State of the Union User Shops: One Month Later
I can't say there weren't a few bumps along the way, but I'd like to start off by saying I think the release of the new user shops has been one of our most successful in a while. There weren't very many, but we've been able to fix most of the bugs that weren't caught during the initial testing period (including at least a couple that seem to have miraculously fixed themselves with no intervention from us at all!), and have tweaked interfaces here and there based on your feedback, which we will continue to do.
As was said when we first announced this project, one of the major reasons we were revamping the user shops now (when, to be honest, it's been on our to-do list for a few years) was due to the 502 and 504 errors that have been plaguing the site since our move from Rackspace to AWS. While the new shops didn't completely solve the problem, we did see the volume of 5xx errors reduced by more than 75%, which we were cautiously optimistic about. They were clearly still a problem, but we started to have an end in sight (keep an eye out for a post from
Keith about how we've seen almost no 5xx errors at all in the past few days since the removal of pusher.js - which was a big surprise!).
The new user shops have relieved so much strain on the servers and the database. Even buying from the legacy shops still being available via shop search has had a much smaller impact than we initially anticipated, so I'm happy to announce to you all that the legacy shops will remain in shop search results indefinitely!
Last but not least, gallery item limits have been raised once again, to allow 7,500 unique items per gallery for everyone, and 10,000 unique items for Gold Account users. These, along the current shop limits of 2,000 and 2,500, are likely to be the final item limits. That said, we will continue to monitor the new system and make adjustments as we see fit.
Thank you all so much for sticking with us through these tough times. You guys are why we do what we do!
As was said when we first announced this project, one of the major reasons we were revamping the user shops now (when, to be honest, it's been on our to-do list for a few years) was due to the 502 and 504 errors that have been plaguing the site since our move from Rackspace to AWS. While the new shops didn't completely solve the problem, we did see the volume of 5xx errors reduced by more than 75%, which we were cautiously optimistic about. They were clearly still a problem, but we started to have an end in sight (keep an eye out for a post from
Keith about how we've seen almost no 5xx errors at all in the past few days since the removal of pusher.js - which was a big surprise!).The new user shops have relieved so much strain on the servers and the database. Even buying from the legacy shops still being available via shop search has had a much smaller impact than we initially anticipated, so I'm happy to announce to you all that the legacy shops will remain in shop search results indefinitely!
Last but not least, gallery item limits have been raised once again, to allow 7,500 unique items per gallery for everyone, and 10,000 unique items for Gold Account users. These, along the current shop limits of 2,000 and 2,500, are likely to be the final item limits. That said, we will continue to monitor the new system and make adjustments as we see fit.
Thank you all so much for sticking with us through these tough times. You guys are why we do what we do!
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Mike
any chance we can get rid of this absolutely awful 1 item per second buying limit. There are so many items i need to mass buy :( and its basically intolerable even for shops with big piles.
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grace
Quote by keith:
and in addition to that, the more items that continue to get purchased from legacy shops, the less of an effect they have :)
We're confident that we can leave the legacy shop up as items get purchased without causing problems for the site.
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ViretyEnten
I love you so much! Keep going and doing your thing you wonderful people you!
I'm a lifer!
I'm a lifer!
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just2b
will the non-GAs be able to get the option to move items into collections soon? That was an awesome feature I loved during the one week GA
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lull
Glad the errors are down but very sad to here the shops will not be getting any larger. With that in mind might we be allowed more of them?
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Speiro
Quote by @Keith:
Then why does the new shop limit have to be so low?
The real problem with the legacy shops was all of the actions happening (buying, repricing, putting in, taking out, etc) so frequently. We've built the new system to ensure that those actions all take place on separate places.
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DaBluMeanie
I haven't been active on the site in a long time....I like the changes....I'm in the process of closing down my legacy shops and galleries and moving things to new shops and galleries.
It's time consuming...and that's OK...because it is helping me to refamiliarize myself with items and restocking.
I know that I had some achievements that were shop...gallery and item related....how will that pan out for getting to the next levels since the old shops have been deleted?
BTW GREAT JOB! Thanks :)
It's time consuming...and that's OK...because it is helping me to refamiliarize myself with items and restocking.
I know that I had some achievements that were shop...gallery and item related....how will that pan out for getting to the next levels since the old shops have been deleted?
BTW GREAT JOB! Thanks :)
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rhino_loupe
@Slowerthanzero I just picked a random item from my wishlist and searched for it. Storm Potion. 11 are available in shops. Of those 11, 9 are in legacy shops. If the legacy shops were removed, there would only be 2 Storm Potions available to buy on the whole site. It only takes 2 people to decide that they want a storm pet, and the whole stock of Storm Potions is depleted.
Alternatively, if we didn't have legacy shops now, anyone could drop 30mil, buy both of those potions, and hike up the price to whatever they liked because they'd be the only person on the whole site selling the item. Right now, someone would have to pay 219mil to get a monopoly on that item. The larger quantity of items and the higher prices in legacy shops protect us from scalpers.
There's one potion at 50 mil. If I wanted to make some money from reselling, I could buy 11 potions and set the price to 100mil each, and hope that someone is desperate enough to pay it. I'd only need to sell 2 to get into profit. Or I could buy 10 potions and be forced to set the price below 50mil. So it doesn't matter if that one expensive potion sits there forever and never gets bought, because it's protecting the price of the item and keeping it below 50 mil, which is better for the average user. It requires a scalper to make a bigger investment (and thus a greater risk) if they wanted to gain monopoly on the item.
It's probably not the best example since it can be restocked in the TS any time, but it's a demonstration that demand has outstripped supply recently, there aren't enough of the item in the new shops to sustain the current price, and this would be so much worse if legacy shops were removed. So the point is that in order to protect prices, we'd need pretty much every item on the site to come into circulation again (or be available somehow) before it's safe to get rid of legacy shops.
Alternatively, if we didn't have legacy shops now, anyone could drop 30mil, buy both of those potions, and hike up the price to whatever they liked because they'd be the only person on the whole site selling the item. Right now, someone would have to pay 219mil to get a monopoly on that item. The larger quantity of items and the higher prices in legacy shops protect us from scalpers.
There's one potion at 50 mil. If I wanted to make some money from reselling, I could buy 11 potions and set the price to 100mil each, and hope that someone is desperate enough to pay it. I'd only need to sell 2 to get into profit. Or I could buy 10 potions and be forced to set the price below 50mil. So it doesn't matter if that one expensive potion sits there forever and never gets bought, because it's protecting the price of the item and keeping it below 50 mil, which is better for the average user. It requires a scalper to make a bigger investment (and thus a greater risk) if they wanted to gain monopoly on the item.
It's probably not the best example since it can be restocked in the TS any time, but it's a demonstration that demand has outstripped supply recently, there aren't enough of the item in the new shops to sustain the current price, and this would be so much worse if legacy shops were removed. So the point is that in order to protect prices, we'd need pretty much every item on the site to come into circulation again (or be available somehow) before it's safe to get rid of legacy shops.
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Mackenzi
Wow, shops didn't get an increase too? Good thing I love having a bunch of items I can't get rid of just sitting around. Fingers crossed the crystal shop gets new items released too.
Thanks for upping the final gallery amount...
Thanks for upping the final gallery amount...
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Keith
A lot of the items in legacy shops are from users who no longer get on the site. There are some active users who haven't moved their items over, but that isn't the majority of the items sitting there. The real problem with the legacy shops was all of the actions happening (buying, repricing, putting in, taking out, etc) so frequently. We've built the new system to ensure that those actions all take place on separate places.
We're confident that we can leave the legacy shop up as items get purchased without causing problems for the site.
We're confident that we can leave the legacy shop up as items get purchased without causing problems for the site.
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Slowerthanzero
@Memoria yeah I agree with that. A little more time but not indefinitely. And then find a way to transfer their items to the vault.
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Memoria
@Slowerthanzero I was under the impression legacy shops could not be priced anymore, but I could be wrong. Items can no longer be added, only removed for sure.
I'd give it another couple of months, that also gives people who may be inactive due to school or whatever, a chance to come back and sort out their shops. They do need to make a point to give more time if they do go that route, and not try and get everything changed in a week or suddenly. A proper amount of warning.
I'd give it another couple of months, that also gives people who may be inactive due to school or whatever, a chance to come back and sort out their shops. They do need to make a point to give more time if they do go that route, and not try and get everything changed in a week or suddenly. A proper amount of warning.
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Slowerthanzero
@Memoria
I dunno. I still don't quite get that. Cause in all honesty, the cheapest items are what are at the top of the list and what most questers purchase and imo that would be the active users since they price/auto price the most frequently. I'm honestly not sure if legacy shops are still allowed to autoprice or not. I know they can't add new items to said shops, or at least I believe they cannot.
I honestly think the old shops need to be removed soon and the items in them auto moved to each person's vault.
I dunno. I still don't quite get that. Cause in all honesty, the cheapest items are what are at the top of the list and what most questers purchase and imo that would be the active users since they price/auto price the most frequently. I'm honestly not sure if legacy shops are still allowed to autoprice or not. I know they can't add new items to said shops, or at least I believe they cannot.
I honestly think the old shops need to be removed soon and the items in them auto moved to each person's vault.
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Memoria
@Slowerthanzero I think at this point, the legacy shops are still needed, I do all my quests daily, and I am still purchasing quite a bit from the old shops, not as much as when we first switched over, where I know people were having serious trouble with quests. I think in another month or two questing won't be so heavily reliant on the legacy shops. Admittedly, mainly what I am buying from legacy shops are more expensive items for Saggi and such, but still need them.
I honestly don't know how the staff would go about dealing with inactive user shops, they might not be willing to go into accounts and move items to vaults. Determining what constitutes inactive, etc.
I honestly don't know how the staff would go about dealing with inactive user shops, they might not be willing to go into accounts and move items to vaults. Determining what constitutes inactive, etc.
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Slowerthanzero
I would just like to ask how so many people think the legacy shops are required to help maintain the economy?
The way I see it, Galleries, sure, since those don't affect search results I wont talk about legacy galleries. But why keep legacy shops around? In my opinion, if a legacy shop hasn't been un-stocked and all the items put into a new shop, then why should it remain? Most of those legacy shops that never get changed over are likely dead user accounts anyway. With a 2000/2500 item limit for people, I don't see how converting over would be such a big deal for active players. It's also not like we can't have more than one shop for selling things if the 2000/2500 limit isn't enough space. We have massive gallery space now so 1-2 of those per person would likely be more than enough to store galleries and then the other shop slots can go to actual shops by actual active users.
Now I do realize NOT ALL legacy shops are inactive users, however, a lot of them will be so how is it helping the economy to give money to an inactive user?
The way I see it, Galleries, sure, since those don't affect search results I wont talk about legacy galleries. But why keep legacy shops around? In my opinion, if a legacy shop hasn't been un-stocked and all the items put into a new shop, then why should it remain? Most of those legacy shops that never get changed over are likely dead user accounts anyway. With a 2000/2500 item limit for people, I don't see how converting over would be such a big deal for active players. It's also not like we can't have more than one shop for selling things if the 2000/2500 limit isn't enough space. We have massive gallery space now so 1-2 of those per person would likely be more than enough to store galleries and then the other shop slots can go to actual shops by actual active users.
Now I do realize NOT ALL legacy shops are inactive users, however, a lot of them will be so how is it helping the economy to give money to an inactive user?
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Lexx
I still feel that how the change was announced, tested, and the original time frame was all poorly executed, and I hope that staff have learned some things on how to launch new largescale changes. That aside, I am pleased (but not surprised) that the errors have reduced. I am also not surprised that pusher.js had been a huge problem. There have also been other changes over the past few weeks that have likely reduced errors as well, so taken together, that is good news.
As for the legacy shops, I am torn. I understand we need them in our economy still (which was the main reason many of us did not want them taken out), but Subeta is HORRIBLE about keeping old code around. The stocking fiasco this past year? Caused by keeping old code around. Half of the errors we get whenever something new is rolled out is because of the patchwork old and new coding. At some point, the old coding of those legacy shops will likely become a problem (just based on all the other experiences we've had on Subeta across the years). Rather than "indefinitely," why not just set a long time frame? Like, say, the shops will be around for six months. Or even a year. After that, the items get tossed into vaults, or auto-converted into a new shop. Since you cannot add new items, a lot of those large shops should be MUCH lower within 6m-1y anyway. And if someone hasn't switched it within a year, they are probably not even playing anymore regardless. I still have my legacy gallery, which I guess I could switch now, but unless you give motivation, those old shops really will just rot for a long time... and Subeta, you just do not handle rotting code well AT ALL.
As for the legacy shops, I am torn. I understand we need them in our economy still (which was the main reason many of us did not want them taken out), but Subeta is HORRIBLE about keeping old code around. The stocking fiasco this past year? Caused by keeping old code around. Half of the errors we get whenever something new is rolled out is because of the patchwork old and new coding. At some point, the old coding of those legacy shops will likely become a problem (just based on all the other experiences we've had on Subeta across the years). Rather than "indefinitely," why not just set a long time frame? Like, say, the shops will be around for six months. Or even a year. After that, the items get tossed into vaults, or auto-converted into a new shop. Since you cannot add new items, a lot of those large shops should be MUCH lower within 6m-1y anyway. And if someone hasn't switched it within a year, they are probably not even playing anymore regardless. I still have my legacy gallery, which I guess I could switch now, but unless you give motivation, those old shops really will just rot for a long time... and Subeta, you just do not handle rotting code well AT ALL.
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probabilistic
Thanks very much for all your hard work on this -- I haven't gotten a 5xx error in...a long time.
One feedback point -- I agree with others about requesting the option to order by ItemID. This goes for collections (plushie, beanbag, sticker) as well. So many items on this site are released in sets, and it's just so useful to be able to see them displayed that way.
One feedback point -- I agree with others about requesting the option to order by ItemID. This goes for collections (plushie, beanbag, sticker) as well. So many items on this site are released in sets, and it's just so useful to be able to see them displayed that way.
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delsomebody
What are people even collecting that you'd need over 7k unique item slots? I'm confused and afraid.
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rhino_loupe
Thanks for the decision on legacy shops. They will help to keep the economy stable for a long time to come.
I'm surprised if you aren't planning to automatically convert them, though, since the limits are so high now. Old users who return will probably be confused by the fact they can't access their shop.
I'm surprised if you aren't planning to automatically convert them, though, since the limits are so high now. Old users who return will probably be confused by the fact they can't access their shop.
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Manasse
That is really nice :3
However I have still a question (I asked in on the forum too): how could I bring the design from the old shop to the new? Could you please let redable the old shop's description?
However I have still a question (I asked in on the forum too): how could I bring the design from the old shop to the new? Could you please let redable the old shop's description?
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Julie
How come when I use Safari, the select all does not work in the legacy shop? It's fine when I use Chrome.
Just wondering?
Just wondering?
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just2b
Ok, so I am loving the new shops (I wasn't expecting to), but re old shops, do you think it could be possible if Quick Stock could work in reverse, unstocking the old shops is beyond tedious.
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StarBaby
I took a long break from Subeta until recently, and I must say I'm very happy with all of the changes that have been made. I love the new shops and I love that there is a link to shop search under every item requested in quests. It makes everything so much faster and easier. I had a system for restocking before, but I like only needing one tab. I also love the new wardrobe. I know you guys were struggling with it for a while. I've experienced a few glitches where my items didn't show up for a while, but it was only a minor inconvenience. I was fairly sure they would show up and they did.
Anyway, thanks for working hard to make this a great site. It really is.
Anyway, thanks for working hard to make this a great site. It really is.
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Strength
Well, I am happy to say that I was wrong. I was really pessimistic about this change and was fairly vocal about it, but you guys really stepped up to the plate, listened to feedback, and went out of your way to make this as painless as possible. I'm enjoying the new shops and have noticed a huge difference in site performance. Seeing the numbers back that up is very encouraging. So, thanks, Subeta Team.
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fresh
I am pleasantly surprised about how smooth and effective the transition was. I'm glad to see this finally happen.. I remember Keith talking about it years ago during a live chat.
I wish the shop limits were a bit higher, but that's only because I have so many friggen hoard items to get rid of. At this rate my hoard might be empty by this time next year haha. Tbh, the galleries are higher than I was expecting, I think 7.5k/10k should be more than enough for the average user.
Keith talking about it years ago during a live chat.I wish the shop limits were a bit higher, but that's only because I have so many friggen hoard items to get rid of. At this rate my hoard might be empty by this time next year haha. Tbh, the galleries are higher than I was expecting, I think 7.5k/10k should be more than enough for the average user.
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Sunfire103
Total 22500 for 3 galleries... I started with 18k+ so this looks promising for items I do have, but doesn't give much room to grow in future :/
I'm glad issues are working/clearing themselves out.
I'm glad issues are working/clearing themselves out.
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Literature
Any idea if we'll ever be able to sort by item ID instead of alphabetical? I like being able to go to the last page of my gallery and seeing all the newer items in there.
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LilyValentine
Gld to hear the changes are helping as planned. I do hope we get an increase in number of galleries permitted per user, though. Half of mine are still Legacy shops just because I'm out of room for new galleries.
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dmystry
Since I started putting my minions in the minion zoo instead of the gallery I do not mind the limits.
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Marx
very happy that the limit increase allows me to put my food gallery, which i had to break into two, back together. working on moving everything back into one now.
i really hope you will bring back to option to order the gallery by item ID rather than by name. my galleries are way out of order now lol!
i really hope you will bring back to option to order the gallery by item ID rather than by name. my galleries are way out of order now lol!
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Nemui
@Gunnarr
I understand that logic and all of your points made, but if the subeta team keeps giving people the ability to just leave it there then the old shops will never be done away with, simply due to people using them as another type of vault/gallery system.
I get that there are a lot of items on subeta, and people had thousands upon thousands of items in their shops, but the whole point of rolling out
something new is to get rid of the old. So far people have had a month to move things, and thats clearly not enough time considering all the errors and so fourth, but why give everyone an indefinitely time frame? Looking at it from a professional point, thats a bad move if one is trying to make a better change for the site. I believe a real time frame should be put into place to empty out old shops, and whatever doesn't get moved by the player at the end of the time frame, the site dumps into their vault for them so nothing is lost, then old shops are removed. The items wont disappear they will still be there. It just make logical sense to me, for the subeta team to be assertive with getting rid of the old shop system all together, the old scripts for it are still going to be running which are going to be using servers and resources from the site. I just don't like the idea of it being indefinitely, because we could end up sitting on two shops styles for a year or more.
I understand that logic and all of your points made, but if the subeta team keeps giving people the ability to just leave it there then the old shops will never be done away with, simply due to people using them as another type of vault/gallery system.
I get that there are a lot of items on subeta, and people had thousands upon thousands of items in their shops, but the whole point of rolling out
something new is to get rid of the old. So far people have had a month to move things, and thats clearly not enough time considering all the errors and so fourth, but why give everyone an indefinitely time frame? Looking at it from a professional point, thats a bad move if one is trying to make a better change for the site. I believe a real time frame should be put into place to empty out old shops, and whatever doesn't get moved by the player at the end of the time frame, the site dumps into their vault for them so nothing is lost, then old shops are removed. The items wont disappear they will still be there. It just make logical sense to me, for the subeta team to be assertive with getting rid of the old shop system all together, the old scripts for it are still going to be running which are going to be using servers and resources from the site. I just don't like the idea of it being indefinitely, because we could end up sitting on two shops styles for a year or more.
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Gunnarr
@Nemui
The reason the legacy shops will remain up is likely because there are thousands and thousands of items in them that will become completely unavailable if those shops are removed from the SS. Collection items, retired items, achievement items, Cash Shop items, etc. But even beyond the expensive stuff there's a huge number of lower rarity items that are still being purchased and burned up in quests and fragging that can't be removed from the economy without potentially throwing a huge wrench in things.
The reason the legacy shops will remain up is likely because there are thousands and thousands of items in them that will become completely unavailable if those shops are removed from the SS. Collection items, retired items, achievement items, Cash Shop items, etc. But even beyond the expensive stuff there's a huge number of lower rarity items that are still being purchased and burned up in quests and fragging that can't be removed from the economy without potentially throwing a huge wrench in things.
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CassieFenix
This is AWESOME!
My holiday gallery had around 6k uniques in it, so this is going to help me FINALLY give my gallery back its full glory once again! :D
My holiday gallery had around 6k uniques in it, so this is going to help me FINALLY give my gallery back its full glory once again! :D
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Peppermint
I think the galleries are still an issue for people collecting everything of something, but I'm more than fine with the new shop system. It's a relief that the changes took strain off the site. I figure this kind of revamp was always bound to happen, so despite everything, I'll just go along with it. Also despite some bumps in the road, it went a lot better than I thought it'd go to be honest.
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Iridescent
thank YOU all for being so great. You did exactly what you said you were going to do and it's awesome not having to deal with those errors all the time. <3
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Ickle
I was mostly worried about what this would do to the site's economy and questing.
Happy to see things are fine and the site is working better than ever. :)
Happy to see things are fine and the site is working better than ever. :)
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bluemoonlightgirl
I'd still like to see the option to order items by Item ID along with alphabetically, like how the old shops had both options (personally I hate seeing them ordered alphabetically, but that's just me). Other than that, the new shops have been great so far. Good job.
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Pac
Mh, well I do wish you'd raised shop limits a tad more, but with errors so much better and such, it's overall a great update, as you say ^^
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rhymershouse
@Grelca, thank you for the update. Also, heh you poor people have been stuck with me for seven years. You can't get rid of me that easily ;)
But in all seriousness, thank you. I find the new shops way easier to use, too.
But in all seriousness, thank you. I find the new shops way easier to use, too.
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kitestrings
what i wish is that non ga inventories could see more than a measly 100 items. i frag shit constantly and the item visibility limit is a mighty annoyance. like was stated below, we can vend 250 items but only see 100 of them at a time. not that i ever expect it to change, i just want to complain about it. it sucks, subeta.
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draithypie
First of all, FUNNY news title. ^^ Change is always an anxious thing... and I worried this shop switch would take forever, and would drag on and be a big issue, but it really seems to have been rather smooth, and you guys have raised the limits relatively fast, from expectations. Nice work!
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Tefibi
Thanks for all your hard work, guys! :) I was originally hesitant about the shop transition and thought it was going to be a difficult process, but you guys did such a great job providing us with added tools to make the transition easier and quickly increasing limits after seeing data come in. The site has been working great recently. :)
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Tinkerbell
Thank you guys for all your hard work on this :) Although I am sad I can't jampack my shop, I understand the reasoning behind it. Bravo for a job well done. :D Now onto cults! ^_~
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Julie
Yay for gallery items increase (more than I wished for, but I'm still going to be selective on what I put in my gallery). Was hoping for an increase in shop items, to be honest, but, here's hoping for a change of mind.
BUT, what I really want is for my gallery to be shown by Item ID Number (can we have that back?). We had a choice with the old system, either alpha or ID number. Beta tester... ME ME ME.
*claps* YOU ALL DID A WONDERFUL JOB!!!!
BUT, what I really want is for my gallery to be shown by Item ID Number (can we have that back?). We had a choice with the old system, either alpha or ID number. Beta tester... ME ME ME.
*claps* YOU ALL DID A WONDERFUL JOB!!!!
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Asumi
I like the new shops, their easier to use.
Question about the legacy shops. Is the information for my Making a living achievement still available? I was 804,000,088 / 1,000,000,000
Question about the legacy shops. Is the information for my Making a living achievement still available? I was 804,000,088 / 1,000,000,000
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Regan
first off-- the title of this is fabulous. secondly, thank you guys for keeping us updated! This is great news! I love seeing things like this happen because it reminds me that this website is here to stay and not going anywhere for a long time, and that makes me happy :)
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arixen
@grelca - as a former software developer myself (I worked on the first release of cellular phone in the US) just wanted to let you and the other developers know that I am extremely impressed with how quickly and how well the new shop/gallery project has gone. You all did a truly amazing job under very difficult circumstances. The decrease in 502/504 errors and in lag is wonderful. And then discovering the problem with pusher.js and replacing it with new code as well! (Computers always find some way to surprise you, don't they?) You guys are the best. Subeta staff, their responsiveness and the way they truly care about the users and the site are why you have built a community of loyal users. You guys are why we do what we do - love and enjoy our time on Subeta, no matter what. Thank you.
And that Troll! Releasing him in the middle of all the commotion was genius. A great lesson in community building and working together to achieve big goals.
And that Troll! Releasing him in the middle of all the commotion was genius. A great lesson in community building and working together to achieve big goals.
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frederick
That's funny you guys find it a surprise- I've had issues with pusher.js since it was implemented and judging from the forums I wasn't the only one.
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Naughty
Duly note I am NOT staff but just someone who has played on this site for ovah eight years! Officially the bug catching had NO correlation!
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Lily
The galleries are much more simplified. I would die of happiness (and disassemble my old gallery) if we could have 45K in them and our achievements back.
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Pseudonym
@Squid Believe it or not, there used to be no limit to vending, so as long as you had the tokens, you could vend as much as you wanted. And while it has been useful for my shops to resell items, I also make sure that the items I need, like food, wardrobe, one-use battle items, plushies and beanbags are also in easy reach, especially when trying to save sP. You only vend 500 items per day max, so that's 1000 tokens. It's a lot more useful than you might think, and honestly, it really isn't that much, as I do often get multiples of one object. It helps keep my shop inventory varied because, while I do restock from NPC shops, I only restock from about a half dozen or so, and there are a lot more items out there than those few rare ones in the shops. It was a shock to many of us that the vending limit was so low, but in the end I'm thankful. The currency doesn't take up space, and it helps me to save more tokens for TS and BH restocks.
Anyways... I am disappointed that the shop limit still is very low, especially for those without a GA. I'd like to see that go up to 3000/3500, because I don't want to have more than one shop. I understand people don't like to wait a little bit longer for autopricing, even though it's still faster than in the old shops, and I'm not complaining, or whining at least; I just like to have everything in one place, and since I don't vend often, I still have to wait a week before vending so I can sell the extras.
Anyways... I am disappointed that the shop limit still is very low, especially for those without a GA. I'd like to see that go up to 3000/3500, because I don't want to have more than one shop. I understand people don't like to wait a little bit longer for autopricing, even though it's still faster than in the old shops, and I'm not complaining, or whining at least; I just like to have everything in one place, and since I don't vend often, I still have to wait a week before vending so I can sell the extras.
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Muerte
"Thank you all so much for sticking with us through these tough times."
As if I'm not addicted and had a choice ?
As if I'm not addicted and had a choice ?
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Psychedelia
The only thing left I'd like to see is moving stuff within shops/galleries to other shops or galleries and vice versa, rather than shop/gallery to inventory to another shop/gallery.
ASIDE FROM THAT MY BEER HOARD IS IN ONE PLACE AND THAT PLEASES ME MIGHTILY STILL.
It is all I have ever striven for. It is all I love. Free Beer Army for Life.
ASIDE FROM THAT MY BEER HOARD IS IN ONE PLACE AND THAT PLEASES ME MIGHTILY STILL.
It is all I have ever striven for. It is all I love. Free Beer Army for Life.
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Nemui
@Squid
Now that is an idea I can get behind, Its so frustrating that we can vend 250 items, but can only see 100, makes no sense really. Im not an avid fragger right now either, but I feel like fragging is a good alternative if you can't sell everything or don't care to sell. [This is also with the hopes they make sure to keep putting stuff in the crystal shop] Right now though I can totally understand your frustration with you being a seller over a fragger, and how the limit effects you. Hopefully they will tweak it more in the future!
Now that is an idea I can get behind, Its so frustrating that we can vend 250 items, but can only see 100, makes no sense really. Im not an avid fragger right now either, but I feel like fragging is a good alternative if you can't sell everything or don't care to sell. [This is also with the hopes they make sure to keep putting stuff in the crystal shop] Right now though I can totally understand your frustration with you being a seller over a fragger, and how the limit effects you. Hopefully they will tweak it more in the future!
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Alaizabel
nice! hopefully the limit for galleries will increase a bit, as i'm about to have about 400 items left when i'll be finished moving everything on my main gallery xD
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grace
@_blackwolf_2009_ the link doesn't show anymore, but the page itself still works if you go directly to it. :)
https://subeta.net/myshop.php?act=editshop&shopid=SHOP ID GOES HERE
https://subeta.net/myshop.php?act=editshop&shopid=SHOP ID GOES HERE
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Memoria
And @kyuriin you can move the items from old shop directly to the new shop, which should be in that guide.
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Me-Guru
I would also like to mention. Since the changeover. Although I have had my share of 502/504's on a daily basis, especially while trying to access my gallery. I am experiencing a lot less problems and is able to open my legacy gallery with very minimal to no 502/504 errors. Thank you for making an effort to try and alleviate this issue ~ ^.^ ~
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Squid
@Nemui
Yeah, fragging did cross my mind even as I was typing out my comment. I guess I've just never been that in to fragging, unless there's something I -need- Not a casual fragger. Of course I'm not -suggesting- that vending be done away with, I'd like to do more of it (Maybe if inventories reflected the amount of items we could vend per day, that would be nice) only wondering if fragging is the only answer then for vending extras.
Yeah, fragging did cross my mind even as I was typing out my comment. I guess I've just never been that in to fragging, unless there's something I -need- Not a casual fragger. Of course I'm not -suggesting- that vending be done away with, I'd like to do more of it (Maybe if inventories reflected the amount of items we could vend per day, that would be nice) only wondering if fragging is the only answer then for vending extras.
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Moonsyne
It was a ROYAL pain switching over a large gallery ... but if it help you guys ... I guess it is worth it.
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Nemui
@Squid
I really hope vending doesn't go away because of shop limits, I use vending for fragging. I am not a big seller, but I have noticed the crystal shop is getting more and more attention so a huge majority of the stuff i yanked from my shop went into fragging. Vending still has a use even if it isn't for reselling, I know thats what you use yours for, and thats cool, but I would be livid if they got rid of vending, since that is how I make my crystals, and im sure im not the only one.
I really hope vending doesn't go away because of shop limits, I use vending for fragging. I am not a big seller, but I have noticed the crystal shop is getting more and more attention so a huge majority of the stuff i yanked from my shop went into fragging. Vending still has a use even if it isn't for reselling, I know thats what you use yours for, and thats cool, but I would be livid if they got rid of vending, since that is how I make my crystals, and im sure im not the only one.
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Lindsey
The current shop limit is where it will stay? My only real issue with it is that I only get a GA 1-2 times a year and the rest of the year I shove items from questing into the shops and autoprice everything when I get a GA. If this is the case, I feel backed into a wall about having to have a GA to get rid of items otherwise. Someone please correct me if I'm wrong!
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Kevin
@kyuriin
but just as a summary, the old shops were causing some server problems so they were rewritten into a new system. the old shops are now called legacy shops and you can't add or edit them, but you can remove things from them.
but just as a summary, the old shops were causing some server problems so they were rewritten into a new system. the old shops are now called legacy shops and you can't add or edit them, but you can remove things from them.
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_blackwolf_2009_
As kbbob said, indefinitely don't mean permanently. I think eventually after people finally stop getting money from their shops they will start the move process over to one system. So give it time!
@grelca
Any chance we will be able to get our sales and sP totals from the old shops? I was going to keep my old shop around for it but then wanted to add it in my new one and I can't get it at all now. Would like to be able to gather that info.
@grelca
Any chance we will be able to get our sales and sP totals from the old shops? I was going to keep my old shop around for it but then wanted to add it in my new one and I can't get it at all now. Would like to be able to gather that info.
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Squid
I feel like with shop limits where they are vending is no longer an option. I still have quite a bit from my hoard to try to move over to a new shop and I've been doing it about a page at a time whenever I sell a hundred items and there is still ... Well way more pages to go. I have opened up a second shop so I can dump the items I get from questing in there and still the item count goes up more than it goes down. I mean a week or so of vending would fill up another shop easily. So is vending just done with?
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moe
i've been on a small hiatus and i have no idea what's going on. why can't i edit the prices of my shop? i had to create a new one and now i'm removing aaaall the items from the old shop to the inventory and then to the new shop...
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Edinburgh
It's great to hear that this change has had the positive impact that you hoped it would! Thanks so much for your hard work and transparency through this process! That's really what I continue to love (and be amazed by, tbh) about this site - the staff is honest, forthcoming, and seems to genuinely care about the site and its users. Thanks again!!
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Dice
Thank you for all your help! Most of the bugs I came across were comparatively minor, and they were all dealt with. This is one of the biggest revamps I've seen Subeta do, and it's probably one of the smoothest.
I will concede to being a little disappointed with the final shop limits, though. I had my fingers crossed for another raise. With restocking and moving things from the old shops, I'm pretty tight against the limits as they are, and I still have about 2000 items left in an old shop. I suppose I'll just have to be more proactive with repricing, rather than letting things sit there, which I'd anticipated I'd have to do anyway.
I will concede to being a little disappointed with the final shop limits, though. I had my fingers crossed for another raise. With restocking and moving things from the old shops, I'm pretty tight against the limits as they are, and I still have about 2000 items left in an old shop. I suppose I'll just have to be more proactive with repricing, rather than letting things sit there, which I'd anticipated I'd have to do anyway.
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Xezvi
I'm happy to hear that the legacy shops will still be able to sell, if only for those few CWs and older items sitting around with their price tags in the millions. Good to know I have the time to save up. :)
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Nemui
I like the update, I like that galleries got an increase over shops. I hated dealing with a huge shop to price! [my personal opinion i know everyone is different]
The only thing I don't agree with is the fact that legacy shops are now staying indefinitely. I know you can't add to them or reprice them which is a good thing. But honestly though, whats the
point of rolling out something new, just to keep the old hanging on, just because it isn't causing issues like you thought it would. I personally think its just going to make the whole switch over take longer, I would rather we just get put on one new unified shop set up. The old shops are done with, why keep them hanging on?
Other than that, yes the site has been running so much better the last few days and i love it!
The only thing I don't agree with is the fact that legacy shops are now staying indefinitely. I know you can't add to them or reprice them which is a good thing. But honestly though, whats the
point of rolling out something new, just to keep the old hanging on, just because it isn't causing issues like you thought it would. I personally think its just going to make the whole switch over take longer, I would rather we just get put on one new unified shop set up. The old shops are done with, why keep them hanging on?
Other than that, yes the site has been running so much better the last few days and i love it!
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Sayonara_Baby
The site seems to be working much better these days. Thanks for working on the errors - good job.
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Merrydoe
Volume of 5xx errors indeed significantly reduced but let's keep our fingers crossed that it remains that way until it's completely eradicated. Keep up the work that you guys are doing! Love the new shops - they're great. :) Thanks so much!
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humorless
@shaunathedead Staff said there are no plans for categories in shops (it was mentioned somewhere on the staff posts page).
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RunningWild
Glad that this change was successful, especially now that item limits are very appealing!
Thank you for working hard in making the site a better place! :D
Thank you for working hard in making the site a better place! :D
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Ewok
Yay for the good news but I'm honestly not amused with the shops staying that low.
Looks like actively playing again won't be for anywhere soon.
Looks like actively playing again won't be for anywhere soon.
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Kevin
people will eventually migrate their items over to the new shops because 1. they can't add new things to legacy shops and 2. they can't change the price of things in legacy shops. so keeping things in there isn't going to help them sell their stuff. and so what if they don't move them over to the new shops, "buying from the legacy shops still being available via shop search has had a much smaller impact than we initially anticipated" so it isn't going to hurt things too badly. I'm sure if it does become a problem, they may change their mind about this, but at this moment, it isn't a big enough problem to worry about
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Mike
" announce to you all that the legacy shops will remain in shop search results indefinitely!"
these are the types of things that should never be said. Now if some unforeseen circumstance arises where they need to be taken off the shop search, users will rage and quote and inevitably rage quote. Indefinitely, never these are words that should... never... be used.
these are the types of things that should never be said. Now if some unforeseen circumstance arises where they need to be taken off the shop search, users will rage and quote and inevitably rage quote. Indefinitely, never these are words that should... never... be used.
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dachshundsr4me
Well, I don't know if enough folks say it but thank you for making this site such a fun place to linger on...I will say that this is the best pet site around. Thanks so much for all that you guys do..hey hint...could you increase our pet limit to 100 pets (JK but hoping)? I think that would be an awesome idea. =)
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BoaConstrictor
The shop limits are disturbing.
But actually with my almost empty new shops it still takes forever to load edit or quickstock.
I hope you'll really soon address the many questions that have not been answered yet.
But actually with my almost empty new shops it still takes forever to load edit or quickstock.
I hope you'll really soon address the many questions that have not been answered yet.
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BoneCollector
but not good !! that you can still buy from the legacy shops - now they wont take the time to hover theire items to the new shops at all !!! i hope that every time something is bought from a legacy shop the site will crash again !
rules are rules - new shops is new shops
rules are rules - new shops is new shops
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Ramby
Thanks so much for all the hard work you all do to fix the sight and make it run better. I have had a few 504 errors but not as many as before. I also have a question how long do we have to empty all our galleries as I have so many it will take a lot of work and to also play the sight makes it take longer but have been trying? Also can you let me know why when we do the auto update as gold account users that it doesnt update all the items? And where it says I see you need more of the items updated I click and it never shows anything being done in our new shops. Thanks again
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Diana
Last few days, I've marveled over how well the site is running! Since the removal of pusher.js especially, and I had already drawn the conclusion that is was a major part of the problem!
Yayyyyyyyyyyyyy! I can NOW do my quests in a reasonable amount of time!!
PARTY!!!! :-P
Yayyyyyyyyyyyyy! I can NOW do my quests in a reasonable amount of time!!
PARTY!!!! :-P
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BoneCollector
well instead of 7500 for gallery (wich raises 2500) i would have loved to see 6000 for galleries (only raise 1000) and 3000 for shops or even 2500 (raise of 500 or 1000 items) !!!
but glad you guys are happy on how it runs
but glad you guys are happy on how it runs
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Monsoon
I'm so glad to hear this has helped so much. And with the current limits *and* the changes finally getting me off me bum and using pet treasures after all these years, I think even a collector like me can be happy with the changes. :)
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Laurey
Thank you for the continued updates!
And that's great about the legacy shops! At least now we shouldn't have to worry about a ton of items suddenly going off the market again, that didn't turn out very well.
And that's great about the legacy shops! At least now we shouldn't have to worry about a ton of items suddenly going off the market again, that didn't turn out very well.
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Kevin
Quote:
bolding this so people actually read it
Last but not least, gallery item limits have been raised once again, to allow 7,500 unique items per gallery for everyone, and 10,000 unique items for Gold Account users. These, along the current shop limits of 2,000 and 2,500, are likely to be the final item limits. That said, we will continue to monitor the new system and make adjustments as we see fit.
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Quirk
So is the 7,500 and 10,000 amount for galleries only? If it is the case, I am a little bummed, as I have never used shops for galleries, and I never will. It's just not my thing to show off items, when I can be selling them. But, thanks anyway for the information.
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ulalena
Fantastic news, thank you so much for all your work!
I have mostly more than 2000 items in a shop during an event yet I like the idea of having different amounts of sP at the ready in the till there,
so the limit is no problem at all.
I keep my fingers crossed that we see some changes in the wardrobe, too, soon.
Drawers would be nice and please give us our nose back in the Share function. :-)
I have mostly more than 2000 items in a shop during an event yet I like the idea of having different amounts of sP at the ready in the till there,
so the limit is no problem at all.
I keep my fingers crossed that we see some changes in the wardrobe, too, soon.
Drawers would be nice and please give us our nose back in the Share function. :-)
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Marlboro
I must be honest that the shops limit 2000/2500 is the best thing ever. it's so much easy to handle a shop now, to autoprice and above all to reach the "edit shop" and change prices.. something that was barely possible with the old shops.
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Delphi
Are we going to be getting categories in regular shops? Because I am lost without this, it's so messy and disorganized.
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_blackwolf_2009_
Yes, thank you so much! :D Maybe I can condense a couple galleries together now to reopen one of my old shops.... nah, I'll just use the vault once I clear it. XD
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springjoy
y'all are awesome. I'm glad the galleries got bigger, and I kinda wish the shops would go up a tad more. Or non GAs would be allowed a couple more maybe. But I can work with 2K so much better than the initial 250 items, and won't pitch a fit even though I'd be super happy to have a few more items in my shop. ;)
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Marina
@grelca I don't think your strike tag worked!
I'd like to see a higher shop limit, personally, even if it's only another thousand or so. But I'm glad that it worked out so well. I've been enjoying the new system, it's much faster and prettier!
I'd like to see a higher shop limit, personally, even if it's only another thousand or so. But I'm glad that it worked out so well. I've been enjoying the new system, it's much faster and prettier!
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