SOPA
Hi everyone! We usually refrain from posting anything political or US-based on the site, but this is an important one. Right now in the US we are debating a bill called SOPA (Stop Online Piracy Act). This bill would give the government sweeping power to shut down websites that appear to be breaking any copyright.
An example of this would be if a user on Subeta posted a copyright picture, video, or song in the forums, the entire site of Subeta could be shut down until that issue is resolved. Right now, we are simply contacted by the owner and asked to remove the offending post, item, in a way that doesn't impact the rest of the users on Subeta.
Some of my favorite websites (TUMBLR!!!) have already said it would be impossible for them to run under the rules that SOPA sets up, and would most likely have to be shut down or entirely change their services.
Here is an excellent article from Lifehacker that tells you exactly what SOPA is, and what it will do to the sites that you visit daily. here is a site with petitions and other information that will help you contact the appropriate people, should you feel so inclined.
Anyway, thanks for reading! Like I said, I wouldn't post this here if it didn't directly have an impact on the way that we run Subeta, and on the way that the other sites that you visit would also have to change. As always, I suggest you read the bill yourself so you can make an educated choice on how you feel about what it does.
Posted by Keith
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Apollo_954
As long as Subeta is registered under GoDaddy you are supporting SOPA
If by the slightest chance it does pass, the protests will make Occupy Wall Street look like an ant in comparison.
This wouldn't stop people who pirate significantly anyway, no doubt if they can upload programs worth thousands online they can easily find ways against all this and spread it. This bill is ridiculous.
This wouldn't stop people who pirate significantly anyway, no doubt if they can upload programs worth thousands online they can easily find ways against all this and spread it. This bill is ridiculous.
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Maybe I'm misunderstanding, but I think people are making a much bigger deal out of this than it is. I think this act was specifically aimed at "The Pirate Bay", since I remember reading some nasty letters they wrote to people in the United States who were trying to get them shut down, claiming that there was nothing the United States could do because they were in Sweden and were doing nothing illegal since all that was on their site was ones and zeroes (yup, they really stooped that low). No, this might not be the best way to stop them, but it's not by any means going to make your favourite social networks implode.
In section 103, the bill specifies very clearly what it's targeting, which would be a site:
So please do yourself a favour and read (or skim) the act before making any decisions about it. Thanks.
Maybe I'm misunderstanding, but I think people are making a much bigger deal out of this than it is. I think this act was specifically aimed at "The Pirate Bay", since I remember reading some nasty letters they wrote to people in the United States who were trying to get them shut down, claiming that there was nothing the United States could do because they were in Sweden and were doing nothing illegal since all that was on their site was ones and zeroes (yup, they really stooped that low). No, this might not be the best way to stop them, but it's not by any means going to make your favourite social networks implode.
In section 103, the bill specifies very clearly what it's targeting, which would be a site:
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Also, note this line earlier in the act:primarily designed or operated for the purpose of, has only limited purpose or use other than, or is marketed by its operator or another acting in concert with that operator for use in, offering goods or services in a manner that engages in, enables, or facilitates [...] a violation of section 501 [and/or 1201] title 17, United States Code.
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^ That line, just to reiterate, says that domestic sites are already vulnerable under the Lanham Act, whether this passes or not. And the Lanham Act went into effect in 1947.A foreign Internet site or portion thereof is a `foreign infringing site' if [...] the Internet site would, by reason of acts described in paragraph (1), be subject to seizure in the United States in an action brought by the Attorney General if such site were a domestic Internet site.
So please do yourself a favour and read (or skim) the act before making any decisions about it. Thanks.
@Starhowl
Well, the NDAA isn't going to be vetoed, so I'd say that public outrage doesn't really seem to affect anything. Nice to see Subeta spreading awareness, though.
Well, the NDAA isn't going to be vetoed, so I'd say that public outrage doesn't really seem to affect anything. Nice to see Subeta spreading awareness, though.
Already signed this petition. I'm avidly against piracy and copyright infringements, but this is not the way to go.
Not only Subeta, but TUMBLR, Facebook, Youtube, DeviantART, and quite a few others!
But take a look at this, guys: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WJIuYgIvKsc&context=C352b99bADOEgsToPDskL_v934rALof0pDlQFMphdi
Honestly I don't mean to spam, but it would help to spread this around to your friends, your friends' friends, your friends' friends' friends.. Well, you get the idea.
It's amazing what people will do just to get control over the Internet.. sigh
But take a look at this, guys: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WJIuYgIvKsc&context=C352b99bADOEgsToPDskL_v934rALof0pDlQFMphdi
Honestly I don't mean to spam, but it would help to spread this around to your friends, your friends' friends, your friends' friends' friends.. Well, you get the idea.
It's amazing what people will do just to get control over the Internet.. sigh
@Starhowl
I totally and completely agree. Subeta, youtube, wikipedia, tumblr--hell, FACEBOOK!--would all come tumbling down...
I totally and completely agree. Subeta, youtube, wikipedia, tumblr--hell, FACEBOOK!--would all come tumbling down...
Been watching this for months... I have been sending emails to my reps, and signed a petition to stop this on the ACLU website.
Apparently Wikipedia is considering blacking out the whole website over this. One can hope that other large online services will add their piece to the issue, too.
Here's another petition with 1,000,000+ signers. Supposedly they needed 1,500,000, so sign away!
http://www.avaaz.org/en/save_the_internet/?fFMPocb&pv=170
http://www.avaaz.org/en/save_the_internet/?fFMPocb&pv=170
Somehow, I think that it isn't a coincidence that they are gonna vote on it the same week as a bunch of major holidays. : /
Sign the OFFICIAL WHITEHOUSE.GOV SOPA PETITION
https://wwws.whitehouse.gov/petitions/!/petition/veto-sopa-bill-and-any-other-future-bills-threaten-diminish-free-flow-information/g3W1BscR
https://wwws.whitehouse.gov/petitions/!/petition/veto-sopa-bill-and-any-other-future-bills-threaten-diminish-free-flow-information/g3W1BscR
I was wondering when this would be brought up.... I signed this a few weeks ago.
How much you wanna bet that the people who are trying to pass this bill know nothing about how the internet works?
How much you wanna bet that the people who are trying to pass this bill know nothing about how the internet works?
I was never particularly worried about this act. It's too irrational and there's far too much public uproar over it. I knew only a few days in that there was no threat. I knew that if this bill passed at all, there would be revolts that make Occupy Wall Street look like a kindergarten recess.
I didn't know that the whole SOPA thing was still going on. I've heard about it a month ago, but then lost track of the case. I signed the petition of course. I hope that Congress realizes that this bill will destroy the internet, as well as those of us that are fansite owners. Online is the only place I can post up fanart, having that right taken away if sites like Deviantart go down will indeed suck.
I hope this bill doesn't pass. I'm surprised that Subeta didn't post it up sooner. It's been known to most people since the end of October.
I hope this bill doesn't pass. I'm surprised that Subeta didn't post it up sooner. It's been known to most people since the end of October.
Keith
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Haru - This isn't really the place to discuss political leanings or who you support to be president. We were simply pointing out a bill that the majority of the democratic party (And ron paul!) are against and that we, as a company, do not support.
@facebook : They aren't DELETING sites off the internet. At least, not ones that aren't USA-based. They can delete USA based sites but block sites that aren't from their native country by disallowing any IPs within that country access.
I'm pretty sure that's sort of like China's set up. I remember reading about it in Wired. Correct me if I'm wrong please C:
I'm pretty sure that's sort of like China's set up. I remember reading about it in Wired. Correct me if I'm wrong please C:
This is insanely wrong. I really hope more people become aware of this and actively try and stop this from becoming a thing.
There's a well known political site that runs petitions against things like SOPA. It's got a petition (that is going to be sent to congress) that has over a million signatures already. http://www.avaaz.org/en/save_the_internet/?slideshow They're going for a million and a half.
Thank you for posting this Keith!!! Censorship is wrong. We would not be able to do so many things on the internet if this passes. Believe me - everyone in my family with a computer and valid e-mail signed this!
i've been following all sorts of political nonsense this year through demandprogress.org. i know it's already been thrown out there a few times already, but it doesn't hurt to plug it again if it raises more awareness. even if you can't donate money, please sign their petitions, as the names and letters actually DO go to political leaders. as someone already mentioned, it has pushed the hearing on SOPA back until january. the house and the senate might be on winter vacation but those of us who this affects most won't take a break from fighting this ridiculousness. as americans, we need to make our leaders understand that hollywood and big entertainment money cannot take away our freedoms. let your voices be heard!
I just love how any time there's a controversial political decision, all of the negative consequences are the intentional fault of whatever political party or candidate the poster doesn't like.
But I am against this--really, what average American citizen would even want this?
But I am against this--really, what average American citizen would even want this?
Thank you so much Keith for posting this and spreading awareness. Most people I know are completely ignorant about this bill- which is absolutely frightening since it's pretty obvious that it's going to have a huge, negative impact if it is allowed to pass. After hearing of this bill and the Martial Law shit going on in America, I'm becoming ever-fearful of this country. Sigh...
What the?
Most of our current Internet sites would have to be shut down.
This is Unconstitutional, I believe it is effecting some of our first amendment rights, and I also believe it would be giving the Government too much power, which is also unconstitutional in some way, shape or form.
They can't enact this.
Most of our current Internet sites would have to be shut down.
This is Unconstitutional, I believe it is effecting some of our first amendment rights, and I also believe it would be giving the Government too much power, which is also unconstitutional in some way, shape or form.
They can't enact this.
This bill would shut down our Freedom of Speech.
It would be unconstitutional if this bill passed.
It would be unconstitutional if this bill passed.
Starving children and war are second to stupid shit like this. Great job America. Were a bunch of winners.
Thank you for posting this Keith, I am usually against politics on Subeta but this is a huge thing that would affect all of us Subetans.
It really boggles me mind how any of our elected representatives can think that this bill is a Good Idea.
I just hope this isn't a case of "let's try to do something HORRIBLE, so then they'll be grateful and not mind when we do something slightly less HORRIBLE instead!"
It really boggles me mind how any of our elected representatives can think that this bill is a Good Idea.
I just hope this isn't a case of "let's try to do something HORRIBLE, so then they'll be grateful and not mind when we do something slightly less HORRIBLE instead!"
@Expert_Fieldmouse : The balance of power makes sure that one hand does not have any more say over the other...though when some of them get in cahoots with each other, as may be the case now, it can cause a shift that shouldn't exist.
The President CAN veto the bill when it gets to him, but if a 2/3 vote is present by (I don't remember which, someone please correct me if I'm wrong) Congress (?), then they can overturn the Presidents veto. This is to ensure a tyrannical President doesn't just pass bills only he likes, but it can also prevent the President from stopping bills a tyrannical Congress/House/Senate attempt to pass.
So basically, Obama can TRY to stop it, but if they get enough votes, he has no power to stop them once they've stopped his veto.
The President CAN veto the bill when it gets to him, but if a 2/3 vote is present by (I don't remember which, someone please correct me if I'm wrong) Congress (?), then they can overturn the Presidents veto. This is to ensure a tyrannical President doesn't just pass bills only he likes, but it can also prevent the President from stopping bills a tyrannical Congress/House/Senate attempt to pass.
So basically, Obama can TRY to stop it, but if they get enough votes, he has no power to stop them once they've stopped his veto.
Oh my gosh. I posted someone else's photo somewhere because I thought it was awesome.
I obviously ruined someone's life and I have to go to jail now.
I obviously ruined someone's life and I have to go to jail now.
I was wondering when this would be brought up on subeta. Thanks Keith, for raising awareness!!:D
Quite a few representatives in the house actually want to pass this bill. Most of these people either rarely get on the internet or were paid to back up this bill. The few representatives that don't want to pass this bill have been on the internet and know how things work here. This bill will basically kill the internet. I really hope it doesn't pass.>.>
And if it does, I hope there's rioting in the streets. So many people have contacted their state's representatives. SO MANY PEOPLE. If the government ignores peaceful opposition then I can't see any other way to get their attention other than through riots.'^'
Quite a few representatives in the house actually want to pass this bill. Most of these people either rarely get on the internet or were paid to back up this bill. The few representatives that don't want to pass this bill have been on the internet and know how things work here. This bill will basically kill the internet. I really hope it doesn't pass.>.>
And if it does, I hope there's rioting in the streets. So many people have contacted their state's representatives. SO MANY PEOPLE. If the government ignores peaceful opposition then I can't see any other way to get their attention other than through riots.'^'
Siiiiiigggghhhhh. America, you never cease to amaze and depress me.
I live in Canada, and our current PM Stephen Harper seems to be basically in the pockets of big business and not give a shit about the arts. I wonder if he'd be in favour of this bill or not. Sometimes it feels like he just tries to do the thing that will piss off the most people.
It would be nice if we could re-elect the Liberals just so we could have a rest from Harper and experience the polar opposite government for a while.
I do have a question: how much power does congress have in comparison to the president? Does the president make the final decision on bills? If this manages to go through, would Obama be able to stop it, or would it be out of his hands?
I live in Canada, and our current PM Stephen Harper seems to be basically in the pockets of big business and not give a shit about the arts. I wonder if he'd be in favour of this bill or not. Sometimes it feels like he just tries to do the thing that will piss off the most people.
It would be nice if we could re-elect the Liberals just so we could have a rest from Harper and experience the polar opposite government for a while.
I do have a question: how much power does congress have in comparison to the president? Does the president make the final decision on bills? If this manages to go through, would Obama be able to stop it, or would it be out of his hands?
Obama wouldn't pass this if he has any choice in the matter. But like someone pointed out, house rules. There's been tons of things Obama has tried to do to make this a better country, but the dumbarses in the house are always against it then come up with suPer restrictive nonsense.....they who are they party of NO until they come up with a rights oppressing stupid idea.
I don't much like arguing, but I'll put my two cents in about Ron Paul. He does make some good points (his foreign policy is great), but the whole getting rid of medicare and social security thing is pretty intense. Sure, they do need a major re-vamp, but getting rid of them completely? Also, I don't much like the Libertarian idea of non-regulation. I wouldn't like for someone who just got out of prison for manslaughter to own a high powered rifle. Just my thoughts.
Anyway, SOPA is lame. There's no way this could pass. And if it does? Well, get ready for major protests and boycotts.
Anyway, SOPA is lame. There's no way this could pass. And if it does? Well, get ready for major protests and boycotts.
It doesn't matter where in the world you live. This will heavily impact a LOT of popular sites because so many are based in the US, which means internet users around the world will definitely feel the effects of this if it is passed.
Every net user should be aware of this and doing what they can to fight it. Not just those living in the US.
Every net user should be aware of this and doing what they can to fight it. Not just those living in the US.
lol at the person saying Obama should be president
You do realise this shit will pass under him unless he doesn't act, right?
OH, still waiting on why Ron Paul is crazy btw. Guess like everyone else, you don't have any logical reasons.
You do realise this shit will pass under him unless he doesn't act, right?
OH, still waiting on why Ron Paul is crazy btw. Guess like everyone else, you don't have any logical reasons.
I'm in Canada, so I won't be as heavily impacted by this, but this is poop. I hope this doesn't pass.
Have you thought about what this bill will cause?
I see large scale riots if this passed, more hell than just internet war would result.
This would spill out in to the streets...
I see companies using this bill to dominate markets, it's a big spectrum of chaos that very well could happen.
By letting this bill pass they are basically trying to control something they cannot really control.
The internet is a very big, scary and dangerous monster to poke, by trying to control it they are provoking and daring others to do stuff.
Besides, there are ways to get around this and people are creative enough to do it.
So really they are just fueling more creative underground websites.
I support stopping this.
I see large scale riots if this passed, more hell than just internet war would result.
This would spill out in to the streets...
I see companies using this bill to dominate markets, it's a big spectrum of chaos that very well could happen.
By letting this bill pass they are basically trying to control something they cannot really control.
The internet is a very big, scary and dangerous monster to poke, by trying to control it they are provoking and daring others to do stuff.
Besides, there are ways to get around this and people are creative enough to do it.
So really they are just fueling more creative underground websites.
I support stopping this.
HORRIBLE HORRIBLE HORRIBLE.
If this happens, it'll be hard for me to find a job in the future. |:
I've already signed all of the main related petitions.
I hope everybody else does, too.
If this happens, it'll be hard for me to find a job in the future. |:
I've already signed all of the main related petitions.
I hope everybody else does, too.
Wow, you guys are rather LATE getting into the game. I expected you guys to post a notice about a week ago and this has been happening for over a month now.
BTW, they tried holding a secret hearing two days ago but thanks to those at demandprogress.org, they didn't succeed. However, SOPA is only being held off until January, after the winter holidays are over.
BTW, they tried holding a secret hearing two days ago but thanks to those at demandprogress.org, they didn't succeed. However, SOPA is only being held off until January, after the winter holidays are over.
So what do we do? Start a petition? This is crazy since pretty much the ENTIRE internet has copyrighted material on it. Even fan-art is at risk.
I dislike being directly affected by legislation from another jurisdiction with no input from my own whatsoever. Thank you for posting this!
OH CONGRESS, YOU SILLY. Like, EVERY website ever has some form of copyrighted content on it.
Wow.
US you just amaze me.
Somedays I see a light at the end of the Steven Harper tunnel.
Basically they're going to destroy the main reasons why people go online.
Facebook, Tumblr, and Youtube are the three main places you can find everyone.
Places like deviantArt where you post your own art, and Zerochan where people repost fanart, would be totally murdered and shut down.
They'll cause mass protests and basically the population who go online to these places will be MURDERED.
Some days the US just isn't the smartest place at all.
US you just amaze me.
Somedays I see a light at the end of the Steven Harper tunnel.
Basically they're going to destroy the main reasons why people go online.
Facebook, Tumblr, and Youtube are the three main places you can find everyone.
Places like deviantArt where you post your own art, and Zerochan where people repost fanart, would be totally murdered and shut down.
They'll cause mass protests and basically the population who go online to these places will be MURDERED.
Some days the US just isn't the smartest place at all.
Keith, thanks SO much for posting this!!! I've been working tirelessly on this for what seems like forever to get the word out and I really appreciate it! To answer the question of constitutionality, SOPA would amend and bypass the First Amendment's guarantee that American's will have free speech. Already, the current definition of free speech is limited to what you can and cannot do and was set down in 1919 by Supreme Court Justice Oliver Wendell Holmes Jr., who wrote,
"The most stringent protection of free speech would not protect a man in falsely shouting fire in a theater and causing a panic" (Schenck v. United States, 249 U.S. 47, 39 S. Ct. 247, 63 L. Ed. 470 [1919]).
In other words, you are not at liberty to use speech to cause harm or discord on a large public scale.
While this bypasses the First Amendment, it was thought that public safety was more important than civil liberties. Since then, and particularly in the last 30 years, there has been a whittling down of 'free speech and press'. You are not allowed to say anything to another that could be considered a threat, you are not allowed to post/host/link to copyrighted material (a young man was jailed earlier this year by Customs for linking to copyrighted sports material on his website). And the scary thing is that the Fifth Amendment (the right to a trial by jury of peers) is also being bypassed.
I'd also like to note two other things. First, DemandProgress.org is fighting this fight and a great resource, though double check the facts--always check the facts, no matter who gives them to you.
Secondly, Clio, it's easy to bash American policies (especially if you're American and here to suffer the effects), but you might be surprised. Bloomberg, a trusted financial magazine in the US lists the 12 Worst Countries For 'Net Censorship in this order: Burma, China, Cuba, Egypt, Iran, North Korea, Saudi Arabia, Syria, Tunisia, Turkmenistan, Uzbekistan, and Vietnam. You can find articles on this through Google also and Wikipedia.
Get out and register then vote folks. The RIAA has the power to purchase votes. Obviously, look at YouTube with it's "You Can't View This Video In Your Country Because It's Blocked" pages. I've seen it for everything from Linkin Park to Looney Tunes searches. But the neat thing about the US is that we're a democratic society, our votes CAN make a difference. That means YOUR votes WILL make a difference. Also, calling your local representatives and telling them to boycott this really bad idea is always helpful.
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"The most stringent protection of free speech would not protect a man in falsely shouting fire in a theater and causing a panic" (Schenck v. United States, 249 U.S. 47, 39 S. Ct. 247, 63 L. Ed. 470 [1919]).
In other words, you are not at liberty to use speech to cause harm or discord on a large public scale.
While this bypasses the First Amendment, it was thought that public safety was more important than civil liberties. Since then, and particularly in the last 30 years, there has been a whittling down of 'free speech and press'. You are not allowed to say anything to another that could be considered a threat, you are not allowed to post/host/link to copyrighted material (a young man was jailed earlier this year by Customs for linking to copyrighted sports material on his website). And the scary thing is that the Fifth Amendment (the right to a trial by jury of peers) is also being bypassed.
I'd also like to note two other things. First, DemandProgress.org is fighting this fight and a great resource, though double check the facts--always check the facts, no matter who gives them to you.
Secondly, Clio, it's easy to bash American policies (especially if you're American and here to suffer the effects), but you might be surprised. Bloomberg, a trusted financial magazine in the US lists the 12 Worst Countries For 'Net Censorship in this order: Burma, China, Cuba, Egypt, Iran, North Korea, Saudi Arabia, Syria, Tunisia, Turkmenistan, Uzbekistan, and Vietnam. You can find articles on this through Google also and Wikipedia.
Get out and register then vote folks. The RIAA has the power to purchase votes. Obviously, look at YouTube with it's "You Can't View This Video In Your Country Because It's Blocked" pages. I've seen it for everything from Linkin Park to Looney Tunes searches. But the neat thing about the US is that we're a democratic society, our votes CAN make a difference. That means YOUR votes WILL make a difference. Also, calling your local representatives and telling them to boycott this really bad idea is always helpful.
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Freaking republicans.
Ed Shultz for president!
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Or Obama!
The rest of these jokers would be like engulfing America in a bowel of jello then microwaving it.
This bill better not be passed, period.
Ed Shultz for president!
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Or Obama!
The rest of these jokers would be like engulfing America in a bowel of jello then microwaving it.
This bill better not be passed, period.
It says in the bill that the first amendment trumps the bill, it can not be used to silence the press on be used against freedom of speech...not that I am for the bill I just wanted that point to be clear since it seems to be a point of confusion
Thank-you for allowing us to be aware of this bill. I have signed the petition, as I feel it is very important. Something like this would ruin a lot of things on the internet for me. Including Subeta. I think a lot of others should be signing as well... Absolutely ridiculous that a bill like this would be passed.
Normally I would also be against political posts by you @Keith. But in this case, I am all for it. I have been an opponent of SOPA since its inception. Such a horrible, horrible act, that would shut down a lot more than just the few things we think about off-hand.
Facebook would be subject. Just about every online game in the history of online gaming would be subject. Youtube would be subject. This is bad. BAD.
Love, Keith, for spreading this amongst the younger folk.
Facebook would be subject. Just about every online game in the history of online gaming would be subject. Youtube would be subject. This is bad. BAD.
Love, Keith, for spreading this amongst the younger folk.
Also, and I don't mean to be the Debbie Downer on this, because I absolutely advocate taking a stance, using your voice, and trying to be heard about this....but I don't really think online petitions work. As a member of an area going through a bit of political upheaval right now, I can tell you that the actual SIGNED petitions that are gathered (which I will tell you carry much more weight than a zillion e-signatures that can be made up at will) have to be counted, and the names cross checked against those who can even vote/would have voted in the first place (old enough, from the affected country/area, etc). Thus in the end a lot of those good-hearted people aren't heard, and the petition was carrying a lot of dead weight on it.
Like I said, I don't want to stop ANYONE from getting out there and trying to be heard about this bill. I talk to everyone I know to educate them and get them to have a voice. But signing a petition and saying "done for the day", or signing a petition when you full well know if they actually checked the list you couldn't be counted due to your region, or signing it more than once, just bogs the whole thing down and makes it look like a joke to those who would inevitably go through it. Do what you need to do, but I encourage everyone to find more ways to raise their voice beyond a piece of paper/HTML script they put their name on.
Even just actually talking to your friends face to face can make all that difference. You never know. C:
Like I said, I don't want to stop ANYONE from getting out there and trying to be heard about this bill. I talk to everyone I know to educate them and get them to have a voice. But signing a petition and saying "done for the day", or signing a petition when you full well know if they actually checked the list you couldn't be counted due to your region, or signing it more than once, just bogs the whole thing down and makes it look like a joke to those who would inevitably go through it. Do what you need to do, but I encourage everyone to find more ways to raise their voice beyond a piece of paper/HTML script they put their name on.
Even just actually talking to your friends face to face can make all that difference. You never know. C:
@Cepheus There hasn't been a vote on the bill yet. Last week there were hearings about it, but they're postponing the vote until Congress resumes after winter break.
This bill is so upsetting. I feel it infringes upon our freedom and gives too much power to the goverment to censor. Why do I feel we are becoming like China.
And it affects non-US citizens, too, because the US can get your butt dragged here so they can bring you to trial. :|
You know what's funny? The companies who support the bill are companies that distributed the file sharing/pirating software to begin with. ;)
Good job.
You know what's funny? The companies who support the bill are companies that distributed the file sharing/pirating software to begin with. ;)
Good job.
This bill wasn't even originally made FOR piracy - they want to stop WikiLeaks and this was the bright idea of how to do it. -_- Then they decided 'OH IF WE ROLL TORRENTS AND COPYRIGHT IN THAT WILL GET IT PASSED QUICKER'. Thus a broad, overarching bill that shouldn't have the spectrum of capability it does.
I had a friend who was worried about the government getting paid off by companies to take down other competitor's websites; Coke saying Pepsi "defamed" them or something like that in order to take Pepsi down and go into more consumer power. And while that's a possibility, that's not even at the forefront. Given that the bill is made for taking down WikiLeaks, the scope of that hand could spread to personal political statements that might be deemed "defamation of character". A whole site could go down for one political remark they may not even be aware their users/contributors made. THAT's the big worry underneath the first wave (copyright) that I'm seeing. x_x;
I inform all the people I know about it in conversation. I figure speaking to them about the issue might help them find a voice as well.
I had a friend who was worried about the government getting paid off by companies to take down other competitor's websites; Coke saying Pepsi "defamed" them or something like that in order to take Pepsi down and go into more consumer power. And while that's a possibility, that's not even at the forefront. Given that the bill is made for taking down WikiLeaks, the scope of that hand could spread to personal political statements that might be deemed "defamation of character". A whole site could go down for one political remark they may not even be aware their users/contributors made. THAT's the big worry underneath the first wave (copyright) that I'm seeing. x_x;
I inform all the people I know about it in conversation. I figure speaking to them about the issue might help them find a voice as well.
There's a whole forum dedicated to this ongoing ordeal on reddit, with up-to-date information and discussion. It's really great for getting information on what's currently happening.
This bill is too broad and too blind when making judgments - so it really needs to be stopped.
But it's not trying to take away anyone's 'freedom of speech'. We /don't/ have the god given right to steal other peoples intellectual property. It's trying to stop piracy but it's doing a really bad job of it.
But it's not trying to take away anyone's 'freedom of speech'. We /don't/ have the god given right to steal other peoples intellectual property. It's trying to stop piracy but it's doing a really bad job of it.
BTW,lots of people are saying it's unconstitutional-which it IS,but so is the U.S. income tax but if you owe it and don't pay the gov will still come after you like a rabid pitbull...if you don't believe me about the income tax do some research,you'll see....
I don't see this coming close to passing. Goodness knows what hell 4chan would bring upon anyone who tried to tread upon their domain.
How is a world without Facebook a _bad_ thing?
(I AM KIDDING. Don't get your manes in a tangle.)
(I AM KIDDING. Don't get your manes in a tangle.)
Thank you for the heads-up! New definition for Hypocrisy-U.S. politicians come up with this maelstrom of feces after condemning the restrictive Internet policies of countries like China.
I'm pretty sure it didn't pass, guys. They were going over the votes about a week ago, and tumblr is still up.
Anyways, like many users have said, it's unconstitutional; it goes against the first amendment. It's going against freedom of speech, freedom of the press... The whole shabang. Obama himself said that he would veto the bill; but even then, congress needs 2/3rd votes to pass it.
But I highly doubt it will pass. It's a load of bullcrap and if it's passed, words cannot describe how many riots will break out.
Anyways, like many users have said, it's unconstitutional; it goes against the first amendment. It's going against freedom of speech, freedom of the press... The whole shabang. Obama himself said that he would veto the bill; but even then, congress needs 2/3rd votes to pass it.
But I highly doubt it will pass. It's a load of bullcrap and if it's passed, words cannot describe how many riots will break out.
Hell i understand 1/4 of thing, i got a bit of lucky of dont still on US is not a offense i mean XDD looks too weird the thing and too much complicated ._. anyway i dont know thats remember me to other thing, but is not the same >.< but...gosh! what a complicated >.>
This has to be unconstitutional. We're going over the Constitution in school, and this has to be going against the Constitution. Probably the first amendment.
I just signed the petition myself :P I don't care if I'm a Canadian anymore XD I want my voice heard just as much as anyone else does :P I have family in America. I'm still trying to get my Mom to reinstate her American citizenship so that I can become dual. I feel connected to the States just as much as any official American citizen does :P
I've been hearing so much about SOPA. I signed a petition and contacted my local rep who is on the committee for the bill. So I really hope that it doesn't pass, there are a LOT of people, including placed like Google and Wikipedia, that don't want this passed.
You know if the bill does (Which it won't) get passed, the gov will have billions of people in protest. Which won't be good at all.
@TestName
I signed up on that site you posted :P I needed a zip code so I used 12345 (I'm a Canadian Citizen)...and it worked! LOL! XD
I signed up on that site you posted :P I needed a zip code so I used 12345 (I'm a Canadian Citizen)...and it worked! LOL! XD
I know Some online games like WoW would be messed with too with all their soooooo obvious camio apperances. Why does the goverment think they gotta control everything?
Theres a lot like this happening atm I guess. Signed. I just don't argue about things like that if it could or not become real. So I just help. And I'm from Germany btw.
Thank you for posting this! We can't be complacent and let them pass this outrageously unenforceable bill.
Thank you so much for bringing attention to this, Keith. I'd also like to point out stopcensorship.org, where Senator Ron Wyden is collecting names to read aloud for a filibuster if this thing goes to vote.
The solution.... have Sagittarius buy a two-thirds majority of congress and the senate :D Seriously this is censorship and unconstitutional, if it does pass the ALCU should have a field day.
Piracy issues yes, but what if ALL sites effected by the passing of this bill were to file a class action suit for restitution of lost revenues ??? This is the scenario we need to impress upon the legislature.
Also--anyone who uploads public domain stuff to youtube only to have some low end media group scream copyright infringement falsely should fight it. These sleazeballs do not deserve free advertising.
Piracy issues yes, but what if ALL sites effected by the passing of this bill were to file a class action suit for restitution of lost revenues ??? This is the scenario we need to impress upon the legislature.
Also--anyone who uploads public domain stuff to youtube only to have some low end media group scream copyright infringement falsely should fight it. These sleazeballs do not deserve free advertising.
This is completely fucked up! Since I'm not an American citizen, there's nothing I could do to try and speak against this shit! GUYS - IF YOU'RE AN AMERICAN CITIZEN AND AGAINST THIS, SPEAK UP ABOUT THIS!!!! Write in and try to oppse this bill!!!! Otherwise, the internet as we know it will be destroyed XS
do any of you know how long this has been trying to be passed? it's just now being known publicly, they're not going to do it.
I heard about this, thanks for spreading awareness!
I really still don't see how this could be passed.
I really still don't see how this could be passed.
Oh nevermind.. I feel like a dumbass. You were talking about Ron Paul- Obama did something similar. xD I definitely support Ron Paul 100% but I doubt he'll get elected.
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Wrong.. he lied and said he would veto the National Defense Authorization Act. Maybe it's not a "big deal" because it's only one thing.. but it really IS a big deal. He's obviously continuing Bush's BS. I no longer support him and I'm pretty sure he screwed his chances on getting reelected. Hopefully we'll have a more competent and honest President come next election, but I doubt it.So he stormed off the set of one interview, big fucking deal. Atleast he hasn't lied about millions of things. I find lying about my support or dissupport on certain stances more "unpresident like" than leaving an interview after being hounded multiple times after giving the same answer.
I've heard about this. I've blown it UP. I'll be nagging all of my friends to protest along with me.. verry soon. :)
You get people from all walks of the internet who show up at discussions (many of the websites I frequent have made announcements just like this to raise awareness) and go "You guys are so stupid for thinking this will have an impact! They won't be able to do any of those things.". Come on. Really? Top tech officials from sites like Google and Yahoo are stepping forward to voice their opposition. You think they were just out for an evening stroll and thought they'd make a casual remark? Why would they get involved if this wasn't a completely real, legitimate concern? Why would Subeta? Either the people saying things like that don't understand the bill themselves (which is likely, because it's intentionally ambiguous) or they're very, very naive.
And slightly-off topic, but I have heaps of admiration at how Keith handles things like this. It's very well managed, and I don't know if I've ever seen a website run with such general levelheadedness and attention to the user base. It's funny, because sometimes I look at website like Neopets, and it's literally like Subeta took a list of ALL theirs flaws (their many, many flaws) and went "Yeah, let's not do that.".
And slightly-off topic, but I have heaps of admiration at how Keith handles things like this. It's very well managed, and I don't know if I've ever seen a website run with such general levelheadedness and attention to the user base. It's funny, because sometimes I look at website like Neopets, and it's literally like Subeta took a list of ALL theirs flaws (their many, many flaws) and went "Yeah, let's not do that.".
Todays world is all about spinning copyright like it or not. Everything is at one point in time someone elses idea. It can't be helped. That's like Lion King that Disney made ripping off a famous Japan story. Yet they benefit millions even billions of dollars selling off merchandise and w/e else Disney feels they want to toss out. The internet is a breeding ground for ideas and advertisement. If I want to do Disney fanart now, I can lose my website because even tho I posted it's a Disney character but the art is from me, it's considered breaking copyright laws. Internet would crash if this passes. ( I would be shocked if it doesn't looking at how the politicians have managed to screw up everything else. ) They don't care if it passes or not. Half of them deadbeats are sitting on death row just biding their time till they pass on. Most of which don't know a lick about internet let alone how to turn a computer on. It shows just by how they would even suggest this bill. Elections don't really matter to them, they don't see the need to fear the younger generations. They are already as I said before on the verge of crossing over the hill, with enough money to live out the last of their life comfortably.
I have already signed a petition dealing with this overblown situation - before I had actually read the bill. What a dumb idea that was.
If you are an American, please sign for this petition.
https://wwws.whitehouse.gov/petitions/!/petition/veto-sopa-bill-and-any-other-future-bills-threaten-diminish-free-flow-information/g3W1BscR#thank-you=p
https://wwws.whitehouse.gov/petitions/!/petition/veto-sopa-bill-and-any-other-future-bills-threaten-diminish-free-flow-information/g3W1BscR#thank-you=p
This won't fly. 95% of the internet would be wiped out. ^^;
A little worried that this was just now mentioned though. Heard about it over a month ago.
A little worried that this was just now mentioned though. Heard about it over a month ago.
Side-note: if I believed SOPA would destroy the internet, I would be pissed. It's one of the ways I talk to people I am friends with, go on Suebta, check out Pixiv (mostly the R-18 pictures - suck on that, deviantART, with your dumb no porn policies), go on the Chans, use Yahoo! Messenger, etc. I live and breathe the damn internet. I'd be lost without it.
I'm still waiting on if that's the only reason he's "crazy."
If that's the only thing you've got I can't help but find fallacy in your logic.
So he stormed off the set of one interview, big fucking deal. Atleast he hasn't lied about millions of things. I find lying about my support or dissupport on certain stances more "unpresident like" than leaving an interview after being hounded multiple times after giving the same answer.
If that's the only thing you've got I can't help but find fallacy in your logic.
So he stormed off the set of one interview, big fucking deal. Atleast he hasn't lied about millions of things. I find lying about my support or dissupport on certain stances more "unpresident like" than leaving an interview after being hounded multiple times after giving the same answer.
Hey, good thing you're not in the White House, then! To be a President, you have to learn to not run and hide over those questions (why Palin can never ever be President - among other HUGE lapses in her judgement). It wasn't like the newsletter was headed by some random kook; it was headed by RON PAUL HIMSELF. The hell does he get off saying 'lol I never read it'?? I don't want him in charge of the country if he's as unreliable as the current people in charge (that includes all of the legislators in the House and Senate, too, not just the President).
Is that the only reason you have for him being "crazy?"
I saw the video, I read the article. If I was being hounded so much I would've stormed off too.
Romney as president? God fucking save us all.
I saw the video, I read the article. If I was being hounded so much I would've stormed off too.
Romney as president? God fucking save us all.
Because Ron Paul, while a respected doctor, is crazy. Come on, look at what he did at CNN during an interview. He got pissed-off and took his mic off and left the interview. That's just rude and doesn't seem too presidential. Throwing a hissy fit over legitimate questions - about your own damn newsletter (anti-gay, racist, anti-MLK Jr., anti-Semitic, etc.) - is stupid.
Lol, don't ask me who the hell will be the next president, but it won't be him or Newt or Perry...or Bachmann or Santorum. Probably Romney.
Lol, don't ask me who the hell will be the next president, but it won't be him or Newt or Perry...or Bachmann or Santorum. Probably Romney.
What does that have to do with anything? It's neither here nor there. Both sides are going batshit crazy over this 'supposed' censorship bill. Censorship is a big issue with Libertarians (I lean more towards there), so, I'm more surprised if this 'supposed' censorship bill is real, why they aren't coming out against it. No, please don't mention Ron Paul.
Any social networking site is screwed, anysite where users can upload content is screwed.. cause if one user uploads a copy written image, song, or whatever else there might be BOOM site goes.. the bill is insane.
They are going to. That entire bill was about pirating.
It won't happen. They scared Tumblr weeks ago with the bill and it's still up and running.
It won't happen. They scared Tumblr weeks ago with the bill and it's still up and running.
Hohohoho you are holding a shield don't you like all our snowballs .... I love a good snowball fight. Happy Lumineve Kieth and staff. I will read!
Please tell me you're joking. SOPA will not shut down the internet. God, none of you have read it.
Those infernal little shits have gone too far.
Anonymous has even posed videos, even if they're not as active and threatening as they used to be.
This must be denied! This is one of the dumbest things that the US government has done, and they CLEARLY have jumped the gun and have not read through the concequesnces.
As on YouTuber had said:
"Shut down the internet, and you have a whole Generation against you."
I've done nearly everything that I can do. I've signed every petition around. Now we just wait...
Anonymous has even posed videos, even if they're not as active and threatening as they used to be.
This must be denied! This is one of the dumbest things that the US government has done, and they CLEARLY have jumped the gun and have not read through the concequesnces.
As on YouTuber had said:
"Shut down the internet, and you have a whole Generation against you."
I've done nearly everything that I can do. I've signed every petition around. Now we just wait...
I always found if you put a song on your profile it would actually help companies. I know i wouldn't have found many songs if it weren't for some of my friends. The fact that it doesnt actually stop piracy is what gets me. And it also goes against our right of speech and expression. It would take down fan videos and I also heard fan ART.
I cant apparently draw my favorite characters anymore or else i shut a whole site down. Good job government. You managed to make the 99% even more unhappy then we were before. Wile stuffing your faces with the endorsements you are getting from Hollywood.
I cant apparently draw my favorite characters anymore or else i shut a whole site down. Good job government. You managed to make the 99% even more unhappy then we were before. Wile stuffing your faces with the endorsements you are getting from Hollywood.
I'm so scared that it's going to pass. :c
It turns out a lot of the sites that support it, though, used to support the same copyright-infringing software we used, like Limewire.
It turns out a lot of the sites that support it, though, used to support the same copyright-infringing software we used, like Limewire.
Government is making this world less fun.I understand not being able to resell the videos for money or claim them as your own, but come on some people just put a song on their profile cause it matches their layout.I certainly am not posting my family's christmas party for subeta to see.
Thank you for bringing this to our attention Keith. This would mean certain sites I visit would be shut down because having anime shows or even fan based sites for bands I listen to. I think this would also only give more power to the copyright trolls out there sue and get even richer!
Oh, you infernal shits, you're ruining our country.
Just one more reason why I'm beginning to hate my government.
Just one more reason why I'm beginning to hate my government.
Thank you for spreading awareness and providing necessary information. I've been trying to find the actual bill for a while now so this is really useful. Let's hope that we all make it through this. Good luck everyone and especially good luck to you Keith and staff!
Sometimes the US take things too far! That country never ceases to surprise me xD
Just out of curiosity: if Subeta could be changed to a European-based website, would it be safe from this law? In Europe we are a bit crazy too, but at least right now we are too busy trying to get out of the current economic crisis to even thing about internet policies.
Just out of curiosity: if Subeta could be changed to a European-based website, would it be safe from this law? In Europe we are a bit crazy too, but at least right now we are too busy trying to get out of the current economic crisis to even thing about internet policies.
The president has already said that if this bill makes it up to his level then he would shut it down and it would never pass.
Horrible! How could someone even make this? Without subeta I don't know what I'll do since I spend half of my time on here. Somehow I know it won't be passed since a lot of people would be upset about it.
Do they think this is going to help anything? Who is going to pay for internet if all they can do is visit corporate websites? I certainly won't. I also won't be posting for internet access on my phone. I thought that they were trying to get people to consume, not encouraging then to cancel services...
I am sorry, from what I understand this whole thing is ridiculous. It just can't be passed. Wouldn't that be like the end of the internet?
cuddles Dilandau and -Megamind- Don't make them take my babies!
(I never claimed to own them, they are pets DEDICATED to the characters.)
cuddles Dilandau and -Megamind- Don't make them take my babies!
(I never claimed to own them, they are pets DEDICATED to the characters.)
sent. Geeze lets just take our freedom away on the net now. Good grief. I can understand copy right material. Been that way for years but really?
It kinda annoys me that the US get to make laws that affect other countries. We don't get a say in what laws you pass yet we have to live by them.
EVERYONE: Make sure that you at least send an e-mail to congress. This is an abomination and this bill needs to be destroyed. Link on Facebook also to spread awareness. This needs to be stopped. Its foolish and it will destroy our economy even more.
this makes being an american embarrassing, i truly hope this bill does not pass, and id love to say more and rant about it but my keyboard is half broken so it makes me look illiterate. [insert blushing face]
That's just ridiculous. I find it, in a way, amusing. I mean, seriously? When the resources could be put to better use, uhh... I dunno, like say, help decrease poverty level, they decided to go "Hey, lets jail everyone for downloading" when they're the ones who provided it in the first place? I means, seriously, if you go on MSN etc and you saw all those advertisement links, majority of them happens to be links to download links or P2P programs. To be honest, I find this step to be way worse that North Korea approach to regulate their internet access. The world kept going and making a big deal out of it when the North Koreans somehow deal with it. So, I do find it to be offensive when people kept bringing NK and comparing NK government to SOPA Act. It's different, way different in so many levels. For starters, most SOPA supporters, well, it was apparent on how they're a bunch of hypocrite. Oh well, that's how the rich gets richer. Trample on the little people...
lol Gray. But yeah I gave that a thought too. Hmmm.
also those people don't have common sense. I accept the right to express oneself but not your shitty bills.
also those people don't have common sense. I accept the right to express oneself but not your shitty bills.
"Sopa" is a Swedish word. It means "trash" - literally. I see a link there.
And I wouldn't put anything past the US. Common sense does not apply in congress.
And I wouldn't put anything past the US. Common sense does not apply in congress.
I do like the fact the government is seemingly more concerned about piracy rather than child pornography and identity theft and financial fraud and other cybersecurity issues that one would think would take precedent over rich people getting more money... 8/
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@Madzs
There are also a couple of countries in the Middle East who run that way, or similarly, then there's Burma/Myanmar which has a very strict intranet (not to mention almost everything else is controlled by the military regime) - but I guess it'll always be North Korea which would get the "spotlight", since Burmese governance is even more secretive and brutal in certain extents. In North Korea, certain sites can be requested to be added in the intranet if it passes the regulatory commissions. The Burmese intranet doesn't even make this possible at all.
There are also a couple of countries in the Middle East who run that way, or similarly, then there's Burma/Myanmar which has a very strict intranet (not to mention almost everything else is controlled by the military regime) - but I guess it'll always be North Korea which would get the "spotlight", since Burmese governance is even more secretive and brutal in certain extents. In North Korea, certain sites can be requested to be added in the intranet if it passes the regulatory commissions. The Burmese intranet doesn't even make this possible at all.
I sincerely hope this doesn't get passed. While I'm not usually one to get involved with politics, I'll definitely be calling my local representation and signing as many petitions as I can find on the matter.
I am really hoping someone will have some sense and realize who the supporters of this bill is and not vote it into law.
The people who write (and then pass) these things seriously have no idea how the world works other than in their elitist circle. They don't understand what is it like to be poor, they don't understand what it is like to be middle class, even, and they sure as hell don't understand how the internet works.
Wow. D: I know that piracy is pretty bad all over the world, but banning ANYTHING copyright-related on a non-related site is just outright anal. I consider piracy to be downloading hacked movies or art programs, which could be addressed much more efficiently than this, NOT posting a picture of Stitch from "Lilo and Stitch" on my profile. Who is it hurting if I want a picture of my favorite cartoon alien on my profile? I'm not claiming to have invented him and I'm not even making a profit off of him being there. It's so stupid. First we're not allowed to bring Disney movies to school or to our friends' house to enjoy, and now this. Can I even utter the name of Stitch without the heavy hand of government coming down to smack me on my tender little head? Why don't they just copyright everything blue, for crying out loud.
PS: I know that the bill isn't solely addressing Disney property, but it just seemed like a fitting, if narrow, example to use in my rant.
PS: I know that the bill isn't solely addressing Disney property, but it just seemed like a fitting, if narrow, example to use in my rant.
The fact that the SOPA will categorize the streaming of copyrighted content as a felony is ridiculous and either impractically costly or thoroughly unenforceable. I've ranted so long and hard about this on my tumblr. Thanks for posting this, Keith.
If they accept this, we can say bye-bye to the whole internet and that would affect EVERYONE, not only USA.
What about the sheer amount of people that will make false claims out of spite to get sites shut down - tons of money it'll cost for the manpower and resources we DO NOT have in our budget as it is!! Not to mention the fiscal impact it would make on businesses to have their sites shut down randomly.
I signed the petition. I'm not from the US and it feels like I can't do much about this but I will do what I can.
LucaAlverez is completely right.
The only country that I am aware of that regulates the internet is North Korea, and, well... look how well they function as a country.
I'm not American, but this is relevant to me and many others that do not live in America as many popular sites run out of the US.
Give me every petition you got.
The only country that I am aware of that regulates the internet is North Korea, and, well... look how well they function as a country.
I'm not American, but this is relevant to me and many others that do not live in America as many popular sites run out of the US.
Give me every petition you got.
Thank you for posting this Keith... just shows how much the government wants control over something they can't. Even if this bill is past I guarantee people will find ways around it.
I love how if you read the bill one of the first things you see is "Nothing in this Act shall be construed to impose a prior restraint on free speech..." contradiction much?
I love how if you read the bill one of the first things you see is "Nothing in this Act shall be construed to impose a prior restraint on free speech..." contradiction much?
This is a great video about it:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WJIuYgIvKsc
It's amazing the stuff you find out sometimes.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WJIuYgIvKsc
It's amazing the stuff you find out sometimes.
Well the only thing I could think would be to move the site and all its server to somewhere where you can use it and not be stopped by bigoted bill-voters D:
I really hope for the world's sake they vote no, regardless if they read petitions or not. Also, who in their healthy mind comes up with this D:
I really hope for the world's sake they vote no, regardless if they read petitions or not. Also, who in their healthy mind comes up with this D:
Seconding LucaAlverez's comment on information for non-Americans and how they can help with this. :(
I've tried to search on things, but it seems there is not much interest/concern here in Asia in particular. :/
I've tried to search on things, but it seems there is not much interest/concern here in Asia in particular. :/
Ahh well done America. Most 'big' sites are American. I'm British and I don't want to be affected by American bills when we have our own to worry about in this country - like the stupidly high rise in tuition fees (thank god for grants). Without a doubt, Youtube would be shut down, tonnes of social networking sites would probably be shut down and it's even going to extend here? Does 'world wide web' mean nothing to congress? This is actually insane...
I just read an article that some legislator said that petition votes don't count because this bill only directs to non-american copyright thiefs...
Yeah doesn't make sense either. If a petition has enough votes/names, it has to be taken seriously. This also just proves that the legislators don't understand their own bill or how their own government works. That is a scary thought in the matter.
If this goes through, the internet will be no more, though I highly doubt this will ever happen for the mass protests that will happen world wide.
I use youtube to find new artist/bands, but because those are copyrighted, youtube will be such down.
Another way to explain the outrageous bill is like this;
Lets say you get into a car crash with another person. The car they are driving is a honda. Because they were driving a honda, that whole company gets shut down.
The bill wants to punish the whole website because of the acts of a handful of people that abuse the very few and simple rules to uphold by.
Not fair at all.
Yeah doesn't make sense either. If a petition has enough votes/names, it has to be taken seriously. This also just proves that the legislators don't understand their own bill or how their own government works. That is a scary thought in the matter.
If this goes through, the internet will be no more, though I highly doubt this will ever happen for the mass protests that will happen world wide.
I use youtube to find new artist/bands, but because those are copyrighted, youtube will be such down.
Another way to explain the outrageous bill is like this;
Lets say you get into a car crash with another person. The car they are driving is a honda. Because they were driving a honda, that whole company gets shut down.
The bill wants to punish the whole website because of the acts of a handful of people that abuse the very few and simple rules to uphold by.
Not fair at all.
@Jinjah
That's assuming the people debating have any actual interest in the bill and what it really entails, which is unfortunately not the case. About a handful of the representatives really seem to understand what this bill is all about and the negative consequences, but that's about it. I'm not even kidding when I say one of them debated against having experts brought because it would muddy the issue; when they themselves don't even seem to understand basic things that are being presented in this bill. The chairman himself appears to be completely in favour of driving this thing through, and apparently a good number of amendments suggested to make the bill less harsh have been shot down. I've been watching these debates live, and honestly it's quite appalling.
That's assuming the people debating have any actual interest in the bill and what it really entails, which is unfortunately not the case. About a handful of the representatives really seem to understand what this bill is all about and the negative consequences, but that's about it. I'm not even kidding when I say one of them debated against having experts brought because it would muddy the issue; when they themselves don't even seem to understand basic things that are being presented in this bill. The chairman himself appears to be completely in favour of driving this thing through, and apparently a good number of amendments suggested to make the bill less harsh have been shot down. I've been watching these debates live, and honestly it's quite appalling.
I don't live in the US, but the ties between the country I live in and the US (blatant and clandestine) may actually affect legislation here, and SOPA may thus be also put in effect. I don't know about my other roots where I can possibly run if SOPA will be passed here *coughSpaincough*, but I've been spreading word where I can. People here aren't alarmed though, and they say I'm being brainwashed by American propaganda.
Subeta IS however, a US-based site, and news of SOPA has been circulating around tumblr. However, I know that a lot of netizens in Asia like me probably aren't very aware about the consequences that this bill may bring about.
I wish there was a way I could actually help out and stop the bill. For the record, if it gets passed here, or if they think about it, I will seriously be going out in the streets.
Nonetheless, even if I only know a little bit about American legislation and constitution, from what I have learned in class, SOPA isn't quite a constitutional move. It's also illegal according to the laws and constitutions of various other countries.
With how many people in this place who would want to copy the US in every way and form, I'm alarmed that it might spread through other parts of the globe as well. True, the masses can oppose it here, but the government never listens to the masses anyway.
I have been talking about this with other people, and their main theory is that US-based sites who would be otherwise closed down due to the bill may not have to close or change their services if they're hosted on a country in which the SOPA or any similar bills wouldn't take effect. Yes, it will cost a bit more for Subeta and many other sites, but possibly this can be considered?
I think a small and bad country like mine can't really help the American citizens in a more tangible way against this bill, given that we depend on the US too much. OR, is it actually possible for a non-US citizen/national to petition to Congress as well?
Subeta IS however, a US-based site, and news of SOPA has been circulating around tumblr. However, I know that a lot of netizens in Asia like me probably aren't very aware about the consequences that this bill may bring about.
I wish there was a way I could actually help out and stop the bill. For the record, if it gets passed here, or if they think about it, I will seriously be going out in the streets.
Nonetheless, even if I only know a little bit about American legislation and constitution, from what I have learned in class, SOPA isn't quite a constitutional move. It's also illegal according to the laws and constitutions of various other countries.
With how many people in this place who would want to copy the US in every way and form, I'm alarmed that it might spread through other parts of the globe as well. True, the masses can oppose it here, but the government never listens to the masses anyway.
I have been talking about this with other people, and their main theory is that US-based sites who would be otherwise closed down due to the bill may not have to close or change their services if they're hosted on a country in which the SOPA or any similar bills wouldn't take effect. Yes, it will cost a bit more for Subeta and many other sites, but possibly this can be considered?
I think a small and bad country like mine can't really help the American citizens in a more tangible way against this bill, given that we depend on the US too much. OR, is it actually possible for a non-US citizen/national to petition to Congress as well?
Is it an option to move websites out of american jurisdiction, by changing the place they are hosted? I know for instance that a download site I use has changed from a .com to a .me extension.
Saphyr: This. I mean we in Sweden would probably get somthing as well since impact can be huge heeon such stuff and then EUwould porbablytake after since they only rule about that and not important stuff D:
I already contacted my representation and the only person I heard back from is is support and doesn't seem at all concerned by the broad language used in the bill, ahaha. /:
At least they pushed back the SUDDEN DEC. 21ST meeting about it.
At least they pushed back the SUDDEN DEC. 21ST meeting about it.
This must be stopped. If something like this will be in the U.S., after a while it will be in other countries too.
What I'd like to see is information directed at non-American citizens to tell us what we can do to help. As a Canadian citizen and a native English speaker the majority of the sites that I do visit on a regular basis are owned and operated by US citizens. A bill like this being passed could not only shut down those sites, but kill international business among other things.
For instance - and I use this example because I believe people will take it more to heart - perhaps I had invested some money into advertising for my business here on Subeta. I have advertisements up and it's helping to start things going... and then a 'claim' is made on one of infinite pages on the site... First - that's a period of time that there's no financial income. Second - that's invested money gone completely to waste, potentially over a bogus claim.
The internet is a multicultural, multi-minded, but singular entity. To allow it to even in part be severed is going to cause severe, irrepairable damage. US citizen, Canadian citizen, Turkish citizen, who knows? The internet is where we are all HERE. All of us. Beyond countries. This is the place where countries don't exist anymore. Isn't that part of the point? An information-communication highway? Sorry guys. They've thrown a few toll bridges into the mix. And if you look suspicious they might just arrest you for the hell of it.
Sorry, two AM, I'm exhausted, and SOPA is continuing to make me furious.
For instance - and I use this example because I believe people will take it more to heart - perhaps I had invested some money into advertising for my business here on Subeta. I have advertisements up and it's helping to start things going... and then a 'claim' is made on one of infinite pages on the site... First - that's a period of time that there's no financial income. Second - that's invested money gone completely to waste, potentially over a bogus claim.
The internet is a multicultural, multi-minded, but singular entity. To allow it to even in part be severed is going to cause severe, irrepairable damage. US citizen, Canadian citizen, Turkish citizen, who knows? The internet is where we are all HERE. All of us. Beyond countries. This is the place where countries don't exist anymore. Isn't that part of the point? An information-communication highway? Sorry guys. They've thrown a few toll bridges into the mix. And if you look suspicious they might just arrest you for the hell of it.
Sorry, two AM, I'm exhausted, and SOPA is continuing to make me furious.
Yes, I heard about this on TGWTG.com, and still find in unbearably scary in ways I almost can't comprehend.:(
I really hope they plan on debating this one HEAVILY, because it needs some serious tweaking.
I really hope they plan on debating this one HEAVILY, because it needs some serious tweaking.
Dear Keith -
Thank you so much for posting near neutrally about it, telling us how it would effect Subeta, and then not telling us what to do but giving us resources to stop it and advising us to read it and read about it to make a good decision we agree with ourselves.
That basically rocks and I really appreciate it because normally when stuff like this comes up, people flip their lids and shove panic at everyone, and all I hear is OMG HELP ME DO THE THING I THINK IS RIGHT YOU MUST THINK IT IS RIGHT TOO.
I understand the logic behind this bill - it's incredibly faulty and horribly done, hardly thought out at all, probs made by some crazy extremist - and I hope they come up with something more subtle to stop piracy, but I certainly don't agree with this bill.
Thank you so much for posting near neutrally about it, telling us how it would effect Subeta, and then not telling us what to do but giving us resources to stop it and advising us to read it and read about it to make a good decision we agree with ourselves.
That basically rocks and I really appreciate it because normally when stuff like this comes up, people flip their lids and shove panic at everyone, and all I hear is OMG HELP ME DO THE THING I THINK IS RIGHT YOU MUST THINK IT IS RIGHT TOO.
I understand the logic behind this bill - it's incredibly faulty and horribly done, hardly thought out at all, probs made by some crazy extremist - and I hope they come up with something more subtle to stop piracy, but I certainly don't agree with this bill.
wtf this is still going on? Ugh :| I've already signed the petition.
America, please stop trying to control everything. I love my country, but geez xD
America, please stop trying to control everything. I love my country, but geez xD
This is idiotic. I'm not American, but I visit many US sites (duh), and it would be such a shame if they all were closed because of some stupid bill :( Hold on, guys!
Thanks for posting this.
Everyone should definitely look at this bill, if they haven't already. :T
Everyone should definitely look at this bill, if they haven't already. :T
Big Brother is watching you!!!
And does anyone know about fan pets? Or backgrounds? And how does this work with the whole "fair use" policy and such?
And does anyone know about fan pets? Or backgrounds? And how does this work with the whole "fair use" policy and such?
The Bill will undoubtedly be debated so your concerns will be addressed and the Bill amended so it will become less extreme. Meanwhile it is probably sensible to avoid any obvious breach of copyright. Just as you protect your site by copyright, I'm sure artists, writers etc would like their work protected. Their needs to be a balance.
Thank you for actually posting the link! As well as the links to other information concerning the bill. There was a friend of mine going on about how the bill shuts off any site with a login "unless you pay!" to prevent piracy. I couldn't believe that, since that would deny everything but this is still pretty unbelievable. I feel that artists won't even be able to run websites, if this passes, since many of us will create fan art (ie. DeviantART would be screwed, my website would be, Facebook wouldn't have Disney week anymore...)
I feel that everyone in the states that's aware of this should make an outcry against this bill, and even if you don't live in the US, any voice is a voice that could help. I don't want to see the states turn into a 1984 world.
I feel that everyone in the states that's aware of this should make an outcry against this bill, and even if you don't live in the US, any voice is a voice that could help. I don't want to see the states turn into a 1984 world.
Oh my Goodness, when will legislators learn you have to adapt to new technologies, not try and treat them like a moonshine joint you can shut down? I'll be watching this one closely, a lot of countries (Like my dear ol' Australia) look to American legislation for guidance. These laws really make it seem like the US government doesn't actually grasp how the internet works....
Similar thing was proposed in Italy but flagged down as anticostitutional, thus nothing was done, I hope this one would be too!
Thanks for posting this! I am grateful that you usually avoid political issues, but this is very relevant to Subeta and needed to be said.
I really hate this government. They're deaf. They'll probably ignore us until we have no choice but to pull out some duct tape and baseball bats. :/
Instead of shutting down the internet, companies should be smart and use piracy as extra advertisements, and then find a way to reward people who did buy their stuff.
Like: watch our movie in a cinema and recieve X. Buy 10 movies of this brand and get X. Buy this and have a chance to win a free trip to X. Buy this and have a chance to meet actor X.
Oh man, I can make up lots of these things.
Like: watch our movie in a cinema and recieve X. Buy 10 movies of this brand and get X. Buy this and have a chance to win a free trip to X. Buy this and have a chance to meet actor X.
Oh man, I can make up lots of these things.
This already happens in other ways in many other countries, but it's flat out illegal according to American law. However, that won't stop nutty idiots from passing it...
It's disgusting though, it infringes so many of our rights in this country. Thanks for raising the awareness Keith. I hope the internet stays free...I know piracy is a 'big problem' these days (though who on the internet isn't some form of 'pirate' :P) but this is sooo not the way to go about cutting that issue.
It's disgusting though, it infringes so many of our rights in this country. Thanks for raising the awareness Keith. I hope the internet stays free...I know piracy is a 'big problem' these days (though who on the internet isn't some form of 'pirate' :P) but this is sooo not the way to go about cutting that issue.
Oh, but I thought they moved on to a new bill. It's not one that will shut down sites, which is great and all, but it's almost as bad in that it will block US users from visiting offending sites.
Ugh, this sounds like some crazy American idea.
I really hope this doesn't get through.
If it does, I'll glad I'm not living in the USA.
I'm curious to what will happen to sites that review things.
Also, don't they see that piracy has some good sides aswell? It's free advertisement if somebody posts a screenshot of your movie on some site. People will get curious and go see the movie or it's sequals.
Where I live, there's hardly any anime on the television, but they DO sell games of animes that have never ever been shown here (Bleach, Naruto). Why would they try to sell games based on animes if they thought that nobody ever downloads anything illegal and therefore would not know the anime?
I really hope this doesn't get through.
If it does, I'll glad I'm not living in the USA.
I'm curious to what will happen to sites that review things.
Also, don't they see that piracy has some good sides aswell? It's free advertisement if somebody posts a screenshot of your movie on some site. People will get curious and go see the movie or it's sequals.
Where I live, there's hardly any anime on the television, but they DO sell games of animes that have never ever been shown here (Bleach, Naruto). Why would they try to sell games based on animes if they thought that nobody ever downloads anything illegal and therefore would not know the anime?
On another note, it's stuff like this that makes me so ashamed to be an American.
Yes, our government and the music/film industry in America think they can control the world.
At some point, you just know the people in our country will revolt.... provided they haven't been bred into stupidity. A quick glance at the TV and just the intelligence levels of most of the people in this country make terrified. It's like their trying to make us as stupid as possible to work towards a totalitarian ruling system.
Yes, our government and the music/film industry in America think they can control the world.
At some point, you just know the people in our country will revolt.... provided they haven't been bred into stupidity. A quick glance at the TV and just the intelligence levels of most of the people in this country make terrified. It's like their trying to make us as stupid as possible to work towards a totalitarian ruling system.
Thank you for bringing awareness to this. I have signed the petition and will be contacting my reps as soon as possible to voice my displeasure with this idiotic idea.
Ahh, the US Government. You're free to say whatever you want, as long as a handful of old dudes agree with it. It's as free as a 12 year old living in their parent's house.
Maybe it's because I'm English, but... how the fuck does the American government think it can actually, legally do this? They don't own the internet. It was called the "world wide web" for a reason. :/ I'm actually flabbergasted.
I do believe the internet is the world wide web. One country can not control the internet, they have no right too. No matter how big and powerful they may be.
I have joined many petitions, but now all I can do is sit and wait.
I have joined many petitions, but now all I can do is sit and wait.
Thanks!!!! Oops!!! there goes youtube, Facebook, and the list goes on. It will never happen people will protest in the streets.
It is always funny or better sad to see that the USA uses internet
to create conflicts in other countries for so called democracy, but
at the same time believe that they own the internet and can make
worldwide rules.
And above that that they think that US law means worldwide law.
Our laws are not counting in the USA and US laws are not counting
in my country.
It is perhaps time for the major firms that they leave the US and
start there business in another country.
to create conflicts in other countries for so called democracy, but
at the same time believe that they own the internet and can make
worldwide rules.
And above that that they think that US law means worldwide law.
Our laws are not counting in the USA and US laws are not counting
in my country.
It is perhaps time for the major firms that they leave the US and
start there business in another country.
I've already signed a petition concerning this about a month ago. Hopefully this bill doesn't pass through.
Many sites that don't usually get into the whole political deal are jumping on this. It's basically a bill that allows the government and Hollywood (as well as other big name companies) to more or less stifle creativity, as well as basically control what we can and can't do with media in any form it takes.
It's just another form of the government trying to control us. God help everyone if this passes. That'll be the day the internet basically dies. Cause I'd wager even if people moved shop to other countries, they'd just use the same method places like China have used, which is to block all incoming traffic from the US to the site. It's scary as hell to think what might happen if this (or anything like it) were to ever pass.
It's just another form of the government trying to control us. God help everyone if this passes. That'll be the day the internet basically dies. Cause I'd wager even if people moved shop to other countries, they'd just use the same method places like China have used, which is to block all incoming traffic from the US to the site. It's scary as hell to think what might happen if this (or anything like it) were to ever pass.
Hopefully they wont do something that drastic, most websites host screenshots and such from tv and other such things which these SOPA things would want to remove.
I understand stopping the piracy of music/art/etc, but images...that is crazy. A ton of people make gifs and screen shots and such. If they shut down every site with a tiny bit of copywright material then the net would be dead. Hopefully they think of that :
I have much more to say about this thing xD But I dont want to rant and annoy anyone. I just think its annoying. And hopefully, it wont pass. You never know, tons of ideas and such are brought up on how to stop copywright, hopefully this will change and be more reasonable if they do use it.
I understand stopping the piracy of music/art/etc, but images...that is crazy. A ton of people make gifs and screen shots and such. If they shut down every site with a tiny bit of copywright material then the net would be dead. Hopefully they think of that :
I have much more to say about this thing xD But I dont want to rant and annoy anyone. I just think its annoying. And hopefully, it wont pass. You never know, tons of ideas and such are brought up on how to stop copywright, hopefully this will change and be more reasonable if they do use it.
Glad Subeta is fighting to save our freedom on internet, so is firefox. Thank you for posting this.
i was wondering if subeta would post something about SOPA eventually! i'm so glad that you have. people really need to know about this and get involved.
I am very glad that you posted about this. SOPA and a sister bill called PICA (I believe) are dangerous to our freedom. Call your congress man and tell them to deny it, please!!!
Leave it to the US to try to dictate the internet.
And I'm American so I can say that.
And I'll add that as an American living in Europe, this makes us look like mega-asshats to much of the world. Not that we don't already, but still, this SOPA bill is taking it to a whole new level.
And I'm American so I can say that.
And I'll add that as an American living in Europe, this makes us look like mega-asshats to much of the world. Not that we don't already, but still, this SOPA bill is taking it to a whole new level.