Greetings, Subetans!
A while back, we told you that we wanted to involve all of you more in the decision-making process when it comes to the way the site is run, so we are presenting you with just such an opportunity today!
As you may well know, we recently instituted double-blocking, a feature that automatically blocks anyone who has blocked you. We have received a lot of feedback on it; some has been positive, some has been negative, and all of it has been carefully considered. We have arrived at the conclusion that you, the users, should be the ones who ultimately decide whether or not we ought to keep this feature. However, before you head off to the Polls, you should carefully consider the pros and cons of the double-block system.
Pros include a potentially marked decrease in the amount of drama onsite; if two people who normally fight and argue at every turn no longer exist for one another, the opportunity for the altercation to continue onsite is dramatically reduced. You don't have to manually track who has blocked you so that you can avoid posting on their threads, making responses to them that they'll never see, or bidding on their forum auctions with no chance of winning. It can greatly simplify what can sometimes become a complicated situation, particularly for those who find themselves frequently blocked by their peers.
On the other hand, some people find that the Cons outweigh the benefits of the system. You cannot, for example, keep an eye out for users breaking rules to report to the moderation staff. Users may find their forum browsing experience significantly reduced if they are frequently blocked because they are unable to see posts from people by whom they might not personally be bothered or otherwise have no interest in blocking in return. Stickies, particularly those written by non-staff, may not be visible if the author has blocked you. Some unscrupulous users may even attempt to "cheat" out forum auctions by blocking all other bidders, effectively making their bids invisible to all but the auction-holder.
As you can see, there is a lot to consider, and we hope that you will give this matter some serious thought before arriving at your final conclusion. After all, the future of Subeta is in your hands!
Now GO VOTE!
A while back, we told you that we wanted to involve all of you more in the decision-making process when it comes to the way the site is run, so we are presenting you with just such an opportunity today!
As you may well know, we recently instituted double-blocking, a feature that automatically blocks anyone who has blocked you. We have received a lot of feedback on it; some has been positive, some has been negative, and all of it has been carefully considered. We have arrived at the conclusion that you, the users, should be the ones who ultimately decide whether or not we ought to keep this feature. However, before you head off to the Polls, you should carefully consider the pros and cons of the double-block system.
Pros include a potentially marked decrease in the amount of drama onsite; if two people who normally fight and argue at every turn no longer exist for one another, the opportunity for the altercation to continue onsite is dramatically reduced. You don't have to manually track who has blocked you so that you can avoid posting on their threads, making responses to them that they'll never see, or bidding on their forum auctions with no chance of winning. It can greatly simplify what can sometimes become a complicated situation, particularly for those who find themselves frequently blocked by their peers.
On the other hand, some people find that the Cons outweigh the benefits of the system. You cannot, for example, keep an eye out for users breaking rules to report to the moderation staff. Users may find their forum browsing experience significantly reduced if they are frequently blocked because they are unable to see posts from people by whom they might not personally be bothered or otherwise have no interest in blocking in return. Stickies, particularly those written by non-staff, may not be visible if the author has blocked you. Some unscrupulous users may even attempt to "cheat" out forum auctions by blocking all other bidders, effectively making their bids invisible to all but the auction-holder.
As you can see, there is a lot to consider, and we hope that you will give this matter some serious thought before arriving at your final conclusion. After all, the future of Subeta is in your hands!
Now GO VOTE!
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Keith
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If I was able to turn it off for myself, but let other people who need it have it turned on, then I'd vote yes, but as it stands, I'm voting no. As an on/off feature, it would be absolutely great.
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-I- want to choose who to block/don't want to see... and not get choosen by someone else. Esp since i do tend to Block users for just a short time when i need to calm down... that doesn't mean i want to block/be blocked for eternity. X3<br /> Besides... if ide-block someone, will i get de-blocked on thier list too? I don't think so, since it would make the whole sythem worthless. <br /><br /> Also: Peeps always will find ways to cause drama if the WANT to... like attacking that -prev. person they where mad at- friends and such. Just get new users into the circle and Drama goes on. ^^
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User not found:
This site is for fun. If certain people make it less fun for you then it's great that there's a way to totally remove them from your site experience. That is the only reason you should block people. Because you want them gone--for good--from your subeta life.
So to those saying people abuse the block feature, block friends over petty things, etc... Blocking has a lot more weight to it if one of the repercussions is that all ties are cut when you do it.
Without double blocking I can see how people would block each other just to show they are mad over some dumb thing or another. More drama, in other words.
I voted yes because, as I said, when I block people I don't care if they posted on the forums or what they said, etc. I'd rather have nothing to do with them at all--ever--and I think that's the only time blocking should be used. For any other reason it's abusing the feature, IMO.
So to those saying people abuse the block feature, block friends over petty things, etc... Blocking has a lot more weight to it if one of the repercussions is that all ties are cut when you do it.
Without double blocking I can see how people would block each other just to show they are mad over some dumb thing or another. More drama, in other words.
I voted yes because, as I said, when I block people I don't care if they posted on the forums or what they said, etc. I'd rather have nothing to do with them at all--ever--and I think that's the only time blocking should be used. For any other reason it's abusing the feature, IMO.
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Eternal
I'm for the idea, I don't like drama. But I can see how there may be cases where it'd be a pain, not a help. If someone blocks you in a simple fight between friends, for example, you might still want to keep track of them, or leave them with the option to message you again later.
Some people may just want to handle things their own way, too. So i think, maybe, it'd be smarter to have it notify you when someone blocks you, and ask if you'd also like to block them. Or maybe have double blocking a feature users can activate or disable in their own site preferences.
Some people may just want to handle things their own way, too. So i think, maybe, it'd be smarter to have it notify you when someone blocks you, and ask if you'd also like to block them. Or maybe have double blocking a feature users can activate or disable in their own site preferences.
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ZombieDoggie
I'm against double blocking, for me the cons outweigh the pro's in a big way. Also if you don't get along with someone why do we even need all this drama, why not just let it go and ignore that person. I can see blocking being needed only if your being continualy harassed. I think blocking should be used with caution and with good reason, I think some people block others on the spare of the moment and sometimes it's over petty things and they don't even think it through.
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splinter
I on a board dissicusing -I can't spell xP- double I gave a suggestion involving seesing posts by those who you have blocked or been blocked by.
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The idea being that all posts on forums posted by said blocked user are hidden, similar to how you hide posts on deviantart, and if you wish to view the post you click unhide, and if you don't then you can just ignore it.
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The idea being that all posts on forums posted by said blocked user are hidden, similar to how you hide posts on deviantart, and if you wish to view the post you click unhide, and if you don't then you can just ignore it.
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how about a list of the people who have blocked you? So you can choose to block them or not....
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WaveWatcher
I think its a brilliant idea but instead of automatically blocking them why not ask if you would like to block them because they blocked you.
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Wyld
I voted no
I am too mild mannered to ever want to block someone when I could just ignore them(like i would do in real life)and I am too polite for anyone to really want to block me. I can't even send a short message without reading it over first LoL!
*they ARE just words*
I am too mild mannered to ever want to block someone when I could just ignore them(like i would do in real life)and I am too polite for anyone to really want to block me. I can't even send a short message without reading it over first LoL!
*they ARE just words*
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Amae
Hmm... I'm glad they gave us the option of voting. But personally, I have no idea what to vote because I've never been faced with blockage problems. I'm trying to listen to both sides and it's a very interesting argument. I'll keep reading for opinions and then try and make an educated vote.
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SHiVA
<b>Quote:</b><blockquote style="padding:5px; line-height:15px; background-color: #FAFFFF; border: 1px solid #000000; font-family: georgia; font-size: 10;">You don't have to manually track who has blocked you so that you can avoid posting on their threads, making responses to them that they'll never see, or bidding on their forum auctions with no chance of winning.</blockquote>
Regarding that, if it hasn't already been mentioned, perhaps the programmers can add a warning to posts from people blocking you. Maybe put a big red stop sign in their post somewhere?
Regarding that, if it hasn't already been mentioned, perhaps the programmers can add a warning to posts from people blocking you. Maybe put a big red stop sign in their post somewhere?
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SHiVA
Who is voting for it? You enjoy having your freedoms taken away? You might think no one will want to block you because you don't cause trouble, but there are some crazies out there who block for minuscule reasons like disagreeing with them on whether or not cats make good pets.
I say just let people decide who they want to see posting. They shouldn't control other people's forum viewing.
But thank you Keith for letting us decide, that's why I keep coming back to the site.
I say just let people decide who they want to see posting. They shouldn't control other people's forum viewing.
But thank you Keith for letting us decide, that's why I keep coming back to the site.
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Cranberry
I voted against double-blocking, for reasons I've previously discussed in the forums:
Double-blocking would be fine if blocking was rare and always done for a good reason, but way too many people here are trigger-happy and will block for the tiniest reasons. I've seen several friends blocked just for disagreeing -- politely, I might add -- with someone in the debate forum. Maybe they find this person's posts interesting and agree most of the time, so why should their ability to read all of this person's posts be taken away forever just because they disagreed once? And as others have mentioned, some users block for even less than that -- not following their "trade rules," not haggling how they like, having a HA they find ugly... there's just too much potential for abuse. I also don't think it's such a good thing for two users to have all of their communication hidden from each other. What if one of the two blocks the other just so they can post personally identifying info about that person, make false claims about their trustworthiness, or do other things that could put the blockee in danger or tarnish their reputation on the site beyond repair? The blockee would have to wait for a friend to warn them, or be lucky enough to catch someone else quoting the blocker. A blockee should be able to keep an eye on anyone who could potentially have a vendetta against them.
Double-blocking would be fine if blocking was rare and always done for a good reason, but way too many people here are trigger-happy and will block for the tiniest reasons. I've seen several friends blocked just for disagreeing -- politely, I might add -- with someone in the debate forum. Maybe they find this person's posts interesting and agree most of the time, so why should their ability to read all of this person's posts be taken away forever just because they disagreed once? And as others have mentioned, some users block for even less than that -- not following their "trade rules," not haggling how they like, having a HA they find ugly... there's just too much potential for abuse. I also don't think it's such a good thing for two users to have all of their communication hidden from each other. What if one of the two blocks the other just so they can post personally identifying info about that person, make false claims about their trustworthiness, or do other things that could put the blockee in danger or tarnish their reputation on the site beyond repair? The blockee would have to wait for a friend to warn them, or be lucky enough to catch someone else quoting the blocker. A blockee should be able to keep an eye on anyone who could potentially have a vendetta against them.
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DaBluMeanie
Actually Crashy - there are lots of sheep on Subeta - haven't you been reading the ads?
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DaBluMeanie
Crashy - I was saying that double blocking was Subeta's way of having a restraining order --- of course blocking him here won't hide you from him in the real world --- but if your RL ExBFplays here and is annoying you --- then you would probably be glad he can't see you if you have blocked him because he was annoying you,
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Crash
So basically what you're is we can't think for ourselves and only do what the quote-cool-unquote people do.
I don't think so.
I don't think so.
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DaBluMeanie
Marreshaann - it is unfortunate that there is a pack mentality among some people/groups of people.
Lets not also forget the wannabee factor. Wannabees will do what percieved popular people do because they want to be popular.
This is how we end up with fads and trends. (whistles the noncorformist anthem - wink wink - along with the other nonconformists in the room)
Lets not also forget the wannabee factor. Wannabees will do what percieved popular people do because they want to be popular.
This is how we end up with fads and trends. (whistles the noncorformist anthem - wink wink - along with the other nonconformists in the room)
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Crash
I never said restraining orders didn't exist, I simply said they can't stop a person from seeing ones actions.
Say I put out a restraining order on a ex-boyfriend, and also block him here. He can see what I do in real life, but can't see what I do here. Do you understand what I'm saying. Comparing the two makes no sense.
Say I put out a restraining order on a ex-boyfriend, and also block him here. He can see what I do in real life, but can't see what I do here. Do you understand what I'm saying. Comparing the two makes no sense.
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Tris
Yeah. Leaving double-blocking up to staff won't work either. Sad to say, some people on this site get their panties in a twist over nothing and are so quick to scream OMG FAVORITISM when they don't get their way.
And for those who don't know, you already do get an event letting you know soandso has blocked you. You also have a list in your mailbox of who you have blocked and who has blocked you. (Believe me, it's easy to forget sometimes!)
I'm glad to see that people who have never experienced being blocked understand how unfair it is to have someone else control your experience of the site. I'm sorta kinda not against double-blocking as far as a persons profile, shop, trades, gifts, site events etc., but for the forums, it's just a HUGE mess. Forums, kind of a necessity of the site. Someone elses profile, not so much.
And for those who don't know, you already do get an event letting you know soandso has blocked you. You also have a list in your mailbox of who you have blocked and who has blocked you. (Believe me, it's easy to forget sometimes!)
I'm glad to see that people who have never experienced being blocked understand how unfair it is to have someone else control your experience of the site. I'm sorta kinda not against double-blocking as far as a persons profile, shop, trades, gifts, site events etc., but for the forums, it's just a HUGE mess. Forums, kind of a necessity of the site. Someone elses profile, not so much.
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Bastit
Thanks for giving us the option to express ourselves.
I voted No.
I was blocked unfairly for 3 random people around the site, and even if I know that those users will not make a thread against me, I don't want to be unable to see what I want around the forums.
I don't think the drama will stop putting a wall between two users, it's not the best way to deal with fights, Berlin confirmed that.
If I can't see what someone says about me, how I would be able to know if that user is harrasing me or targetting me? The only way would be asking to a friend that quote me what the user say, and asking to my friend again to quote my answer to that user, and in that way I will be breaking the rule of interact with blocked users.
A rule that involve the breaking of another rule it can't be good at all.
I voted No.
I was blocked unfairly for 3 random people around the site, and even if I know that those users will not make a thread against me, I don't want to be unable to see what I want around the forums.
I don't think the drama will stop putting a wall between two users, it's not the best way to deal with fights, Berlin confirmed that.
If I can't see what someone says about me, how I would be able to know if that user is harrasing me or targetting me? The only way would be asking to a friend that quote me what the user say, and asking to my friend again to quote my answer to that user, and in that way I will be breaking the rule of interact with blocked users.
A rule that involve the breaking of another rule it can't be good at all.
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Marreshaann
Childstar I agree with part of what you said(
I think some of the random blocking is friends of a blocked person.. that's just crazy.. that people can control what others see like that..)
It is like when you were a kid and did not like a person so your friend did not like them either even though they did nothing to that friend. Is it really going to be like this I am blocking this person so you should also block them.(Pack Mentality)
I think some of the random blocking is friends of a blocked person.. that's just crazy.. that people can control what others see like that..)
It is like when you were a kid and did not like a person so your friend did not like them either even though they did nothing to that friend. Is it really going to be like this I am blocking this person so you should also block them.(Pack Mentality)
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JESSYTA
The problem I personally see with leaving it up to staff is some people will insist there is favoritism if they don't get the doubleblock they request :/
As it stands, people accuse staff of favoritism just because they think people should be frozen for things and they aren't...
As it stands, people accuse staff of favoritism just because they think people should be frozen for things and they aren't...
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Kumari
That's a good idea, Twi.
Let the staff enforce a double block on a case by case basis. If you leave it up to users, people WILL take advantage of it and misuse it. People already misuse the blocking system without this double blocking put in. Take note how on just this page how many people have been blocked without even talking to a person.
We don't need to be such sissies about everything. Now the judgement/responsibility to simply do something that takes literally 20 seconds has to be regulated by the staff?
Not only that, but it leaves open NEW ways to manipulate and annoy that staff wouldn't be able to CONTROL.
I believe that the people here are smart enough to simply block someone if they want to. We can think for ourselves, folks.
Let the staff enforce a double block on a case by case basis. If you leave it up to users, people WILL take advantage of it and misuse it. People already misuse the blocking system without this double blocking put in. Take note how on just this page how many people have been blocked without even talking to a person.
We don't need to be such sissies about everything. Now the judgement/responsibility to simply do something that takes literally 20 seconds has to be regulated by the staff?
Not only that, but it leaves open NEW ways to manipulate and annoy that staff wouldn't be able to CONTROL.
I believe that the people here are smart enough to simply block someone if they want to. We can think for ourselves, folks.
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DaBluMeanie
MissXami - GREAT SUGGESTION -
Vagisil - I too have had the same happen - As was suggested - I returned the block so I would not accidently try to communicate with them and then pretty much forgot they existed, That's what I do when I am blocked! I don't see the point in going around a block to annoy someone.
I was also blocked by a friend - Still have no idea what happened there. Oh Well!
Crashy - evidently you have never seen a Harassment Restraining Order - they most definately do exist
Vagisil - I too have had the same happen - As was suggested - I returned the block so I would not accidently try to communicate with them and then pretty much forgot they existed, That's what I do when I am blocked! I don't see the point in going around a block to annoy someone.
I was also blocked by a friend - Still have no idea what happened there. Oh Well!
Crashy - evidently you have never seen a Harassment Restraining Order - they most definately do exist
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Thanks giving us the option to vote on it. <img src="http://images.subeta.net/smilies/6398_emoticon_heart.gif" border="0" />
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Zel
I really appreciate Subeta giving us a way to decide this for ourselves. Thanks <img src="http://images.subeta.net/smilies/6398_emoticon_grin.gif" border="0" />
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Childstar
I think some of the random blocking is friends of a blocked person.. that's just crazy.. that people can control what others see like that.. like I said, it should just be more of a one on one thing.. cant message you.. cant bid on junk.. etc..
just simple.
I think I need to remove some people I have blocked in the past.. over stupid comments I have seen them make on other pages.. I simply never wanted to communicate ONE on ONE with them..now, it just seems mean...
just simple.
I think I need to remove some people I have blocked in the past.. over stupid comments I have seen them make on other pages.. I simply never wanted to communicate ONE on ONE with them..now, it just seems mean...
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Twi
If someone blocks me, and I feel the need to block them back I'd like to have that choice thank you very much. I was blocked by someone randomly (I don't think I've ever noted their existence until I got the event) the other day, and I have no problem with them bidding on my auctions or seeing my forum posts.
Although, if the drama is getting out of hand, I think mods should have the ability to enforce a double blocking. Sort of like when kids can't get along, one stands in this corner, the other stands in the other, and until they come to say they'll behave, they are not to even look at each other. xD
Although, if the drama is getting out of hand, I think mods should have the ability to enforce a double blocking. Sort of like when kids can't get along, one stands in this corner, the other stands in the other, and until they come to say they'll behave, they are not to even look at each other. xD
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Vagisil
I was blocked by an Artist who I never even met or talked to. And since they're frequent in the forums I visit, it IS a disadvantage. Many of the recent complaint threads are about this issue. If somebody wants to block me, fine, but I don't want them to control what I can see.
So, I voted no.
So, I voted no.
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Childstar
Its really strange, I never knew that blocking went way beyond just one on one communication.. that's really kinda dorky. I didnt get that on the forum if someone I blocked in general talked I cant see it.. like is someone I have blocked says something on this news comment.. I cant see it??? What would I see nothing??
Blocking in general is kinda strange here, not like other websites..
Blocking in general is kinda strange here, not like other websites..
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MissXami
How's about the user is given an option like:
Block my posts from being seen by x user
Block x user's posts from the forums (aka they cant see the posts)
Block both
I'm sure most people just dont want to see another person's post
Block my posts from being seen by x user
Block x user's posts from the forums (aka they cant see the posts)
Block both
I'm sure most people just dont want to see another person's post
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roblerone
DaBlu, you can't seriously compare a bunch of people on the internet to a network of street gangs that numbers around 35,000 people, a group that deals in drugs and weapons and murder. You just... you know what, I give up. This is pointless.
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Marreshaann
I come on here to relax to get away from the real world for a little time as do others on here.So why should some other person on the other side of the world say the U.S for example(Nothing against the U.S) decide that I am not allowed to read anything they say.To me that is taking away my rights as an individual
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Crash
I voted no. I don't get blocked really, I've been blocked by a total of 5 people, one of which is frozen. And 3 of the 4 others are people I don't recall EVER interacting with.
And treating Double Blocking like a Restraining Order is an incorrect assumption, it doesn't quite work that way. RO's only stop the person from coming within a certain distance from you, whereas DBing stops them from seeing anything and everything that a person does. I don't want someone else controlling my options on the site because they got a little butthurt about something I did or said. How is that fair? If I went up to somebody and kicked them in the face, sure I could understand them wanting to have nothing to do with me, but because I told them or their friend to shut up, REALLY? I think blocking should have limitations, reasons. I'd like to know why someone chose to block me. Restraining Orders give you at least that much information.
And treating Double Blocking like a Restraining Order is an incorrect assumption, it doesn't quite work that way. RO's only stop the person from coming within a certain distance from you, whereas DBing stops them from seeing anything and everything that a person does. I don't want someone else controlling my options on the site because they got a little butthurt about something I did or said. How is that fair? If I went up to somebody and kicked them in the face, sure I could understand them wanting to have nothing to do with me, but because I told them or their friend to shut up, REALLY? I think blocking should have limitations, reasons. I'd like to know why someone chose to block me. Restraining Orders give you at least that much information.
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DaBluMeanie
roblerone - IN THE REAL WORLD - gang related activity is investigated - including gang related harassment - The PD does try to limit gang related illegal activities. You mean you never heard of the Crips or Bloods or Pink Ladies or Latin Kings?
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oh no... more learning... big words...
I feel like I have dyslexia or something...
I feel like I have dyslexia or something...
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Belphoebe_339
All double blocking is doing is automating something that a user should be completely capable of doing themselves. I just don't feel that enabling a feature that can be abused, and takes away an individual's choice is worth the automation.
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Judin
I voted no to double-blocking. The word "automatic" scared me away. I want control over who I can and cannot see.
I think it would be better with (and thereby agree with anyone else who has suggested) increased awareness of who is blocking you. A notification, as has been asked for, or a list available for those who want to know. It would reduce the drama, without attracting the cons of double-blocking.
I think it would be better with (and thereby agree with anyone else who has suggested) increased awareness of who is blocking you. A notification, as has been asked for, or a list available for those who want to know. It would reduce the drama, without attracting the cons of double-blocking.
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roblerone
<b>Quote:</b><blockquote style="padding:5px; line-height:15px; background-color: #FAFFFF; border: 1px solid #000000; font-family: georgia; font-size: 10;">IN THE REAL WORLD - if you are in a situation where you are being harassed - you can file a complaint with your local PD.</blockquote>
But, also IN THE REAL WORLD, if you were to file a complaint against every single person who disagrees with you over something trivial, or anyone who simply looks at you the wrong way, those folks at the PD would get tired of you rather quickly and they'd simply tell you to fuck off after the 86th complaint about someone chucking an egg in your direction.
The current blocking system encourages people to just frivolously block anyone they dislike or disagree with. And that's fine with me, as long as it doesn't affect what I can see on the boards. If the double blocking system required proof of continued harassment towards a person before the block would be enforced, I'd probably be a little more open to the idea.
But as it stands, people block over the most petty shit, and I definitely don't want <i>that</i> sort of people to control what I can or cannot see.
But, also IN THE REAL WORLD, if you were to file a complaint against every single person who disagrees with you over something trivial, or anyone who simply looks at you the wrong way, those folks at the PD would get tired of you rather quickly and they'd simply tell you to fuck off after the 86th complaint about someone chucking an egg in your direction.
The current blocking system encourages people to just frivolously block anyone they dislike or disagree with. And that's fine with me, as long as it doesn't affect what I can see on the boards. If the double blocking system required proof of continued harassment towards a person before the block would be enforced, I'd probably be a little more open to the idea.
But as it stands, people block over the most petty shit, and I definitely don't want <i>that</i> sort of people to control what I can or cannot see.
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DaBluMeanie
SweetSerenity - There were a few days where the targeting rule did not exist ans people INCLUDING MYSELF took advantage of it and targeted other users by name - Hey I figured if someone could create a board titled DaBluMeanie then the least I could do was reciprocate in a similar fashion.
The targeting and harassment rules have been tweaked recently and again you can't name names - or say enough for others to recognize.
Believe me - not everyone that blocks people that annoy and harass them are cowards. Sometimes it's the only way to deal with some people that don't know when to stop.
The targeting and harassment rules have been tweaked recently and again you can't name names - or say enough for others to recognize.
Believe me - not everyone that blocks people that annoy and harass them are cowards. Sometimes it's the only way to deal with some people that don't know when to stop.
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hollo
Here's my two cents:
I believe the double-blocking to be effective in most harrassment situations, but, from what I read of the news post (I've never blocked anyone) it says it is automatic, meaning you don't get a choice.
Now, while I know some people don't want other people to know that they've been blocked by X person, I think a good idea would be, actually, a notification that you were blocked, and the option to choose whether or not you want to block that person.
I haven't been able to read through all the comments posted on this news section yet, and I'm sure someone else has mentioned this. If it would work, and not cause too much of a problem with the system, I think that it would help with the auctioning problems, and other forum problems that could come with the double-blocking.
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I believe the double-blocking to be effective in most harrassment situations, but, from what I read of the news post (I've never blocked anyone) it says it is automatic, meaning you don't get a choice.
Now, while I know some people don't want other people to know that they've been blocked by X person, I think a good idea would be, actually, a notification that you were blocked, and the option to choose whether or not you want to block that person.
I haven't been able to read through all the comments posted on this news section yet, and I'm sure someone else has mentioned this. If it would work, and not cause too much of a problem with the system, I think that it would help with the auctioning problems, and other forum problems that could come with the double-blocking.
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Katy
Vote against double blocking!
While you can get a restraining order in real life the police won't gouge the eyes out of your harasser just so they can't see you. I don't think that other users should have a right to dictate what I can or can't see.
While you can get a restraining order in real life the police won't gouge the eyes out of your harasser just so they can't see you. I don't think that other users should have a right to dictate what I can or can't see.
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Beni_202
How about we receive an alert- or whatever you might call them- whenever we are blocked? And then if you so wish, you can block that person in return.
Or would this just cause more drama? It's a tough issue... but as things are now, I don't support double-blocking.
Or would this just cause more drama? It's a tough issue... but as things are now, I don't support double-blocking.
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Marreshaann
Ok i have been thinking about this,I do agree with what some people have said about others dictating what they can and cannot read why should one Small Minded Person decide what I Can read and Cannot read.
There will still be Drama on here it will make no difference if someone blocks someone else Friends will tell them what is being said about them. So and so said something about So and So friend tells friend that so and so said something about them so the Drama continues.Hope this makes sense.
There will still be Drama on here it will make no difference if someone blocks someone else Friends will tell them what is being said about them. So and so said something about So and So friend tells friend that so and so said something about them so the Drama continues.Hope this makes sense.
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Serenity
<b>Quote:</b><blockquote style="padding:5px; line-height:15px; background-color: #FAFFFF; border: 1px solid #000000; font-family: georgia; font-size: 10;">
I personally think the double blocking is a good idea in the situation of harassment. Better to have the blinds drawn than to allow the drama to continue ad nauseum. The old addage "Out Of Sight - Out Of Mind" seems an apporpriate notation for this.</blockquote>
Not every case of blocking is because of harassment though and why should all blocks include forced censorship because of it. Before the change to the blocking system that hid posts of people you had blocked, I used the blocking feature to block people would would bid junk and spam my trades with falsely inflated crap. Since the change because I did not want to be unable to read posts of others on a public forum I completely cleared my block list and stopped using trades. Even not blocking anyone the forced no contact rule *aka hiding posts and comments* drastically changed my forum play as it essentially has forced me to stop using trades.
I've noticed since the double block has been added to the site many situations where a person has blocked a user and then because the blocked individual can't see their posts or comments have openly trashed them to others on forums and in other users comments. Some people are blocking users crying harassment when in reality they don't like an outspoken person and don't have the balls to disagree with them or tell them what they think about them so the outspoken person is blocked and the blocker then says all the shit they didn't have the guts to say in the first place. Double blocking is just enabling cowards.
I personally think the double blocking is a good idea in the situation of harassment. Better to have the blinds drawn than to allow the drama to continue ad nauseum. The old addage "Out Of Sight - Out Of Mind" seems an apporpriate notation for this.</blockquote>
Not every case of blocking is because of harassment though and why should all blocks include forced censorship because of it. Before the change to the blocking system that hid posts of people you had blocked, I used the blocking feature to block people would would bid junk and spam my trades with falsely inflated crap. Since the change because I did not want to be unable to read posts of others on a public forum I completely cleared my block list and stopped using trades. Even not blocking anyone the forced no contact rule *aka hiding posts and comments* drastically changed my forum play as it essentially has forced me to stop using trades.
I've noticed since the double block has been added to the site many situations where a person has blocked a user and then because the blocked individual can't see their posts or comments have openly trashed them to others on forums and in other users comments. Some people are blocking users crying harassment when in reality they don't like an outspoken person and don't have the balls to disagree with them or tell them what they think about them so the outspoken person is blocked and the blocker then says all the shit they didn't have the guts to say in the first place. Double blocking is just enabling cowards.
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Golden_Eyes
I don't think people should be notified they've been blocked, and when they go to comment on the blocker's profile, the comment box, and 'contact this user' stuff disappears.
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splinter
I would also like to say for a negative, people block randomly, and also people will block so that THEY can control what you see.
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I am really impressed that we have user input in an administrative aspect of the site. Once again, Subeta really takes into account the opinions of the users, which is an amazing aspect of the site.
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kiwi_714
this is just fair.-
Libre Alberdrio for everyone.-
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Libre Alberdrio for everyone.-
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DaBluMeanie
IN THE REAL WORLD - if you are in a situation where you are being harassed - you can file a complaint with your local PD. If the person/s continues to harass you, and you have already filed a complaint, then you can go to the courthouse and request a restraining order. If that does not work and they violate the restraining order, the police can and will issue a ticket/s, where the harasser/s either pay a fine or go to court. If the option of court is chosen then the consequence could be a fine or jail. If it continues then the charge is changed from harassment to stalking and the consequence is more severe.
Subeta is not the real world, however it operates with a real world. While our words to each other may be pixelated, don't dehumanize the people that are creating those pixelated words, for they are living breathing beings.
I personally think the double blocking is a good idea in the situation of harassment. Better to have the blinds drawn than to allow the drama to continue ad nauseum. The old addage "Out Of Sight - Out Of Mind" seems an apporpriate notation for this.
Subeta is not the real world, however it operates with a real world. While our words to each other may be pixelated, don't dehumanize the people that are creating those pixelated words, for they are living breathing beings.
I personally think the double blocking is a good idea in the situation of harassment. Better to have the blinds drawn than to allow the drama to continue ad nauseum. The old addage "Out Of Sight - Out Of Mind" seems an apporpriate notation for this.
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Tris
Has the drama REALLY been reduced by double-blocking? It's going to happen. Period. Double blocking only hurts those who don't do the blocking.
And for those that have ever been blocked, think about if you would like someone else making your forum decisions? Why on earth should someone else be able to dictate what I see?
Think about this for EVERYONE, not just for yourself. Vote NO on censorship.
Also, if you want privacy, then stay out of the public eye. Not a hard concept to figure out. :|
And for those that have ever been blocked, think about if you would like someone else making your forum decisions? Why on earth should someone else be able to dictate what I see?
Think about this for EVERYONE, not just for yourself. Vote NO on censorship.
Also, if you want privacy, then stay out of the public eye. Not a hard concept to figure out. :|
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Santa
Thanks Keith. Regardless of which option wins, its still nice that you actually gave us a chance to vote on it. <img src="http://images.subeta.net/smilies/6398_emoticon_smile.gif" border="0" />
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Swirl
Whatever the outcome, it's really interesting to see how the votes are laid out.
I'm kinda surprised there's only a 300 vote difference right now. It seemed like there was a lot more people against double-blocking, but perhaps we're just that much more vocal on the boards.
I'm kinda surprised there's only a 300 vote difference right now. It seemed like there was a lot more people against double-blocking, but perhaps we're just that much more vocal on the boards.
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User not found:
uch. i get sooo pissed at double-blocking
h8 it so much!
u should b able 2 decide if u want to block someone it your choice!
and its SOOOOO anoying when ppl cheat
anyway thabks keith 4 letting us choose <img src="http://images.subeta.net/smilies/6398_emoticon_smile.gif" border="0" />
h8 it so much!
u should b able 2 decide if u want to block someone it your choice!
and its SOOOOO anoying when ppl cheat
anyway thabks keith 4 letting us choose <img src="http://images.subeta.net/smilies/6398_emoticon_smile.gif" border="0" />
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Diana_Marie
Look I'm not here to argue with you.
Don't make this about what I say. You've voted and posted your thoughts. Why not let others do the same?
Don't make this about what I say. You've voted and posted your thoughts. Why not let others do the same?
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Marreshaann
Not too sure about this,Why can't people just be big enough to Ignore the Drama on here if someone has a problem with another person why must their friends jump on the bandwagon.
I have been blocked by one person I have not spoken to or had any contact with as far as I know so I do not know why they blocked me, another has blocked me because I called them a scammer.As for blocking someone well I have done it because the were begging me for sp i dislike beggars.
I have been blocked by one person I have not spoken to or had any contact with as far as I know so I do not know why they blocked me, another has blocked me because I called them a scammer.As for blocking someone well I have done it because the were begging me for sp i dislike beggars.
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Naj
<b>Quote:</b><blockquote style="padding:5px; line-height:15px; background-color: #FAFFFF; border: 1px solid #000000; font-family: georgia; font-size: 10;">This isn't about censorship is about your right for privacy and protecting yourself.</blockquote>
Yes, and you're completely welcome to block/protect yourself all you want. However, "I can't see you, you can't see me." doesn't work in reallife and it shouldn't work here. You dont want to see me.. fine. But you don't get to decide what I see also.
Yes, and you're completely welcome to block/protect yourself all you want. However, "I can't see you, you can't see me." doesn't work in reallife and it shouldn't work here. You dont want to see me.. fine. But you don't get to decide what I see also.
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Kumari
I voted no. The cons do outweigh the pros.
If you want to black someone, it's not hard to go to your preferences and type a username in. Even easier... copy and paste a username in and press a button.
I'm sure everyone who wants to can do that simple task.
If you want to black someone, it's not hard to go to your preferences and type a username in. Even easier... copy and paste a username in and press a button.
I'm sure everyone who wants to can do that simple task.
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JESSYTA
<b>Quote:</b><blockquote style="padding:5px; line-height:15px; background-color: #FAFFFF; border: 1px solid #000000; font-family: georgia; font-size: 10;">You can't come to my home and read my mail, if I get into a fight with someone there isn't 1-1000 people standing around taking sides. It's between us.</blockquote>We can't read mail on here, blocked or otherwise. Bad comparison.
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MEAT
someone blocked me for no reason aswell, I didn't even know the person existed until I just checked the people who blocked me o__o and they're the only person blocking me, aswell... I voted no on the double-blocking, regardless, because if people can't see posts on threads such as debate or probably any thread then they might not get what's going on when they're looking at, even if it's just missing one post.
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Diana_Marie
In real life you have the right not to have contact with someone you don't wish to. Why should be Subeta be any different. You can't come to my home and read my mail, if I get into a fight with someone there isn't 1-1000 people standing around taking sides. It's between us.
This is a pet site and yes it's pixels but<strong> we are dealing with real people, people get hurt by words and actions</strong>.
This isn't about censorship is about your right for privacy and protecting yourself.
This is a pet site and yes it's pixels but<strong> we are dealing with real people, people get hurt by words and actions</strong>.
This isn't about censorship is about your right for privacy and protecting yourself.
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Scy64
Though I've never been blocked, I voted no. I see the potential for this system to be abused (though I'm sure it wouldn't happen often, I'd rather it not happen at all). While of course I hope that no one has a reason to block anyone else, I know that isn't the case. But I'm also hoping that people who've been blocked by others will just go and manually block that person themselves if they don't want to deal with that person. I'm guessing it's not that hard to block another user. And then we don't have to have a forced double blocking but users CAN have the option of creating their own "double block" if they want it.
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Coco
Wow, I have to say that the poll is a bit closer than I thought it would be with this idea. =/
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Dusk_295
Voted yes. But then I don't really know anyone here to worry about blocking or being blocked. Yay.
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xjx
i voted no. recently ive been blocked by 2 people for no reason. i havent even directly spoken to either of them. one i knew was a very block-happy user. the other, i dont even recall even addressing their existance in any way shape or form. they just blocked me one day for no reason.
its stupid, and the last thing users need is to have their forum experience hindered by random block-happy users. it would really suck if people that constantly block people post in topics like "ToT the person above you", because they would just fuck up the posting order if the post above/below them is someone they blocked.
its stupid, and the last thing users need is to have their forum experience hindered by random block-happy users. it would really suck if people that constantly block people post in topics like "ToT the person above you", because they would just fuck up the posting order if the post above/below them is someone they blocked.
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Belphoebe_339
I voted no. An event should suffice. I'm not blocked by anyone, myself, and I've never blocked anyone on this site, regardless of annoyance factor. I can't imagine I ever will. I'd like to make that decision on my own, thanks.
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Mistrice
I have to say that I agree with a lot of the pros. I agree that it is annoying trying to talk with people you forgot have blocked you, and autioning with no chance of winning. The cons, however, seem to outway the pros. Is there a way to add a feature so that instead of automatically blocking back, the people who have blocked you are marked in a noticeable way? Like, an exclamation point by their name, or something? I think, in that way, it would keep the pros and avoid the cons, but might be a lot more work... Sorry!
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Childstar
Sweet has a wonderful point!!!
This is why, I just wonder, why do we need to see names of people who blocked us.. if I contact them, and cant.. the dur I know that I have been blocked.. isnt that how most places work..
This is why, I just wonder, why do we need to see names of people who blocked us.. if I contact them, and cant.. the dur I know that I have been blocked.. isnt that how most places work..
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Magi
I voted no, as I don't want to be controlled by what I can and can not view just because someone has gone and blocked me over the silliest of things. As said before, I think it would just encourage for abuse of the blocking feature. I don't block because I don't like missing posts, and I try to be more open minded about other's opinions, depending on what the issue is about. I don't want to have a feature tacked on me just because one or two users are upset over how they're being treated on the site.
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JESSYTA
I voted no. Just recently someone I had never heard of blocked me. I had no idea why. So I wanted to check and see if maybe they had posted on a thread I had, or vice versa. I couldn't.
Double Blocking may reduce drama, but it also ensures that if you have a problem with someone and block them, that problem will likely NEVER be resolved.
Double Blocking may reduce drama, but it also ensures that if you have a problem with someone and block them, that problem will likely NEVER be resolved.
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Serenity
I voted no because I have only ever been blocked once and it was by someone whom I had never spoken with, never saw a trade from, to my knowledge never posted on the same forum as or for that matter ever had even seen the name of before they blocked me. With the system as it is not being able to see their posts yet alone even their profile prevents you from even figuring out why the hell someone blocked you to begin with. If the double block is kept in place it should become mandatory that you have to give a reason when you block a user as sometime the blocked person is left scratching their head wondering why they where blocked or for that matter who the hell the person was that blocked them to begin with. As it is right now the double block is like a restraining order,only you can put it against someone for something as simple as you don't like the shirt on their HA.
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Childstar
I dont wish to see who has blocked me.. I could careless, most times I dont know why.. and I tend to block people I see causing drama with others.. and they dont really need to know I blocked them either..
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Thank you for giving us a say in this. but I think it should be an individual choice. It seems that even if each other is blocked, the posts will still show to everyone else, so the drama is still there.
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Naj
Just because someone blocks me, doesn't mean I want to block them. I voted no. you should to. Censorship = Bad
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BLAZE
Also, I don't see why anyone shouldn't vote. Even if you haven't blocked anyone or been blocked so far in your Subeta experience, doesn't mean the outcome of this poll doesn't affect you.
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Lyanna_421
I support double blocking. The blocked users have no reason to see my post, and they can get the gist of the post without the posts from the users who have blocked them. I think it should be an option on users preferences. If you block someone, you can choose the double block feature, or just a normal block. I have no idea what that would include, but whatever.
Again, why is it so important that blocked users need to whine about a few posts missing from a thread?
Again, why is it so important that blocked users need to whine about a few posts missing from a thread?
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Petcollector
Can't we all just get along. <img src="http://images.subeta.net/smilies/6398_emoticon_raspberry.gif" border="0" /> I think it's great that Keith is giving everyone a say in this though - just wish it didn't even have to be an issue and that everyone could just play nice and respect others feelings and opinions.
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LOVE
Well, the downside of the whole ''we can block the users back'' is that we can't block all the users back. We can't block staff such as artists, writers, etc.
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Piraiya
Even though I don't frequent the forums enough to be really affected by this, I voted "NO" just in case. I would like to be able to see everyone's posts unless I personally block them.
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LizBlackDog
Thank you. Thank you very much. If the majority of users support double-blocking, I'll try and stop complaining about it, but as I've said, I found it inexplicably unfair and heavy-handed to make any other user capable of hiding chunks of the forums from me without my consent, without even having to have a reason. It seems so out of keeping with Subeta's general attitude about free choice and censorship.
Again, thank you for putting it in our hands.
Again, thank you for putting it in our hands.
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Seven_539
Making a poll for this is a great idea x3
I agree with several points from PROS, but I voted against.
I can just manually block the other person :/
I agree with several points from PROS, but I voted against.
I can just manually block the other person :/
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Midnight_916
I don't like being kept in the dark - can't a user just block back? I don't like decisions being made for me. :|
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Thrinoskia
Long post might be long, but it's also informative. <img src="http://images.subeta.net/smilies/6398_emoticon_raspberry.gif" border="0" />
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adi_663
Thanks for making a poll on it, it's nice to see this isn't going to be all "Well we decided this way and that's how it's gonna be, so screw you" xD
Anyway, I voted no. I don't like the fact that anyone can block me for whatever stupid reason they feel like and then just like that I won't be able to see their posts anymore. Plus, everything else mentioned in the cons list :p
Anyway, I voted no. I don't like the fact that anyone can block me for whatever stupid reason they feel like and then just like that I won't be able to see their posts anymore. Plus, everything else mentioned in the cons list :p
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YuanSang
I just wanted to mention another point. For sure it might be anoying to track everybody who blocked you by yourself but isn't a short message like "XY has blocked you" much enough for these circumstances? I even think there's no longer a way given to talk about problems or say sorry if one recognizes his/her mistake because...it's blocked. Or did I get it wrong?
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roblerone
Voted against, even though I do agree with some of the pros.
However, I simply hate it when other people decide for me what I can and cannot see. Censorship blows.
Thanks for letting us users decide, by the way, regardless of the outcome.
However, I simply hate it when other people decide for me what I can and cannot see. Censorship blows.
Thanks for letting us users decide, by the way, regardless of the outcome.
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Kat77
I'm not sure that I should bother to vote at all, being as I have never blocked, nor been blocked by someone, and honestly doubt that i will ever be or will need to block someone.
If/when that time comes, then I might have an opinion on this <img src="http://images.subeta.net/smilies/6398_emoticon_raspberry.gif" border="0" />
If/when that time comes, then I might have an opinion on this <img src="http://images.subeta.net/smilies/6398_emoticon_raspberry.gif" border="0" />
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Destiny
Thank you Keith for this. I (and I am sure others) appreciate getting a say in this <img src="http://images.subeta.net/smilies/6398_emoticon_smile.gif" border="0" />
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Nox
Just read it, it's not so long <img src="http://images.subeta.net/smilies/6398_emoticon_wink.gif" border="0" />
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Ugh. Long post is long.
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