Rule Change! In the past four years, Subeta has disallowed chatspeak, and had a list of allowed words. While this was (very) nice while we had a small user base, we've grown, and so has 'chatspeak'. People use it jokingly (I do! :P), etc.
So - we have removed the rule. If you've been given a warning in the past for it, your warning count will not go down, but that warning no longer counts (UAs can see what you've been warned for)
For those of you crying right now, because you're afraid of how the forums are going to start looking - don't worry. We've put in place a super cool chatspeak filter, that will slowly get better and better, and make annoying people less annoying ;)
Posted by Keith
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Awesome!
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While I completely understand the removal of chat speak from being a rule breaking offense; and that it will make it much easier for the Mods to find the real rule breakers...I fail to see the point of allowing it and then disallowing it via the new filter, isn't that quite contradictory? It will be interesting to see how this pans out...
I don't suppose it will affect my play though, as I will continue to think less of those who use it, taking the lazy way out and all, not to mention furthering the butchering of the English language altogether. <img src="http://www.subeta.org/images/smilies/6398_emoticon_raspberry.gif" border="0" /> I did think it was one of the rules that made Subeta stand apart from other sites, but Modding for chat speak usage must have been a small headache. =/ I hope those speaking another language won't be too confused by it though.
I don't suppose it will affect my play though, as I will continue to think less of those who use it, taking the lazy way out and all, not to mention furthering the butchering of the English language altogether. <img src="http://www.subeta.org/images/smilies/6398_emoticon_raspberry.gif" border="0" /> I did think it was one of the rules that made Subeta stand apart from other sites, but Modding for chat speak usage must have been a small headache. =/ I hope those speaking another language won't be too confused by it though.
The rule wasn't getting rid of the chatspeak, but I'm sure a filter will <img src="http://www.subeta.org/images/smilies/6398_emoticon_happy.gif" border="0" /> Strange thing for me is it actually takes longer for me to type in chatspeak than to just type properly. So I type properly, though on occasion I use lolspeak, the language of the lolcats.
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I'm sorry to say that I don't support the change, even with the filter. It's just perpetuating the fact that people in real life are becoming less and less able to write properly due to chatspeak. I've had young TEACHERS who use chatspeak in their lessons, and when they try and write out the words properly, they spell them incorrectly. "Rite" is not something one does on paper, and "strait" is still only useful if you're talking about geography. Str8 and its kin are unacceptable...pretty much anywhere.
Not only that, but filters also are imperfect at best, and end up not fixing some things while completely mangling others. I just don't feel that it's coding/tweaking time well-spent. Sorry if I'm treating it too much like "SRS BZNS," but I'd rather this not become the third site I have to leave due to mass illiteracy.
Not only that, but filters also are imperfect at best, and end up not fixing some things while completely mangling others. I just don't feel that it's coding/tweaking time well-spent. Sorry if I'm treating it too much like "SRS BZNS," but I'd rather this not become the third site I have to leave due to mass illiteracy.
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Fantastic plan. Let's hope it works...
@Sprinter137
Sorry but no. Especially the nonnative english speaking ones are going to be the ones that have the most trouble with the new nonrule.
If someone has poor english the last thing that he will use is chatspeak. There might be the common typos but believe me (or better read what has been postet from the nonnatives so far) non nonnative will us chatspeak because it is easier. No it will only make it harder because most of the abrations are expressions that are not really used that much unless you tend to hang around chat und messageboards that unfotunately do allow it.
Sorry but no. Especially the nonnative english speaking ones are going to be the ones that have the most trouble with the new nonrule.
If someone has poor english the last thing that he will use is chatspeak. There might be the common typos but believe me (or better read what has been postet from the nonnatives so far) non nonnative will us chatspeak because it is easier. No it will only make it harder because most of the abrations are expressions that are not really used that much unless you tend to hang around chat und messageboards that unfotunately do allow it.
Also, what is this nonsense about "This is a public area of the site, and the rules still apply"?? Keith, you need to either A. Get the rules back online somewhere, visible. B. Put this in this news post, or C. Explain this little disclaimer a bit better...... Because as far as I remember (and I may be wrong), there is no caveat in the rules about where they apply, other than maybe -which- forum to post in.... also, I thought the "no chat speak" rule was thrown out the window entirely.. so now you're saying it only 'doesn't apply' in certain areas? ....... Please clarify. Stat.
Lyk, omg, i think this rule might work for the better of for the worse.
I mean, I've never gotten a warning or anything for adding a joking "lol!" at the end of my post...
Or throwing one or two words of what is "technically" chat speak into it....
I'm not sure the rule change was necessary. I think it might just allow full-on chat speak.
BUT... I'm going to give the filters a chance to do their job. I only hope they work correctly and efficiently.
I mean, I've never gotten a warning or anything for adding a joking "lol!" at the end of my post...
Or throwing one or two words of what is "technically" chat speak into it....
I'm not sure the rule change was necessary. I think it might just allow full-on chat speak.
BUT... I'm going to give the filters a chance to do their job. I only hope they work correctly and efficiently.
Wow, when I first read this I was like "WHAT!? You're getting RID of that rule!?" but then I read about the filters, (yeah, I was one of the people who were crying. D : ) I was ok. They sound like they'll solve the problem for the most part. : D
So were we not allowed to say lol?? ( before this?) cause that I never knew.. heck didn't know it was chat speak per say..
You know, I figure it like this.. those who chat speak will talk together more often, non chat speak will talk together.. for the most part.. other than that us non chat speakers just ignore the funky comment..
You know, I figure it like this.. those who chat speak will talk together more often, non chat speak will talk together.. for the most part.. other than that us non chat speakers just ignore the funky comment..
o.O
Oh, joy. I get that chatspeak is often used jokingly, but enough to make it 'legal'? Ugh. I hope these filters work. x.x
Oh, joy. I get that chatspeak is often used jokingly, but enough to make it 'legal'? Ugh. I hope these filters work. x.x
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I'll put my trust in this. . .most of us seem so literate anyway. I'm sure if they made this rule on, say, another popular pet site which I won't mention, all Hades would break loose within an hour.
Thank you for being lenient to new users and merciful to old ones.
Thank you for being lenient to new users and merciful to old ones.
This makes me kind of hot. Don't really use most chatspeak, anyway, but it's going to be nice to be able to use some of it casually/jokingly without fear of the banhammer.
While they said it's allowed, they also said that the filter will remove/replace a lot of the chatspeak and more over time. Invision Free forums have a word filter on them so you can enter in certain words and have them replaced with a different one. It's a great feature, especially if you've ever ran your own forum. It saves a lot of time having to patrol everyone's posts for abuse. I think it's great that Subeta is installing a filter. It might be crazy at first but as they add more words to their list it'll get better. <img src="http://www.subeta.org/images/smilies/6398_emoticon_wink.gif" border="0" />
I think it's a good idea. As this is an international based site, some people may use chatspeak because they have poor english.
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"and make annoying people less annoying"
Promise? <img src="http://www.subeta.org/images/smilies/6398_emoticon_smile.gif" border="0" />
Promise? <img src="http://www.subeta.org/images/smilies/6398_emoticon_smile.gif" border="0" />
Oh, I thought of a question. Does this apply to the comments as well, or can you still use some words, like ''lol''?
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This will be so much fun. C8
"Some of us dont care what strangers on the internet think of us Shiva."<br /><br />Fair enough, but from my experience, most chatspeakers are young, emotional people who just want to fit in coughsamycoughs. Of course this doesn't apply to ALL chatspeakers.
I totally dislike chat speak,I tend to ignore people who use it in my comments box.I really do not think this is such a good idea.
When I use anything that deals with chat speak its all the time "lol / omg / you . I never use the words that end up with numbers in them .. seriously it looks stupid anyways... And I was warned twice just for using the lol or you .. I am sorry but there are certain chat speaks that should be ok and others with the dumb numbers should not.
I didn't even notice that rule.
I was wondering why Subeta was the most... literate site I've ever been on. XD
I was wondering why Subeta was the most... literate site I've ever been on. XD
Terrible idea. I can understand jokingly, but people should be able to REALIZE THAT. Sooner or later, with chatspeak being allowed, this place is going to go straight downhill. I can feel it.
<b>Quote:</b><blockquote style="padding:5px; line-height:15px; background-color: #FAFFFF; border: 1px solid #000000; font-family: georgia; font-size: 10;">A chatspeak filter?! AWESOME. Now all the u's can be turned into proper you's no matter what the poster types!</blockquote>
But then we would get stuck in an endless loop! It, instead of saying you, it will say "Yoyoyoyoyo..." for infinity!
Btw:
idk what i tink uvthisknew rool buht i nowthiswil bee fuhn lolz!!1!
But then we would get stuck in an endless loop! It, instead of saying you, it will say "Yoyoyoyoyo..." for infinity!
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idk what i tink uvthisknew rool buht i nowthiswil bee fuhn lolz!!1!
Too old to care <img src="http://www.subeta.org/images/smilies/6398_emoticon_raspberry.gif" border="0" /> lol
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When I first read my eyes kind of bugged but the filter could work. That would be oh so lovely if it because I do like being able to use lol without fear.
I'm still pretty anti-chatspeak but if the filter can make things...less chaotic then I'll give it a chance. I trust you guys enough to fix any problems that may come out of this.
I'm still pretty anti-chatspeak but if the filter can make things...less chaotic then I'll give it a chance. I trust you guys enough to fix any problems that may come out of this.
Some of us dont care what strangers on the internet think of us Shiva. <img src="http://www.subeta.org/images/smilies/6398_emoticon_wink.gif" border="0" />
<b>Quote:</b><blockquote style="padding:5px; line-height:15px; background-color: #FAFFFF; border: 1px solid #000000; font-family: georgia; font-size: 10;">There will be some who will use it excessively for a little while, simply because they can, but I think the novelty will wear off after a while. Not the end of the world.</blockquote>
This, <strong>exactly</strong>. <img src="http://www.subeta.org/images/smilies/6398_emoticon_smile.gif" border="0" /> Don't worry, guys. There's a method to the madness and wot-wot.
This, <strong>exactly</strong>. <img src="http://www.subeta.org/images/smilies/6398_emoticon_smile.gif" border="0" /> Don't worry, guys. There's a method to the madness and wot-wot.
I actually kind of liked people getting frozen over chatspeak. Figured it made them better internet-ers on other sites. xD
This shouldn't be too bad, though. Especially not when the rules on iced accounts are so stone-cold harsh around here...
This shouldn't be too bad, though. Especially not when the rules on iced accounts are so stone-cold harsh around here...
Oh god <img src="http://www.subeta.org/images/smilies/smiley_sadface.gif" border="0" /> <br /><br />Leave the chatspeak at your chatting programs, please. Remember that over the internet people judge your intelligence by your typing, and chatspeak makes you look rather dumb.
ok, i totally wanna see a list of the filter changes now like how you get mr. money and stuff
Thank you sooo much <img src="http://www.subeta.org/images/smilies/6398_emoticon_smile.gif" border="0" />
I'm so glad this rule is gone. To me it seemed like a silly thing to get up in arms over and freeze people for. Someone just made a board about how chatspeak should be allowed and everyone jumped all over them. *Wonders how many of those same people will come here and sing your praises Keith *grins..Subeta is full of flipfloppers. I think you should be able to hand out golden spatulas or something to the users that really get on your nerves with it <img src="http://www.subeta.org/images/smilies/6398_emoticon_wink.gif" border="0" /> Thanks!
I like the idea, although I am not sure if it was necessary.
Could it not apply to profiles though, or is there no way to change that?
Could it not apply to profiles though, or is there no way to change that?
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:3 cool. beans.
I'm over that age range and, like I said before, quite use to it since everyone in my guild in WoW uses it. Not to the extent where I squint and say "huh?" but enough to look strange to others. It just got easy for me after a while. I honestly don't see this as being a bad thing. However, that's just my honest opinion. <img src="http://www.subeta.org/images/smilies/6398_emoticon_smile.gif" border="0" />
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The filter will work on everything right? Comments and smail too, not just forums?
~waving farewell to the rule~ "I will miss you!"
I am another nonnative here. I know and barley use a handful of the most common expression. LOL WTF ROTFL NFBSK and smilies are about the extend my knowledge and usage of chatspeak.
So most of the things that have been postsd in chatspeak so far make absolutly no sense to me.
I am afraid that this will become common occurrence that most post in the forum will not be translateable.
Also...is there anybody above the age of 20-25 that HAS to use chatspeak and mourned that s/he wasn't able to do so so far.
@Galena You are not alone with you option.
I am another nonnative here. I know and barley use a handful of the most common expression. LOL WTF ROTFL NFBSK and smilies are about the extend my knowledge and usage of chatspeak.
So most of the things that have been postsd in chatspeak so far make absolutly no sense to me.
I am afraid that this will become common occurrence that most post in the forum will not be translateable.
Also...is there anybody above the age of 20-25 that HAS to use chatspeak and mourned that s/he wasn't able to do so so far.
@Galena You are not alone with you option.
Oh yaaay, I do rather enjoy macro-mocking and all that jazz.
Way I see it is, the type who use chatspeak incessantly in that way you hate would most likely just post spam and get locked/warned/whatever. My guess is that the rule will work as intended - to allow chatspeak to be used in an amusing way.
P.S. To those who've commented with chatspeak responses: You're not that clever. ):
Way I see it is, the type who use chatspeak incessantly in that way you hate would most likely just post spam and get locked/warned/whatever. My guess is that the rule will work as intended - to allow chatspeak to be used in an amusing way.
P.S. To those who've commented with chatspeak responses: You're not that clever. ):
Hmm, I don't like too much chatspeak but I'm going to give it time before I pass judgment.
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Not sure what the staff would say about the freezing thing, but seems to me that no, those who were frozen in the past for chat speak, should not be unfrozen. Until today no chatspeak was a rule, and those frozen for the breaking of that rule should stay frozen.
But I am not staff (Thank you for small favors!), so, it's just my opinion.
But I am not staff (Thank you for small favors!), so, it's just my opinion.
As I say before, I understand english enough, but I don't want to translate chatspeak. I have enough translating the stupid chatspeak from people in my own country, I don't want to deal with other places dumbness.