't subeta style anymore then I except all evee1's pets to be redrawn soon <img src=/images/smilies/6398_emoticon_sad.gif border=0>
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<b>Quote:</b><blockquote style="padding:5px; line-height:15px; background-color: #FAFFFF; border: 1px solid #000000; font-family: georgia; font-size: 10;">This telenine looks like I'm about to run over it with a pickup truck. Can we say, "Deer in headlights?" I don't like the gaze and it looks a bit depressed.</blockquote>
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<br>Yeah, and the old one looks like it's driving that pickup <img src=/images/smilies/6398_emoticon_raspberry.gif border=0> that's why I liked it so much heehee
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<br>Yeah, and the old one looks like it's driving that pickup <img src=/images/smilies/6398_emoticon_raspberry.gif border=0> that's why I liked it so much heehee
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Quetzal
I sure hope that isn't true, Dickie. <img src=/images/smilies/6398_emoticon_sad.gif border=0>
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"Kelpie said she doesn't like Lycan's style...in fact I think she said she hated it...and Kelpie's in charge of art now :/"
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Kelpie said she doesn't like Lycan's style...in fact I think she said she hated it...and Kelpie's in charge of art now :/
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"...and now I'm noticing all of her pets getting redrawn (I bet antlephore's next)."
<br>Oh gosh. x__o If my antlephores are merely touched, I'm going to flip. ;-;
<br>Oh gosh. x__o If my antlephores are merely touched, I'm going to flip. ;-;
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Hemp I disagree.
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<br>I think that almost unanimously Telenine owners would accept an identical image eyes/mouth/pose included, with updated lineart and shading.
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<br>Theres not a single person here who would say the *style* of the art fits in with Subeta. Everyone recognises that its outdated and needs to change.
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<br>Thats your example, you're right, everyone should get a vote between old thin lineart, or new nice lineart.
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<br>HOWEVER, only Telenine owners should get to vote on substantial changes to the personality of the pet. There is no "subeta style" for personalities, we should be aiming to have our pets in as many different personalities as possible, hence a standard "style" would be counter productive.
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<br>The personality of this telenine has (apparently) (Im not a Telenine owner so I wouldnt know) been changed in the eyes and mouth, aswell as the pose. And that is where my example comes in. The pose of a pet doesnt affect anyone who doesnt own one. As long as the new image, be it new or old pose, has the new lineart and shading style thats all non owners need to care about.
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<br>I think that almost unanimously Telenine owners would accept an identical image eyes/mouth/pose included, with updated lineart and shading.
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<br>Theres not a single person here who would say the *style* of the art fits in with Subeta. Everyone recognises that its outdated and needs to change.
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<br>Thats your example, you're right, everyone should get a vote between old thin lineart, or new nice lineart.
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<br>HOWEVER, only Telenine owners should get to vote on substantial changes to the personality of the pet. There is no "subeta style" for personalities, we should be aiming to have our pets in as many different personalities as possible, hence a standard "style" would be counter productive.
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<br>The personality of this telenine has (apparently) (Im not a Telenine owner so I wouldnt know) been changed in the eyes and mouth, aswell as the pose. And that is where my example comes in. The pose of a pet doesnt affect anyone who doesnt own one. As long as the new image, be it new or old pose, has the new lineart and shading style thats all non owners need to care about.
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<b>Quote:</b><blockquote style="padding:5px; line-height:15px; background-color: #FAFFFF; border: 1px solid #000000; font-family: georgia; font-size: 10;">LMAO Steen, same here. I also really miss Lycan's art....Lycan was the first artist I fell in love with on the site (the two pets I loved the best when I joined were telenines and antlephores)....and now I'm noticing all of her pets getting redrawn (I bet antlephore's next). But then again, I can kind of accept that....the art style of Subeta just isn't cartoony anymore, I guess. Which is simultaneously refreshing and a little sad. I really don't know how I feel about that. In fact....I think I'm going to make a board topic about that....</blockquote>
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<br>Yeah, she's one of the few that can achieve the "Western cartoony style" well. She was, or shall I say, is, one of my favorite artists.
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<br>I wouldn't be surprised if the antlephore was revamped.
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<br>Yeah, she's one of the few that can achieve the "Western cartoony style" well. She was, or shall I say, is, one of my favorite artists.
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<br>I wouldn't be surprised if the antlephore was revamped.
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<b>Quote:</b><blockquote style="padding:5px; line-height:15px; background-color: #FAFFFF; border: 1px solid #000000; font-family: georgia; font-size: 10;">I'm sorry, but this one is not right. I'm going to miss Lycan's cartoony style.
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<br>This telenine looks like I'm about to run over it with a pickup truck. Can we say, "Deer in headlights?" I don't like the gaze and it looks a bit depressed.
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<br>The highlights are off too. The way it's done on the thighs... to me, it makes it look flat. I'm also picky about that random shine near the snout.
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<br>The tummy fur and the main fur near the stomach is badly separated. It just looks like someone went in with an eraser and erased it off, rather than lining it and tapering.
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<br>But with that out of the way, it's still well drawn. I just can't stand the gaze, the others I can live with.
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<br>The old one got my vote.</blockquote>
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<br>LMAO Steen, same here. I also really miss Lycan's art....Lycan was the first artist I fell in love with on the site (the two pets I loved the best when I joined were telenines and antlephores)....and now I'm noticing all of her pets getting redrawn (I bet antlephore's next). But then again, I can kind of accept that....the art style of Subeta just isn't cartoony anymore, I guess. Which is simultaneously refreshing and a little sad. I really don't know how I feel about that. In fact....I think I'm going to make a board topic about that....
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<br>This telenine looks like I'm about to run over it with a pickup truck. Can we say, "Deer in headlights?" I don't like the gaze and it looks a bit depressed.
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<br>The highlights are off too. The way it's done on the thighs... to me, it makes it look flat. I'm also picky about that random shine near the snout.
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<br>The tummy fur and the main fur near the stomach is badly separated. It just looks like someone went in with an eraser and erased it off, rather than lining it and tapering.
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<br>But with that out of the way, it's still well drawn. I just can't stand the gaze, the others I can live with.
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<br>The old one got my vote.</blockquote>
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<br>LMAO Steen, same here. I also really miss Lycan's art....Lycan was the first artist I fell in love with on the site (the two pets I loved the best when I joined were telenines and antlephores)....and now I'm noticing all of her pets getting redrawn (I bet antlephore's next). But then again, I can kind of accept that....the art style of Subeta just isn't cartoony anymore, I guess. Which is simultaneously refreshing and a little sad. I really don't know how I feel about that. In fact....I think I'm going to make a board topic about that....
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I guess this revamp is going through, in which case I won't be getting my cream telenine. x__o And they were so awesome.. ;-;
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This is one of the few times I've voted for the old version of a pet over a revamp... I mean, the revamp's art is lovely, but the personality is completely different.
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And.
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<br>If you want to see what running over a deer is like, go watch Tommy Boy.
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<br>Don't go running over deer with a pickup truck. D:
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<br>If you want to see what running over a deer is like, go watch Tommy Boy.
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<br>Don't go running over deer with a pickup truck. D:
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I don't think a comparison of Americans voting in New Zealand is a fair comparison..It's more like, Americans voting in America, about making smoking illegal in resteraunts. Let's ignore the fact that smoking is bad for your health, that's not the comparison intended with this example. To disclude the people who don't smoke, or the people who do, wouldn't make any sense; it's to better the environment people wish to live in (whether that be for smoking or against). Same with pet redraws; we're all here, we all see/support/spread/entertain the same images. The more votes you have, the more likely new users who join will be satisfied with what Subeta has to offer; people who already have telenines, though their votes are perfectly valid, do have one potentional flaw: Sentimental or emotional attachment. That's not a bad thing, and valueable constructive critisism can come from it, but their votes shouldn't be the only ones either.
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Starting to like a revamp more because people disliked it is pretty immature.
<br>Yes, I think Tsume should be given a chance to re-redraw the telenine but that doesn't mean this one should go through.
<br>Maybe the same people dislike revamps because those people care very much about the art of subeta.
<br>Yes, I think Tsume should be given a chance to re-redraw the telenine but that doesn't mean this one should go through.
<br>Maybe the same people dislike revamps because those people care very much about the art of subeta.
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I'm sorry, but this one is not right. I'm going to miss Lycan's cartoony style. <img src=/images/smilies/6398_emoticon_sad.gif border=0>
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<br>This telenine looks like I'm about to run over it with a pickup truck. Can we say, "Deer in headlights?" I don't like the gaze and it looks a bit depressed.
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<br>The highlights are off too. The way it's done on the thighs... to me, it makes it look flat. I'm also picky about that random shine near the snout.
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<br>The tummy fur and the main fur near the stomach is badly separated. It just looks like someone went in with an eraser and erased it off, rather than lining it and tapering.
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<br>But with that out of the way, it's still well drawn. I just can't stand the gaze, the others I can live with.
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<br>The old one got my vote.
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<br>This telenine looks like I'm about to run over it with a pickup truck. Can we say, "Deer in headlights?" I don't like the gaze and it looks a bit depressed.
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<br>The highlights are off too. The way it's done on the thighs... to me, it makes it look flat. I'm also picky about that random shine near the snout.
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<br>The tummy fur and the main fur near the stomach is badly separated. It just looks like someone went in with an eraser and erased it off, rather than lining it and tapering.
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<br>But with that out of the way, it's still well drawn. I just can't stand the gaze, the others I can live with.
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<br>The old one got my vote.
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Hemp, actually, at the time the old kerubi was winning and the new lineart one had been released before the poll :p
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<br>Cyde's right about how the polls are tainted *clings to his telenines* D:
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<br>And it's not just the same telenine in a different pose...it's as if someone <i>dressed</i> like keith wit hthe same hair and clothes stood up as opposed to sat down.
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<br>Cyde's right about how the polls are tainted *clings to his telenines* D:
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<br>And it's not just the same telenine in a different pose...it's as if someone <i>dressed</i> like keith wit hthe same hair and clothes stood up as opposed to sat down.
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<b>Quote:</b><blockquote style="padding:5px; line-height:15px; background-color: #FAFFFF; border: 1px solid #000000; font-family: georgia; font-size: 10;">Posted by Aleks
<br>Eeep. I like the new art style, but... I loved the old one's disposition. I'd like it more if the Teli kept the same pose and expression, just with shiny new art. </blockquote>
<br>I agree with this.
<br>Eeep. I like the new art style, but... I loved the old one's disposition. I'd like it more if the Teli kept the same pose and expression, just with shiny new art. </blockquote>
<br>I agree with this.
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hum. i like how you're all assuming that telly owners aren't for this revamp.
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<br>i'm a telly owner. i'm starting to LIKE the revamp, the more and more you people hate it. and you know what? i hope it does go through. Tsume is a wonderful artist, and i think she shold be gioven the chance to wow us, like she has with the spectrum telly. With a few tweaks.. this revamp could be amazing.
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<br>but i'm starting to see a trend. :/ it seems EVERY revamp, i'm seeing the same people over and over refusing to accept it.. ..
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<br>i'm a telly owner. i'm starting to LIKE the revamp, the more and more you people hate it. and you know what? i hope it does go through. Tsume is a wonderful artist, and i think she shold be gioven the chance to wow us, like she has with the spectrum telly. With a few tweaks.. this revamp could be amazing.
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<br>but i'm starting to see a trend. :/ it seems EVERY revamp, i'm seeing the same people over and over refusing to accept it.. ..
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OK, telenines are possibly my favorite pets, so I'm going to spend some time commenting here. First, other comments people (I forget names) have said which I agree with:
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<br><b>Quote:</b><blockquote style="padding:5px; line-height:15px; background-color: #FAFFFF; border: 1px solid #000000; font-family: georgia; font-size: 10;">The only other thing that niggles me a little bit is the little spike of fur under the tummy - the body's already looking very stocky and rectangular, and I don't really think personally that the little spike helps. Even if the point after the spike were brought up a little (to make the chest deeper than the back end, as is typical with most predatory types) I think it'd help. ^^;; </blockquote>
<br> --I concur about that, I think that's the only real anatomy issue *I* see that bugs me.
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<br><b>Quote:</b><blockquote style="padding:5px; line-height:15px; background-color: #FAFFFF; border: 1px solid #000000; font-family: georgia; font-size: 10;">Oddly, jess, I think the original looked more professional...this one would be wonderful if it was a commision but it really looks like it belongs on one of the other petsites</blockquote>
<br> --I don't agree completely that it looks like it belongs elsewhere--I think the shading is in style with the other pets--but it DOES seem more like a commission piece than the generic pet itself. It just doesn't seem to encapsulate the character I have in mind for the telenine.
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<br><b>Quote:</b><blockquote style="padding:5px; line-height:15px; background-color: #FAFFFF; border: 1px solid #000000; font-family: georgia; font-size: 10;">But whatever, if suggestions -are- getting noticed, here's mine. Recolor the old pose with the same coloring/shading of the new pose and let the people decide from there. And before anyone asks, reason why I'm suggesting this is because the majority will just vote for the new one because it's all -shiney-. They probably don't want/or own a Telenine so they don't care how it effects fans of the breed.
<br>Most of the time it's the lack of shiney scales/skin/fur that causes the old ones to lose the polls. Update the old one to the same shading/color standards but keep the old pose, will make the poll that much fairer and even</blockquote>
<br>--I concur, I think that would make the fairest poll, especially considering the current popularity of the telenines.
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<br><b>Quote:</b><blockquote style="padding:5px; line-height:15px; background-color: #FAFFFF; border: 1px solid #000000; font-family: georgia; font-size: 10;">There's something mischevious about the way the old Tele "smirked" (esp the DM one), and I just don't see that on the new design, and that bothers me. The ENTIRE reason I made my pet Arucard a Tele was for that smirk. If there's no smirk, I'm gonna have to make him something else or adopt him away</blockquote>
<br> --I agree 100%, it was the expression that sold me on the old telenine and that's the single thing I really wanted to see on the revamp.
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<br><b>Quote:</b><blockquote style="padding:5px; line-height:15px; background-color: #FAFFFF; border: 1px solid #000000; font-family: georgia; font-size: 10;">Revamps are not made to make users happy, rather to better the site. The new Telenines, Spectrum, Reborn, and Hydrus, are so, so lovely, and most everyone loves them, but let’s face it, the old style, and the new colors did not fit together at all. They looked almost like different species to me, and the new revamp makes the Telenine fit in with the new Telenine. You have to pick a revamp not because it fits your personal tastes better, but rather the style of the site. Subeta needs to be consistent to look professional, at least I think so.</blockquote>
<br> --I also agree here, I've known there would be a revamp ever since I saw the spectrum telenine, and I support that--we DO need one--but I don't think this one quite hit it on the mark.
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<br><b>Quote:</b><blockquote style="padding:5px; line-height:15px; background-color: #FAFFFF; border: 1px solid #000000; font-family: georgia; font-size: 10;">Isn't this a rather drastic change for a pet that's already quite popular?</blockquote>
<br>--I think so. Again, it might be better to update the lineart and do prettier shading on the old pet first, to really spot out the problem areas between the two.
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<br>OK, now, my own two cents. First off, Tsume, I love your art, and I blatantly refuse to insult you because honestly....this redraw isn't as bad as people are making it out to be. I'm unhappy with it, but it could be MUCH worse. Now then, here's what I say:
<br>--The shading is fine. I do agree with the comments about the shading on that hindleg, and the transition between back and bellyfur on the side is awkward, but otherwise it looks beautiful.
<br>--The pose is fine. I actually kind of like that this pose is more dynamic. I would prefer if the stomach sloped upward more into the loins, to give it a more deep-chested look--that would make it seem less boxy.
<br>--The smaller spikes and bigger fangs honestly don't bother me. I think they look fine....then again, neither one was a feature I got my current telenine for--in fact, I got my telenine specifically for ONE reason:
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<br>The expression.
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<br>That's the single most important thing about the telenine in my eyes, and judging from comments I've read, in other people's eyes too.
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<br>I DO like the eyes on this; I think if the eyebrows were arched more, it would help--the current expression is just a bit too serious. Looking at it further, it's not so much that the grin isn't there, it's just that it isn't accented; I think the lower jaw is too big. Ideally, the fang would be where it is now, and the line of the mouth would dip down slightly before dipping back up--that would solve the size of the jaw as well as giving more depth to the smile. I'd also like to see the hair atop the head be spikier, more like the original.
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<br>So that's what I say. Honestly, the more I look at it the better I feel about the redraw; I'd just like to see it slimmed a little, and make it look more mischievous. That was my problem (as Tsume already knows XD) with all of the new telenines--they were all missing that signature grin. I DO agree that the colors all need revamping, though; personally, sun is one of the only ones I can really stand. (Sun, twilight, and cream are the only original colors I like, but oh how I love them).
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<br>I'm also going to assume that the new arid telenine will actually be white? It always seemed weird to me that the arid telenine was black with white, when all the others were white with black....man I bet there will be some arid tellie owners not happy with that.
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<br>Anyway, this is running too long. My apologies for my wordiness
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<br><b>Quote:</b><blockquote style="padding:5px; line-height:15px; background-color: #FAFFFF; border: 1px solid #000000; font-family: georgia; font-size: 10;">The only other thing that niggles me a little bit is the little spike of fur under the tummy - the body's already looking very stocky and rectangular, and I don't really think personally that the little spike helps. Even if the point after the spike were brought up a little (to make the chest deeper than the back end, as is typical with most predatory types) I think it'd help. ^^;; </blockquote>
<br> --I concur about that, I think that's the only real anatomy issue *I* see that bugs me.
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<br><b>Quote:</b><blockquote style="padding:5px; line-height:15px; background-color: #FAFFFF; border: 1px solid #000000; font-family: georgia; font-size: 10;">Oddly, jess, I think the original looked more professional...this one would be wonderful if it was a commision but it really looks like it belongs on one of the other petsites</blockquote>
<br> --I don't agree completely that it looks like it belongs elsewhere--I think the shading is in style with the other pets--but it DOES seem more like a commission piece than the generic pet itself. It just doesn't seem to encapsulate the character I have in mind for the telenine.
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<br><b>Quote:</b><blockquote style="padding:5px; line-height:15px; background-color: #FAFFFF; border: 1px solid #000000; font-family: georgia; font-size: 10;">But whatever, if suggestions -are- getting noticed, here's mine. Recolor the old pose with the same coloring/shading of the new pose and let the people decide from there. And before anyone asks, reason why I'm suggesting this is because the majority will just vote for the new one because it's all -shiney-. They probably don't want/or own a Telenine so they don't care how it effects fans of the breed.
<br>Most of the time it's the lack of shiney scales/skin/fur that causes the old ones to lose the polls. Update the old one to the same shading/color standards but keep the old pose, will make the poll that much fairer and even</blockquote>
<br>--I concur, I think that would make the fairest poll, especially considering the current popularity of the telenines.
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<br><b>Quote:</b><blockquote style="padding:5px; line-height:15px; background-color: #FAFFFF; border: 1px solid #000000; font-family: georgia; font-size: 10;">There's something mischevious about the way the old Tele "smirked" (esp the DM one), and I just don't see that on the new design, and that bothers me. The ENTIRE reason I made my pet Arucard a Tele was for that smirk. If there's no smirk, I'm gonna have to make him something else or adopt him away</blockquote>
<br> --I agree 100%, it was the expression that sold me on the old telenine and that's the single thing I really wanted to see on the revamp.
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<br><b>Quote:</b><blockquote style="padding:5px; line-height:15px; background-color: #FAFFFF; border: 1px solid #000000; font-family: georgia; font-size: 10;">Revamps are not made to make users happy, rather to better the site. The new Telenines, Spectrum, Reborn, and Hydrus, are so, so lovely, and most everyone loves them, but let’s face it, the old style, and the new colors did not fit together at all. They looked almost like different species to me, and the new revamp makes the Telenine fit in with the new Telenine. You have to pick a revamp not because it fits your personal tastes better, but rather the style of the site. Subeta needs to be consistent to look professional, at least I think so.</blockquote>
<br> --I also agree here, I've known there would be a revamp ever since I saw the spectrum telenine, and I support that--we DO need one--but I don't think this one quite hit it on the mark.
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<br><b>Quote:</b><blockquote style="padding:5px; line-height:15px; background-color: #FAFFFF; border: 1px solid #000000; font-family: georgia; font-size: 10;">Isn't this a rather drastic change for a pet that's already quite popular?</blockquote>
<br>--I think so. Again, it might be better to update the lineart and do prettier shading on the old pet first, to really spot out the problem areas between the two.
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<br>OK, now, my own two cents. First off, Tsume, I love your art, and I blatantly refuse to insult you because honestly....this redraw isn't as bad as people are making it out to be. I'm unhappy with it, but it could be MUCH worse. Now then, here's what I say:
<br>--The shading is fine. I do agree with the comments about the shading on that hindleg, and the transition between back and bellyfur on the side is awkward, but otherwise it looks beautiful.
<br>--The pose is fine. I actually kind of like that this pose is more dynamic. I would prefer if the stomach sloped upward more into the loins, to give it a more deep-chested look--that would make it seem less boxy.
<br>--The smaller spikes and bigger fangs honestly don't bother me. I think they look fine....then again, neither one was a feature I got my current telenine for--in fact, I got my telenine specifically for ONE reason:
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<br>The expression.
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<br>That's the single most important thing about the telenine in my eyes, and judging from comments I've read, in other people's eyes too.
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<br>I DO like the eyes on this; I think if the eyebrows were arched more, it would help--the current expression is just a bit too serious. Looking at it further, it's not so much that the grin isn't there, it's just that it isn't accented; I think the lower jaw is too big. Ideally, the fang would be where it is now, and the line of the mouth would dip down slightly before dipping back up--that would solve the size of the jaw as well as giving more depth to the smile. I'd also like to see the hair atop the head be spikier, more like the original.
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<br>So that's what I say. Honestly, the more I look at it the better I feel about the redraw; I'd just like to see it slimmed a little, and make it look more mischievous. That was my problem (as Tsume already knows XD) with all of the new telenines--they were all missing that signature grin. I DO agree that the colors all need revamping, though; personally, sun is one of the only ones I can really stand. (Sun, twilight, and cream are the only original colors I like, but oh how I love them).
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<br>I'm also going to assume that the new arid telenine will actually be white? It always seemed weird to me that the arid telenine was black with white, when all the others were white with black....man I bet there will be some arid tellie owners not happy with that.
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<br>Anyway, this is running too long. My apologies for my wordiness
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I appreciate the reminder that users get to vote at -all- on revamps, Jessyta.
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<br>Also, about the staff being predisposed to whether the revamp or the old pet will be used:
<br>The revamp for the Kerubi technically won, but the call was so close that the staff chose instead to touch up the shading and lineart of the old Kerubi.
<br>The revamp for the Kumos, as someone has already mentioned, didn't go through.
<br>It would be the right of the staff to make the final decision, as they have the human power to consider what's said and suggested here, unlike a poll that only counts mouse clicks; that doesn't mean they'll automatically go for the revamp.
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<br>Also, about the staff being predisposed to whether the revamp or the old pet will be used:
<br>The revamp for the Kerubi technically won, but the call was so close that the staff chose instead to touch up the shading and lineart of the old Kerubi.
<br>The revamp for the Kumos, as someone has already mentioned, didn't go through.
<br>It would be the right of the staff to make the final decision, as they have the human power to consider what's said and suggested here, unlike a poll that only counts mouse clicks; that doesn't mean they'll automatically go for the revamp.
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Well Shaggy, in comparison to some of the recent ones. A cat bell around the neck (WTF?), changing the escalades helmet and eliminating the main forward spike, turning the Bovyne into a cow/Rhino hybrid, this one has *VERY* minor feature changes <img src=/images/smilies/6398_emoticon_raspberry.gif border=0>
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"theres no change to *features*"
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<br>What about the smirk? Is that not a feature? Or the ginormous, mischevious eyes? These eyes don't show alot of emotion, if you ask me...
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<br>I do agree with you though, that they should just re-line/color/shade the old pose. I think I'd like that alot better.
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<br>What about the smirk? Is that not a feature? Or the ginormous, mischevious eyes? These eyes don't show alot of emotion, if you ask me...
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<br>I do agree with you though, that they should just re-line/color/shade the old pose. I think I'd like that alot better.
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*voted new* Hee! If the new version gets through, I'll be considering getting a Telenine very soon~
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<br>The old version is far too goofy looking for my taste. I prefer the 'realistic' look.
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<br>The old version is far too goofy looking for my taste. I prefer the 'realistic' look.
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Cydewinder
That being said, as far as the recent revamps go this ones is certainly one of the better ones. It is just a change of pose, theres no change to *features*, and no extra features/the artists own take on the telenine.
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<br>It is a faithful revamp. Yet one has to wonder if the *pose* needs changing. It seems to me it was just the lineart and coloring that was offensive to Subeta style, and perhaps a redraw as opposed to a revamp was more in order.
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<br>It is a faithful revamp. Yet one has to wonder if the *pose* needs changing. It seems to me it was just the lineart and coloring that was offensive to Subeta style, and perhaps a redraw as opposed to a revamp was more in order.
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kittaly
kazii this was posted by Tsume ealier today.
<br>"i did do the spectrum, reborn, and hydrus.... so theey definitely will not be changing... if anyone else is wondering on that too."
<br>"i did do the spectrum, reborn, and hydrus.... so theey definitely will not be changing... if anyone else is wondering on that too."
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Keith, by saying it's not a Telenine, I think people are referring more to it's assumed personality based on things like facial expressions, the way it's eyes look, ect.
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<br>The new pose seems (to me at least) to be lacking that wild, mischevious look and emotion, in comparison with the old version...
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<br>It' be like taking a picture of you in, say, a suit all ready for an interview instead of the emo-ness that we usually see <img src=/images/smilies/6398_emoticon_raspberry.gif border=0>
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<br>The new pose seems (to me at least) to be lacking that wild, mischevious look and emotion, in comparison with the old version...
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<br>It' be like taking a picture of you in, say, a suit all ready for an interview instead of the emo-ness that we usually see <img src=/images/smilies/6398_emoticon_raspberry.gif border=0>
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If this revamp does go through, I really like everything except for the fact that the paws are all different sizes and the spikes hang on end. And the spiked shading on the stomach doesn't fit with the rest. Other than that, I find everything else great.
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Cydewinder
Dont misquote me brenton.
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<br>The point I was making, which I make on every revamp news post, is that I strongly believe polls about revamps should only count votes from current owners of the revamped pet.
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<br>Asking everyone would be like New Zealand letting Americans vote in our elections, based on the assumption that those Americans *might* move here if they like the new Government. Its ridiculous and terrible statistics.
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<br>Hence, the polls are tainted and inaccurate, the staff know this, the staff also know that the owners of any given pet are the ones likely to oppose to a revamp, and they are at any given time in the minority. As a result, almost without fail the new pet wins.
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<br>THAT is what I said to you, not that the staff do whatever they want regardless of results. Its just set up in such a cunning way the results agree with the staffs opinion <img src=/images/smilies/6398_emoticon_raspberry.gif border=0>
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<br>The point I was making, which I make on every revamp news post, is that I strongly believe polls about revamps should only count votes from current owners of the revamped pet.
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<br>Asking everyone would be like New Zealand letting Americans vote in our elections, based on the assumption that those Americans *might* move here if they like the new Government. Its ridiculous and terrible statistics.
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<br>Hence, the polls are tainted and inaccurate, the staff know this, the staff also know that the owners of any given pet are the ones likely to oppose to a revamp, and they are at any given time in the minority. As a result, almost without fail the new pet wins.
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<br>THAT is what I said to you, not that the staff do whatever they want regardless of results. Its just set up in such a cunning way the results agree with the staffs opinion <img src=/images/smilies/6398_emoticon_raspberry.gif border=0>
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First off, I just want to say that Tsume, you did an amazing job. Honestly, if I had half your skills my art teacher would faint and figure out that I really hate her projects. The head looks so perfect and the coloring is... wow. How did you do that?
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<br>But even though the new one is really well done, I voted for the old one. The new is just... too big of a change. The revamp should be somewhat the same because when people adopted this pet, they didn't think "aslkfj it's so ugly!", they thought "Wow, I love this pet!" (I hope xD)
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<br>But even though the new one is really well done, I voted for the old one. The new is just... too big of a change. The revamp should be somewhat the same because when people adopted this pet, they didn't think "aslkfj it's so ugly!", they thought "Wow, I love this pet!" (I hope xD)
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JESSYTA
As Tsume already stated in one of the earlier comments, if the revamp does go thru, the Spectrum, Reborn and Hydrus Telenines will not be effected.
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Kazii, Tsume drew the Spectrum Telenine and it was drawn recently so I don't think they'll be changing it < 3
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Man now I'm kicking myself that I didn't ponder over this poll more. I jumped too quickly into voting for the New one. True, it fits with the style of Subeta at this time, but I do feel that the old one had more personality. And being an artist myself, I find quite a few anatomical errors that I can't get past either. Tsume is really a wonderful artist and I love what they've done with the Spectrum Telenine and Reborn Montre but some other pets they have drawn have anatomy errors that were quite visible. I agree and say that the old one should be relined and reshaded.
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Keith
I don't understand how a chance of pose, and eyes, makes it 'not a telenine'.
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<br>I sit up, and I sit down. thus changing my pose. If I take a picture of myself sitting, adn a picture of me standing, which is 'Keith'?
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<br>And, then. I wear color contacts. Does that make me not 'Keith'?
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<br>I sit up, and I sit down. thus changing my pose. If I take a picture of myself sitting, adn a picture of me standing, which is 'Keith'?
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<br>And, then. I wear color contacts. Does that make me not 'Keith'?
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For those of you complaining about all of us "bashing and in martian cheese merchant ing" the artists, have you read even half the posts here?
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<br>Most of us DO give valid reasons for disliking the proposed revamp, and even compliment the artist at the same time. Please don't lump us all in with 1 or 2 users that don't. And if people just plain don't like the new one at all, many of them have posted why as well...try reading some more posts.
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<br>Most of us DO give valid reasons for disliking the proposed revamp, and even compliment the artist at the same time. Please don't lump us all in with 1 or 2 users that don't. And if people just plain don't like the new one at all, many of them have posted why as well...try reading some more posts.
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fine ill tell you, i dont like the pose and i find that they should just give each person a choice on wich they want to keep.. its a good pic but i wouldnt want it as my pet
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kazii
"honestly i dont think that ex staff should have athourity obvessily if there ex then they did something to get them booted off , i mean whats the point of putting up a poll if there just going to change it anyway? "
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<br>You just contradicted yourself.
<br>You said not to believe the ex-staff.
<br>The ex-staff said they would change it reguardless.
<br>But you just said that. x_o
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<br>Once again-Anyone know if they're changing the Spectrum Tele? ^^
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<br>You just contradicted yourself.
<br>You said not to believe the ex-staff.
<br>The ex-staff said they would change it reguardless.
<br>But you just said that. x_o
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<br>Once again-Anyone know if they're changing the Spectrum Tele? ^^
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Rainbow_Muffin
I really love this, I truly do. But it really doesn't seem 'Telenine--y' oO
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<br>What NoirRaven has stated about doing the same coloring just on the old pose of the Teley, sounds actually pretty even and fair. Alot of people seemed to have adopted a Telenine for that devious little smirk they have. That's why I had adopted Demente. He's completely insane so the smirk worked for him. Expesicially once(hopefully) he is turned Dark Matter. The smirk is just BANG awsome...tada?
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<br>Again, this is truly awsome in many ways. But as many have stated, it's just not Telenine. ^^;;
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<br>But then again, yall can just ignore my little comment. Since many people have said the same thing.
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<br>What NoirRaven has stated about doing the same coloring just on the old pose of the Teley, sounds actually pretty even and fair. Alot of people seemed to have adopted a Telenine for that devious little smirk they have. That's why I had adopted Demente. He's completely insane so the smirk worked for him. Expesicially once(hopefully) he is turned Dark Matter. The smirk is just BANG awsome...tada?
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<br>Again, this is truly awsome in many ways. But as many have stated, it's just not Telenine. ^^;;
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<br>But then again, yall can just ignore my little comment. Since many people have said the same thing.
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yes well i tend to speak my mind so really theres no use in trying to stop , i know when to give up
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Kabuto
-saves the image- its amazing and I like it.... if it gets discounted because too many people are being whiney yet can't even explain WHY they feal a need to WHINE so much, pretty soon we probably won't even GET re-vamps
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If you want to insult the hard work that the artists have put into making this new revamp, no one can stop you- but how about just providing a reason WHY you don't like it, other than 'the old one's better'?
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Keith
Considering there are multiple pets in teh process of being revamped at the moment (and tweaks being added to most of them) I would assume you'd like at that, versus what your 'inside source' is saying.
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<br>Also, I would believe a member who is currently part of the staff (jessyta) over someone who boasts they know how it works.
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<br>Also, I would believe a member who is currently part of the staff (jessyta) over someone who boasts they know how it works.
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honestly i dont think that ex staff should have athourity obvessily if there ex then they did something to get them booted off , i mean whats the point of putting up a poll if there just going to change it anyway?
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Kabuto
Brenton... Keyword... 'were' things are constantly changing, what might have been true when they were admin, may not be now
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...I'm even more disgusted than I was a minute ago. They do give us a say- don't you remember the first kumos revamp poll? They didn't change it, because so many users didn't like it. That they have their mind made up before they put out the poll doesn't mean that they won't consider our opinion- I'm positive that if the new telenine lost by a landslide, there wouldn't be a revamp.
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kazii
If you didn't notice, articwolf, there's a POLL up. So you can CHOOSE which telelnine you like better.
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<b>Quote:</b><blockquote style="padding:5px; line-height:15px; background-color: #FAFFFF; border: 1px solid #000000; font-family: georgia; font-size: 10;">
<br>Considering they are 'ex' staff, I am not sure if the information they are giving you should be considered reliable. But you can believe whatever you want.</blockquote>
<br>Just because theyre ex-staff doesnt mean theyre unreliable, considering they were in the admin position. <img src=/images/smilies/6398_emoticon_grin.gif border=0>
<br>Considering they are 'ex' staff, I am not sure if the information they are giving you should be considered reliable. But you can believe whatever you want.</blockquote>
<br>Just because theyre ex-staff doesnt mean theyre unreliable, considering they were in the admin position. <img src=/images/smilies/6398_emoticon_grin.gif border=0>
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<b>Quote:</b><blockquote style="padding:5px; line-height:15px; background-color: #FAFFFF; border: 1px solid #000000; font-family: georgia; font-size: 10;">peh, i dun like the new telenine why cant they give us more of a warning or at least give us a choice</blockquote>
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<br>Um, the revamp hasn't gone live. The fact that you are being asked to vote is giving you a choice AND warning that it may happen. xD
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<br>Um, the revamp hasn't gone live. The fact that you are being asked to vote is giving you a choice AND warning that it may happen. xD
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<b>Quote:</b><blockquote style="padding:5px; line-height:15px; background-color: #FAFFFF; border: 1px solid #000000; font-family: georgia; font-size: 10;">I have an inside opinion from one of the most important ex-staff about this, and they say that wether or not the polls say that the pet is -or- is not going to be changed, it still will anyway, opinion care? erm...</blockquote>
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<br>Considering they are 'ex' staff, I am not sure if the information they are giving you should be considered reliable. <img src=/images/smilies/6398_emoticon_wink.gif border=0> But you can believe whatever you want.
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<br>Considering they are 'ex' staff, I am not sure if the information they are giving you should be considered reliable. <img src=/images/smilies/6398_emoticon_wink.gif border=0> But you can believe whatever you want.
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people have there own choice of free will we can complain if we want its better too have excitement then always boring solemness but as long as its not too drastic.
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peh, i dun like the new telenine why cant they give us more of a warning or at least give us a choice
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<b>Quote:</b><blockquote style="padding:5px; line-height:15px; background-color: #FAFFFF; border: 1px solid #000000; font-family: georgia; font-size: 10;">Also, who says we have to offer constructive criticism? Saying "yaaaay this is sooo cute" wouldn't be constructive but people are never complained about saying stuff like that .</blockquote>
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<br>Keith did.
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<br><b>Quote:</b><blockquote style="padding:5px; line-height:15px; background-color: #FAFFFF; border: 1px solid #000000; font-family: georgia; font-size: 10;">And, for this and future news posts relating to art, please keep it to constructive critisim.</blockquote>
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<br>That was back when the Torrent revamp was posted, 3/8/06.
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<br>Besides, it's just courtious to give constructive criticism.
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<br>And unfortunatly, we have no way to know how many people are "passionate" about their vote, and which oens are just lukewarm about how they feel other than by looking at the comments here. So, if you feel strongly about the revamp, say so, and say WHY. Explain what you like, what you dislike, and what would make it better. As we have already covered once, we DO take your comments into consideration.
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<br>Keith did.
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<br><b>Quote:</b><blockquote style="padding:5px; line-height:15px; background-color: #FAFFFF; border: 1px solid #000000; font-family: georgia; font-size: 10;">And, for this and future news posts relating to art, please keep it to constructive critisim.</blockquote>
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<br>That was back when the Torrent revamp was posted, 3/8/06.
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<br>Besides, it's just courtious to give constructive criticism.
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<br>And unfortunatly, we have no way to know how many people are "passionate" about their vote, and which oens are just lukewarm about how they feel other than by looking at the comments here. So, if you feel strongly about the revamp, say so, and say WHY. Explain what you like, what you dislike, and what would make it better. As we have already covered once, we DO take your comments into consideration.
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Brenton
"The fact that Subeta bases whether or not the revamp will be issued on the polls says more for their care of users opinions than anything else could.".
<br>I have an inside opinion from one of the most important ex-staff about this, and they say that wether or not the polls say that the pet is -or- is not going to be changed, it still will anyway, opinion care? erm...
<br>I have an inside opinion from one of the most important ex-staff about this, and they say that wether or not the polls say that the pet is -or- is not going to be changed, it still will anyway, opinion care? erm...
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Kabuto
Dickie, the point is not to insault it because thats just being a jerk. Saying its cute or you like it can be a compliment, not every comment has to be constructive critisism, but none of them should be blatant insaults
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Kabuto
Ditto kirschwasser, its AMAZINGLY well drawn, if you liked the old one better, than say so and why, don't just say 'ew' or 'this ruins the pet' thats a blatant insault, if theres something you don't like,explain why, don't just say its horrible, especialy since the people saying it couldn't do better themselves
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Quite frankly, I'm disgusted by the number of insults to the Subeta staff and artists here. If you don't like it- don't vote for it, but that doesn't mean that other people can't like it. The fact that Subeta bases whether or not the revamp will be issued on the polls says more for their care of users opinions than anything else could. Certain other sites that have similar things simply revamp their pets without any regard to if the users like it or not. Ultimately, it's up to the staff- but the fact that you even get a say in it, no matter how small, says something about the way Subeta interacts with its users. Take what you can and be grateful for it.
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kazii
I just have some problems looking at either telenine...I had to vote 'old' because I just didn't see the improvement I wanted.
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<br>Question: Would the Spectrum Telenine be redone?
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<br>Question: Would the Spectrum Telenine be redone?
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Brenton
It'd be really cool if it was sitting and facing right at you. <img src=/images/smilies/6398_emoticon_grin.gif border=0>
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Agreed, Shaggy <img src=/images/smilies/6398_emoticon_happy.gif border=0>
<br>Some people might casually like the new a little bit more but the ones who are actually passionate about it are those who DON'T want it...no one's posted here saying they'd cry if the new one wasn't released!
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<br>Also, who says we have to offer constructive criticism? Saying "yaaaay this is sooo cute" wouldn't be constructive but people are never complained about saying stuff like that <img src=/images/smilies/6398_emoticon_wink.gif border=0>
<br>Some people might casually like the new a little bit more but the ones who are actually passionate about it are those who DON'T want it...no one's posted here saying they'd cry if the new one wasn't released!
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<br>Also, who says we have to offer constructive criticism? Saying "yaaaay this is sooo cute" wouldn't be constructive but people are never complained about saying stuff like that <img src=/images/smilies/6398_emoticon_wink.gif border=0>
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Brenton
I liked how it was sitting down, it reminds me more of the pet starting with L and ending with E from another pet site, i liked how it sat down.
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Wow. A big improvement I think. The anatomy is very well done, plus its a bit more realistic than the old one. Great job!
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Kabuto
Benton, insaulting it is not constructive critisism, untill you make somthing better I would suggest you not talk crud about it
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Kabuto
This is very hard... The art is amazing and I like the improvement of the anatomy and shading, but I sort of miss the thin and sleek look of the older version... hmmm
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Brenton
It reminds me of the photo of the ugliest dog in the world. <img src=/images/smilies/6398_emoticon_raspberry.gif border=0>
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Brenton
"In my humble opinion, those people's opinions are just as valid as the opinions of those with the current pet..."
<br>Jessyta, only if their number of votes to agree with a revamp goes higher than that of the number of pets owned. Otherwise, thats biased.
<br>Jessyta, only if their number of votes to agree with a revamp goes higher than that of the number of pets owned. Otherwise, thats biased.
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JESSYTA
'Ew' is not constructive criticism. <img src=/images/smilies/6398_emoticon_raspberry.gif border=0>
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JESSYTA
First off, I don't think anyone should make assumptions about why people vote the way they do.
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<br>With that said, you missed my point Dickie. Some people's comments made it seem liek they thought thestaff of Subeta cared only about the art, and not the desires of the users. I was trying to show that wasn't the case.
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<br>@ Shaggy_Glucose, there is one major problem with your suggestion about two polls, and that is the fact that some people may not have a certain pet because of how the original looks, but they may be willing to get one should the revamp go thru. In my humble opinion, those people's opinions are just as valid as the opinions of those with the current pet...
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<br>With that said, you missed my point Dickie. Some people's comments made it seem liek they thought thestaff of Subeta cared only about the art, and not the desires of the users. I was trying to show that wasn't the case.
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<br>@ Shaggy_Glucose, there is one major problem with your suggestion about two polls, and that is the fact that some people may not have a certain pet because of how the original looks, but they may be willing to get one should the revamp go thru. In my humble opinion, those people's opinions are just as valid as the opinions of those with the current pet...
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stolenidentity
Please dont revamp the Chibi. <img src=/images/smilies/6398_emoticon_sad.gif border=0> Its so cute already, and it would be so sad if it was changed.
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Ok..no...I voted old. Many have already stated what is wrong with this, and I totally agree. Though I may not own a telenine, and probably won't in the future, I still care about what I choose for the revamps.
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<br>The face is so boring from lack of expression that the telly was almost ALL about, the body is very rectangular, and I don't like the shading very much, but it's still ok I suppose <img src=/images/smilies/6398_emoticon_sad.gif border=0>. I also distaste the paws because they look so big and the anatomy isn't correct (unless the way I see and draw canines is incorrect). I could go on, I'm sorry artist, you tried but I know you can do better :3.
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<br>The face is so boring from lack of expression that the telly was almost ALL about, the body is very rectangular, and I don't like the shading very much, but it's still ok I suppose <img src=/images/smilies/6398_emoticon_sad.gif border=0>. I also distaste the paws because they look so big and the anatomy isn't correct (unless the way I see and draw canines is incorrect). I could go on, I'm sorry artist, you tried but I know you can do better :3.
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Hemp, you stated my thoughts exactly.
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<br>Dickie you make a very good point about people voting for sP, and people who don't currently, and may never own a Tele voting for the new one for the underground of it.
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<br>I'm tempted to go make a suggestion topic reguarding this...have a poll for all users, and a seperate one ONLY for people that have the pet...for comparative purposes. But that'd probably be underground to code...
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<br>It seems to me most people posting here dislike the new version, and yet it's still creaming the old one as far as votes go. The people that actually take the time to read the comments here and post there own constructive critisism all seem to be in favor of keeping the old. Half the people that voted new probably don't even know how to comment on the news...but if they do, they obviously don't care enough about it to do so.
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<br>Dickie you make a very good point about people voting for sP, and people who don't currently, and may never own a Tele voting for the new one for the underground of it.
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<br>I'm tempted to go make a suggestion topic reguarding this...have a poll for all users, and a seperate one ONLY for people that have the pet...for comparative purposes. But that'd probably be underground to code...
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<br>It seems to me most people posting here dislike the new version, and yet it's still creaming the old one as far as votes go. The people that actually take the time to read the comments here and post there own constructive critisism all seem to be in favor of keeping the old. Half the people that voted new probably don't even know how to comment on the news...but if they do, they obviously don't care enough about it to do so.
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Hemp, you stated my thoughts exactly.
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<br>Dickie you make a very good point about people voting for sP, and people who don't currently, and may never own a Tele voting for the new one for the underground of it.
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<br>I'm tempted to go make a suggestion topic reguarding this...have a poll for all users, and a seperate one ONLY for people that have the pet...for comparative purposes. But that'd probably be underground to code...
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<br>It seems to me most people posting here dislike the new version, and yet it's still creaming the old one as far as votes go. The people that actually take the time to read the comments here and post there own constructive critisism all seem to be in favor of keeping the old. Half the people that voted new probably don't even know how to comment on the news...
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<br>Dickie you make a very good point about people voting for sP, and people who don't currently, and may never own a Tele voting for the new one for the underground of it.
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<br>I'm tempted to go make a suggestion topic reguarding this...have a poll for all users, and a seperate one ONLY for people that have the pet...for comparative purposes. But that'd probably be underground to code...
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<br>It seems to me most people posting here dislike the new version, and yet it's still creaming the old one as far as votes go. The people that actually take the time to read the comments here and post there own constructive critisism all seem to be in favor of keeping the old. Half the people that voted new probably don't even know how to comment on the news...
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Historiography
The thing, most of the revamps that have come through deserved a revamp and in most cases I've agree that the revamp is better suited for the site than the old version.
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<br>While it is true, I was never particularly a fan of the telenine, mostly due to the jarring colors it's in I don't really think it needed a revamp.
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<br>I think I'd be fine with the revamp if the anatomical errorst that it had were fixed because the new one does look better than the old in terms of shading and things of that nature.
<br>I just can't reconcile myself with the anatomical errors I see in the new revamp.
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<br>If those were fixed then I would really have no problem with the revamp.
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<br>While it is true, I was never particularly a fan of the telenine, mostly due to the jarring colors it's in I don't really think it needed a revamp.
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<br>I think I'd be fine with the revamp if the anatomical errorst that it had were fixed because the new one does look better than the old in terms of shading and things of that nature.
<br>I just can't reconcile myself with the anatomical errors I see in the new revamp.
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<br>If those were fixed then I would really have no problem with the revamp.
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rawnie
I voted for new. I believe that if this one wins, they can fix up the anatomy and stuff before it gets released for good. The old one was a little flat compared to this one.
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<br>And I hope the Spectrum, Chibi and Bloodred don't end up getting redrawn. That's because I adore them. And if you redraw Darkmatter, don't change the facial expression when you do; the Darkmatter Telenine's grin is the best thing about it. <img src=/images/smilies/6398_emoticon_grin.gif border=0>
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<br>Another reason I'm voting for new, is because some of the old colours (Cream, Sun, and Dawn) can get recoloured and such, because the combinations of colours on those ones, are just wrong and don't go together.
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<br>The major reason why I wanted to get a Telenine when I first saw it was the facial expression. If you can transition that facial expression onto this one, I'll be happy.
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<br>And I hope the Spectrum, Chibi and Bloodred don't end up getting redrawn. That's because I adore them. And if you redraw Darkmatter, don't change the facial expression when you do; the Darkmatter Telenine's grin is the best thing about it. <img src=/images/smilies/6398_emoticon_grin.gif border=0>
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<br>Another reason I'm voting for new, is because some of the old colours (Cream, Sun, and Dawn) can get recoloured and such, because the combinations of colours on those ones, are just wrong and don't go together.
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Every revamp gets more 'yes' votes than 'no'...it's because it's the first option and people click for the sP...also a lot of those votes will be newbie votes who probably will never own a telenine and just took a quick glance at the image.
<br>There are probably more people opposed to this revamp than the original kumos one and that revamp was changed...
<br>There are probably more people opposed to this revamp than the original kumos one and that revamp was changed...
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JESSYTA
Folks, the staff knows and appriciates the fact that the users are an important part of the site, just as important as having high quality art.
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<br>If we didn't, you wouldn't even GET to vote on revamps. Nor would we listen to your constructive criticism.
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<br>The fact remains that at this point, a whopping 70% of users who have voted support the revamp. ((And yes, I realize it's a bit early and the numbers may change still)) So if the revamp goes thru, we are not only doing what we can to improve the quality of art on the site but ALSO keep as many of our players as happy as possible.
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<br>If we didn't, you wouldn't even GET to vote on revamps. Nor would we listen to your constructive criticism.
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<br>The fact remains that at this point, a whopping 70% of users who have voted support the revamp. ((And yes, I realize it's a bit early and the numbers may change still)) So if the revamp goes thru, we are not only doing what we can to improve the quality of art on the site but ALSO keep as many of our players as happy as possible.
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<b>Quote:</b><blockquote style="padding:5px; line-height:15px; background-color: #FAFFFF; border: 1px solid #000000; font-family: georgia; font-size: 10;">Revamps are not made to make users happy, rather to better the site. The new Telenines, Spectrum, Reborn, and Hydrus, are so, so lovely, and most everyone loves them, but let’s face it, the old style, and the new colors did not fit together at all. They looked almost like different species to me, and the new revamp makes the Telenine fit in with the new Telenine. You have to pick a revamp not because it fits your personal tastes better, but rather the style of the site. Subeta needs to be consistent to look professional, at least I think so. </blockquote>
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<br>If revamps don't make users happy, then who's opinion is it that the site is bettered by them? Of course there will always be some dissatisfied users, but that's why we have different species, different colors, a choice of lively-faced pets or realistic ones, pets with big shiney eyes and pets with human eyes. So that's why I don't think the site is bettered by the prospect of realism. Personally I don't consider "realistic" necessarily being professional, either. I do think we should have some realistic pets, but not every "cartoony" common pet needs to be changed to that. The telenine is one of them that doesn't need that change, just more complex shading and new lineart at the most.
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<br>If revamps don't make users happy, then who's opinion is it that the site is bettered by them? Of course there will always be some dissatisfied users, but that's why we have different species, different colors, a choice of lively-faced pets or realistic ones, pets with big shiney eyes and pets with human eyes. So that's why I don't think the site is bettered by the prospect of realism. Personally I don't consider "realistic" necessarily being professional, either. I do think we should have some realistic pets, but not every "cartoony" common pet needs to be changed to that. The telenine is one of them that doesn't need that change, just more complex shading and new lineart at the most.
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Wow, obviously I did not do a very good job of getting my point across.
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<br>Of course Subeta is about the members, but frankly, there is a huge difference between you as a user, and the collective members of Subeta, or the users.
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<br>The site is about the users, plural, and people as a group like things to be uniform and for everything to fit. Humans are like that, in a group.
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<br>Just because you dislike the new Telenine, does not mean that most people will.
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<br>Subeta has to appeal to a large group of users.
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<br>Now, I am going to stop now, because I really have no idea what I am talking about anymore...
<br>-twitch-
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<br>Of course Subeta is about the members, but frankly, there is a huge difference between you as a user, and the collective members of Subeta, or the users.
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<br>The site is about the users, plural, and people as a group like things to be uniform and for everything to fit. Humans are like that, in a group.
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<br>Just because you dislike the new Telenine, does not mean that most people will.
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<br>Subeta has to appeal to a large group of users.
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<br>Now, I am going to stop now, because I really have no idea what I am talking about anymore...
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The only thing I don't like about the newer one is the back spikes. I think they look a bit too small. Other than that, I believe it looks fantastic.
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wow the new one is awsome, it still looks the same but way less cartoony absolutely AMAZING job! LOVE IT!!!
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angelembryo
I agree with Lazy and Flare - pet sites can only exist with the support of users. Also, even if all that mattered was the consistency of the site's art, how would Subeta look if most or all of its representative art was consistently bad? I'm not saying this Telenine is "bad" - I probably couldn't have made a better one - but I wouldn't want to run a site whose art was defined by so many flaws. There is plenty of AMAZING art on Subeta *ahemmysticcookiecoughahem* and this Telenine just does not fit those standards.
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Please don't mention the chibi getting a revamp...I think I've seen a Tsume attempt at the chibi and it made me very sad indeed.
<br>If the chibi needs revamping then mysticcookie should do it...otherwise it will be RUINED and a lot of chibi telenines will end up on 'Adopt it!'
<br>If the chibi needs revamping then mysticcookie should do it...otherwise it will be RUINED and a lot of chibi telenines will end up on 'Adopt it!'
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JennLee
I like the new one, I guess, but the facial features are just too different from the old one for me to vote for it.
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<br>I also don't like how stiff the new one looks, and now that someone's pointed out the problem with the hips, it's bothering me, too.
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<br>Isn't this a rather drastic change for a pet that's already quite popular?
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<br>I also don't like how stiff the new one looks, and now that someone's pointed out the problem with the hips, it's bothering me, too.
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<br>Isn't this a rather drastic change for a pet that's already quite popular?
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'Revamps are not made to make users happy, rather to better the site.'
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<br>Considering the site is only around because of the users, I find this statement very.. rude.
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<br>Anyway. I voted old. The new one is very good, and I adore the shading, but there are some anatomy issues that I just can't get past. Still, I suppose I'd be okay either say, seeing as I'm not overly fond of telenines in the first place.
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<br>Considering the site is only around because of the users, I find this statement very.. rude.
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<br>Anyway. I voted old. The new one is very good, and I adore the shading, but there are some anatomy issues that I just can't get past. Still, I suppose I'd be okay either say, seeing as I'm not overly fond of telenines in the first place.
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I have to say that in order to better the site, you must please the users. Unhappy users=Bad site. If there's a large amount. Part of a pet site is your personal taste. Why even glance at a pet you don't like..? I think the popularity may go down if the revamp goes through as is, because of the many posts about disliking the new telenine. Perhaps with the suggested changes it may look better. -shrugs-
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angelembryo
I have to go with old again. There are just too many anatomical and fundamental artistic flaws with this revamp. Most of those have already been mentioned... the head seems to be screwed on at an odd angle (and the head shape itself also looks odd to me... too hollow or something), the body and legs are too compact and boxy, the legs look like clay lumps loosely attached to the body (too much shading definition), the spikes look like a pasted-on afterthought, etc. It also really bugs me how the hip is drawn below the spine, as Dokuja said.
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<br>One possible root of a lot of these problems might be the pose. I have nothing against standing poses, but artistically there's just nothing really exciting about an animal standing in full profile. It's too static, and lacks originality and life. Plus it's harder to make optimal use of a square canvas when you use the one pose that makes the animal appear longest. You end up with either a lot of dead space or an animal that appears too compact (as I think is the problem here). I'm not saying it should invariably be sitting, only that standing in profile isn't a good idea. Sitting can work, sitting or standing at a 3/4 angle or something like it can work, but not this.
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<br>Sorry, Tsume - you really are a wonderful artist, but this particular revamp just doesn't work for me. :
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<br>One possible root of a lot of these problems might be the pose. I have nothing against standing poses, but artistically there's just nothing really exciting about an animal standing in full profile. It's too static, and lacks originality and life. Plus it's harder to make optimal use of a square canvas when you use the one pose that makes the animal appear longest. You end up with either a lot of dead space or an animal that appears too compact (as I think is the problem here). I'm not saying it should invariably be sitting, only that standing in profile isn't a good idea. Sitting can work, sitting or standing at a 3/4 angle or something like it can work, but not this.
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<br>Sorry, Tsume - you really are a wonderful artist, but this particular revamp just doesn't work for me. :
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Aleks
Eeep. I like the new art style, but... I loved the old one's disposition. I'd like it more if the Teli kept the same pose and expression, just with shiny new art.
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PirateCaptainAshe
Hm... I like the body of the new one better, but I'd hate to see the eyes and face of the old one replaced... the old one just has more personality.
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I have to admit that this is not my favorite of the revamps that hade been proposed recently. I think it looks a bit to stiff and boxy, but I will, I haven’t yet, vote new, and I will now give my reasons.
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<br>Revamps are not made to make users happy, rather to better the site. The new Telenines, Spectrum, Reborn, and Hydrus, are so, so lovely, and most everyone loves them, but let’s face it, the old style, and the new colors did not fit together at all. They looked almost like different species to me, and the new revamp makes the Telenine fit in with the new Telenine. You have to pick a revamp not because it fits your personal tastes better, but rather the style of the site. Subeta needs to be consistent to look professional, at least I think so.
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<br>I think, personally, that the only way the old Telenine should stay was if the new colors were revamped to look like the older style, and no one wants that.
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<br>And besides, the old one looked very…flat to me, it always has.
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<br>and I really hope the Chibi Telenine is revamped, because the facial expression on that color looks really, really strange to me…
<br>-Shrugs-
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<br>I highly doubt anyone actually read my endless babbling, but whatever…
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<br>Revamps are not made to make users happy, rather to better the site. The new Telenines, Spectrum, Reborn, and Hydrus, are so, so lovely, and most everyone loves them, but let’s face it, the old style, and the new colors did not fit together at all. They looked almost like different species to me, and the new revamp makes the Telenine fit in with the new Telenine. You have to pick a revamp not because it fits your personal tastes better, but rather the style of the site. Subeta needs to be consistent to look professional, at least I think so.
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<br>I think, personally, that the only way the old Telenine should stay was if the new colors were revamped to look like the older style, and no one wants that.
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<br>And besides, the old one looked very…flat to me, it always has.
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<br>and I really hope the Chibi Telenine is revamped, because the facial expression on that color looks really, really strange to me…
<br>-Shrugs-
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<br>I highly doubt anyone actually read my endless babbling, but whatever…
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Strukla
if so many of us agreed on the old one as better, how the underground is the newer one winning? T_T I like the old one better then the new one, it looks kinda goofier that this one. This one looks... Too plain to me, for some reason.
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Skoll
Ack, not the telenine too Xo this picture is drawn very well, but, I dont like how "realistic" they're starting to edge for on the revamped pets... they're reminding me of another pet site that goes for that kind of thing. I like them cartoony...
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Sunnie
The telenine did need a revamp... the shading is all off, the lines are not thick enough, and the general style of it makes it seem out of place amongst other pets.
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<br>But... I voted for the old one. Sorry, but after reading the suggestions here I think this revamp could be improved a tad. <img src=/images/smilies/6398_emoticon_raspberry.gif border=0>
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wow.. i had to sit and stare at them for quite some time to make my decision.
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<br>i'm voting new one. because even though there's problems, i beleive they can be fixed before the revamp goes through. And the old Telenine doesn't fit in with the rest of Subeta's pets. I've actually really been waiting for a telly revamp to see what potion i'd use on Senny.
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<br>Though the ears look really rigid, and the legs look stiff. it's not horrible. As a telenine owner, i feel i can stand looking at it as my pet. The only thing i think i'll miss is the old telenines "bright" eyes and smile. I love the old telenines face. It has just so much character. but again, it's still acceptable for me.
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<br>also, as a note. i'd REALLY like to see a chibi telly revamped. ;P i HATE the old one. and i'd like to see alot of colors changed. alot of them are really silly. the dawn and sun are just ick. :/
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<br>i'm voting new one. because even though there's problems, i beleive they can be fixed before the revamp goes through. And the old Telenine doesn't fit in with the rest of Subeta's pets. I've actually really been waiting for a telly revamp to see what potion i'd use on Senny.
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<br>Though the ears look really rigid, and the legs look stiff. it's not horrible. As a telenine owner, i feel i can stand looking at it as my pet. The only thing i think i'll miss is the old telenines "bright" eyes and smile. I love the old telenines face. It has just so much character. but again, it's still acceptable for me.
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<br>also, as a note. i'd REALLY like to see a chibi telly revamped. ;P i HATE the old one. and i'd like to see alot of colors changed. alot of them are really silly. the dawn and sun are just ick. :/
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Oh please people do automaticaly yes for this revamp. I really love the old one. This one really does not have any life to it. (I'm sorry artist good shading though!) So please think hard before you click new on the poll, as it's winning currently. I've been waiting months to have a Telenine when I first joined and now that I have one I really don't want it to change to this!
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The redraw obviously shows talent, but nontheless I voted old..
<br>The old one has character, dynamic form, fluidity and originality. The new one is stiff, awkward and lacking any life.
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<br>I think the old Telenine's shading just needs to be revamped, perhaps the lineart touched up. This revamp is what you'd upgrade -from- not to.
<br>The old one has character, dynamic form, fluidity and originality. The new one is stiff, awkward and lacking any life.
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<br>I think the old Telenine's shading just needs to be revamped, perhaps the lineart touched up. This revamp is what you'd upgrade -from- not to.
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I voted old. The new lacks personality. It just sites on the page. =/
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<br>Marvelously done, mind you, but it just doesn't have that spark and presence to catch my eye and make me want one.
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<br>Marvelously done, mind you, but it just doesn't have that spark and presence to catch my eye and make me want one.
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I'm sorry, I voted old. The telenine didn't need a revamp in the first place, and this one doesn't impress me.. It doesn't strike my fancy.
<br>I suppose I should include some constructive criticism, as to not offend anybody.
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<br>I'll start with the head. It seems as though it's almost pasted onto the neck. The transition doesn't seem natural to me. The same seems to be with the legs. It's just that it almost looks like the kind of thing where you choose bits and parts for a body and paste them on. Not a completely smooth transition. The neck is twisting at an odd angle, and the head is looking one way but the eyes seem to be drifting somewhere else.. Maybe that's what you're going for, but I don't like it very much. The leg in the front seems to go up a bit far, like.. I can't explain it. Where the leg attaches, it juts out, but it goes up all the way to the back and I don't see that in the old one as much. (Though the positions are different, it also seems unnatural.) I also think the purple spikes are almost sitting on top of the telenine rather than being attached. Though this is nice art, it needs a bit of improvement. I do like, however, the tail; how it sways in life-like manner. And the fur is done quite well.
<br>I suppose I should include some constructive criticism, as to not offend anybody.
<br>As for the new telenine..
<br>I'll start with the head. It seems as though it's almost pasted onto the neck. The transition doesn't seem natural to me. The same seems to be with the legs. It's just that it almost looks like the kind of thing where you choose bits and parts for a body and paste them on. Not a completely smooth transition. The neck is twisting at an odd angle, and the head is looking one way but the eyes seem to be drifting somewhere else.. Maybe that's what you're going for, but I don't like it very much. The leg in the front seems to go up a bit far, like.. I can't explain it. Where the leg attaches, it juts out, but it goes up all the way to the back and I don't see that in the old one as much. (Though the positions are different, it also seems unnatural.) I also think the purple spikes are almost sitting on top of the telenine rather than being attached. Though this is nice art, it needs a bit of improvement. I do like, however, the tail; how it sways in life-like manner. And the fur is done quite well.
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stolenidentity
I hate the coloring and shading on the suggested revamp. And the pose needs some help. I really do <b>not</b> like the revamp at all. The artist did a good job, but I still like the old better. Why not just fix up the stuff on the old pet that needs help? Or get the original artist, if they are still on to revamp it a little?
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Sasuke
I voted old.But more than likely new will win.
<br>That would mean the reason why I like the Telenine will be gone.
<br>I like the 'cartoony'look and the little grin.
<br>In my opinion not everything has to be redrawn or redone.Some things should stay how they are.
<br>That would mean the reason why I like the Telenine will be gone.
<br>I like the 'cartoony'look and the little grin.
<br>In my opinion not everything has to be redrawn or redone.Some things should stay how they are.
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TRiPP
I have to say, this is an improvment on the old version, but Im not crazy about it.
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<br>The back legs look like they are detached from the spine because of that crecent line of shading there, and it almost makes it look like a toy...as if the leg could be poppoed off or something.
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<br>But other than that, I think the drawing is overall, very good. My vote doesnt really count, I guess, because it doesnt matter much to me whether it goes through or not. Dearborn is colored hydrus, and he's staying that way xD
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<br>The back legs look like they are detached from the spine because of that crecent line of shading there, and it almost makes it look like a toy...as if the leg could be poppoed off or something.
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<br>But other than that, I think the drawing is overall, very good. My vote doesnt really count, I guess, because it doesnt matter much to me whether it goes through or not. Dearborn is colored hydrus, and he's staying that way xD
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NATALiE
My decision was based on the pose. The new one is too stiff, and the old one just has that Telenine attitude. Please don't ask me to define that though xD
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<br>However, I love the coloring and colors on the new Telenine.
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<br>So... why not combine the two? I'd support minor changes to the pose of the current Telenine, but nothing this different, pleeease.
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<br>However, I love the coloring and colors on the new Telenine.
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<br>So... why not combine the two? I'd support minor changes to the pose of the current Telenine, but nothing this different, pleeease.
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Also another thing I just thought of *pokes Nataku <img src=/images/smilies/6398_emoticon_raspberry.gif border=0>*
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<br>Why is it when a revamp is planned, we only get to see the common version? I think seeing each color (or at least a few different colors) would aid in the decision making process.
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<br>Why is it when a revamp is planned, we only get to see the common version? I think seeing each color (or at least a few different colors) would aid in the decision making process.
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i like the coloring better on the new one, but I think the oldones facial expression is a lot better. And that factor alone made me keep my vote for the old one.
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I like the new one's color...but not pose >_< I like the original more...just not how bright they are XD
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Story
I like some factors of the new one and some of the old. The new one had bigger fangs, which I liked because it's more pehistoric. And I like the eyes. Though of couse, I do like the shading, as it goes real well with the fur.
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<br>But not not much of the thickness of the main body. The head looks a bit big too me...not sure why.
<br>I still like the pose of the old one alot better. And, like Shaggy said, that smark is gone. I would miss that expersoin when it's gone. ;_;
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<br>But not not much of the thickness of the main body. The head looks a bit big too me...not sure why.
<br>I still like the pose of the old one alot better. And, like Shaggy said, that smark is gone. I would miss that expersoin when it's gone. ;_;
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I love the new one. The old ones colors made my eyes hurt, and the new one has shading, its cuter I think. The older version looked like the pets from other pet sites and I think the graphics for Subeta are and should continue to be better than those other ones.
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I think it's great!Much more of an improvement to the old one.I love all the detail and the shading,and the tail has been drawn brilliantly. <img src=/images/smilies/6398_emoticon_grin.gif border=0>
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I'd like to see much larger spikes and the head facing the other way. Otherwise, I like it very much.
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D: I can't stand looking at this new one. Not only does the shading give the wrong texture, but the anatomy is off throughout all of the lineart.
<br>The old version had one or two anatomy flaws, and minimal shading, but overall it doesn't look as messed up as this new one.
<br>No offence to the artist, but it looks like you had a hard time squeezing it into that space and ended up killing the poor thing in the proccess... >.<;;
<br>The old version had one or two anatomy flaws, and minimal shading, but overall it doesn't look as messed up as this new one.
<br>No offence to the artist, but it looks like you had a hard time squeezing it into that space and ended up killing the poor thing in the proccess... >.<;;
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I like your idea NoirRaven (that wasn't posted yet when I was typing my response <img src=/images/smilies/6398_emoticon_raspberry.gif border=0>), that'd certainly make the poll a bit more fair.
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<br>I'm really glad I didn't save up and make Arucard DM yet...that would have KILLED me...but I put so much time into coding his profile...it's gonna be hard letting him go if this revamp goes through - and based on the polls so far it seems it will =/
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<br>I'm really glad I didn't save up and make Arucard DM yet...that would have KILLED me...but I put so much time into coding his profile...it's gonna be hard letting him go if this revamp goes through - and based on the polls so far it seems it will =/
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RightSaidFred
The old one has a better pose and lineart.
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<br>This one has better shading, but I'm really not fond of the new one's lineart.
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<br>Sorry Tsume or whoever did the new one D:
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<br>This one has better shading, but I'm really not fond of the new one's lineart.
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<br>Sorry Tsume or whoever did the new one D:
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What would be cool is if...well, you know the people who already have a Telenine? And how some prefer new, some prefer old? I think that if they already have one, that they should be allowed to choose if THEIR Telenine changes to the new version. Or if they can just keep the old, if they like it better. Because some people will ditch their Telenines just because they don't like the new version. This way, they won't have to.
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When I first joined here, and looked at SubetaDB to help me pick a pet, the FIRST one I wanted was a Telenine. I was so sad to find out I couldn't get one right away. Now I have 2. If this revamp goes through as-is, it would break my heart. I'm sorry. It's a lovely drawing, but it just doesn't feel "Telenine" to me...
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<br>There's something mischevious about the way the old Tele "smirked" (esp the DM one), and I just don't see that on the new design, and that bothers me. The ENTIRE reason I made my pet Arucard a Tele was for that smirk. If there's no smirk, I'm gonna have to make him something else or adopt him away <img src=/images/smilies/6398_emoticon_sad.gif border=0>
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<br>Someone commented that this version looks "like their dad" or "like an old man" and I must agree - in comparison to the original Tele this one just looks aged and faded (maybe that's the point though?).
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<br>The spikes DO look impotent, wimpey <img src=/images/smilies/6398_emoticon_raspberry.gif border=0> I love the way you phrased that. And the fangs look..well..the opposite of that haha...they're HUGE! I'm still deciding if I like that or not, but fangs alone won't get me to vote for the new one.
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<br>Tsume, I <b>love</b> what you've done with the other Teles you mentioned you've worked on, but I just don't like this one =/
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<br>There's something mischevious about the way the old Tele "smirked" (esp the DM one), and I just don't see that on the new design, and that bothers me. The ENTIRE reason I made my pet Arucard a Tele was for that smirk. If there's no smirk, I'm gonna have to make him something else or adopt him away <img src=/images/smilies/6398_emoticon_sad.gif border=0>
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<br>Someone commented that this version looks "like their dad" or "like an old man" and I must agree - in comparison to the original Tele this one just looks aged and faded (maybe that's the point though?).
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<br>The spikes DO look impotent, wimpey <img src=/images/smilies/6398_emoticon_raspberry.gif border=0> I love the way you phrased that. And the fangs look..well..the opposite of that haha...they're HUGE! I'm still deciding if I like that or not, but fangs alone won't get me to vote for the new one.
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<br>Tsume, I <b>love</b> what you've done with the other Teles you mentioned you've worked on, but I just don't like this one =/
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the new one totally rock <img src=/images/smilies/6398_emoticon_happy.gif border=0>...I prefer this one...the old oneis to ugly <img src=/images/smilies/6398_emoticon_sigh.gif border=0>
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SailorGundam06
I like the old pose and facial expression better... but the detailing on the new one is nicer and more 'mature' looking. I'm voting for the old one, though...
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Jasper
kelpie, Why are you picking on me today?
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<br>I didn't pay attention to the Montre revamp post because I only cared about getting gold... err... sP and I didn't care for it as a species. Now that I'm more experienced, I pay attention to the revamps and so far you guys have targeted most of the species I planned on adopting in the near future which is sort of frustrating. Especially when you don't want the revamp to happen.
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<br>But whatever, if suggestions -are- getting noticed, here's mine. Recolor the old pose with the same coloring/shading of the new pose and let the people decide from there. And before anyone asks, reason why I'm suggesting this is because the majority will just vote for the new one because it's all -shiney-. They probably don't want/or own a Telenine so they don't care how it effects fans of the breed.
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<br>Most of the time it's the lack of shiney scales/skin/fur that causes the old ones to lose the polls. Update the old one to the same shading/color standards but keep the old pose, will make the poll that much fairer and even. <img src=/images/smilies/6398_emoticon_raspberry.gif border=0>
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<br>I didn't pay attention to the Montre revamp post because I only cared about getting gold... err... sP and I didn't care for it as a species. Now that I'm more experienced, I pay attention to the revamps and so far you guys have targeted most of the species I planned on adopting in the near future which is sort of frustrating. Especially when you don't want the revamp to happen.
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<br>But whatever, if suggestions -are- getting noticed, here's mine. Recolor the old pose with the same coloring/shading of the new pose and let the people decide from there. And before anyone asks, reason why I'm suggesting this is because the majority will just vote for the new one because it's all -shiney-. They probably don't want/or own a Telenine so they don't care how it effects fans of the breed.
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<br>Most of the time it's the lack of shiney scales/skin/fur that causes the old ones to lose the polls. Update the old one to the same shading/color standards but keep the old pose, will make the poll that much fairer and even. <img src=/images/smilies/6398_emoticon_raspberry.gif border=0>
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I'm going old for many of the reasons already stated... the spikes look a bit funny one the new one, and the hip and foreleg muscles look... bunchy? I also dislike the whole head turned backwards thing on the new. It's probebly just me but it looks unnatural to my eyes. Anyway... these are just my thoughts, and we willl get what we get!
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Synbar
Hmm, I love the detail on the new one (shading, etc.). At the same time, the fang looks a bit out of proportion, and where the legs join the body is too defined. Very hard decision here... The Chibi wouldn't change any, would it? *hugs Arrywl*
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TracyH
Ok I asked my Neice she prefered new. I asked my Hubby he prefered old. So I closed my eyes and inni minni minie moed it and Old won. I prefer Lycan's pose and body structure but Tsume's painting and coloring.
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Wimp I know exactly what you mean regarding the spikes, they look like an after thought and as if they too are detachable.
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what with the paws being almost the size of the head and the detachable legs i voted old. I think if these were improved on however id like it more. I loe the idea of it being stood up though.
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I think it improves on the old telenine but needs a second drawing. It looks...akward...something about it makes me squint at it and try to figure out if my eyes are playing tricks. The defining feature of the classic telenine, aside from the fangs, were those jurassic looking spikes. These spikes seem a little...(can I say this?)impotent....compared to the stockiness of the body.
<br>Just a few changes is all it needs. I'm not artist and thus am unable to use the jargon of one, so I hope I made sense. As always, thanks artists for being courageous enough to share your work.
<br>Just a few changes is all it needs. I'm not artist and thus am unable to use the jargon of one, so I hope I made sense. As always, thanks artists for being courageous enough to share your work.
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I mean I like BOTH of them... but I think the old one is WAAAAAAAAYYY better! ^-^
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the body isnt long enough to warrant legs that chunky, it looks more like a dog with mismatched legs than the wolfish creature the old one does.
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You aren't the only one Squirrel! <img src=/images/smilies/6398_emoticon_wink.gif border=0>
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The new one is better, there's no doubt about that, but I still voted for the old one. There's some things that put me off about the new one.
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<br>If there were some minor changes to it made then I'd be fine with it.
<br>The first thing that struck me about it it was that it seemed a bit blocky even with that pose and the pose itself is a but unexciting.
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<br>I like the fact that the old one is sitting.
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<br>Secondly, the new one seems a bit stiff and while I do love the shading on the new one I do agree that there are some areas that seem a bit over-shaded. around the haunches for instance.
<br>The shading that is on it, kind of gives an impression like the legs closest to the viewer are added onto the body and not really part of the body. That's just the impression I get from it.
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<br>If there were some minor changes to it made then I'd be fine with it.
<br>The first thing that struck me about it it was that it seemed a bit blocky even with that pose and the pose itself is a but unexciting.
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<br>I like the fact that the old one is sitting.
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<br>Secondly, the new one seems a bit stiff and while I do love the shading on the new one I do agree that there are some areas that seem a bit over-shaded. around the haunches for instance.
<br>The shading that is on it, kind of gives an impression like the legs closest to the viewer are added onto the body and not really part of the body. That's just the impression I get from it.
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am i the only one who thinks its legs dont fit its body? its body is long enough and its legs are really chunky looking. They look detachable.
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You know what? I like how they are making the Telenine stand, but NOT the new style! <img src=/images/smilies/6398_emoticon_sad.gif border=0>
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The old one could've used another layer of shading but this has too many and it's too wavy and swirly...it makes it look shiny and just <i>wrong</i>
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JESSYTA
I disagree completely Dickie, mainly because of how flat the shading on the old Telenine looks compared to the shading on the new one.
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<br>The shading ont he revamped version gives the hair actual texture, the original has very little.
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<br>The shading ont he revamped version gives the hair actual texture, the original has very little.
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TracyH
Hmmm I dunno I really kind of prefer Lycan's version. I usually adore any of Tsume's versions of Telenines or any thing she draws she is a genius. I just kind of like the Telenine sitting.
<br>Christine's first version was cool too.
<br>Ugh but they want the pets to match.
<br>What to do what to do?
<br>I will let Hubby pick again.
<br>Christine's first version was cool too.
<br>Ugh but they want the pets to match.
<br>What to do what to do?
<br>I will let Hubby pick again.
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<b>Quote By NoirRaven:</b><blockquote style="padding:5px; line-height:15px; background-color: #FAFFFF; border: 1px solid #000000; font-family: georgia; font-size: 10;">Dokuja, because I know it won't do any good. I've seen these types of suggestions made before and they've been ignored. When they post the revamp pic, that's what we're stuck with, regardless of whatever suggestions are posted.</blockquote>
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<br>Oddly enough, Noir, I remember us making lots of changes before the Montre revamp went through, and likewise I believe we're making changes to the Escalade. Someone hasn't been paying attention...
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<br>Oddly enough, Noir, I remember us making lots of changes before the Montre revamp went through, and likewise I believe we're making changes to the Escalade. Someone hasn't been paying attention...
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OMG mystic your avatar is too cute...!
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Well, it seriously looks like a pet on another site I can't mention. Subeta's always had cell shading but this pet has the faux cell shading that's too impressionistic and may as well be soft shading.
<br>I don't mind change...I love that the torrent and escalade and bovyne are getting revamped...but those revamps IMPROVED the pets!
<br>Telenine are already highly popular and this revamp seems unneeded.
<br>I don't mind change...I love that the torrent and escalade and bovyne are getting revamped...but those revamps IMPROVED the pets!
<br>Telenine are already highly popular and this revamp seems unneeded.
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mysticcookie
Not nessasarly NoirRaven, if you take a look at the old montre revamp poll, you'll find that the version that was voted for isn't the version that was released. It was corrected according to the suggestions that were made before it's release.
<br>Everybody's comments don't just go unheard!
<br>Everybody's comments don't just go unheard!
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Andrea
The new one is beautiful. I perfer it about 80% more to the older one. I don't think it belongs on the other pet site, I think some people are afraid of change XD
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Oddly, jess, I think the original looked more professional...this one would be wonderful if it was a commision but it really looks like it belongs on one of the other petsites
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Cass
I think the new one looks a bit boxy through the main section of the body... I think it's just the straight line of the back and how it's above the shoulder, though. Otherwise I like it a lot. o.o The shading is awesome, and I'm pleased by how calm and noble the new pose is. I'll hold off voting for a bit, though, this one IS a tough choice.
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Jasper
Dokuja, because I know it won't do any good. I've seen these types of suggestions made before and they've been ignored. When they post the revamp pic, that's what we're stuck with, regardless of whatever suggestions are posted.
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JESSYTA
I am starting to sound like a broken record when it comes ot these. But yeah, voting for the new, and for the same reason I have voted for the revemp version on a lot of pets: The old Telenine looks cartoony and well, kind of silly looking. The new version looks a lot more professional, and more along the lines of Subeta current artwork.
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Dokuja
NoirRaven, how about doing what I did and constructively pointing out 'all the mistakes' and suggesting how it might be corrected?
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Jasper
kelpie, I did like it, AT FIRST... but the more mistakes I noticed, the more I liked the old. <img src=/images/smilies/6398_emoticon_raspberry.gif border=0>
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Jasper
kelpie, fine, make a whole line of classic potions. <img src=/images/smilies/6398_emoticon_raspberry.gif border=0> Fact is, despite the new one being in the lead, there are MANY Telenine owners/owners to be that prefer the CLASSIC look.
<br>As I said before, all it needs is a color/shading upgrade, not a new pose. Its anatomy was perfect before, now it's seriously flawed. I noticed more mistakes the more I looked at it and the more I read about it.
<br>As I said before, all it needs is a color/shading upgrade, not a new pose. Its anatomy was perfect before, now it's seriously flawed. I noticed more mistakes the more I looked at it and the more I read about it.
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Oh, and I agree about the old one's eyes looking better...on this one they just don't stand out at all.
<br>Also, this telenine looks like my dad...a 60 year old man...totally not the character I wanted for my telenine XD
<br>Also, this telenine looks like my dad...a 60 year old man...totally not the character I wanted for my telenine XD
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I don't think spectrum will be changed as it's drawn by the same artist as this revamp...but I bet the chibi will be changed and I'm not looking forward to getting rid of mine <img src=/images/smilies/6398_emoticon_sad.gif border=0>
<br>I was planning on getting a telenine but I heard about this revamp a few months ago so I put it off...I'm glad I did because people almost inevitably vote new on everything.
<br>I was planning on getting a telenine but I heard about this revamp a few months ago so I put it off...I'm glad I did because people almost inevitably vote new on everything.
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You know, just because we can revamp all of the old pets, doesn't mean we have to. Some pets do look pretty dang good as they are, even some old ones. *shrug*
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<br>The new art is wonderfully lovely and all, but I just rather perfer the old one. Something in the face/mouth just doesn't look right to me.
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<br>The new art is wonderfully lovely and all, but I just rather perfer the old one. Something in the face/mouth just doesn't look right to me.
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btw Kittaly.... i did do the spectrum, reborn, and hydrus.... so theey definitely will not be changing... if anyone else is wondering on that too.
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Jasper
I like this redraw. The colors are fantastic, the proportions are correct... the spikes need some work and... it looks sort of odd the way it's head is turned... Kind of like someone stretched its neck and gave it a twist... I'm going to vote for the old one. All it really needs is a color/shading upgrade, it doesn't need a new pose/new eyes.
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I agree NoirRaven. I spent so much to get one and am saving to get a Spectrum potion for him, if this goes through I'll be crushed that I have to get rid of him. A Classic potion would be so cool, even if you have to donate to get one.
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Yeah, there are too maybe layers of swirly shading...it looks like a cross between Sooki's old pets (which were critisized for too many shading layers) and xoxbrokenxox's shading on items :/
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Dokuja
Though it's undoubtably an improvement on the old Telenine, and for that reason I will be voting for the revamp, I do see some slight anatomy issues. D:
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<br>The muscle definition of the back legs suggests that the hips are actually lower than the spine, though that could easily be corrected by taking away that dark shadow line in the gap.
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<br>The only other thing that niggles me a little bit is the little spike of fur under the tummy - the body's already looking very stocky and rectangular, and I don't really think personally that the little spike helps. Even if the point after the spike were brought up a little (to make the chest deeper than the back end, as is typical with most predatory types) I think it'd help. ^^;;
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<br>The muscle definition of the back legs suggests that the hips are actually lower than the spine, though that could easily be corrected by taking away that dark shadow line in the gap.
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<br>The only other thing that niggles me a little bit is the little spike of fur under the tummy - the body's already looking very stocky and rectangular, and I don't really think personally that the little spike helps. Even if the point after the spike were brought up a little (to make the chest deeper than the back end, as is typical with most predatory types) I think it'd help. ^^;;
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Luxe
Dickie, I think the masculinity issue is just with the species. I haven't found ANY version of the telenine that isn't masculine.
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Kelpie, I don't think the art is 'better' on this one...it's just a different style, there is absolutely nothing wrong with the current telenine, except, maybe, the lines look a little thin compared to newer pets.
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Eh.. I like the pose but it seems.. shiny.. the shading looks off to me.. kinda like its a toy or something instead of a pet.
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Old. The old one should just be relined and maybe reshaded...this one looks too masculine and the spikes look like they're abot to fall off :/
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Luxe
It's been suggested several times. Several times. Personally, I think the whole point of a revamp is to get the art better, not give people the option of keeping the old stuff...
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<br>Besides, what if you have a DarkMatter Telenine, and it gets revamped. So you buy a Classic Potion, and give it to your telenine. You're only going to get the old common, not the darkmatter. We can't make a Classic for each color of pet...
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<br>Besides, what if you have a DarkMatter Telenine, and it gets revamped. So you buy a Classic Potion, and give it to your telenine. You're only going to get the old common, not the darkmatter. We can't make a Classic for each color of pet...
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*whistles* Wow... This makes me actually want to get one.
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Jasper
You know what would kick butt?... A "Classic" potion. One were users can transform their pets back to their basic common color...
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ye I agree
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