Duality Quests: More Context
First, users brought up the issues regarding how Mori and Nori were portrayed so this brainstorm thread so born. If you look at the date, you can see it was created well over a year ago and users brought it up before that. It's unacceptable that we took so long to address this. While yes, our team is small and incredibly stretched thin, it shouldn't have taken us the amount of time it did. We as a team have a problem with breaking tasks up into smaller things; we always want to do everything at once. In this case, we really thought it made the most sense and was the most respectful to get everything changed at once. It was clearly not the right way to go about things, and I personally want to apologize to those I put off with my "we're working on it" generic comments.
Now, what was the issue with Nori and Mori?
Quote:
"Mori and Nori as well as items relating to them have been changed due to the use of terminology that is offensive to those with Dissociative Identity Disorder. While they were not meant to be a direct representation of the disorder, many users have voiced their concerns that the inherent nature of her backstory alongside it being painted in a negative light opened up a lot of opportunities for offensive language being used throughout the site. Since Mori and Nori are such an accessible and essential part of the site, having things like this at the forefront may reenforce the thought that the usage of these terms is acceptable and normalized, which is not what's wanted at all in a site that seeks to be inclusive and diverse."
This was beautifully said by user fun who has experience with DID and has been a champion for educating the staff and users. I asked them to sum up what the problem for users without having to read the entire suggestion thread.
We've updated the text for the Mori and Nori quests (the intro text, the turn in text, the failed quest, the reward text), the quest shop text, the subetapedia main entry about the two as well as the quick facts listed in the quest givers list, and various items around the site. We've also renamed the achievements associated with Mori and Nori. Did we miss something? Please ping me (Amber) so I can adjust it.
In the future, I will actively try to not offer excuses ("our team is small" "our focus is on a holiday") and will do my best to work with users to get things updated in a timely manner. This isn't always possible, of course, but I personally could have done a lot better job with this particular issue.
Why does this all matter?
Like fun's quote says, we really do strive to be inclusive and diverse. We don't want to have things on site that upset users in a negative way like this. It's one thing to not like an item because you think spiders (or something similar) are scary, it's another to have to deal with an item promoting negative stereotypes to a mental health disorder you may have. By not addressing user concerns about Mori and Nori in a timely matter, we as staff made part of our user base feel unheard and unimportant which is never what we want. We've adjusted items with a quick turn around before (Algonquin Plushie comes to mind) and the fact we took over a year to make these changes was plain wrong.
Why post a new news post instead of just adding another comment to the earlier post?
The users who brought up the issue with Mori and Nori, continued to fight for the change, and actively tried to educate users and staff deserve this post. They deserve to be publicly acknowledged for the work they did.
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Hey I think the Mori|Nori quest thing this week is still broken, it still says Cursed quests. It says for the weekend quests "Bonus Weekend: Cursed Quests"
It would be good in situations like this to show the new content, as I don't know how to find what has changed.
It would be good in situations like this to show the new content, as I don't know how to find what has changed.
It would be good in situations like this to show the new content, as I don't know how to find what has changed.
This is a great step. Now can we also get all the egregious "it's so girly!!" sentiments on a bunch of pink stuff descriptions? Some is whatever but there are like dozens of items reiterating how pink can clearly only mean girl obvs
i understand and appreciate the change, however i would like to know where i can find screenshots/records of the old quest blurbs and item descs for archival? ive been attempting to create a cohesive archive of older subeta content but its extremely hard to find them since this isnt a super well known site so not a lot of consistent documentation that ive found. this site means so much to me and id hate to see a part of it fade into lost media so suddenly.
@Rat Thank you so much for explaining that to me! I didn't realize that terminology was used, and I definitely can see why that would be hurtful. I'm glad they changed it :)
Thank you for taking the time to explain it in more detail! I just was unsure if it was the curse part of the story or if there was direct terminology used, so that clears things up!
Thank you for taking the time to explain it in more detail! I just was unsure if it was the curse part of the story or if there was direct terminology used, so that clears things up!
...And before anyone jumps on my case about being insensitive -- I had a protector identity back in high school, and even if I didn't, it's okay to have a different opinion. I liked the narrative as it was, but I'm sure ya'll can find ways to make it interesting even with the change.
"During the 2012 survival plot Nori quite literally handcuffed herself to a radiator to prevent Mori from awakening and helping Ecks."
... Man, that sounds cool as HELL and I'm sad I missed it! We shouldn't have changed the evil part at all!
... Man, that sounds cool as HELL and I'm sad I missed it! We shouldn't have changed the evil part at all!
huh, i never really knew the details as to why i always skipped nori/mori quests come quest time, but this explains a LOT.
glad to see responsibility & accountability take place here.
be well everyone! <3
glad to see responsibility & accountability take place here.
be well everyone! <3
i respect the fuck outta yall for not only making this change, but making a SECOND news post like this. seeing, appreciating, and listening to the userbase is one of the things i love most about subeta
Thank you for the change! I agree that Duality is a much cooler name and concept, on top of addressing the issues of ableism. I also appreciate you being upfront and honest about this taking longer than is should have to be handled. ♥️ I've been following that thread for awhile and I was excited to come back to Subeta to this news!
@Takarama the threads here have more info from those with DID on why mori/nori and some of the associated items/achievement names were specifically asked to be changed:
https://subeta.net/forums.php/read/925130
https://subeta.net/forums.php/read/925767/MoriNoriMono-Ri-suggestions
most specifically, the phrases "two faced" and "split personality" are considered rude and out of date ways to refer to Dissociative Identity Disorder (aka DID), even though Mori/nori wasn't specifically made with that in mind, thier story was still too close a parallel to continue to be associated with those phrases, so staff decided on a full rewrite that replaced not only the out of date/rude phrases, but also changed the lore to be less similar to those irl with DID
@Tribunal While I can see where you are coming from, I am choosing to take this as Subeta committing to be better about these matters in general moving forward. Users really only asked for a change to one item and one achievement, if you read the threads linked above it was Subeta team that decided to do an entire revamp, but then them taking long with not many updates is what led to a lot of upset, and then hence why there has been such a big apology post for it
As i say in my first post on this news post, I really do hope they are better about all types of sensitivity changes in the future, and I gestured towards the Item Name/Description Update thread to hopefully get some updates soon.
If there is something you want changed, advocate for it and make a post on that thread or a new thread. The only reason this change happened was because people with DID and others who are supportive campaigned for the change :)
https://subeta.net/forums.php/read/925130
https://subeta.net/forums.php/read/925767/MoriNoriMono-Ri-suggestions
most specifically, the phrases "two faced" and "split personality" are considered rude and out of date ways to refer to Dissociative Identity Disorder (aka DID), even though Mori/nori wasn't specifically made with that in mind, thier story was still too close a parallel to continue to be associated with those phrases, so staff decided on a full rewrite that replaced not only the out of date/rude phrases, but also changed the lore to be less similar to those irl with DID
@Tribunal While I can see where you are coming from, I am choosing to take this as Subeta committing to be better about these matters in general moving forward. Users really only asked for a change to one item and one achievement, if you read the threads linked above it was Subeta team that decided to do an entire revamp, but then them taking long with not many updates is what led to a lot of upset, and then hence why there has been such a big apology post for it
As i say in my first post on this news post, I really do hope they are better about all types of sensitivity changes in the future, and I gestured towards the Item Name/Description Update thread to hopefully get some updates soon.
If there is something you want changed, advocate for it and make a post on that thread or a new thread. The only reason this change happened was because people with DID and others who are supportive campaigned for the change :)
Frustrating that a (fairly niche) change has been met with such adulation when previous attempts at much more common issues got a lot lot lot more derision. Don't get me wrong, I appreciate the change and feel it was called for. I just wish it mattered less who was calling for it.
And that wide gap between criticism and abuse is lookin' a little narrow atm. Nothing feels worse than complaining about unequal enforcement leading to unequal enforcement.
I'm trying to put this nicely/calmly. If the issue is just closed for discussion it would be nice if that could be said.
And that wide gap between criticism and abuse is lookin' a little narrow atm. Nothing feels worse than complaining about unequal enforcement leading to unequal enforcement.
I'm trying to put this nicely/calmly. If the issue is just closed for discussion it would be nice if that could be said.
Thank you for this change <3 Is it possible to have the issue explained in more detail to me? I'm a writer and would love to know what specific concerns were raised so I can educate myself further
It's been a few years since I delved into the lore so I'm a bit lost on what was changed haha but if it makes people more comfy then I'm happy with it!
It's been a few years since I delved into the lore so I'm a bit lost on what was changed haha but if it makes people more comfy then I'm happy with it!
I am going to be hiding most new comments to turn down the heat and that button automatically comes with a request to review the community guidelines. It is not an automatic strike against you or judgement of your comment. Just take a breath, maybe do some quests for the midnight turnover.
Comments about DID being fake WILL be treated as community guideline violations. Don't do it.
The...unpleasantness in the punchbowl is being handled. Other comments from the same source will be similarly flushed. Everyone else, while I appreciate your passion for calling out a bad take, please let it go now.
The...unpleasantness in the punchbowl is being handled. Other comments from the same source will be similarly flushed. Everyone else, while I appreciate your passion for calling out a bad take, please let it go now.
@Duane I've held my tongue up until this point because I don't really like conflict, but seeing as this is still going on I'm going to try and nicely explain the issue because I've seen you say a number of incorrect things:
I don't intend for this post to be rude, but I don't think you truly grasp the issue people are complaining about here. If it were just petty whining, staff would have just ignored it like the many other items that have gone unchanged on the suggested revisions board. I understand and am sympathetic to the fact that you do not like this change, but it was a necessary one. Like you said: it's a game. Everyone deserves to be able to have fun, and Mono Ri's story previously impeded that for many users. I hope you can better understand why people fought for this after this post.
- No one "bitched and cried" until they got their way. If you read the original thread, you can actually see a number of users who have DID just wanted the achievement changed originally as it was an outdated and offensive term, and were displeased with the turnaround time on that caused by the rewrite. Everyone who replied was also extremely respectful and constructive, even if the tone was sometimes harsh during later pages (after promised changes were repeatedly delayed). No one held staff hostage and forced them to rewrite Mono Ri.
- Until this point, Mori was unambiguously evil. She was a servant of Maleria and her page blurb said "Evil will always prevail." During the 2012 survival plot Nori quite literally handcuffed herself to a radiator to prevent Mori from awakening and helping Ecks. There is an item further down this thread called the "Staff of Good and Evil" that has Mori and Nori's wings on it. The only major lore change that's been made is that Mori is no longer evil. Nori and Mori are still functionally the same.
- It's not a matter of "hurt feelings" or edgy humor, it's a matter of it just being plain ableist with no punchline, and people were not wrong to call that out. You're a veteran, would you be maintaining this energy if Subeta made a character that read as being hateful or insulting to the troops or the disabled?
I don't intend for this post to be rude, but I don't think you truly grasp the issue people are complaining about here. If it were just petty whining, staff would have just ignored it like the many other items that have gone unchanged on the suggested revisions board. I understand and am sympathetic to the fact that you do not like this change, but it was a necessary one. Like you said: it's a game. Everyone deserves to be able to have fun, and Mono Ri's story previously impeded that for many users. I hope you can better understand why people fought for this after this post.
"Oh no a change was made so a marginalized group is no longer uncomfortable. What is this world coming to T_T"
Cope. What is wrong with some of you.
Cope. What is wrong with some of you.
@Duane
Sounds like you care a bit too much considering you responded so often here. It's understandable it makes no sense to you because you're not being affected. This is not about how YOU personally feel when you aren't the targeted audience for this announcement. It was announced however to everyone, because it was a site decision that would be noticeable for daily users. Please try and be at least a bit more understanding when there are multiple discussions from users that were affected and their further insight on the matter.
You could try and be more engaging on why you disagree on the decision instead of being determined to push the narrative that this was an insignificant problem.
Sounds like you care a bit too much considering you responded so often here. It's understandable it makes no sense to you because you're not being affected. This is not about how YOU personally feel when you aren't the targeted audience for this announcement. It was announced however to everyone, because it was a site decision that would be noticeable for daily users. Please try and be at least a bit more understanding when there are multiple discussions from users that were affected and their further insight on the matter.
You could try and be more engaging on why you disagree on the decision instead of being determined to push the narrative that this was an insignificant problem.
While I was previously almost completely uninformed about DID, I was personally annoyed by the whole darkness/night = evil defamation..., so I applaud these changes for my own personal reasons.
I find myself very thankful for all the Subetans who brought this issue up and fought for it, not only because it brought abought a change that I can appreciate, but it educated me about a disorder that I had not thought about much previously.
Thank you for all your efforts!
...and please let's be civil to people with differing opinions. We may not agree with them, but everyone should be able to express their negative or positive feelings over changes on the site equally.
(no matter how wrong-headed the way they worded their comments may sound)
I find myself very thankful for all the Subetans who brought this issue up and fought for it, not only because it brought abought a change that I can appreciate, but it educated me about a disorder that I had not thought about much previously.
Thank you for all your efforts!
...and please let's be civil to people with differing opinions. We may not agree with them, but everyone should be able to express their negative or positive feelings over changes on the site equally.
(no matter how wrong-headed the way they worded their comments may sound)
I can't say this is something I ever would have thought about or drawn parallels to, but I'm glad a needed change was made, and I'm touched at the amount of care and compassion for your userbase ♥
A touch late to the party, but still wanna throw in my two cents. Thank you to the team for updating these characters and the quests surrounding them to be more inclusive and less reliant on well outdated tropes. While Mori and Nori's situation isn't a one to one parallel to DID and other dissociative disorders, it's easy to see how people with these disorders saw themselves in the characters. You guys could've easily turned a blind eye to this, but instead you not only rose to the occasion of rewriting gods knows how many things, AND you also apologized for the fact that you hadn't been able to tackle the issue.
I myself don't have any dissociative disorders, but I'm good friends with a few systems and seeing this change warms my heart. Mori and Nori's quests are some of my favorites, hella looking forward to doing their quests and seeing the new changes.
Once again, thank you for listening to your community and stepping up to make changes. You all are awesome.
I myself don't have any dissociative disorders, but I'm good friends with a few systems and seeing this change warms my heart. Mori and Nori's quests are some of my favorites, hella looking forward to doing their quests and seeing the new changes.
Once again, thank you for listening to your community and stepping up to make changes. You all are awesome.
This will be my final comment on this news post because quite frankly, I'm going to be taking the massive L here regarding my talk of diabetes. I apologize immensely for not realizing just how intertwined diabetes is with mental health and social issues (I never thought anything of people checking blood sugars or using insulin or the likes, so I wrongly assumed most people are the same way as I am, but they unfortunately aren't), along with using very harmful terms such as "diabetic" and "control" in relation to diabetes. I had already understood things such as managing your diet/portions and that people with diabetes face physical issues, but I was very uneducated about the matter as a whole and for that, I am very sorry and I understand if I've further hurt people with diabetes because of my ignorance.
If anyone would like to talk further, whether about diabetes (I'd be happy to hear info firsthand tbh) or about the original issue (Mono Ri & DID), please feel free to comment or mail me. Thank you.
If anyone would like to talk further, whether about diabetes (I'd be happy to hear info firsthand tbh) or about the original issue (Mono Ri & DID), please feel free to comment or mail me. Thank you.
Since I see my comments on diabetes have upset some people, I'm going out of my way right now to read more about it. I apologize in advance for anything I said that was insensitive but my point was not that "diabetics are less important" or "diabetics are perfectly in control of their illness". I intended it as a way of saying "mental illnesses like DID are much more uncontrollable than something like diabetes" and "candy is a choice you make when you know you have diabetes" — however, I'm also aware that it's a matter of portion control, and I did not convey that I knew that.
Like I said, I'm reading up on it now, and I heavily apologize for any misinformation/incorrect statements I said.
Like I said, I'm reading up on it now, and I heavily apologize for any misinformation/incorrect statements I said.
I would like to know why the same usernames are still able to spew the same tired, pathetic attempts at hate on every single post about inclusivity. For years, in most cases. Mods, please. Can we just stop these few certain people saying it now? They've had more than enough chances.
can we please not spread very easily debunked myths about a disease you blatantly admit you haven't researched literally on a news post about not spreading bad misconceptions about a disease?
I appreciate this opportunity to learn and have empathy for people I never considered needed it. Thank you, to those who fought for this, for the learning lesson!
@bonecrivain
The point went absolutely over your head in this case. Physical illnesses are no less serious and not always the person's fault — not once did I put blame on a person for having diabetes. It's the fact if you know something will hurt your health severely, why would you do it? Having diabetes is horrific, no matter which type it is, and I would never say "well you did it to yourself". What I am saying is "you have to be careful about your health so why would you purposely choose to do something harmful".
That's like saying my best friend's shellfish allergy is their fault. lmfao no
But they... you know... choose not to eat shellfish because they know about their allergy and that it'll badly hurt and possibly kill them?
The point went absolutely over your head in this case. Physical illnesses are no less serious and not always the person's fault — not once did I put blame on a person for having diabetes. It's the fact if you know something will hurt your health severely, why would you do it? Having diabetes is horrific, no matter which type it is, and I would never say "well you did it to yourself". What I am saying is "you have to be careful about your health so why would you purposely choose to do something harmful".
That's like saying my best friend's shellfish allergy is their fault. lmfao no
But they... you know... choose not to eat shellfish because they know about their allergy and that it'll badly hurt and possibly kill them?
Making a super long post talking about how physical illnesses are your fault for not finding ways to simply control it and be healthier is really not the win you think it is.
Mental and physical illnesses aren't a contest and that post left a SUPER bad taste in my mouth.
Mental and physical illnesses aren't a contest and that post left a SUPER bad taste in my mouth.
As one of the users w/ DID, thank you SO much for making this change--it really means a lot to us. The change to the lore is very welcome as well--both including dissociative rep as well as separating Mori and Nori themselves from their previous version. Thank you again for taking accountability, it's very nice to be acknowledged like this in a supportive way.
We also love a lot of the item description updates! As TheGhostHybrid pointed out --
I think this was like this before the update, but this is SO sweet, it really nailed one of the positive sides of our condition.
Malachi summarized our feelings SUPER well on this. In addition to seeing language changed on the site, it's also just a huge confidence booster to see "no, actually, people with dissociative disorders aren't the monsters society at large makes them out to be. We [as singlets/non-systems/etc] WANT to and SUPPORT this change" from both staff and a majority of the users. 💖
We also love a lot of the item description updates! As TheGhostHybrid pointed out --
Malachi summarized our feelings SUPER well on this. In addition to seeing language changed on the site, it's also just a huge confidence booster to see "no, actually, people with dissociative disorders aren't the monsters society at large makes them out to be. We [as singlets/non-systems/etc] WANT to and SUPPORT this change" from both staff and a majority of the users. 💖
@bailey Glad I could help!!!
and, on another note - not trying to invalidate diabetics or addicts here, but since it was previously mentioned and whatnot... I really don't mean any offense saying this, but being sarcastic and saying "remove all candy because I'm addicted and have diabetes" has been bothering me.
Like I said, I am not trying to invalidate anyone with diabetes or addictions! Diabetes is, and please correct me if I'm wrong, a disorder(?) that has been thoroughly studied and has fairly clear-cut ways to take care of it. Now, while I wouldn't think "candy addict" is a diabetic stereotype (once again, correct me if wrong, please), I am aware that "people with diabetes are usually fat people" is a common misconception, if not a stereotype. Which, guess what — Subeta staff have changed item descriptions that poked fun at overweight people!
With diabetes, there's enough information out there to properly care for it, meaning it is ACTIVELY your choice to eat candy, knowing fully well that it WILL possibly harm you. Candy isn't a problematic item (unless the description says something insensitive, which in that case, tell that to staff???) due to the fact it is a CHOICE.
With dissociative disorders, it's not as clear what will outright cause the disorder to harm those affected, and while we can medicate ourselves and get therapy, it doesn't always work and sometimes even causes more harm than good (yes, there are doctors out there who both intentionally or unintentionally harm their already vulnerable patients, sadly). We don't choose to switch between alters (contrary to the belief of TikTok kids lmao) and we don't have the means to never lose control and never have amnesia and never destroy relationships with our mental illness. We don't have the control over our mental disorders like many physical disorders do.
As for addiction jokes: it's a perfect example of what normalizing these things (such as making Mori/Nori multiple personalities through uneducated wording) does for us as people. I'm guilty of making such jokes, many people are, because such a heavy and harmful topic has become normalized and downplayed in today's society. Same with depression, anxiety, S/H, etc jokes. Same with DID, schizophrenia, bipolar, OCD, psychopathy, etc. Same with murder, domestic violence, stealing, destroying property, etc.
When you normalize the language and approach of a certain topic in a certain way, it... well, it becomes the norm. So by adjusting Mori and Nori's wording, it removes the normalization of multiple personalities being "good" and "evil".
god I am so sorry I post a whole ass essay every reply but it seriously just... annoys me how ignorant people can be about real topics that ruin lives and are unwilling to learn better
(also I know I said it so many times but P L E A S E correct me if ANYTHING I said is wrong. I'm not 100% knowledgeable on diabetes and going off what I know through past and rather brief conversations my mother, who is a nurse practitioner. I'm just a guy with a single brain cell smacking a keyboard like it owes me money.)
and, on another note - not trying to invalidate diabetics or addicts here, but since it was previously mentioned and whatnot... I really don't mean any offense saying this, but being sarcastic and saying "remove all candy because I'm addicted and have diabetes" has been bothering me.
- it's mocking actual addictions, let's be real (which, yes, I'm guilty of making those jokes and I'll get to that)
- it's implying that diabetic people don't have the ability to control their eating/diet/etc and their blood sugar and whatnot
Like I said, I am not trying to invalidate anyone with diabetes or addictions! Diabetes is, and please correct me if I'm wrong, a disorder(?) that has been thoroughly studied and has fairly clear-cut ways to take care of it. Now, while I wouldn't think "candy addict" is a diabetic stereotype (once again, correct me if wrong, please), I am aware that "people with diabetes are usually fat people" is a common misconception, if not a stereotype. Which, guess what — Subeta staff have changed item descriptions that poked fun at overweight people!
With diabetes, there's enough information out there to properly care for it, meaning it is ACTIVELY your choice to eat candy, knowing fully well that it WILL possibly harm you. Candy isn't a problematic item (unless the description says something insensitive, which in that case, tell that to staff???) due to the fact it is a CHOICE.
With dissociative disorders, it's not as clear what will outright cause the disorder to harm those affected, and while we can medicate ourselves and get therapy, it doesn't always work and sometimes even causes more harm than good (yes, there are doctors out there who both intentionally or unintentionally harm their already vulnerable patients, sadly). We don't choose to switch between alters (contrary to the belief of TikTok kids lmao) and we don't have the means to never lose control and never have amnesia and never destroy relationships with our mental illness. We don't have the control over our mental disorders like many physical disorders do.
As for addiction jokes: it's a perfect example of what normalizing these things (such as making Mori/Nori multiple personalities through uneducated wording) does for us as people. I'm guilty of making such jokes, many people are, because such a heavy and harmful topic has become normalized and downplayed in today's society. Same with depression, anxiety, S/H, etc jokes. Same with DID, schizophrenia, bipolar, OCD, psychopathy, etc. Same with murder, domestic violence, stealing, destroying property, etc.
When you normalize the language and approach of a certain topic in a certain way, it... well, it becomes the norm. So by adjusting Mori and Nori's wording, it removes the normalization of multiple personalities being "good" and "evil".
god I am so sorry I post a whole ass essay every reply but it seriously just... annoys me how ignorant people can be about real topics that ruin lives and are unwilling to learn better
(also I know I said it so many times but P L E A S E correct me if ANYTHING I said is wrong. I'm not 100% knowledgeable on diabetes and going off what I know through past and rather brief conversations my mother, who is a nurse practitioner. I'm just a guy with a single brain cell smacking a keyboard like it owes me money.)
I don't personally see much need for the change as I never saw nori/mori as any sort of parallel to DID, but I can see where people would feel that way I guess. it's just made up stories on a virtual pet site at the end of the day, so it's of no issue to me if it changes to make people feel more comfortable
This is a wonderful--and huge--change! Thank you for devoting multiple news posts about it, and a very thorough explanation. I personally do not have DID, nor did I realize the connection between Nori and Mori to it but that's because it wasn't something actively on my mind. It's beautiful to see the community and staff communicating in such a respectful and educating way, both being very patient and receptive with one another--love to see it! However, I do have one concern about the forum title achievement; it's literally the only title I use because it's the only one I love (some of the others are nice and I like them, but none resonate with my username as much as "The Cursed," imo). I understand that it's odd to keep the title associated with completing 1000 Nori and Mori quests, even if it is retired, after putting in so much work to not associate diction like cursed with the character anymore. I know that it's still active atm but that doesn't seem to be the case for the future, nor would it make sense to keep. I saw that Amber has stated perhaps having it for a future achievement, which is certainly a solution, I just don't want it to be difficult to get again when I already have it and have used it ever since completing the achievement. I am not trying to be disrespectful by mitigating or diminishing the huge amount of work and discussions that have gone into making this positive change; I would just really like to still have the title in some shape or form.
@Amber~ i've seen you kinda bash yourself a few times here and please, don't do that. you're bringing changes that make people happy/comfortable, there's a learning curve (and many items to take care of). we appreciate your work. u3u
I love how much care the whole team and community puts into Subeta. I’ve been playing since I was a kid and it always felt like a respectful and wholesome place. Thank you! ❤️
@Amber, wow! The new descriptions are great and don’t either vilify or deify, which is perfect.
Please don’t call yourself dumb! This was a big change to make, and we’re all only human, so it’s natural that things slipped through the cracks, hence your request for people to bring up bits that were missed.
You are not dumb.
Please don’t call yourself dumb! This was a big change to make, and we’re all only human, so it’s natural that things slipped through the cracks, hence your request for people to bring up bits that were missed.
You are not dumb.
Amber
STAFF
@Laurey The journal still works, since Mono Ri spent up to her 18th birthday constructing the statue.
As far as the Cursed/Blessed items, I'm talking with the artist about it! We'll rename them but we're sorting out exactly how we want to word it. My first thought was dawn/dusk related but she pointed out dusk is usually more blue. It'll be updated in the next few days, though! (She has family visiting and I'm about to go into another Jewish holiday so I can't guarantee it'll be RIGHT away).
@TheGhostHybrid I updated a lot of those More items! I'll do another run-through of Nori items later as well. I as dumb and only searched 'cursed' in items and descriptions and not Mori and Nori individually when going back over all the possible item combinations.
As far as the Cursed/Blessed items, I'm talking with the artist about it! We'll rename them but we're sorting out exactly how we want to word it. My first thought was dawn/dusk related but she pointed out dusk is usually more blue. It'll be updated in the next few days, though! (She has family visiting and I'm about to go into another Jewish holiday so I can't guarantee it'll be RIGHT away).
@TheGhostHybrid I updated a lot of those More items! I'll do another run-through of Nori items later as well. I as dumb and only searched 'cursed' in items and descriptions and not Mori and Nori individually when going back over all the possible item combinations.
No surprise someone with their HA made to look like the Joker is out here acting like the worst possible example of humanity.
Feels necessary to add my voice to those happy for the change! I was following the thread for a while and I'm glad this second news post was added in the end. It's unbelievable that some people still comment with this negativity, but it's also good to see that a majority understands and supports the change.
Idk anything. I don't even quest. But changes are fun, so thanks!
Also, someone get Duane a shot of glucagon before letting 'em back online.
Also, someone get Duane a shot of glucagon before letting 'em back online.
Up until today I guess I had absolutely no understanding of this disorder and when referring to it in conversation I would call it “multiple personalities” …. I really never thought that I would learn something so informative from this site. I am glad to have gained that knowledge, thank you!
@Malachi - much needed. This explanation was super helpful. I was about to try and read through the whole forum in order to better understand why this change was made. Thank you for posting an easy to comprehend view of DID. May have avoided a situation in the future where I could have offended someone without realizing
@Malachi - much needed. This explanation was super helpful. I was about to try and read through the whole forum in order to better understand why this change was made. Thank you for posting an easy to comprehend view of DID. May have avoided a situation in the future where I could have offended someone without realizing
I dont want to be that person but damn am I really seeing, "what is this world coming to" comments? Like why can't you just be supportive and understanding instead of questioning so negatively as to why subtea would incorporate changes regarding outdated terms? If yall seriously had this much of a problem, where were you when the Mori/Nori discussion was going on cause like...it certainly wasn't in the thread. Honestly, its too little and too late to be 'disappointed' and I hope you continue to feel this way if a small revision is really going to throw you off.
thank you to the folks who advocated! and thank you for learning from this and committing to doing better.