Rule Change: No More Site-Specific Options Needed For Commission Spots
Subeta has had a long-standing rule for several years now that users offering creative products or services need to have at least one commission quote that cites a price in CSC or other site-specific options. This was intended for several purposes, one of the big ones being to prevent scammers from setting up shop in pure USD.
This rule has been subject to a lot of discussion and debate, along with pleas to re-examine it, and we’ve decided to give that a shot! We’re going to rescind this requirement for ALL commission types (coding, writing, artwork, etc.) and give it (about) a sixty-day period to look at how it’s going. At that sixty-day period, if it has dramatically increased site traffic to the point where there’s a very clear cost of relaxing it versus how much we’re paying on servers and database, we’ll explain what’s going on and solicit further feedback on how best to balance the situation. Or, if we need more data, I’ll post to that; the big take-away is that y’all will get an update at sixty days.
EDIT FOR FURTHER EXPLANATION: To clarify at what the sixty days assessment is meant to be, it is not that the site-specific slots rules go back into effect at that point, the change about not needing site-specific commission spots is in effect unless otherwise and SPECIFICALLY noted. The sixty days is us assessing how it is going on backend from everything to server traffic that affects and does not offset the change in base Subeta operating costs to overall pattern of site of activity. IF this incurs a huge amount of site traffic that pushes Subeta way into the red and affects our ability to deliver a fun experience to all our users, OR if there is an increased pattern of scammers specifically showing up for USD and then bouncing without delivering, thus making it harder for the creative community overall, we will be laying out those issues to y'all, the userbase, and discussing what changes are useful and feasible to find a balance if it is even necessary. It is not about making anyone justify keeping the change, it is about us being transparent in what we're taking into account and why IF issues crop up.
We still encourage people to keep offering your CSC/sP/etc spots in addition to USD, of course, and we know the people who’ve already paid for those openings look forward to getting their completed work. But we hope that being more flexible with the established and aspiring creative community going forward gives you more reasons to support Subeta and invite others to do so as well!
Posted by Galaxia
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it is so incredibly rare to get commed on here as is, kinda..,but i doubt anything is changing drastically in 2 months of time
i mean it's nice that the option is being finally considered
i mean it's nice that the option is being finally considered
@Galaxia
I think there needs to be some very clear guidelines on what you guys are looking for / hoping for.
Right now the post reads like there is a whole lot of expectations being placed on Creatives.
I absolutely don't feel comfortable OR safe jumping back into offering commissions with how this post is worded and how vague the information we're being given is.
I think there needs to be some very clear guidelines on what you guys are looking for / hoping for.
Right now the post reads like there is a whole lot of expectations being placed on Creatives.
I absolutely don't feel comfortable OR safe jumping back into offering commissions with how this post is worded and how vague the information we're being given is.
@Cresenta
I got you friendo. <3 I will continue to offer some kind of CSC slot and I am sure some other artists will too.
I am glad that staff listened to concerns and are taking action, and personally I'm fine with the 60 day "test phase" to see what, if any, effects this rule change has. Maybe the wording could have been a little different, but I think it's fair that staff want to see how this rule change might affect the site before permanently rescinding the rule. Honestly, 60 days might not be enough to get comprehensive data since commissions and site traffic aren't always steady, but I suppose they can extend the trial period later if they feel it's necessary.
I got you friendo. <3 I will continue to offer some kind of CSC slot and I am sure some other artists will too.
I am glad that staff listened to concerns and are taking action, and personally I'm fine with the 60 day "test phase" to see what, if any, effects this rule change has. Maybe the wording could have been a little different, but I think it's fair that staff want to see how this rule change might affect the site before permanently rescinding the rule. Honestly, 60 days might not be enough to get comprehensive data since commissions and site traffic aren't always steady, but I suppose they can extend the trial period later if they feel it's necessary.
@feral
The 60-day bit is not to make y'all prove anything, we promise. It is more of the idea that, at sixt-ish days, if increased traffic is putting a major strain on the infrastructure or there is an increase in scamming (which would also hurt the reputation of people offering services on Subeta overall), we'll evaluate other measures and solicit feedback! We do want to listen and work with people, and this is something that has been requested for a bit. At that sixty days we also don't want people to be surprised if we set out a list of pros and cons that need to be addressed, we want to be transparent on time frames when we have the luxury of clear ones.
The 60-day bit is not to make y'all prove anything, we promise. It is more of the idea that, at sixt-ish days, if increased traffic is putting a major strain on the infrastructure or there is an increase in scamming (which would also hurt the reputation of people offering services on Subeta overall), we'll evaluate other measures and solicit feedback! We do want to listen and work with people, and this is something that has been requested for a bit. At that sixty days we also don't want people to be surprised if we set out a list of pros and cons that need to be addressed, we want to be transparent on time frames when we have the luxury of clear ones.
screams oh hell yeah
...but also feeling kind of what Feral has mentioned
But hell yeah thank you staff for giving it a shot!
...but also feeling kind of what Feral has mentioned
But hell yeah thank you staff for giving it a shot!
Great! Now that there's a significant decline in artists and commissions in general, this should be a big help!
I must admit, I'm a bit confused as to why this is going through a test period and what you expect to change when the answer is "in sixty days regardless of what happens, we'll make new decisions." Like...sixty days is not a lot of time for artists to come back without any guarantee (maybe I'm just not understanding the wording but it seems like you want site traffic to drastically increase but I'd it does that still might not matter?) and it's definitely not a lot of time for a new user who's thinking about joining to get used to being on site and wanting to maybe branch into offering creative services.
I guess it's good that there's any sort of chance at having the rule rescinded, it just seems strange to put this kind of short window on it and expect dramatic results. It kinda seems like you're preparing already to say "nah didn't work, not gonna do it" which is a bummer since I know quite a few artists who are already on the verge of quitting where that would tip them over the edge.
@Cresenta
A lot of artists who did respond on the thread where this was discussed have already said they will still offer site currency slots at their discretion, so there will still be spaces available. It's just really unfair to ask folks to be required to do what is basically unpaid labor because site currency doesn't help them IRL at all, and a lot of what I've seen is only folks willing to grab the CSC/sP slots on here for the artists who did stick around rather than moving themselves completely off site. At their discretion is better because they're offering because they want site currency or want to offer an alternate option for folks who don't/can't commission with USD.
I guess it's good that there's any sort of chance at having the rule rescinded, it just seems strange to put this kind of short window on it and expect dramatic results. It kinda seems like you're preparing already to say "nah didn't work, not gonna do it" which is a bummer since I know quite a few artists who are already on the verge of quitting where that would tip them over the edge.
@Cresenta
A lot of artists who did respond on the thread where this was discussed have already said they will still offer site currency slots at their discretion, so there will still be spaces available. It's just really unfair to ask folks to be required to do what is basically unpaid labor because site currency doesn't help them IRL at all, and a lot of what I've seen is only folks willing to grab the CSC/sP slots on here for the artists who did stick around rather than moving themselves completely off site. At their discretion is better because they're offering because they want site currency or want to offer an alternate option for folks who don't/can't commission with USD.
Look, I'm happy to see staff actually reconsidering this rule, but this isn't the way to do it.
This comes with even more pressure than before being put specifically on Creators to continue to keep the site afloat. Did you guys not put enough of that pressure on CW artists, now it's got to be on all Creators too?
I'm going to be incredibly honest:
I'm not sure how you expect me, or anyone else to throw their all at a 'chance' for change when we have no idea what the end goal actually is.
What am I supposed to say to people to encourage them to come back?
"Oh yeah, please come bust your ass on Subeta to potentially help others? Oh yeah and we've got 60 days to 'prove it' to staff."
This rule has spent the last decade killing the community, and now WE'VE got 60 days to fix a problem we didn't even create? lmao.
If staff believe that they're genuinely making such an important part of server costs off the backs of Creatives, then just keep the rule.
This is honestly a super gross announcement and I'm incredibly disappointed.
This comes with even more pressure than before being put specifically on Creators to continue to keep the site afloat. Did you guys not put enough of that pressure on CW artists, now it's got to be on all Creators too?
I'm going to be incredibly honest:
I'm not sure how you expect me, or anyone else to throw their all at a 'chance' for change when we have no idea what the end goal actually is.
What am I supposed to say to people to encourage them to come back?
"Oh yeah, please come bust your ass on Subeta to potentially help others? Oh yeah and we've got 60 days to 'prove it' to staff."
This rule has spent the last decade killing the community, and now WE'VE got 60 days to fix a problem we didn't even create? lmao.
If staff believe that they're genuinely making such an important part of server costs off the backs of Creatives, then just keep the rule.
This is honestly a super gross announcement and I'm incredibly disappointed.
As a person who has always got any and all commissions with csc, I'll be honest idk how to feel. But I guess we'll see if I can get any comm slots now. Overall, I hope if this sticks then it helps Subeta.
@DimDim
Good catch! We're calling it a rule change for now since we don't want people to feel hesitant, but you are correct that we're going to be looking at impact overall. We just want to be clear right now that we want people to be comfortable changing their structure to what works for them so that we do get that data. We can do more changes later as needed once we see how it's going.
Good catch! We're calling it a rule change for now since we don't want people to feel hesitant, but you are correct that we're going to be looking at impact overall. We just want to be clear right now that we want people to be comfortable changing their structure to what works for them so that we do get that data. We can do more changes later as needed once we see how it's going.
Very interesting! I read the topic and it's nice to see staff looked into it and listened to the userbase and our concerns and what not.
I don't offer any sort of product or service, but I did see the forum and a lot of opinions on it.
I just want to say
Thank you for listening and giving it a shot, as I know it was something that was very important to a lot of users.
I just want to say
Thank you for listening and giving it a shot, as I know it was something that was very important to a lot of users.