I think we all are used to trades being used for high-price items in petsites, but that's not really what they are intended for.<br />
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SHOPS are for sP. TRADES are for item-for-item.<br />
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Whether or not petsites have grown accustomed to that, it is certainly no fun when the sellers or some rare item have all been offline for months.

Why not close the whole TP and raise the user shop limit to 1'000'000'000? xD

i preferred it when the limit was 250000sp because 1mil<br />
is a lot, but on the bright side i might be richer

I like this, because often I get stuck in quests where I have to buy an unbuyable item, and all of the people with them in trades are offline. However, there is also the downside that so many other people have pointed out.<br><br />
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At the moment, though, I think the benefit for questing users outweighs the problems.

Looks good to me. <img src="http://images.subeta.org/smilies/6398_emoticon_smile.gif" border="0" />

Wonderful. I think that works perfectly for the amount of ease it is to earn 1 mill. =) now I don't have to wait around forever for a minor purchase.

Er, supply low enough and demand high enough that former staff customs have had a stable price for a while. You know what I mean. <img src="http://images.subeta.org/smilies/6398_emoticon_wink.gif" border="0" />

Cool X3 this will help lots

Dark_Shadow, why do you want to control who gets an item? If you price something at 1 mil in trades and someone offers 1 mil, are you really going to reject them? That's just ridiculous.<br />
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And look, guys. I could rs a new item before anyone else and price it at 5 mil in trades. A bunch of other people who rsed it after me would probably follow my lead and price theirs around that high. Does that mean it's worth 5 mil? No, it doesn't. That's some random number I came up with. Who cares if it deflates? It's just getting down to a more reasonable price. Once supply and demand even out, it will settle at the proper price. Just look at the former wearable staff customs -- supply is still high enough and demand low enough that none of them go for pennies, even after over a year.

Oh my gosh. 1 mil?!??

O8 WELL. This'll help to get rid of the junk in my trades. Nice thinking!

I really hate tyhis.. deflation is now rampant. Trades are where the high priced things belong <img src="http://images.subeta.org/smilies/6398_emoticon_sad.gif" border="0" />

Noooo. Deflation galore. x.x<br />
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I really don't think this is a good idea, because the trades is the whole purpose for that, and it'll deflate faster. Rawr. -dies-

I see what's being said about undercutting on trades too. However, it's much easier to correct an undercutting in trades then shops. I saw on item in shops that was 200k. Someone messed up and put 20k. Then 10 more users autopriced for 20k. Now, imagine that kind of mess up on a rare item you restock. One user trying to sell an item worth 1 mil for 800k is normal and tend to sell fast. Shops fill up faster than trades. My friend and I went and priced all this month's DP items. Most of them aren't worth anything now.<br />
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Highlandlass said it very well. Users should have to work for some things. Those goals normally involve trades.

I personally don't care who buys my things, just as long as someone does. I don't want to play some big power trip with who gets my things, I just want the SP. It happens much faster in the shops than trades. Now instead of sticking stuff in my vault to rot (because they rot anyway in Trades) I can stick it in my shop and get rid of it <img src="http://images.subeta.org/smilies/6398_emoticon_smile.gif" border="0" /><br />
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I personally would love if they totally got rid of the trades altogether, I hate them!!!!

I don't think I like this idea much, though I have a few higher priced items in my shop at the moment. It seems to defy the point of trades, just a little... Especially if the price limit keeps being raised =/<br />
But I'm sure others like it and you guys have reasoning behind it.

This is something I really don't like. Seeing the prices drop for the 500k and under items from under cutters is bad enough but now 1 mill? That's crazy. If your stopping with a million why not just put no limit and only auto price to 250k? What's the difference? There isn't any. Prices on some items are bound to fall now. I Rs a lot and the higher price items are the main source of my income. Now, after a while they won't be worth anything nor worth Rs. <br />
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I prefer the trades over shops because you aren't stuck -at- that limit like you are with shops. Two with trades you control who gets the item you can't do that with shops.

I think it's a great idea. Kudos! The AP isn't to blame for undercutters - undercutters are. And there is so much rampant undercutting in trades, it leaves everyone bleeding. So what difference does it make if someone undercuts a 1mil item in trades or in the shops? None, absolutely none.

i think the 1 million price mark is the way to go money is earned so easily that it just makes sense instead of having them sit in trades where you might get it or you might not keep it up i love it

Wow! 1m is alot but I think 500k would be much better...

The new shop limit makes absolutely no difference at all to the undercutters. None what so ever, they did the same on the Trades, just thank goodness the autopricer doesn't go that high. I think that (for me anyway) this is perfect, I personally HATE the Trades, and would rather never have to deal with them ever.<br />
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There are four people in our house that play Subeta, at least I now get to sell my things. My Mum hogs the computer to play on her account. Before I never stood a chance at all to ever sell things, because I couldn't be on here to quickly accept a Trade, people would pay the higher prices from someone else just because they were online.

I hope you plan to drop the limit back to like 500k or something after December 31st. I see the good but the bad is outweighing it. Items that were 1mil are now like 300k thanks to those that can't price intelligently. That might sound harsh but it's true. There is no need for undercutting 50-100k each time.

I like this. If something deflates more rapidly in shops, that just means it was never worth as much as people were asking in the first place (that is, the demand isn't high enough and the supply low enough to justify high prices). If people put UBs in trades for over a mil and others don't want to pay that, soon enough the items will show up in shops, just like they did before. I can't see any downsides; I only wish the autopricer would work for everything in shops (or at least to 500k).

I love it, as I can't spend very long on the computer I now get to sell some of my stuff that would sit in Trades for ever. Now people can buy from me even if I can't be on here all the time.<br />
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Thank you Staff this is a huge improvement.

Ok, I can see how staff can see how this would be good for the holidays. Seeing as for last minute shopping and selling quickly for money. But the way that the economy is being changed, it's ruining it for the rest of the year. This wasn't the best idea but seeing as some people are mixed, I can't say I agree or disagree with it. For the holidays, it was a good idea, but if you leave it like this, it will ruin the economy with inflation and deflation. I wouldn't have a problem with it personally, because I don't sell much, but it will upset a handful of people.

I dun like this 0=< Now its impossible to get a UB noooow. why not keep it at 250k?

My god.<br />
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I though this was a bad idea at 250k. I saw the future, I swear. Deflation complaints. Inflation complaints. Pointless rants.<br />
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Most UBS will be priced at over one mill. Crazy.

I love the new limit, thank you Keith and Subeta Staff. <br />
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It means that I can finally clear out some of my clutter that I don't need (or want) To my way of thinking what is the use of an Unbuyable sitting for months in Trades, this just means that the prices are too high otherwise someone would buy them. What good are they to me then, I would rather clear them out and make room for something else. I would rather get my sp and move on to something else, I would rather use my sp then have it just rot. To my way of thinking a rotting Unbuyable is just an Unsellable.<br />
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I also like the idea that once someone makes a decision to buy now, they click and it is theirs. Instead of making bids and changing their minds. <br />
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I love my Gold Account (and everything about it) I love that I don't have to hand price 30 or more pages of stuff. So what that I have to hand price a few things, it is MUCH better than hand pricing ALL of it.<br />
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I also love the idea of doing my bit to help support my favourite site, and help in my very small way to keep it going.<br />
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It is so very easy to make sp on this site, I don't understand what everyone is complaining about, so you win a few and you loose a few, so what. That is life!

This is so awesome! <img src="http://images.subeta.org/smilies/6398_emoticon_grin.gif" border="0" />

Why couldn't it just stay 500k? That was so perfect.<br />
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Hopefully only short term. I don't like it. <img src="http://images.subeta.org/smilies/smiley_sadface.gif" border="0" />

I happen to like this, although I worry about my bank account now that previously UBs are easier to obtain. Frankly, I never really understood the point of upper shop price limits on this or other pet sites. Forcing people to use Trades adds an extra cost to already expensive items, as the seller prices higher to make up for the decreased ease of selling. The higher price plus the decreased ease of buying reduces the amount of people willing to buy, and items linger in Trades... making trades even less attractive as a means of selling and continuing the spiral. (I'm trying very hard not to use actual econ terminology here...)<br />
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Trades should be for trading, one item for another, and shops should be uncapped entirely, to my mind. There are more than enough buyers and sellers in the Subeta economy for prices to reach a fair equilibrium by those means.

Psh, wish I had something I'm willing to sell worth a mil. <img src="http://images.subeta.org/smilies/6398_emoticon_raspberry.gif" border="0" />

I agree that things had gotten stupidly inflated over the last few months. I agree that this will make it easier to obtain wishlist items. What I don't agree with is that this is how things "should" be. I get it that a year ago prices were lower on almost everything. Let's take a minute and put that in perspective though. A year ago there were not nearly as many players either. I started playing around this time last year and I can tell you that UBs were not in fact in the 350k range like someone stated. I paid over a million for my Buffy Plushie which was a highly desired plushie at that time and I know I paid close to a million for several other wishlist items as that was the going rate for them. DPs were about 1-1.5 million unopened and they could range pretty high after opening as well, just not crazy high like nowadays.So, back to the here and now, for every item that is on my wishlist, there are probably at least 1000 other players with that exact same item on their wishlist as well. That usually means that that particular items price will rise significantly. Now, yes, if it has been sitting in trades and isn't selling than it may be overpriced. OR...it may be that ever since the God Weapons were introduced nobody wants to spend any sP or trade any items as they are saving for whatever uber weapon they have in mind. When the GWs were introduced is when I started to notice the crazy inflation as well as the increase in difficulty selling items. Everybody suddenly wanted pure and lots of it for everything in trades. (I know that using words like "everybody" and "everything" is incorrect as I have run into some people who do actually break that mold, but it seems the prevailing idea as of late). I just don't see raising shop price limits to 1 million as a good thing. I don't see how it will help the economy or the relations between the players here. It has already caused bickering and strife amongst players(just check out the forums). And, yes, it is supposed to be "testing" but what if it becomes permanent? Would any of the current supporters feel differently if that was the case I wonder. My personal opinion is that a wishlist shouldn't be easily obtainable. You should have goals to work towards and yes, some of them should take longer than one month. I don't want it to become like on Neopets where you save every point for a couple of years to paint one pet, but there has to be a happy medium somewhere out there. Eh...for now, my trades will stay right where they are and I'll sit back and watch to see how this all goes while hoping for the best.

I honestly don't like the jump. There's something about it that just...<br />
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It's so -high-, and while I can appreciate the fact that the items on my WL will be easier to get, it's not going to bode well in the long run.

I dont really like this idea 250k for just perfect and then 500k came along now 1 mil. Im not sure if many people are going to like this D=

Everybody keeps saying deflation, deflation, deflation. Well the truth is UBs have inflated a huge amount in the past few years. UBs used to cost 200k-350k on the high end unless they were really rare or special. And then they were maybe 2 mil. Very few items cost more than that. Now everything is automatically 1 mil. THAT is ridiculous. With things so inflated, yeah you make more, but you also pay way more than you would have a year ago. And there's no reason for it. It's not that the value of items has gone up. It's that the value of sp has gone down. This is a game and the value of the money shouldn't fall that much unless something is broken in the system. As someone else said, supply and demand. If your item is worth 5 mil people will pay that much, if not then lower your price or don't sell it.

HighlandLass, I have to totally agree.<br />
D= I haven't gotten the rude comments.. yet. But people are expecting for us to put things in shops, or meet those prices just because they are in shops.<br />
Whatever happened to the value of items?

a limit of 500K sounds good but 1 mil is stupid

sounds like a really bad idea

I personally don't think this is a good idea at all, but I don't get a say so in that decision, so I guess I'll see how it goes. I feel that 250k was a good amount to raise shop limits to. It gave more leeway on how you could sell those slightly UB items without going nuts. With the continual increase in shop price limit, it really has changed the definition of Unbuyable and has made trading even harder(at least for me) as people seem to expect you to put anything that falls in the limits in your shop. Did it never occur to some people that I have my stuff in the trades for the purpose of actually trading them for other items and not just pure sP? With the raised price limits in shops though, I have had comments and sMails that are close to rude and downright demanding that I move some of my stuff from trades to my shop. This hasn't really improved Subeta as far as I have seen, but again, I guess we shall see.

I... I just died a little inside. <img src="http://images.subeta.org/smilies/smiley_sadface.gif" border="0" /> I guess whenever I play Subeta I'll have to hum 'I Will Survive' to myself just to get through forcing myself not to buy minions that were unbuyable.

oh my.... that's rather high =| I think I preferred the limit of 500k D=

frowns<br />
1mill is just ridiculous.<br />
250k was a lot better.<br />
change it back keithie! D=

I don't know... true, it's just a test, but you should have kept it at 500k. Why should the trades exist if the shop limit is up to one million? It's helpful to some people, but there are only so many items valued at two million and above.

I both like it and dislike it. It's MUCH easier on buying and selling to me, but I like the more personal communication of trades, and trading items-for-items.<br />
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I think I liked the 500k limit better. XD

I liked the 250k limit, 1 million is just too high.

While many complain about price deflation (which is life, regardless of if the item is a UB or not), I'm pretty happy with the fact that I can get more items off my wishlist without dealing with trades. And because it seems most people have something on their wishlists, hopefully everyone will be able to get deals on at least some items. If your item worth 1m on trades drops to 500k, fine, you get 500k. But what if the UB item you've been wanting for your gallery drops as well? Less money in pocket along with the desired item costing less still results in you buying the item (more or less). And yes, that may not hold true for people buying those 60 million point weapons out of the MC, but really, just save for longer than you did before. =)

If I just get 500k for an item that before was worth 1mil due to price dropping, that's ok. Because the items I want will have dropped in price as well. All this price dropping does is make numbers smaller.<br />
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The value of an time that once was 100 sP and now is 10 sP is still same value when other items drop too, i.e. one from 1000 sP to 100 sP.

Haha that's cool because I can't use the trades right now, it helps a bit xD

x_x definitely a bit over board with this one. Good thing its just a testing period because I have my doubts that this is going to go well.

o_o Wow, huge raise- but awesome. =O

This is all well and fine, but Keith I'm wondering just when you're going to get trades working again for IE users? It's been a couple of weeks, patience is running out, extreme aggravation is running in.

I love that when you want something, you can get it immediately. Personally, I don't think the shops should go over 250k or 500k max. The problem is, anything in the shops that sells for a large amount of sp, drops massively in price very quickly; but I guess that is undercutters. Good for buyers, bad for sellers.<br />
I wish everyone had and used the autopricer.

I'm interested in the effect this may/may not have on the economy nods Whereas several people are screaming over the autopricer limit, I personally could care less if the limit is 250k or 100k or otherwise. I can always seperate items that need hand priced into a seperate shop nods <br />
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Like Neekster, I vend. We are victims of vendaholicism. It's a disease. We handle it by filling out shops. When I get UBs from the machines I find out their worth, then decide where they'll go. If it's a UB over 250k, then I'm more likely to throw it is my vault unless I have a severe lack of use for it. This new limit just means less vault clutter.<br />
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I'll still gladly buy GAs, make cash shop purchases, and such. That money (to me) has less to do with what I can do on the site and MORE to do with helping fund site expansion, improvement, and research. But hey, that's just my view.

I don't think it would be a good idea... items value is constantly undercutted : (

This will help us Item Hunters, for example, people cannot be online at the trades the whole time, and some are slow to respond on trades, so now it is great that we can buy ubs in shops ^__^

Awesome, thanks! When you really think about it, there's no actual reason for there to be any limit on the shops at all. Isn't Neopets the only other site that puts limits on shop prices? Most online games let you price things however you want in shops and don't force you to deal with trades unless you actually want to trade item to item.

I think the "deflation" thing is a red herring. So often items are said to be "worth 5 million" just because that's how they're listed in the Trading Post, when really they aren't selling at that price. <br />
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An item is only worth what people will actually pay for it. If the relationship between supply and demand actually supports a price of 5 million for an item, then any items placed in shops at 1 million will be snapped up and the price will go back up to 5 million again with a little patience. If the supply/demand relationship will only support a price of 750k, then the item is worth 750k, not 5 million.<br />
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If you really think there are items in shops now that are drastically underpriced, why not buy them up and try to sell them at the higher price when it goes back up, as it's bound to if the items are really artifically deflated.

I think the autopricer should be the same price as the shop limit. o-o

Holy o.o;<br />
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I really don't know if this is good or not but thanks xD checks trades again

Now if only the auto pricer was updated, this would be so much more awesome! keep it up subeta team! hopefully this will keep the prices on new items down and help give the market the challenge it needs to keep it fair!

Hmm. I'm semi torn on this one. It's awesome to be able to buy more things from the shops in a heartbeat when you need them, but I've seen the prices plummet so fast.... I guess we'll just have to wait and see. o.o;

Maybe we're being taught a lesson.. rolls eyes

Wow, it's just testing. :/ Calm down, people! If it doesn't work out, I'm sure it will be done away with and if it does work out, there will always be people griping on both sides of the fence. <img src="http://images.subeta.org/smilies/6398_emoticon_raspberry.gif" border="0" /> So I guess the gripers win both ways! <img src="http://images.subeta.org/smilies/6398_emoticon_grin.gif" border="0" /><br />
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I think 250k is more then enough to sell in user shops...anything else is not worth it...you have to check everyday to see the prices of your UB's....this last increase is stupid...soon there wont be any items left in trades! The novalty will wear off soon...

Why are people always interfering in other people's business? If I have an item of which there are 10 more in trades, all priced at 10 mill and I want to sell mine at 7mill cos I want to get the sP quick, who are you to tell me what to do and label me as 'undercutter'? I wish people would just learn to live and let live.

Frankly I'm sick of these price increases. I'm tired of having to check every UB I own and see if it's now in shops and then make sure that every ub that is buyable (which is most of them) isn't being overpriced in the user shops and trying to sell for 500k when it has some priced at 200k in trades or something. <br />
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1million sp is too much for user shops if you ask me. I am not happy about this.

I keep seeing everyone complaining about the deflation of everything....well there's been a lot of inflation also. Many of the items that Pete ask for that used to sell in the trades at just above 100k are now priced 500k. Deflation will occur with those items because many people will not pay that much to complete a pete quest...at least I know I won't. So eventually the price will deflate to the normal supply/demand standards.<br />
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Items that were previously higher and are now deflating...it's only because the supply of the item is more than the demand at this point. If you want to use the trades, then use them. Me and many others won't be able to buy from you though cause we are stuck with IE...which means what we can do on this site is a bit limited until the recode.<br />
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Another comment about the deflation....if you have an item priced in your trades for 2M and there's tons of others with theirs at the same price.....maybe eventually someone will come along to buy one of the items because they want it, but they may buy from someone else rather than you. It may be another week before someone else comes along that wants that item. Until then, your item still may be 'worth' 2M, but what good does it do you if you can't sell the thing. When the prices drop, other people may be more interested in the item at that point. There's quite a few items I would love to have, but I refuse to pay 10M+ for them...so I'll sit back and wait until I see a good price on the item, and then I'll buy it. I'm sure others do the same thing.<br />
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I don't intentionally try to 'undercut' prices, although I may not advertise an undercutter price, I may accept them. Just like the Sakura I have in my trades...last I looked the lowest price was 5.5M. If someone came along and offered me 3.5M for it, then I'd accept without hesitation. What good does the item do me if it's just rotting away in my trades? I'd rather have some of the sP to do some nice Christmas shopping with.

... Sweet! Kinda been waiting for this. X3

This is good, cause prices get lowered and quests is easier to do.<br />
This is bad cause the prices sink making less profit on sales.<br />
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It's double edged certainly, but I love this. I sell items I would never have been able to get sold in trades.<br />
It's not hard to ask if one wish to move an item to trades to trade it for another item either.<br />
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Keep this!

I gave the 500k thing a chance, and I don't particularly like it. Super rare minions that were 500k-1mil before, suddently crash down to 50k... Making the limit even higher isn't exactly going to help. I prefer 250k maximum.

this is good for me, because i can't get into trades.

I think this is a good idea and I don't have a problem hand pricing the items I add that the autopricer doesn't do .

I love the idea it gives other users a chance to own items that are stuck in the trades... thank you subeta Keep up the great work <img src="http://images.subeta.org/smilies/6398_emoticon_grin.gif" border="0" />

I agree with LilyValentine and mistyladybug: I'm not so keen on this plan - it has massive deflation written all over it, and it's going to make it still harder to do trades involving items. Oh well.

I hope the autopricer limit doesn't go up. Prices deflate so much more quickly. My items above 250k are pretty much staying at the same price.

I hope this "testing" stops soon. Hates deflation

Ugh. I hate this. =[<br />
I finally get some rare items to sell, and then hey just deflate more and more because now people are saying "oh, this item is worth 2 mil, but I want to get rid of it, so I guess I sell for only 1 =")" And then it just goes down hill from there.<br />
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What did you guys think TRADES were for?<br />
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I'm currently waiting for another 'genius' shop limit expansion to 20 million- after all, why use trades if you can stick everything into shops? -__-

I love my autopricer, no matter what its limit. I know that a lot of people are complaining about the fact that the autopricer doesn't go up to a million now...why. Do you really have that many UB's worth 500k to 1 million that its ruffling your feathers that much. Yes you may have 1-100 pages of stuff, but how much of those are items that cannot be priced by the autopricer? It really seems like a trivial thing to be upset about, just my opinion. And if it bothers you just dont put your UB's in there keep using the trades where you have to type your price in anyways.

Were, the problem is the autopricer. Maybe these people are exaggerating a bit, because even if you still have to input the expensive items by hand since the autopricer cannot do it for you, you'd still have a manageable task. But still, the gold account entitles you to use the autopricer, so I'd expect that it gets updated as well. Perhaps it's a really huge job, and the Subeta staff don't want to tinker with it until the testing is over. It would make sense, I'd say.

I see alot of people complaining that they have to go through and price a ton of stuff in their shop now. If you sold these items via the trades, you'd have to price them by hand anyway. So what's the big deal?

I agree with DJ I want the autopricer increased too. It is an enormous task to go through my shop after I have restocked it and hand price items, when I vend I end up with 80+ pages to check through.

I can see how the shop limit is helping the users who aren't able to access their trades to sell their higher items, I'm not complaining about the shop limit or deflation. I'd just like the autopricer to do what I bought it for.

I agree with LilyValentine...

I want the autopricer to price to the highest price like it did when I originally purchased it. If it had only priced up to 25k out of 100k when I got it, I wouldn't have bothered buying it.

DJ - you are still allowed to use the autopricer, and it prices <strong>even higher</strong> than it did when you purchased your gold account. We <strong>increased</strong> your benefits.<br />
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If you would like to price ALL of your items by hand, and not just 250,000sP+ items, you aren't required to purchase a gold account.

I'm not saying it's a challenge that's going to kill me, I'm saying that I bought a GA so I wouldn't have to hand price ANYTHING. Now the GA is worthless since the only benefit I used it for has practically been done away with.

I am prepared for impressive deflation of some of my rarer items. Sigh. Oh well.

Ive seen on more than one occasion where an item is selling on trades for 100k or so, and the only ones in shop are priced at 500k. When questing, this totally sucks especially if there are no users online. I really REALLY wish it would go back to the 250k range, (especially since thats where the Autopricer limit is). <br />
And I agree with DJ. Why pay for my autopricer abilities if I have to handprice my stuff?<br />
And yes, it is easy to go through and check prices (I DO) but for people who have HUGE shops, 12 pages or more, do you realize what a freaking hassle it is for them ???

Everything had already ridiculously inflated anyways. If people arent buying items at the undercut prices, then they arent going to sell. If your not happy with an undercut price, then buy the items up and resell them at a price you think is fair.

Come hand price my shop after I have vended, lets see how people feel about hand pricing then.

Then enjoy pricing over 50 items by hand. If it's so hard to price that small amount- a task that takes little effort- then imagine how much of a hassle it will be to hand price things on your own<br /> I will not buy it if they raise the autopricer limit, as this will cause an even harsher blow to the economy.

If the autopricer isn't updated by next month, I won't.

Well then, it's simple; Don't buy a GA for next month and price everything- above or below the limit- by hand. If you think your rights as a GA holder are being affected by this, then do not buy more.

I'm paying for a GA so I don't have to do it. If I wanted to handprice my items, I wouldn't have gotten a GA in the first place.

Either way, if it's a 15 point wizard token or a... bloodred telenine elixir, undercutting does happen and the autopricer will have the same effect on either or if the limit is raised. That's the point I was trying to make with the tokens.<br /> It isn't so extraordinarily hard to click a few buttons and type in a few numbers. What do you think everyone without a GA does?

Yes, It's not hard to read the autopricer list as you go down, but it is annoying to hand check everything in the shop search to be able to even price your items. And then if you do hand price your items, don't use autopricer because everything will just go back to 0. And I didn't know we were talking about 10k profits with tokens, I was talking about someone putting something worth 5m in their shop for 1m, and then having even more people undercut that. That's the sort of deflation I was talking about, sorry.

-eye twitch- So many TS items will be deflated. -goes to a corner to cry-

Another thing. I myself have noticed with my autopricer a low price on something so I go check it and I was shocked to find that the autopricer actually priced the item a few thousand points below the other persons. I just click on the no change and hand priced it. I just dont see what the fuss is. Some people cannot use trades, so we either have people complaining about no being able to sell their stuff, so the staff trys to find a way to help until they can get trades and forums working right in all the browsers...and we still complain. Nobody is making you sell your stuff for what the next one is. If you think that your item is seriously going to deflate in price, hold on to it UB's will always be worth money, they may go down but they do come back up.

I personally love the deflation going on (even when it affects my own items up for trade). Inflation has been going CRAZY for months on Subeta. What is the point of having something up for trade for an obcenely high price if no one wants to pay that price for the item (even if that's what everyone else has it priced at)? I have always hoped to see a complete end to the shop price limit altogether (both here and on other similar sites). As for trades, yes there is still a point: for actual TRADING (item for item). Buying and selling (for pure) is what I've always felt shops were for. As for auctions, those are supposed to be a way to get quick cash by auctioning for a lower price, in my opinion. So, for whatever my vote is worth: I think this is great! =3

Aargh... deflation kills. The Twilight Montre Plushie has gone from 2,000,000 sP to 450k. <img src="http://images.subeta.org/smilies/6398_emoticon_sad.gif" border="0" /><br />
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On the flip side, you can catch some great bargains if you buy out the undercutters quickly.

Then you should be around at midnight. Some people price their tokens ridiculously low and snag from other shops when they lower their token price so they can sell off the tokens at a higher price<br /> And about being too lazy to check the price on your items... weren't you just complaining about not wanting to price your items by hand? I barely skim through my autopricer and was lucky to catch that an item that goes for 47k had dropped down to 40sp because of one user who had priced their shop before me.

I just wait for everything going back to 100k. Good ol' times...

I like it... minus one thing. <br />
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Undercutters. I don't are about those people who price it 1-100sp below it the ones that go tens of thousands sp below the current going rate.

it is good for the holidays, but there will be massive deflation...

It would take 100,000 people autopricing to deflate something as much as one person hand pricing would. I think I'd rather go with the autopricers deflation. If you're too lazy to check the prices on your UBs when you price them, then expect a few items to be in shops cheap. And I've also never seen a case where someone priced something cheap in their shop with the hopes someone else would autoprice and then snagging it.

I like it trades are a hassle.. esp waiting for the person to get back to you.. I guess I just dont get what the big deal is.. you can still stick your items in trades and wait til this is over to make the amount that you wanted.. or put it in the invy and wait..<br />
let the people who want to make a quick sale.. make it!

I feel I must add my complaint as well. I LOVED the increase to 250, made questing for pete a little easier. When the 500 limit came out, I suffered a lot of loss in pricing, like alot of other subetans. Now, A MILLION??? Thats just insane!!! Please, when you re-consider the shop limit, stick it to 250!!!

*over 250k, sorry.

Blah. PLEASE don't make the limit any higher than this. The deflation kills.

In the long run, if a lot of people keep on lowering it via autopricer, then that 1 sp will eventually accumilate because there's more than one person autopricing less by one per day.<br /> And also, someone could put a 1millsp item in their shop for..... 100-500k in the morning when people usually autoprice, and you have that same item in your shop. Without looking down, you autoprice and the other person snags it and puts it in their shop for 1millsp. Wouldn't that be a problem if autopricer for items over 1mill?

This is stupid as anything.<br />
You're making one of the main advantages of the GA /USELESS/ and thus decreasing the amount of people who will buy GA's from subeta, thus making the site lose money.<br />
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Also, this will make a lot of UB's deflate stupidly by people who a. Don't check what their autopricer is doing, or b. complete n00bs who want to beat everyone else will deflate items by 100k at a time.<br />
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Trades and Auctions are becoming pointless.<br />
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Also, the amount of sP in the system isn't changing at all, what's the point of the experiment?!

Doesn't seem like the best idea to me. An UB now has to be over a mil. with the 100k shop limit, you could sell for the right price, not the price that others make you pay, you can haggle and take items in exchange. much better with the 100k limit, though i suppose i would handle a 250k limit.

I want the 100k limit back!<br />
Or just delete the Trades and stuffs altogether!<br />
-Ish angry-

Autopricer only lowers the price by 1sp. That's a lot less damaging than 50-100k.

And it could be worse. There could be no autopricer and you could have to price EVERYTHING by hand.

Unfortunately, if a lot of people have the autopricer for items that high, the prices will go down much faster.<br /> And I don't think that 'morons' is the best word to use in the situation. I'm sure that since you are complaining about having to lower your prices to match their's, you thus lower your prices as well and continue with the trend<br /> If you want them to sell, price by hand. Things that expensive should NOT be affected by the autopricer.

So then what's the point of the autopricer if you can't use it to PRICE YOUR ITEMS IN YOUR SHOP? I honestly could care less if items under 100k could sell, but I'm tired of pricing 50 ubs everyday because I'm getting undercut 50-100k at a time. Autopricer doesn't cause deflation, morons do.

I'll try it for now. .x.'; Not sure if this will be such a good idea in the long run, but it might be good for selling off a few old items I had sitting around in my vaultt.

just get rid of the tp and auctions all together -=/.

I meant to clarify. i would prefer if the autopricer was brought back down to 100k.

OMG, but I don't think this is good idea <img src="http://images.subeta.org/smilies/6398_emoticon_shocked.gif" border="0" />

I have --no-- problem having items in shops up to 1mil, so long as they have to be hand priced. People undercut in trades, they'll do it in the shops too. everyone just needs to do what they do in trades, leave their prices alone if they feel they've dropped too much. just because the item is in your shop, doesn't mean you have to match the lowest price daily. <img src="http://images.subeta.org/smilies/6398_emoticon_smile.gif" border="0" />

This is pretty cool. ^^ Whoo! Time to sell more UBs I don't need! xD

I feel like I'm being cheated out of my autopricer use. Why would you update the shop limit EVEN MORE without updating autopricer? We pay monthly to use the autopricer, and now we can't take advantage of the new shop limit without hand pricing all of our items above 250k. I honestly don't care about shop limit, but me not being able to use autopricer is starting to piss me off.

This should help reverse the massive inflation awhile back.<br />
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I hope the testing will be over soon, continuous changes are bad for business.

what an AWESOME idea!

I'm fairly new to the site but trades dont work for me IE and auctions either so this is pretty neat i sold some free stuff for good deal<br />
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I don't like this.

I think this is a great idea. I've made a lot of sp with the 500K limit and spent a lot as well buying wishlist items. I'm guessing that items and sp are circulating again rather than just stagnating.

I hope this testing is over soon.<br />
People are still going to under cut more since it's in shops. The trades won't have a use anymore and that's no fun. I REALLY want it to be how it used to be.<br />
100k max in shops.

Woot! Loving it, bring in unlimited shops, with an unlimited autopicer. Let trades be for trading items for items.

Cool. Thanks!

yes. this is 'Super special awesome!'<br />

Isn't that a bit too much? I say that but... I guess if you're raising the limit it's because it's good for the economy . <img src="http://images.subeta.org/smilies/6398_emoticon_grin.gif" border="0" /> I dunno. I'll probably use this to buy items though since I can't do anything in trades...

Great. More deflation and a massive loss of sP. ducks and covers<br />
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I hope this testing is over soon...

I don't think this is a bad idea at all. I mean if you have your item priced in trades for a million or less what are you losing...nothing. Price all your items that are 500-1 million in your trades at 1 million to start with that way if an undercutter comes than you still make points. OR you could just leave your items in trades and hope that they get sold. I mean you don't have to put your items in your shops, nobody is making you. I have items in my trades that I refuse to put in shops because I will not sell mine that cheap. I can wait it out. Everyone is talking about trades, but has anyone stopped to think about the fact that some users cannot even access trades properly right now. So this is a way for users to get things sold. You win some you lose some. Some like it, some don't.

I have to say this is a fantastic idea! It has helped so much in buying and selling items. People doing trades were not flexible enough and not on when you wanted to buy items. This is much, much easier! Thank you, thank you, thank you staff! <img src="http://images.subeta.org/smilies/6398_emoticon_happy.gif" border="0" />

This is a great idea. I'm very much in favor of being able to sell more items quickly; without the hassle of dealing with trades. <img src="http://images.subeta.org/smilies/6398_emoticon_smile.gif" border="0" /> (regardless of inflation / deflation, etc.) Long live convenience! <img src="http://images.subeta.org/smilies/6398_emoticon_raspberry.gif" border="0" />

great idea, thanks. much better than waiting for offers for weeks... and no more annoying withdraws d:

Erk.......not......really a great idea, I don't think. ::prepares for fallout damage and massive deflation::

There's too many UB's on the site. This could only help. Yay for Keith. <img src="http://images.subeta.org/smilies/6398_emoticon_grin.gif" border="0" />

Ehh. I think that having the limit raised is handy, since it's a pain in the you-know-what having a bunch of UBs and trying to sell them, when trades only has a limit of ten lots at a time. So, with the limit raised for shops, I can just put some of those items into my shop now, while keeping the more expensive items still in trades.

don't be too exaggerated guys, its for a short period only feels deflation O.O

BAD idea. still IF you should add the autopricer to the same as the max price in shops. <br />
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SO many items have already deflated x4 or so with the 500k limit

two words... Bad Idea...<br />
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soon we won't have to use trades to sell anything... and no one will accept items...

Im not too happy with this. The majority of things people held dearly as they took ages to get and were priced quite high have already fallen victim to the other limits. But a mill limit is a bit too much ^^ I didnt mind the last limit. Lets hope it doesnt mess everyone up ^^

wow. I don't know if it's good or bad but to try out is amazing.

ya'll are just to awsome subeta! this makes it way eaiser!

Bah-- cant buy from normal shops again..

mweahaha this is going to mess everything up!

this is awesome i have sold alot since the last increase thanks keith

Me too Zib ^^<br />

something's wrong with the shops again...are the codes coming back or something?

I cant wait till it goes back down to just 100,000 max

That's pretty creepy x_x I tried to predict the news yesterday and I predicted that the shops limit would be raised to 1 million. After that I laughed at myself for such a silly thought <img src="http://images.subeta.org/smilies/6398_emoticon_raspberry.gif" border="0" />

i hope this helps me not get fussed at over haveing an item that is in trades i already got fussed at this morning

Hopefully this is only short term though.

Darn, I wish they increased the autopricer. xD

OMGOMGOMG PANDEMONIUM!

Ugh. Okay, hope it works out I guess. ;_;

haha this rules.

Awww....This will make the junk that is already inflated, inflate even more. =(

OMG.

... wow. This just doesn't seem like a good idea to me, but, uh, I guess I'll deal :3

oh, this helps a lot. soon my shop amount will be through the roof OR my bank account will go through the basement.