Cash Shop Poll

We are considering changing the system that operates the Cash Shop. This means implementing a 'point' based system.
Point Based System
The point based system would operate on $1 USD = 100 Cash Shop Points. This means that instead of purchasing the items directly, you'd purchase 'points', and then go to the cash shop and purchase items with your points.
This adds another step - but there are a few reasons I think that you will like it better ;)
Pros
- You can save up points. If you're only able to spend $5 a month on Subeta, but want something that has a price tag of $30, you can save up your monthly points until you have 3,000 points.
- More selection. We can add items for 100 points, or even as low as 50 points. We could add a set of clothing that would otherwise not be able to be added; for 100 points each, and you'd be able to get them.
Cons
- Another step. You have to buy the points and THEN buy the item that you'd like.
- We have to set a minimum point limit.
Click here to vote in the poll, or here to read the forum post relating to this ;) (more information!)

Posted by Keith

04/24/08 2:52 pm Leave Comment

CMYK @

I support this idea. 83

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whisperly @

I like this idea, wearables and other stuff for 50 points sounds great =)

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User not found: @

I like the concept <img src="http://images.subeta.org/smilies/6398_emoticon_smile.gif" border="0" /> Maybe there should be a trial period, to see if people actually like using it, or so people can see how it works perfectly themselves.

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hbootsman_364 @

I like the idea and voted for yes. 
It's a good thing that people how can't spend the money at once can save up untill they have the points.

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Jinx @

I actually enjoy the current system quite a bit myself. But I can see where this would be good.

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Rainbow @

this is a really good idea but I just hope that the items don't get more expensive through it. in real life this changes would bring a price change with it as well so I hope it's not going to happen =) 
then I'm going to vote yes <img src="http://images.subeta.org/smilies/6398_emoticon_smile.gif" border="0" />

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Opalite @

I am looking forward to seeing more items in the cash shop so i can contribute more to subeta! i don't care to have the gold account and some of the stuff in the cash shop i don't want so this will be great i vote yes <img src="http://images.subeta.org/smilies/6398_emoticon_grin.gif" border="0" />

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User not found: @

i would vote no. 
reason's 
#1 the site is very laggy,or down as it is.will this help ? i doubt it,just more stuff for the server's to be running. 
#2 if you jusy bought say 2000 points for cash shop use,and theres a glitch,or a roll back,(i lost over 1000 Recycle beast points,during a rollback,and nothng was done,was told theres nothing we can do sorry)so if that happens with cash shop points,would you be out the money?or have to prove you didn't buy stuff before the glitch or crash or rollback? 
in pros it talks about saving up points? 
what if your account gets hacked? or you get frozen? bye bye points.i feel if people want to save,they could do that anyways,or if there younger,get an advance or have your parents hold the money for you . 
also if the site needs more profit/money for whatever reason,just put more or different items in the c/s,i my self would love to be able to get old dp's,like from before i was a member. just a thought. 
if it does change i probably wouldn't trust the new system to hold my points,at all .

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User not found: @

Guysssss. 
 
Oh my word. 
What's there to debate? It's exactly how it is now, but instead of buying the items directly with cash, you use the cash to buy points to buy the item.

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VINYL @

Hey, 
that's pretty good. 
The cons I can tolerate.

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User not found: @

Diverna ... there's no need to be gruff about it ... besides, I don't have a clue what habbo is.

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Hamlet @

I voted yes, as it would be a great help in me being able to save for mystical plushies!

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Toni_675 @

... Ha. THIS looks familiar. 
 
Anyways, the system is VERY convenient on Ataria. It reduces the need of having to go back and forth constantly to get donation items. 
 
I like the idea. (:

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Navem @

I do NOT like this idea at all. The Cash Shop is perfect the way it is. Even the comparison you gave us, about a $30 dollar item being worth 3,000 points. $1 dollar buys you a 100 points right? So you have to spend $30 dollars to get that 3,000 points to buy the $30 dollar item. What is the difference? I left Neo for things like this. The Cash Shop is one of my favorite parts of Subeta, it is a great idea the way it is. Please do not change it!

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DNA_558 @

Allowing the purchase of pure sP with cash is just asking for even -worse- economical trouble, IMHO. If people can just buy sP, they'll do so to afford more expensive items instead of earning it, then that sP will circulate, people will charge higher prices because sP will be worth less, etcetcetc. 
 
I don't think we'd ever do that. Or I'd punch Keith. :X (But I'm sure he agrees with me. 8D )

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Nox @

Here's a question ... why can't we purchase sP with this donated money ... instead of giving use donation credits ... or as an additional option? If I ever do donate again, it would be for the purpose of making sP any how. 
 
That's a really bad idea. It will no longer be Subeta if that's going to happened. Then it will be some site like habbo (if you know that)

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User not found: @

Here's a question ... why can't we purchase sP with this donated money ... instead of giving use donation credits ... or as an additional option? If I ever do donate again, it would be for the purpose of making sP any how.

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Nox @

I don't like or dislike this idea, but... Just don't make to many cash shop items, don't make it as the NC mall.

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MysticGothic @

I really like this idea, hope it happens in some form if not the stated one.

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User not found: @

YES!

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Proclaimer_Rye @

*cough*phanpoints*cough* 
Where'd that coughing come from, I need a drink of water...

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User not found: @

Meh, I've always been so happy you can just buy what you want in the cash shop and then get out. Been happy that it's not a point system like the recycle beast or so. <img src="http://images.subeta.org/smilies/smiley_sadface.gif" border="0" /> Ugh. 
 
I just hope the prices will stay the same, I think they're good as they are and some things are ridicolously expensive. :/ So, please don't raise the price of the DPs and the costume trunk?

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Lor @

I like this idea. I'm a spender, and if I have spare money, it's gone. If there's nothing of interest in the cash shop when I do have the money, then it doesn't go to Subeta, but a different site/store. However, if I was allowed to accumulate points, I could spend, get it out of my system, and wait for the perfect time to use the points. =)

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Camilla @

Clarification: What I meant with the board thing is that you can tell people how much points you're willing to part with and then they can tell you what items they want.

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Camilla @

I love this idea, and voted accordingly. This makes it easier for users to get the more expensive items (like Mystical plushies) which is great. 
 
I don't like the suggestions about buying/giving points to other users. Better to just buy an item and give them that. If you have extra points just make an advertising board telling people how much points you're willing to sell, at what rate etc. 
 
Well, that's my 2 cents anyway ^^

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User not found: @

Perhaps you should fix the long list of old problems before adding new systems like this.

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User not found: @

Also agreed on the minimum. I would use $2.50, since some people really will want to just buy one DP at a time, and will not have much extra cash to put in. $5 max, but $2.50 ideally.

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User not found: @

I love the idea. The only cash shop I have used a LOT that sounds similar is Maplestory's, but I have to say... I LOVE their cash shop process. It is much cleaner on the bank statement, too. Seeing all those Paypal transactions is so cluttery. I would really like to spend a certain amount of $$ on x number of points, then dole out the points throughout the month. It's very tedious, especially on dial-up, to buy multiple types of things right now. This would also ease that process. 
 
I am 100% behind it. Please! Change! <img src="http://images.subeta.org/smilies/6398_emoticon_grin.gif" border="0" />

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User not found: @

Cash Shop Format 
Question: We are considering changing the cash shop format. Please read both options below, and consider the pros and cons of both. Click here for a forum post on the matter. 
 
then you click on the link and you get You aren't allowed here! ?

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Heiroglyphica @

I think this sounds like a wonderful idea. It works well, and helps break down some of those intimidating amounts. I'd recommend keeping the minimum requirement small. No more than $5 tops, but probably more like $2.50, like the basic monthly items cost.

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tegu @

I LOVE this idea. It is what i was hoping for, I actually thought about this last night while I couldn't sleep, and when I came on subeta I flipped out. Hope y'all go through with it.

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Leviathan @

Great Idea for those of us who can't spend too much money at a time. 
I love this idea, as much as it does seem to work like the NC mall, its a lot different. 
For one, you can sell the items for SP. 
Secondly, Its great for people like me who have little money in their paypal at a time and end up using the money saved for something else. 
Points would be a great way to do this, although being able to give points to other users would be a great idea too. <img src="http://images.subeta.org/smilies/6398_emoticon_wink.gif" border="0" />

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SANSA_998 @

I like the idea, but I am sure there is a more efficient way of handling the cash shop. 
I did like the 'adding items to basket' idea that was mentioned earlier; it would make things a lot easier. You could incorporate that into the points system.

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Blake @

I vote no until the site is stable. Paypal logs or not, if I still donated I wouldn't currently trust this system.

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Lyanna_421 @

I like this idea, but I see it as making more expensive items just so people will buy the points.....

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Dingo @

Hmm. I Do like the idea of cash points. 
Though i would also like the old one with it <img src="http://images.subeta.org/smilies/6398_emoticon_raspberry.gif" border="0" /> 
Sort of combined. 
Cash points and direct pay <img src="http://images.subeta.org/smilies/6398_emoticon_raspberry.gif" border="0" /> 
Just my thought

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Doe @

It sounds good, I guess. Other sites use it, so I say give it a try. If it turns out that there are too many problems with it, then the Cash Shop should go back to the way it was.

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Ginger @

I can make assumptions on what I think it will be like but I would rather hear a few more specifics from the one who will be implementing the changes before I vote.

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Tropicandy @

Quote:<blockquote style="padding:5px; line-height:15px; background-color: #FAFFFF; border: 1px solid #000000; font-family: georgia; font-size: 10;">2) How will saved points be accessed ? Will the cash shop have a list or some other data saved to list what users have in point values ? 
3) Can points be sold/given to other users ? 
4) Will items ever 'expire' ? 
5) You spoke of a specific clothing set from the lower end points value, can this, or any other items be given/sold with the new system ?</blockquote> 
 
These can all be answered on your own. It would be just like NC mall setup wise. You pay $5 and get 500 points. You wouldn't be able to sell/give the points but the items could be. The items wouldn't expire. They never have. Only thing that would change is you are buying points instead of buying the items. Keith already said that in the News post.

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Psychedelia @

Forum post not going through .. sooo ... 
 
This reeks of the NC Mall debacle. While that is one of my reasons for choosing to vote against it, that is not the only one. A few good points have already been brought up (No pun intended.) 
 
1) What about a rollback/glitch/hardware failure and there is a reset with people losing potentially saved points ? 
2) How will saved points be accessed ? Will the cash shop have a list or some other data saved to list what users have in point values ? 
3) Can points be sold/given to other users ? 
4) Will items ever 'expire' ? 
5) You spoke of a specific clothing set from the lower end points value, can this, or any other items be given/sold with the new system ? 
 
Some of the pros you speak of work onsite and really are not 'pros' per se. The main one I see is that users with a budget for online spending would be able to save up the IRL cash to buy the cash shop item in the point system. They can also use sP to get the item from other users as well, it can require saving in the same sense, so it's not 'really' a pro, especially with sP and a little dedication being moderately easy to obtain. 
 
If you do choose to go this new route, that is entirely your decision to take, Keith, it will not have any effect on my future spending decisions for Subeta. I mostly want to make you aware of some of the potential issues that may arise.

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Natsu_792 @

Its a popular and efficient system. Thats why a lot of places use it. I like this idea, because it's hard to shell out $30 at one time. This way you can let it build <img src="http://images.subeta.org/smilies/6398_emoticon_smile.gif" border="0" />

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Tropicandy @

I think you missed the point. It's not about being able to budget mentally. It's about Sub Allowing the ability. I personally cannot afford to run out and spend $30+ on a pixel in one shot. I don't get paid enough for that. The point system will allow users to fund the site more Over time and still get something nice. With all the nice items flooding into the CS, it's pretty hard to generate funding for it all whether it be real life money or sP.

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User not found: @

I think it's a decent idea, except the concept that once you spend say, "2020" points, then you'll always have those "20" points left over, hanging around, not able to do anything with them. Aside from that, it seems that we wouldn't save any money in the long run, only expend more. 
 
Too iffy for me.

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Allira @

I applaud the idea that a site is constantly trying new things to make the site better for users. Some ideas work others don't but at least the effort is being made. 
This seems like a good idea. 
Honestly the main gripe Ive had with the Cash Shop is with DP's - that they are run like a lottery and you don't know what you're getting (and often get the same thing over and over again). This has been fixed with the costume trunks now - you can choose the trunk you want - and that's wonderful. If there was a way to do something similiar with DP's I'd be very happy. 
Maybe this way - more items can be sold individually - I'd love a HA section of the Cash Shop where you could buy simple wearables for just a few points each. 
Another idea might be to sell "gift cards" in the cash shop - you could buy it and then sell or give it someone who could then go shopping in the cash shop for whatever assortment of items they wanted (good for people without access to paypal).

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User not found: @

I like the idea of buying points rather than items. A lot of other sites use this system and it seems to work pretty well. Will there be some way to store points as well? Like a points vault? Just a random idea.

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User not found: @

I love this Idea

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Jasper @

But you're still going to buy points worth the same amount of real money. It's not hard keeping a budget on your cred card/bank account. It just takes will power, something no one here has apparently. :/ 
 
Hmm... Perhaps what we need here is a middle ground. Have the points option there but still allow people to buy the cash shop items directly. (And employ that basket/cart idea while you're at it.) XD

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Tropicandy @

Noir, It isn't meant to save you anything. It's for those that like the idea of setting themselves an allowance or have bills to pay. I like the idea of being able to buy maybe 500points a month or something to put towards a MMP/MDP. It's a lot better to basically make a Lay-away on an item you want if you can't afford $60/$100(or less/more) at once or just can't save the millions. 
 
Also, if they do make Point Packages, it could save you money. <img src="http://images.subeta.org/smilies/6398_emoticon_wink.gif" border="0" />

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User not found: @

This is exactly how Gaiaonline operates.. and I love the system.. <img src="http://images.subeta.org/smilies/6398_emoticon_smile.gif" border="0" />

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Jasper @

Don't forget "Gaia Cash."

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Selene_130 @

isn't a very advertisement-ridden yellow layouted site doing the same thing?

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Jasper @

Frankly, I hate this idea. It makes it more complicated and it won't save us a dime. :/ 
 
Quote:<blockquote style="padding:5px; line-height:15px; background-color: #FAFFFF; border: 1px solid #000000; font-family: georgia; font-size: 10;">Why can't the Cash Shop be tweaked to add a basket putting all items into a single purchase, which would accomplish the same thing?</blockquote>THANK YOU! Now why didn't anyone on the subeta team think of this.

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User not found: @

Quote:<blockquote style="padding:5px; line-height:15px; background-color: #FAFFFF; border: 1px solid #000000; font-family: georgia; font-size: 10;">Say, you want to buy 2 dp's, a shuriken, and a costume trunk. Right now you'll have to go through pay pal 3 times!</blockquote> 
 
Why can't the Cash Shop be tweaked to add a basket putting all items into a single purchase, which would accomplish the same thing?

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User not found: @

If you don't like it, don't use it. They've always been able to return things that were lost. Even lost sP during a glitch. And so what if you have to do certain actions over again to get the same result? It doesn't really matter after all!

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Nebet @

Question-Will you only be allowed to pay using PayPal? 
 
If so, that's a huge turnoff. 
I think being able to save up for some of the more expensive things would be nice, but if you have the money and want the item right away it wouldn't be good. 
I don't know. I voted to leave it alone.

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Tropicandy @

Harpie, I should have added another post. It doesn't have to be a rollback. A simple glitch could remove those points just like the Recycling points. I still do not see how Paypal can help inform staff of who has points left over and who doesn't. As long as there is some form of backup or a program keeping track then I'm all for it. I know the system works fine on other sites but the other sites are a bit more stable than Sub. No offense.

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Gorecore @

Everyone should get some points to start off an celebrate!!!! LOL er.. um.. just a suggestion ( *w*)/

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AshleyAnn @

Uh ok do not really care cause i will not waste my money on things... i rather save subeta money

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Tris @

Quote:<blockquote style="padding:5px; line-height:15px; background-color: #FAFFFF; border: 1px solid #000000; font-family: georgia; font-size: 10;">Keith~ Even though you have the paypal logs... Say I bought 2000 points and spend 500 points. I save the 1500 for a few months. Then a roll back happens. What would happen? Would you be aware that I hadn't spent 1500? Or would you assume I had and I'd be SOL? 
 
I don't see how paypal would be useful after the transaction.</blockquote> 
 
 
When was the last time you saw them roll back MONTHS? It's usually a few hours/1 day. Your points would still be the same. And if you made the purchase within that amount of rollback time, you would either have the PP logs to back you up, or it would be like you never purchased said item and your points would STILL be there.

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User not found: @

thats good that people bought,and lost or got robbed/glitched rollbacked,or whatever would be able to get the points back.really a shame the quest's aren't the same .i've lost 2 times on chase one at lvl 71 and the other on lvl 41 the site crashed right after i clicked the button for a new quest.<img src="http://images.subeta.org/smilies/6398_emoticon_sad.gif" border="0" /> just a thought <img src="http://images.subeta.org/smilies/6398_emoticon_smile.gif" border="0" />

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Tropicandy @

Keith~ Even though you have the paypal logs... Say I bought 2000 points and spend 500 points. I save the 1500 for a few months. Then a roll back happens. What would happen? Would you be aware that I hadn't spent 1500? Or would you assume I had and I'd be SOL? 
 
I don't see how paypal would be useful after the transaction.

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User not found: @

btw im not really gonna be looking at these posts so if you wanna reply you should like post me a commment or mail me

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User not found: @

CharliesNOTDead 
 
i noticed your post "I don't know... I have been on Neo, which has point thingys and if you ask me, that system stinks. I suppose it would be okay... I like it the way it is now though." i just gotta tell you if you are still playing neopets do not buy anything from their cashshop cause its like 25 bucks for a single item and besides viacom is the devil

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Purple @

I love buying from the Cash Shop when i have some extra money.. so i love this idea. Seems like it will give us more choices. I know some people cannot buy from the Cash Shop for various reasons so it would be cool if they had an option to buy the points with SP also?

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Keith @ STAFF

We have the same paypal logs now that we would with this. We are able to give out cash shop items based on paypal logs right now, and would be able to in the event of a rollback, hacking, etc, we can give it back <img src="http://images.subeta.org/smilies/6398_emoticon_wink.gif" border="0" />

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User not found: @

Quote 
 
I actually like this idea, mainly because of the possibilities and extras that would be added to the cash shop. I don't generally have a *lot* to spend on CS items per month, but I got carried away with the MCT's. XD 
 
It is similar to a certain other site's system, but the point is that the system *works* and works well, in general. I for one am looking forward to what will be added to the cash shop if this is implemented, as well as how it'll be worked out. 
 
 
i believe they could add items ,now if they wanted.i my self like the idea of more items in there,maybe better outfits?or a second chance at buying older dp's from like a year or 2 ago? of course for some what higher then the current dp's cost..

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SexyFart @

I really like this idea, mainly because I'd be able to save up points for the things I want. Anything that can motivate me to save for something is WIN.

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Tammy @

Quote:<blockquote style="padding:5px; line-height:15px; background-color: #FAFFFF; border: 1px solid #000000; font-family: georgia; font-size: 10;"> #2 if you jusy bought say 2000 points for cash shop use,and theres a glitch,or a roll back,(i lost over 1000 Recycle beast points,during a rollback,and nothng was done,was told theres nothing we can do sorry)so if that happens with cash shop points,would you be out the money?or have to prove you didn't buy stuff before the glitch or crash or rollback?</blockquote> 
 
 
THAT is an excellent point/question. I would actually like to know that as well.

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User not found: @

I actually like this idea, mainly because of the possibilities and extras that would be added to the cash shop. I don't generally have a *lot* to spend on CS items per month, but I got carried away with the MCT's. XD 
 
It is similar to a certain other site's system, but the point is that the system *works* and works well, in general. I for one am looking forward to what will be added to the cash shop if this is implemented, as well as how it'll be worked out.

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Tris @

Quote:<blockquote style="padding:5px; line-height:15px; background-color: #FAFFFF; border: 1px solid #000000; font-family: georgia; font-size: 10;">The forum topic isn't working for me and I still don't know if we can resell items bought with points. The reasoning behind Neo not allowing Neocash items to be sold is to stop people from being able to inflate the game economy with outside factors. I'm still wondering if we can sell cash shop items in our shops for sP with the change over to a point system.</blockquote> 
 
You sell cash shop items that you purchase with real $ now. O.o It's no different. Instead of buying the item directly, you buy the points to buy the item. After that, you can sell it, use it, delete it, give it away...whatever you want. This isn't the NC Mall guys...

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User not found: @

Posted by CainLust 
 
This is really simmilar to other games. :U 
 
very true,it was this kinda thing just going and buying from the shop ,that made subeta different

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Cain_163 @

This is really simmilar to other games. :U

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Julie @

I love the idea... because I'm bad at budgeting and always spent too much <img src="http://images.subeta.org/smilies/6398_emoticon_raspberry.gif" border="0" />

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User not found: @

i would vote no. 
reason's 
#1 the site is very laggy,or down as it is.will this help ? i doubt it,just more stuff for the server's to be running. 
#2 if you jusy bought say 2000 points for cash shop use,and theres a glitch,or a roll back,(i lost over 1000 Recycle beast points,during a rollback,and nothng was done,was told theres nothing we can do sorry)so if that happens with cash shop points,would you be out the money?or have to prove you didn't buy stuff before the glitch or crash or rollback? 
in pros it talks about saving up points? 
what if your account gets hacked? or you get frozen? bye bye points.i feel if people want to save,they could do that anyways,or if there younger,get an advance or have your parents hold the money for you . 
i do agree with the more item's /clothing in the cash shop,but in fact couldn't you do that now? <img src="http://images.subeta.org/smilies/6398_emoticon_smile.gif" border="0" /> 
minimum point limit = probably 5 = 10 real dollars a month correct? 
plus with the way the site is down /crashes/glitches,i would be worried about my points,so if i did buy ,i would get my items same time,like i d now if i buy.. 
if all this is about makng more profit for the site,ie better server's,bigger bandwith,a new pc ,whatever ,or just to pay bill's,i would go more for new items in the c/s for your ha,cooler outfits. 
but you must also know ,if the site is running strong,and up all the time,no problems,more people will join.well i voted no,but will likely lose,lol either way i voiced my opinion. and keith thanks for the coolest pet site up.

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Marine @

Cool, even though I doubt I'll be using the CS for a few years. XD I like the idea - especially about the possible low-point items to spend leftovers on!

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User not found: @

Quote By Windsong:<blockquote style="padding:5px; line-height:15px; background-color: #FAFFFF; border: 1px solid #000000; font-family: georgia; font-size: 10;">I dislike the fact that one will not be able to buy anything for $2.50 with the new system. The $5.00 minimum puts me off because it's almost like saying that one HAS to buy at minimum 2 Donation Presents, assuming they stay the same price. And if the Donation Presents went up to $5.00 each, that puts me off even more...</blockquote> 
 
However, you are misreading it! He said there'd be items of varying value, including items that are 50 points. Your 5,000 cash points ($5) would be able to be spread over several items. Also, it would be easier to purchase multiple items without having to donate for each and every single items that isn't a multiple of its kind. Say, you want to buy 2 dp's, a shuriken, and a costume trunk. Right now you'll have to go through pay pal 3 times! With the new system you will be able to go through pay pal once. I tell you now, as one who's used it in the past ... it gets tedious when you want several items from the cash shop. (Not that I use it any more, but if I ever did, I'd want to be able to use a simpler system). Points aren't a bad idea. In fact, they are becoming a staple of any site like this - Gaia, Maple Story, Neo are a few to be named. Its the natural course of things, and it is less complicated for the staff. 
 
Quote:<blockquote style="padding:5px; line-height:15px; background-color: #FAFFFF; border: 1px solid #000000; font-family: georgia; font-size: 10;">JIMMYkUser "WAH! My ___, ___, and ___ are not in my inventory! I want them noooooow!!1111one" 
 
Admin101 "Ok, I'll need the transaction numbers and your email and blah blah blah for each and every single one of them." 
 
(3 hours later, because the poor admin is swamped with sm like this and other related tasks) 
 
JIMMYkUser "YAY! Finally! Oh, I forgot about ____. Could you add it Nao?" 
 
Admin101 (FacePalm)</blockquote> 
 
See what I mean? It's a time saver for everybody

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LadyBee @

I like this idea. I have seen it used on one other site...used it, and liked it. It is not as complicated as everyone is making it out to be...really.

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Ginger @

The forum topic isn't working for me and I still don't know if we can resell items bought with points. The reasoning behind Neo not allowing Neocash items to be sold is to stop people from being able to inflate the game economy with outside factors. I'm still wondering if we can sell cash shop items in our shops for sP with the change over to a point system.

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Lyzette @

This reminds me SO MUCH of MapleStory. 
 
It doesnt affect me directly, I'm not from the USA. So I wont vote. :3 I'll be watching carefully.

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CharliesNOTDead @

I don't know... I have been on Neo, which has point thingys and if you ask me, that system stinks. I suppose it would be okay... I like it the way it is now though...

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Reykur @

uhm... ok, after Orchipea's explaination I see why the limit should be 5$

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Reykur @

I like the idea a lot 
especially the idea of saving up... here I go mystical plushies xD 
 
the only thing I think is strange is the minimum of 5$ ...not that I would care to much, but as the minimum now is the DP with 2.50$ I just think it would be nice to let it stay that way^^

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Orchipea @

Looks like Page 3 of the thread died, so someone might want to fix that? <img src="http://images.subeta.org/smilies/6398_emoticon_raspberry.gif" border="0" /> And I'll propose my idea here that I just posted on the thread, just not as eloquently: 
 
Someone else had mentioned point packages, and I definitely think that this could be a great idea to be added to the system. Subeta could offer "value packages" that would give us a few extra points, thereby motivating us to spend higher amounts of money at one time. For example, you could offer 1050 points for $10, or 2100 points for $20. 
 
The higher the amount we spend, the more money Subeta actually gets due to the paypal fees. It was explained very well on the thread: 
Quote By Wingsrising:<blockquote style="padding:5px; line-height:15px; background-color: #FAFFFF; border: 1px solid #000000; font-family: georgia; font-size: 10;">The problem with a $1 minimum is that, if you send $1 via Paypal, Subeta only gets $0.68. If you send $2.50 they get $2.13. Etc, etc. The more money you send at once, the smaller the percentage goes to Paypal fees. 
 
For them to get $1, you'd have to send $1.33. I suppose they could set up the point system so that you can buy very small amounts of points but have to overpay to do so: for $1.30 you get 100 points, for $2.65 you get 250 points, and so on until some minimum (say $5) at which it settles on the $1=100 points ratio.</blockquote> 
 
So basically, the idea is to give a little motivation for people to shell out a little more at one time <img src="http://images.subeta.org/smilies/6398_emoticon_smile.gif" border="0" />

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Keith @ STAFF

Quote:<blockquote style="padding:5px; line-height:15px; background-color: #FAFFFF; border: 1px solid #000000; font-family: georgia; font-size: 10;">I don't see how $1 USD = 100 Cash Shop Points seeing how current dp's are selling for 1.8-2 M each. Using this math that would make 1 DP equal to what $200,000 USD?</blockquote> 
 
I don't quite understand what you're getting at here? Cash Shop points will be completely seperate from your sP, and they will not be interchangable. 
 
You'll be able to purchase cash shop items with Cash Shop Points, not sP. Therefore I'm not sure how you're getting the $200,000 price tag on a DP..?

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Keith @ STAFF

Quote:<blockquote style="padding:5px; line-height:15px; background-color: #FAFFFF; border: 1px solid #000000; font-family: georgia; font-size: 10;"> 
"You can always just add items that cost $1 to the Cash Shop. Also, that way people wouldn't be left with unused points should they decide they don't want to use any more. Really, all the Cash Shop needs is a few touchups (such as being able to purchase multiple items at once or a mail-in order system), not a point system like this."</blockquote> 
 
And paypal gets half of that $1.

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Diana_Marie @

Your missing my point, it's not about if they are different. It's about the resellers out there. If people are smart they will spend their $$ to subeta instead of buying from resellers. 
Who would pay what equals $200,000 for something that cost someone else $2.50? 
 
 
Please remember is that if you are frozen all those tucked away dollars in subeta cash points will be gone, wasted money because there is a no refund policy on the site. 
 
Just things to think about.

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User not found: @

Hmmm...my post wouldn't go through in the Forums. 
 
I guess I don't get the whole points system...can't people just as easily save up $5.00 a month at home and then buy something? 
 
As another User noted, this won't help those that aren't allowed to use Paypal at all, which seem to be quite a few Users. 
 
I dislike the fact that one will not be able to buy anything for $2.50 with the new system. <img src="http://images.subeta.org/smilies/6398_emoticon_sad.gif" border="0" /> The $5.00 minimum puts me off because it's almost like saying that one HAS to buy at minimum 2 Donation Presents, assuming they stay the same price. And if the Donation Presents went up to $5.00 each, that puts me off even more... 
 
What about Users who save points for months, but then lose interest or have their accounts frozen? Would the points then be refundable? If not, it's win/win for Subeta and the customer loses it would seem. 
 
I'm torn. The only thing I would like about this system is having one Paypal transaction for several items. 
 
"You can always just add items that cost $1 to the Cash Shop. Also, that way people wouldn't be left with unused points should they decide they don't want to use any more. Really, all the Cash Shop needs is a few touchups (such as being able to purchase multiple items at once or a mail-in order system), not a point system like this." 
 
I agree with Squirt (from the Forum Post). Tweaking the Cash Shop would be enough IMO.

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Ginger @

If we buy cash shop items with points could we then still sell them in our shop for sp or is this a way to keep the cash shop strictly for funding the site and not for users to buy cash shop items and resell them? On Neo you can not sell or trade NeoCash things so will this follow that pattern?

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Midnight_916 @

though it wouldnt affect me as im not allowed to spend any money, its a good idea <img src="http://images.subeta.org/smilies/6398_emoticon_smile.gif" border="0" />

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Pel @

I like the idea. It makes sense. 
 
(thinking out loud: is it just me, or is subeta turning into gaia with pets?) 
It would be cool if you could buy these points on a card at walmart or something, like you can at neopets or gaia. But I guess subeta isn't really a big enough organization to do that (yet?).

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Ceilidh @

Obviously the highest limit would cover the most expensive item, yes? There would be added security (pin systems, or email notifications, or /something/!), yes? 
 
It sounds like something that could definitely be tested out. As someone who tends to spend extra money whenever possible (I know, I'm horrible) it would be nice to be able to tuck a couple of dollars away for high-priced items I would never be able to afford otherwise.

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Treggify @

diana1096 
 
Cash points and subeta points are separate.

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Orchipea @

The CS point vouchers are a great idea, I would love to send my friends a few CS points for their birthdays <img src="http://images.subeta.org/smilies/6398_emoticon_raspberry.gif" border="0" />

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Diana_Marie @

I don't see how $1 USD = 100 Cash Shop Points seeing how current dp's are selling for 1.8-2 M each. Using this math that would make 1 DP equal to what $200,000 USD? 
Can someone explain that math to me? :/ 
I also do not like the minimum. I want to buy what I want, when I want. 
Unless that math changes, I'm voting against it.

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Orchipea @

I can totally agree with the pros on this one, but I am worried about this minimum points thing... For example, if I have 250 points, and buy something for 240 points, could I lose those 10 points? I think I'm going to head over to the thread and see if that is explained better <img src="http://images.subeta.org/smilies/6398_emoticon_wink.gif" border="0" />

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Treggify @

Selling points for sp would be cool.... 
 
 
Then people could buy any item they wanted by saving up points with Sp.

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Cheri @

I love the idea. Its the fact that if you want an item for $30.00 and your budget won't allow it all at once, you can put $5.00 at a time and its not like you will miss it compared to $30.00 in 1 shot. Makes it easier for those with bills to budget.

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User not found: @

i don't really know which is better

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User not found: @

I think this is pretty stupid. Because when i need some extra sp, i use real money to buy it. but now, if theres a lot of points one person has, they can buy it. and a lot of people will probably have points. so most of the items in the cash shop migh tnow be worth as much as they are now :/ i hope they dont do this.

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User not found: @

Sounds like it might be worth a try if the items still cost the same amount. But it would also be nice if we could send points to friends, like the SP vouchers, so it would be like sending them a gift certificate to the cash shop. <img src="http://images.subeta.org/smilies/6398_emoticon_smile.gif" border="0" />

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Flame @

another con: ew maths! I mean, not much math, but still....

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Tropicandy @

As long as it will leave items costing the same I'm all for it. Meaning DPs would cost 250 points, Eternal= 3,000 points etc? If so then I don't see why not. I like the idea of being able to save the points. It's like Rescreatu does....

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waterfall @

I like the idea, but I think it should be like, 1 point to 1 dollar or something. xD Would be much simpler. And people might be like, oh, I'm not paying 5095823 points for ____!! but if it was a smaller number they might. 
 
And points should be items, tokens, like wizard tokens that are exchangeable on the site itself ;D

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Nestly @

Nestly: Oh jeeze... I don't know which one to pick. xD They're both fine in my opinion, but I think the point system is more familiar on other sites and it's simply just... 'funner' saving up your points to get a bigger prize, if you will. 
 
I think it's more game like, and most people would like it, so I vote point system. :3

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Tonks @

thats sound nice... and no I don't think we should be able to buy the amount we want... I mean it should be multiple of 5... like 5$, 10$, 15$, 20$... easier to deal with for you. Still won't make me give real money to Subeta tough... personal thing... 
 
As a reply to dark, well you just have to do your best to keep your account safe and a low amount of those points too... but again it's easy to get frozen here...

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Mod @

I like the idea. One more step doesn't bother me, and being able to save my points would be great seeing as some months I can afford $100+ to donate to my favourite site, but others I can't even afford to buy 1 DP. 
 
I have a few other thoughts, but I imagine others have already brought them up in the forums, so I shall flit over there and read up. Barring anything incredibly stupid (which I'm sure is highly unlikely) I'm sure I'll be voting new.

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Rayen @

The only thing I'm a little Leary about with this is if your account gets hacked and you have unused points. Before you might only loose items but now it might fold over into what you've been saving up for with your points that you paid for, and then it's gone completely and you've wasted more money at a second glance over a long period of time then a shorter one. Maybe add the 'Pin' system for safety for the cash shop points?

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Elijah @

I'm in for it. I use paypal but I don't own a credit card, so I'll have to wait 5 days or so for my echecks to clear, painfuly long when a new item comes out, like the two amazing new sets from the trunks. xD *ordered them today* 
With this system I could buy myself a pile of points to use when I saw stuff I wanted. <img src="http://images.subeta.org/smilies/6398_emoticon_grin.gif" border="0" /> *votes for new*

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omg_carrie @

I don't like it =( 
It's too complicated for me.. and I'd be confused and probably end up getting too many/not enough points ._. Sorry and all, but I deeply prefer it the way it is now.

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Keith @ STAFF

No - These points are for money, and bringing in revenue to the site.

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Joey @

Eh, it's been working for MS for years, so I don't see why it wouldn't work here. The only issue I've had with Nexon's system is I always tend to have a few spare points left over, but if you're going to have stuff down in the 10-50 point range then it shouldn't be a problem.

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Wingsrising @

I don't know if I like the minimum limit being as high as $5, although I realize that has a lot of benefits to Subeta from a transaction cost standpoint. I like the fact that we can buy just one thing for $2.50 now, if we want to. The $5 minimum is one of the things that puts me off buying stuff at the NC Mall. 
 
I do appreciate that there has to be SOME minimum, though. 
 
I assume (read: hope) that this will be set up so you can add ANY amount of points over the minimum, rather than being like the NC mall where you can only add increments of $5? 
 
In general, though, I like the idea. I think it would be nice to have an assortment of cheaper items available. For example, though I love the new costume trunks, there are a lot of costume trunks for which I only want ONE item. If it's not selling at a reasonable price in sP then I just do without since I don't want to spend $5 on a set where I only want one item (even though I know I can sell the unwanted items for sP). 
 
With a system like this you could (if you wanted) release sets like this with each item available individually (maybe with a discount if you buy a whole set at once) so if there's only one item in a set we really want, we could buy just that item. 
 
Though I'm afraid that if you do this, my wishlist may get a lot longer...

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Mab_aka_mab3110 @

This still assumes that everyone can use Paypal to buy these points ... It still really hasn't taken into account the people who can't buy the points with Paypal .... what about a conversion of sP into points so that non-Paypal users can still get hold of the points ??? 
Other than that , I don't have a problem with it because I have and use Paypal ...

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Scy64 @

Sorrry Keith, I just saw your post that answered my question. Ignore me!

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Scy64 @

I don't know if this has been addressed, but would these points be something that users could sell to other users for sP? So if you're only limited to $5, but want an item that costs $10 (and are eager to get that item), could you buy those additional points from someone else?

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Extract @

I like it. I could save for more pet slots.

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Kouji @

I really like this idea. =D 
Now I can save up for a high priced item, and not have to buy it all at once.

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Warlocked @

Yeah.. :C If this isn't some new currency it feels like adding a step. 
 
Money for points for items instead of money for items.

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MarchOnOff @

But can it also be a maximum point limit you buy per month? Because let's say i want an item worth 3000 and save up for it, but by the time i get to buy it, it already deflated to the point that's not worth buying/saving points for.

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User not found: @

So the Cash Shop would turn into the Point Shop where we would buy Points. Then we would go to the Cash Shop and use our Points to buy items there? 
 
It seems to make more work. I don't get it.

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spiderman143swife @

I'm inbetween i like some parts of one and some parts on the other >_< I'd just like the cash shop to work for me T_T

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User not found: @

Slaytanic, there's been a cash shop for a while. Now it's just getting a little more organized and more user friendly. 
 
I fail to see how that's at all like Neo.

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Keith @ STAFF

Your points would ONLY be usable by you. You wouldn't be able to trade or sell them.

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Christina @

Eah. *Shrugs* I've seen it before, I don't really see how this way will make a big difference, besides the $2.50 paypal thinger. When would this likely be put into effect? - For curiosities sake?

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Innerdarkness @

I like this because Paypal has made some changes, at least that I have noticed that force me to do eChecks now instead of instant transfers and I hate waiting for the items to show up. This way I could have credits on hand and spend them when I want something...

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Princess_Ashura @

this is an interesting idea...it would definitely be good for things like those mystical plushies but at the same time it seems a little pointless but then again, I'm using my own money and my own paypal account. I can definitely see it from the POV of others who have a set allowance their parents give and would allow them to save up for those big things so, all in all, the extra click to get the item after the points wouldn't be so bad I suppose.

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Warlocked @

Would these points actually be an exchangeable currency among users or would they be only accessible by the buyer and usable in the Cash Shop?

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end @

Mini-Ere: 
Some people have shared family Paypal accounts, and if you don't spend the money you've been given, someone else will. 
>_>

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Sasuke @

would that include the mystic plushies?

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User not found: @

First there is no point as you could save up your $5 a month on paypal untill you get $30 o.O and you could sell stuff for under 1 dollar anyway :S

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Sekhmet @

Will the extra money generated by this be going to fix the lag/server downtime? 'Cause I could behind it then.

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Keith @ STAFF

Hmm, Slaytanic? 
 
I believe plenty of places used this method before Neopets. Considering that they hired Nexon (who makes Maplestory) to do their NCMall (and Nexon had this method years before Neopets) - that just shows that they aren't the only ones doing it.

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User not found: @

As long as the minimum is reasonable, it's a great idea. I could add in bits of grade money at a time so my parents won't notice my extreme subeta addiction. 
 
Hooray!

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Magda @

but i like the idea. <img src="http://images.subeta.org/smilies/6398_emoticon_smile.gif" border="0" /> and since there will be more items in the shop as said in the news post. <img src="http://images.subeta.org/smilies/6398_emoticon_smile.gif" border="0" />

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CastlesInTheSky @

why not just call it the NCMall?

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Socialism @

What would make it better was if we could use mobile phones to pay. My parents don't let me use their Paypal so i can't buy anything <img src="http://images.subeta.org/smilies/smiley_sadface.gif" border="0" /> 
Other than that, it's a good idea.

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Keith @ STAFF

Magda, it's based on the same system that Neopets (and XBL, and Gaia, and lots of other sites XD) uses <img src="http://images.subeta.org/smilies/6398_emoticon_wink.gif" border="0" /> 
 
And, yes. The minimum would most likely be $5.

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tasogare @

I love this idea. As long as points never expire, I'd be happy with it. 
 
If there were some other way than Paypal to pay that would be nice too...I don't have an active credit card, but I get cash often, so...sending money orders would be nice, albeit a tad less convenient :/

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Moguri @

I wouldn't see why they couldn't allow the gifting option, since you already bought and payed for the points and it's up to you what you use it for. ^^ 
 
Maybe they would have to make it so you have to wait until the payment goes through to prevent fake charges though.

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User not found: @

What would the minimum purchase limit be? Like $5?

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end @

I'd love to save for an ISS. 
And that list of pro's is longer than the cons. 
XD

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Magda @

i don't care as long as the prices of the items don't inflate by too much. but it seems like the neopets NC points doesn't it?

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Keith @ STAFF

The added step is just picking out what item you want, so it's not really an added step. I just needed to have SOME cons, heh. ^^

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Arya_784 @

I'm not really keen on adding more steps, but honestly I don't think this is such a terrible idea. I like the system used now, but I'm not going to fuss either way <img src="http://images.subeta.org/smilies/6398_emoticon_smile.gif" border="0" />

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Gorilla @

The points system seems cool. Maybe we could have an option to purchase points as gifts for other users?

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Moguri @

It's a good idea, as long as points can never expire.

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User not found: @

Okay second comment, but still close <img src="http://images.subeta.org/smilies/6398_emoticon_raspberry.gif" border="0" />

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User not found: @

First comment. 
 
And if you ask me, the con's aren't too bad. 
Of course there hasta be a minimum point limit, and another step isn't that bad. 
 
I'm all for it :3

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orion @

I like this idea, myself. <img src="http://images.subeta.org/smilies/6398_emoticon_smile.gif" border="0" />

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