Forum Shop: Best Friends
It’s hard to find a best friend that you really connect with. Especially a best friend willing to bake you and your picky roommate (looking at you, Manwar) cookies whenever! Liz, Manwar, and I have donated a few things to the Forum Shop that really define our friendships.
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[NPC] Nico
Oddball
So many praises to Subeta for every character design and backstory and and and *u*
I am a happy ace rn
I am a happy ace rn
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Armor
@ Everyone who says that "their asexuality should have been implied!!"
No. No it shouldn't have. I have spent enough time guessing and side-eyeing and hoping to see characters like me in media. I WANT to see it explicitly stated. I WANT to see it normalized. I don't want to spend my time saying "these characters must be ace!" because I need representation and getting shot down by everyone who claims that since there's nothing explicit, or no word of god, and clearly these characters can't be some made-up-special-snowflake-sexuality-why-is-all-the-focus-on-sexuality-now-anyways.
So yes, the items are cute, and (as always) the art is great and it's wonderful to learn more about the NPCs on this site.
But also, YES, the most important thing here to me is that my sexuality, which is INCREDIBLY looked down on, ignored, and erased, is being represented in a positive and accepting fashion. Let me reiterate that: The most important thing to me is that my sexuality is being represented. I cannot think of more than one other example of ace characters in popular media. If you're not comfortable with me saying "I'm ace," then you're not comfortable with my existence. Being asexual--being OPENLY asexual--is a huge part of who I am. So I'm not gonna shut up about it just because some people find it weird that I am announcing my sexual orientation (ie, none.)
No. No it shouldn't have. I have spent enough time guessing and side-eyeing and hoping to see characters like me in media. I WANT to see it explicitly stated. I WANT to see it normalized. I don't want to spend my time saying "these characters must be ace!" because I need representation and getting shot down by everyone who claims that since there's nothing explicit, or no word of god, and clearly these characters can't be some made-up-special-snowflake-sexuality-why-is-all-the-focus-on-sexuality-now-anyways.
So yes, the items are cute, and (as always) the art is great and it's wonderful to learn more about the NPCs on this site.
But also, YES, the most important thing here to me is that my sexuality, which is INCREDIBLY looked down on, ignored, and erased, is being represented in a positive and accepting fashion. Let me reiterate that: The most important thing to me is that my sexuality is being represented. I cannot think of more than one other example of ace characters in popular media. If you're not comfortable with me saying "I'm ace," then you're not comfortable with my existence. Being asexual--being OPENLY asexual--is a huge part of who I am. So I'm not gonna shut up about it just because some people find it weird that I am announcing my sexual orientation (ie, none.)
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Peppermint
Best Friend and Couple plushies are my absolute favorite thing, hngh. So cute that I can just ignore the drama in the comments~
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Eiji
I re-read what I said and I can see how someone might have thought I was implying that asexuality is tumblr-based, or something like that. Let me clarify: I absolutely know it's not! I just understand that for some people who may not be very familiar with asexuality, they can look at the comments here and see these other terms that are very popular on tumblr, and assume that it's related in some way. And for some, that's a frightening thought, because they may have had experiences with people on tumblr who they didn't agree with but were respectful to, but still were insulted or made to feel like a horrible person for not agreeing with that specific idea. Shoving something in someone's face aggressively, instead of calmly explaining your point of view, will never garner any kind of positive response.
Some people even within the LGBT community may disagree with how a certain sexuality is presented, or there may be a term or an idea that they disagree with altogether. And that's fine, people are absolutely allowed to voice their opinions in a polite manner. I don't think anyone here is against minority group representation, whether they're very heavy on tumblr or not (and asexuality tends to be very under-represented). Because, let's face it, they don't have to affect them! I think it's when these kinds of things become hostile, when there's an "us vs. them" attitude or an overall feeling of "if you don't accept this, you're trash". Nobody likes to feel forced into anything, and I'll admit there are certain things others believe that I personally feel are a little silly or unnecessary, but I'm not going to be a jerk to them. And if you don't like me because I think something is unnecessary, but still show that person basic respect, then that's okay. There are things I like or believe that other people probably look at and say, "wow she's so weird."
Basically, you don't have to agree with an idea, but respect that that person does. It doesn't have to be for you, that's okay! But it's important to someone else. You can disagree with an idea while still recognizing that it matters to someone, and that it's a part of them. Live and let live. And if you're really going to debate someone, remember that there's a reason for the way they feel. This applies to both sides.
There's so much I could get into, but this is not the place and I'm super tired. I just didn't want anyone to think I'm running around here saying that oh no tumblr is invading or anything like that. And I'm sorry to the asexual community if anything I said came across like I was saying you guys were just a tumblr trend or special snowflakes or anything. That was not what I was intending at all.
Okay I'm gonna shut up for real now. ;o; I'm sorry Nico babe.
Some people even within the LGBT community may disagree with how a certain sexuality is presented, or there may be a term or an idea that they disagree with altogether. And that's fine, people are absolutely allowed to voice their opinions in a polite manner. I don't think anyone here is against minority group representation, whether they're very heavy on tumblr or not (and asexuality tends to be very under-represented). Because, let's face it, they don't have to affect them! I think it's when these kinds of things become hostile, when there's an "us vs. them" attitude or an overall feeling of "if you don't accept this, you're trash". Nobody likes to feel forced into anything, and I'll admit there are certain things others believe that I personally feel are a little silly or unnecessary, but I'm not going to be a jerk to them. And if you don't like me because I think something is unnecessary, but still show that person basic respect, then that's okay. There are things I like or believe that other people probably look at and say, "wow she's so weird."
Basically, you don't have to agree with an idea, but respect that that person does. It doesn't have to be for you, that's okay! But it's important to someone else. You can disagree with an idea while still recognizing that it matters to someone, and that it's a part of them. Live and let live. And if you're really going to debate someone, remember that there's a reason for the way they feel. This applies to both sides.
There's so much I could get into, but this is not the place and I'm super tired. I just didn't want anyone to think I'm running around here saying that oh no tumblr is invading or anything like that. And I'm sorry to the asexual community if anything I said came across like I was saying you guys were just a tumblr trend or special snowflakes or anything. That was not what I was intending at all.
Okay I'm gonna shut up for real now. ;o; I'm sorry Nico babe.
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Prussia
I think it's awesome that Nico lives with Manwar now. Nico may be ace, but you guys will always be my platonic OTP. I don't know Liz well enough to make a call on that. Now if you'll excuse me, I need to stick someone with that sticker.
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Egypt
MANWAR IS VEGAN?? SOOO COOL IF THATS WHAT YOU ARE GETTING AT!!! :D also ace vegan here 2 omgggg
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Eiji
I hope no one thinks I'm trying to say anything hateful. ;; I know it's not a tumblr trend and you guys are absolutely not broken or special snowflakes. I'm just trying to look at this from every angle to see why people might feel the way they do.
I love you all and I hope everyone has a great day!
I love you all and I hope everyone has a great day!
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far
Ace/Aro people are not broken.
They are not a damn Tumblr trend either.
Go me for being a special snowflake.
lmao.
They are not a damn Tumblr trend either.
Go me for being a special snowflake.
lmao.
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Katlamos
Yay Aces! There's a group you don't really see represented often. I mean sure, most of what I know comes from reading Shades of A and doing research to supplement knowledge, but nice to see some crazy diversity on this site. And Liz and Nico are so adorable together I can feel myself getting Diabeetus just reading those descriptions <3
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Eiji
@McKay
I hope you don't find anything I've said acephobic... I think people feel that way because tumblr seems to focus more on the lesser known sexualities, whereas homosexuality has been a known thing (to the general public) for a very long time. People can be very quick to attack other people, instead of trying to understand what they're saying. This happens on ALL sides.
I think these items are wonderful, and I hope that nothing I said came across as me trying to be like "lol tumblr". It's been a place of comfort for many, but also a place of isolation and misunderstanding, even within groups. I'm sorry, I'm not very good at explaining.
I hope you don't find anything I've said acephobic... I think people feel that way because tumblr seems to focus more on the lesser known sexualities, whereas homosexuality has been a known thing (to the general public) for a very long time. People can be very quick to attack other people, instead of trying to understand what they're saying. This happens on ALL sides.
I think these items are wonderful, and I hope that nothing I said came across as me trying to be like "lol tumblr". It's been a place of comfort for many, but also a place of isolation and misunderstanding, even within groups. I'm sorry, I'm not very good at explaining.
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Fray
DUDE. ACE CHARACTERS AND WITH A LOVE FOR VEGAN STUFF? :'D I'm in heaven
But besides that, I just love how as soon as characters get confirmed as ace all the people be like OHHH NOOOO TUMBLRRRRR whereas this never happens with the gay NPCs LMAAAOOOO I SEE ALL YOU ACEPHOBES AND I'M SIDE-EYING ALL OF YA
Just a note to all of ya'll - I've been ace since bloody puberty set in and that was fricking 10 years ago. It's got nothing to do with ~tumblr~ considering that tumblr is full of acephobes last I checked lmfao
Plus I'm literally mr "I do not give a stuff about sexuality" and even I'M over the moon with this. But, you know, it's nice to know that my sexuality is regarded as a "tumblr special snowflake" thing. Real nice. Makes me feel really welcome here. c: Thanks guys.
But besides that, I just love how as soon as characters get confirmed as ace all the people be like OHHH NOOOO TUMBLRRRRR whereas this never happens with the gay NPCs LMAAAOOOO I SEE ALL YOU ACEPHOBES AND I'M SIDE-EYING ALL OF YA
Just a note to all of ya'll - I've been ace since bloody puberty set in and that was fricking 10 years ago. It's got nothing to do with ~tumblr~ considering that tumblr is full of acephobes last I checked lmfao
Plus I'm literally mr "I do not give a stuff about sexuality" and even I'M over the moon with this. But, you know, it's nice to know that my sexuality is regarded as a "tumblr special snowflake" thing. Real nice. Makes me feel really welcome here. c: Thanks guys.
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Eiji
I hope I'm making sense? It's just that you don't want to alienate half of the asexual community by saying "this is what asexuality is", when they may adhere to something different. That's my example, I guess. So that's why I think some people can be uncomfortable if it gets very specific. It's like my OCD... Not everyone has my combination of symptoms. So you have to be careful with things like this, sensitive topics. Not everyone has to agree with a specific representation or how it's presented, because maybe they feel differently about it.
Sorry, I'll shut up! This is beautiful again thank you staff. I'm so sorry this turned into a jumble. :(
Sorry, I'll shut up! This is beautiful again thank you staff. I'm so sorry this turned into a jumble. :(
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Eiji
But again, this was done very tastefully and in a way that can appeal to many people with different definitions of what asexuality means to them, and that makes me very happy! Representation is amazing, I would probably start crying if there was a character with OCD who wasn't just obsessed with cleaning, but had intrusive and obsessive thoughts and compulsions too. I've never ever had that in my entire life, short of creating my own OC to represent it respectfully. So I totally understand where people are coming from, and I think this is nothing short of lovely! I just can also understand why some people might be wondering if this is going to turn into a toxic site like tumblr can be (it used to be pretty accepting, but now it just seems to be very alienating). I believe Subeta has more integrity than that, and while some things may be released that not everyone sees eye to eye on (and that is FINE, it does not have to mean intolerance), I hope that we can all handle this with maturity.
The ambiguity of these things, the way staff doesn't go too far into specifics and sub-labels, is very important, I feel. And I respect them immensely for that.
The ambiguity of these things, the way staff doesn't go too far into specifics and sub-labels, is very important, I feel. And I respect them immensely for that.
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AlanaBanana
I'm... just going to say that these items are really cute, and then I'm going to slowly back away.
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Eiji
@Kbbob
You're okay! I almost typed in Haruka when I went to ping you... So I understand. xD'
I just hope that no one takes what I said the wrong way... I'm seriously not trying to offend anyone. It's just really difficult for me to explain things sometimes, so one thing might sound like something else. It gives me a lot of stress to think that someone might think badly of me, because I try so hard to please everyone haha. I want people to discuss these things respectfully and feel safe to voice their opinions and reasons for agreeing or disagreeing without anyone jumping to conclusions.
I'm sorry all this had to happen on your post, Nico love. :(
You're okay! I almost typed in Haruka when I went to ping you... So I understand. xD'
I just hope that no one takes what I said the wrong way... I'm seriously not trying to offend anyone. It's just really difficult for me to explain things sometimes, so one thing might sound like something else. It gives me a lot of stress to think that someone might think badly of me, because I try so hard to please everyone haha. I want people to discuss these things respectfully and feel safe to voice their opinions and reasons for agreeing or disagreeing without anyone jumping to conclusions.
I'm sorry all this had to happen on your post, Nico love. :(
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Kevin
@haruka
Your ping is the first one below, pinged Nepolink twice because I just woke up from a nap and am posting from my phone. Two things that shouldn't be done in combination lol
Dammit if that went through the first time and I spelled your un wrong. I blame my above reason for this.
Your ping is the first one below, pinged Nepolink twice because I just woke up from a nap and am posting from my phone. Two things that shouldn't be done in combination lol
Dammit if that went through the first time and I spelled your un wrong. I blame my above reason for this.
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Kevin
@haruku
Your ping is the first one below, pinged Nepolink twice because I just woke up from a nap and am posting from my phone. Two things that shouldn't be done in combination lol
Your ping is the first one below, pinged Nepolink twice because I just woke up from a nap and am posting from my phone. Two things that shouldn't be done in combination lol
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Kevin
@nepolink
It does seem like many words get twisted or people get too bent put of shape based on which words someone else chooses. It's unfortunate.
@nepolink
I'm autistic, it's not so bad.
It does seem like many words get twisted or people get too bent put of shape based on which words someone else chooses. It's unfortunate.
@nepolink
I'm autistic, it's not so bad.
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Separatist
@Ayremic
LMAO. Nobody can tell me to deal with stuff.
Anyway i just woke up and tought this was going to be another gender thingie. My bad to say such things like tumblr yes i admit. I just ran into people with special pronouns and those things like tiger-self, rats-self. They got rather angry when you say something about it to them (and it wasn't even anything bad) << i don't have problems with asexuals NPC, am asexual myself and got bullied for it for like years on school and even called autistic and more horrible stuff. I actually got glad something like asexual is here because all those years i THOUGHT i have been autistic. I have nothing against trans and all those things, just people with their special pronouns. And this has nothing to do with this. So yeh sorry for my offtopic rambling.
Love the new NPC's and the items.
LMAO. Nobody can tell me to deal with stuff.
Anyway i just woke up and tought this was going to be another gender thingie. My bad to say such things like tumblr yes i admit. I just ran into people with special pronouns and those things like tiger-self, rats-self. They got rather angry when you say something about it to them (and it wasn't even anything bad) << i don't have problems with asexuals NPC, am asexual myself and got bullied for it for like years on school and even called autistic and more horrible stuff. I actually got glad something like asexual is here because all those years i THOUGHT i have been autistic. I have nothing against trans and all those things, just people with their special pronouns. And this has nothing to do with this. So yeh sorry for my offtopic rambling.
Love the new NPC's and the items.
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Eiji
@RoxyWolf
I agree with you 100%. I hope you don't think I was saying people are uncomfortable with minority representation? That's not what I was intending to say at all. It's that these kinds of things can be really tricky if they're not handled carefully, because there are so many different people. One person who identifies as asexual might not identify in the same way someone else does, and that's when I've noticed the hostility starts. That's why I appreciate the ambiguity that adheres to both traditional definitions of asexuality as well as some of the newer ideas. You don't want to alienate someone because they feel a little differently about the same thing, as long as they're not being dickish about it.
Representation isn't making anyone uncomfortable, at least not that I can see? I may be wrong, forgive me if there's something I've missed. But the deeper problem seems to be about HOW that representation is handled, and what exactly we're representing.
@kbbob
yeah... I'm bad at wording things, so I'm never sure. It seems like everyone always wants to fight and twist words and accuse, and it makes me so uncomfortable. It's one of the reasons I'm still terrified to come out openly as bisexual... It's not the world I'm scared of, it's the supposed supporters...
I agree with you 100%. I hope you don't think I was saying people are uncomfortable with minority representation? That's not what I was intending to say at all. It's that these kinds of things can be really tricky if they're not handled carefully, because there are so many different people. One person who identifies as asexual might not identify in the same way someone else does, and that's when I've noticed the hostility starts. That's why I appreciate the ambiguity that adheres to both traditional definitions of asexuality as well as some of the newer ideas. You don't want to alienate someone because they feel a little differently about the same thing, as long as they're not being dickish about it.
Representation isn't making anyone uncomfortable, at least not that I can see? I may be wrong, forgive me if there's something I've missed. But the deeper problem seems to be about HOW that representation is handled, and what exactly we're representing.
@kbbob
yeah... I'm bad at wording things, so I'm never sure. It seems like everyone always wants to fight and twist words and accuse, and it makes me so uncomfortable. It's one of the reasons I'm still terrified to come out openly as bisexual... It's not the world I'm scared of, it's the supposed supporters...
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RoxyWolf
Uncomfortable with the representation of those scary minority groups on subeta.net?
It's not about "I like to sleep with X" "I aLSO like to sleep with x let's be friends" for a lot of us. It's about "Oh god, oh my god, someone else is like me, oh my god I'm not alone, I'm not broken, I'm not some fucked up piece of shit like I thought I was." It's about knowing you're not the only one out there like yourself, that you aren't "broken," that you aren't disgusting and sick and wrong. That you and your feelings are REAL and valid. It's validation when you see yourself represented in the world outside of your own mind.
To put this into perspective, I have a friend who was born without an arm. She's never really given it much thought, she's just her. But it never really occurred to her how incredibly validating it can be to see yourself represented in media until she saw Imperator Furiosa in Mad Max: Fury Road. Someone who was just like her. Someone who had the same difference as her, and yet who was still strong, and important, and incredible IN SPITE of something that in any other movie would have been a hindrance, a limiting feature.
So even if you don't understand why someone announces a fact about themselves -- I have cancer, I have BPD, I am bisexual, or any other thing someone CHOOSES to describe themselves or identify with (as labels are chosen for the benefit of the user), please try to be sympathetic and understand why they're doing it. It's not to feel uber speshul snowflakey uwu
It's because knowing you're not alone in a world that often refuses to know you exist, to portray you as anything but a stereotype, a cruel caricature, can lift a weight off your shoulders and give you faith that you aren't a huge flaw. People aren't their labels -- but their labels help describe who they are to the outside world. And no one should be shunned for simply stating "this is who I am."
It's not about "I like to sleep with X" "I aLSO like to sleep with x let's be friends" for a lot of us. It's about "Oh god, oh my god, someone else is like me, oh my god I'm not alone, I'm not broken, I'm not some fucked up piece of shit like I thought I was." It's about knowing you're not the only one out there like yourself, that you aren't "broken," that you aren't disgusting and sick and wrong. That you and your feelings are REAL and valid. It's validation when you see yourself represented in the world outside of your own mind.
To put this into perspective, I have a friend who was born without an arm. She's never really given it much thought, she's just her. But it never really occurred to her how incredibly validating it can be to see yourself represented in media until she saw Imperator Furiosa in Mad Max: Fury Road. Someone who was just like her. Someone who had the same difference as her, and yet who was still strong, and important, and incredible IN SPITE of something that in any other movie would have been a hindrance, a limiting feature.
So even if you don't understand why someone announces a fact about themselves -- I have cancer, I have BPD, I am bisexual, or any other thing someone CHOOSES to describe themselves or identify with (as labels are chosen for the benefit of the user), please try to be sympathetic and understand why they're doing it. It's not to feel uber speshul snowflakey uwu
It's because knowing you're not alone in a world that often refuses to know you exist, to portray you as anything but a stereotype, a cruel caricature, can lift a weight off your shoulders and give you faith that you aren't a huge flaw. People aren't their labels -- but their labels help describe who they are to the outside world. And no one should be shunned for simply stating "this is who I am."
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dannygyrrl
ACE CHARACTERS?!?!? I actually never thought I'd see the day this makes me so happy! Thanks for the representation Subeta <3
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dannygyrrl
ACE CHARACTERS?!?!? I actually never thought I'd see the day this makes me so happy! Thanks for the representation Subeta <3
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Kevin
@Haruka
I think what you're saying makes sense and we all need to show mutual respect even if we do not agree with something. Not agreeing ≠ intolerance, and people can disagree in a very respectful fashion, it does not mean we're arguing though.
I don't believe anything I've said came from a place with disrespect to anyone, and if it has, that was not my intent.
I think what you're saying makes sense and we all need to show mutual respect even if we do not agree with something. Not agreeing ≠ intolerance, and people can disagree in a very respectful fashion, it does not mean we're arguing though.
I don't believe anything I've said came from a place with disrespect to anyone, and if it has, that was not my intent.
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Eiji
I shouldn't try to explain my own points of view while sick uurgh.
I love you, Nico (and Liz and Manwar)! :'( That's what's most important to me haha. <3
I love you, Nico (and Liz and Manwar)! :'( That's what's most important to me haha. <3
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Eiji
I want to leave an example here, because it really made me think... There was someone who fell along the LGBT board, but they were absolutely uncomfortable with being called "queer" because that's what their abusers had called them. They were very not okay with terms like "queer platonic" and others... But they were very careful not to push that on anyone else. They just asked that the same respect be given to them.
So, even if you disagree with someone's labels, or labels at all, I think it's important to maintain basic respect. But that respect should be returned, and you should never automatically assume someone is being intolerant. You don't know their reasoning for feeling the way they do, and pressuring them to adhere to something they don't personally believe will only make them uncomfortable and create a bigger rift. We don't need to keep fighting! :( Try to understand why someone may feel the way they do, and share your point of view if you'd like. But these things are not black and white, as I said before, so please please don't assume people are trying to be bigots OR "special snowflakes".
Of course, there will ALWAYS be assholes... But you shouldn't let that define how you treat everyone else.
I'm sorry for going on about this. >-< It's something very important to me, and something I've struggled with, so I guess reading some of these comments struck a chord with me... I hope I don't appear disrespectful to anyone.
So, even if you disagree with someone's labels, or labels at all, I think it's important to maintain basic respect. But that respect should be returned, and you should never automatically assume someone is being intolerant. You don't know their reasoning for feeling the way they do, and pressuring them to adhere to something they don't personally believe will only make them uncomfortable and create a bigger rift. We don't need to keep fighting! :( Try to understand why someone may feel the way they do, and share your point of view if you'd like. But these things are not black and white, as I said before, so please please don't assume people are trying to be bigots OR "special snowflakes".
Of course, there will ALWAYS be assholes... But you shouldn't let that define how you treat everyone else.
I'm sorry for going on about this. >-< It's something very important to me, and something I've struggled with, so I guess reading some of these comments struck a chord with me... I hope I don't appear disrespectful to anyone.
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Eiji
@Cheshire
I'm sorry! :( I think it's just human nature. I wish we could all just say "oh that's nice!" and move on, but things like this tend to be very complicated with big emotional impacts for some people. This isn't really the place for debate, but people should feel safe expressing their opinions in a mature way.
I'm sorry! :( I think it's just human nature. I wish we could all just say "oh that's nice!" and move on, but things like this tend to be very complicated with big emotional impacts for some people. This isn't really the place for debate, but people should feel safe expressing their opinions in a mature way.
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Eiji
@Amicorn
I agree! I think the problem a lot of people have is when it becomes an isolating feature rather than something that should bring everyone closer together. You absolutely don't have to agree with everyone, that's okay! But many people (NOT all) can become nearly impossible to talk to without their gender/sexuality becoming the focus of the conversation. My advice for anyone would be... just don't talk to someone you don't get along with! But there can often become this "us vs. them" mentality that can poison a lot of things.
I agree! I think the problem a lot of people have is when it becomes an isolating feature rather than something that should bring everyone closer together. You absolutely don't have to agree with everyone, that's okay! But many people (NOT all) can become nearly impossible to talk to without their gender/sexuality becoming the focus of the conversation. My advice for anyone would be... just don't talk to someone you don't get along with! But there can often become this "us vs. them" mentality that can poison a lot of things.
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Cheshire
Got rid of the debate forums only to have the news post comments section mutate into a new an not so improved version of it.
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Raze
Argh. Was reading over my previous comment again and I really hate how I worded this: "...but they’re more normal and expected so naturally they don’t fuel as much excitement and get less comments."
Saying something like "more common" instead of how I said "more normal" would more accurately express what I wanted to say with that sentence.
Really mad at myself for that poor word choice since it seems to imply that asexuality isn't also something that should be considered normal. I identify along the ace spectrum and have struggled with feeling like I'm in some way broken or not normal and would hate for anyone else on the spectrum to think I'm implying that about them. :(
Saying something like "more common" instead of how I said "more normal" would more accurately express what I wanted to say with that sentence.
Really mad at myself for that poor word choice since it seems to imply that asexuality isn't also something that should be considered normal. I identify along the ace spectrum and have struggled with feeling like I'm in some way broken or not normal and would hate for anyone else on the spectrum to think I'm implying that about them. :(
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Amy
Just going to put this out there, but denying someone their right to exhibit or recognize their sexuality is basically the same thing as saying "you don't see color". People have a right to be proud of who they are and should be allowed their ability to express themselves for what they are. Just because a sexuality doesn't define you, doesn't mean it can't be an important aspect to you. I just feel that if you respect everyone for who they are and you "don't see labels" then you shouldn't be the one focusing on how we shouldn't characterize sexuality.
With that being said I really like these items! The throw is particularly my favorite although the sweet words of the plushie really got me to write this post!
With that being said I really like these items! The throw is particularly my favorite although the sweet words of the plushie really got me to write this post!
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Eiji
I've been seeing a lot of negative references to tumblr here in the comments. I want to say that I totally and completely understand where some people might be coming from with the "oh God, it's tumblr" comments -- and I really hope nobody will think me a bad person for saying so! I don't think it's so much that Nico, Liz or these beautiful new items are a problem (because let's face it, the concept of asexuality HAS been around long, long before tumblr - that's just a fact of life no matter how you feel about some of the newer terms and labels), I think it's just that a lot of people who have had bad experiences with tumblr-brand social justice see things like this and their hearts drop. Especially since I assume a lot of people come here to get away from stressful situations like that (and for many, tumblr is a very stressful, very toxic place).
I understand why Nico and Liz's asexuality was mentioned, and it really was only one line. It might seem weird to hear someone say something like, "they bonded over their asexuality", but I can easily imagine different realistic scenarios where something like that could happen. Maybe someone thought they were dating, and Nico became visibly uncomfortable after they both denied it. Maybe Liz said something like "I don't date!" to that person, and something kind of clicked for Nico, and then they both talked about it. I know it can sound strange, but things like that can happen! They were probably friends before, but their shared experiences brought them together.
I've actually bonded with some of my friends over my OCD (and I didn't even know they had the same experiences!) and it was just neat to be able to feel like someone understood me. I felt closer to that person. I think that's just human nature. ^^
I won't get into detail how I feel about labels, but I think that some people see things like this and wonder if every single NPC is going to get a different sexuality or gender identity that suddenly becomes their defining feature, and being uncomfortable with that thought doesn't necessarily make someone phobic or hateful or intolerant. There are two very strong sides to this situation, and it's important to understand where each side is coming from. Some people absolutely love and embrace labels; for them, the more there are, the better! Others become uncomfortable for very real and understandable reasons. Trying to understand both points of view doesn't mean you have to agree! It seems to me like a lot of people in the comments have actually been very respectful, but there tends to be a knee-jerk reaction when someone voices any sort of non-super positive opinion about something along this vein, and I really wish that would stop. There will ALWAYS be jerks, but voicing your opinion politely does not make you one, nor does it mean you deserve to be called names or attacked. I think that's why posts that talk about certain aspects of LGBT can feel very damning to some. It can feel like you just can't win, because someone will always be offended.
I forgot where I was going with this, because I have a fever, so please forgive me for rambling! But things like this just aren't black and white, and I truly believe it's important to listen to all points of view here. And if tumblr is a great place for you, that's wonderful! It's just that many people have had very bad experiences there, and I think we can all agree that feeling like what you say doesn't matter at all is a very hurtful thing. For me at least, I remember those bad experiences I had in other places, and I become anxious that something I love and enjoy relaxing with is becoming a battlefield of gender identities and sexualities. Not everyone is going to agree, and that doesn't make what they're saying wrong. I don't think anyone outwardly opposes asexuality here, I think it's just a general feeling and worry of things on this site becoming focused on labels and terminology not everyone is comfortable with, with forced acceptance of these things.
So far, I think Subeta has done a wonderful job of being ambiguous enough to appeal to many different aspects of the same concept, but I understand where some frustration might be coming from. I hope that these things will continue to be handled with maturity and sensitivity!
(I'm so out of it, I'm sorry if none of this makes sense. xD')
I understand why Nico and Liz's asexuality was mentioned, and it really was only one line. It might seem weird to hear someone say something like, "they bonded over their asexuality", but I can easily imagine different realistic scenarios where something like that could happen. Maybe someone thought they were dating, and Nico became visibly uncomfortable after they both denied it. Maybe Liz said something like "I don't date!" to that person, and something kind of clicked for Nico, and then they both talked about it. I know it can sound strange, but things like that can happen! They were probably friends before, but their shared experiences brought them together.
I've actually bonded with some of my friends over my OCD (and I didn't even know they had the same experiences!) and it was just neat to be able to feel like someone understood me. I felt closer to that person. I think that's just human nature. ^^
I won't get into detail how I feel about labels, but I think that some people see things like this and wonder if every single NPC is going to get a different sexuality or gender identity that suddenly becomes their defining feature, and being uncomfortable with that thought doesn't necessarily make someone phobic or hateful or intolerant. There are two very strong sides to this situation, and it's important to understand where each side is coming from. Some people absolutely love and embrace labels; for them, the more there are, the better! Others become uncomfortable for very real and understandable reasons. Trying to understand both points of view doesn't mean you have to agree! It seems to me like a lot of people in the comments have actually been very respectful, but there tends to be a knee-jerk reaction when someone voices any sort of non-super positive opinion about something along this vein, and I really wish that would stop. There will ALWAYS be jerks, but voicing your opinion politely does not make you one, nor does it mean you deserve to be called names or attacked. I think that's why posts that talk about certain aspects of LGBT can feel very damning to some. It can feel like you just can't win, because someone will always be offended.
I forgot where I was going with this, because I have a fever, so please forgive me for rambling! But things like this just aren't black and white, and I truly believe it's important to listen to all points of view here. And if tumblr is a great place for you, that's wonderful! It's just that many people have had very bad experiences there, and I think we can all agree that feeling like what you say doesn't matter at all is a very hurtful thing. For me at least, I remember those bad experiences I had in other places, and I become anxious that something I love and enjoy relaxing with is becoming a battlefield of gender identities and sexualities. Not everyone is going to agree, and that doesn't make what they're saying wrong. I don't think anyone outwardly opposes asexuality here, I think it's just a general feeling and worry of things on this site becoming focused on labels and terminology not everyone is comfortable with, with forced acceptance of these things.
So far, I think Subeta has done a wonderful job of being ambiguous enough to appeal to many different aspects of the same concept, but I understand where some frustration might be coming from. I hope that these things will continue to be handled with maturity and sensitivity!
(I'm so out of it, I'm sorry if none of this makes sense. xD')
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Campanella
Aww, these are really cute, both the items themselves and the descriptions. The plushie in particular is absolutely adorable. ♥
The overlay for the Beloved Fleece Throw is rather nice, too - it's always nice to see more items that change the avatar's pose a bit.
I'm glad to see more NPCs getting fleshed out, even if it's "just" through items and their descriptions (and a few comments here and there, like on this post). It's a good way to expand on characters who haven't gotten much focus during plots (or haven't been involved in plots for a while, as in this case), I think, and those items tend to double as nifty collectibles for those who like those NPCs to boot. :blush:
The overlay for the Beloved Fleece Throw is rather nice, too - it's always nice to see more items that change the avatar's pose a bit.
I'm glad to see more NPCs getting fleshed out, even if it's "just" through items and their descriptions (and a few comments here and there, like on this post). It's a good way to expand on characters who haven't gotten much focus during plots (or haven't been involved in plots for a while, as in this case), I think, and those items tend to double as nifty collectibles for those who like those NPCs to boot. :blush:
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Kevin
@whirl
the issue that I am uncomfortable with people judging others solely on something like their sexuality.
That I might be, but my opinions will only ever represent how I feel. I don't expect everyone to agree with me, but I'd like to think most people can see where I am coming from.
the issue that I am uncomfortable with people judging others solely on something like their sexuality.
That I might be, but my opinions will only ever represent how I feel. I don't expect everyone to agree with me, but I'd like to think most people can see where I am coming from.
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moiphy
@kbbob
what issue? the issue that you and some others are uncomfortable with people focusing on something you don't think should be? i think you're overestimating how important that is to everyone else. ¯_(ツ)_/¯
what issue? the issue that you and some others are uncomfortable with people focusing on something you don't think should be? i think you're overestimating how important that is to everyone else. ¯_(ツ)_/¯
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Princess
Quote:
this :^)@kbbob
how do you know that people who only comment something like 'yay ace npcs!' aren't asexual too :?
i identify on the ace spectrum but just because i didn't say i'm ace in my love these ace npcs comment doesn't mean i'm not
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Kevin
@whirl
I don't. But if they are, I wouldn't mind it, though I think they could have phrased it better.
I don't expect anyone to change how they do things by what I say, but if someone wants to understand how I view something, they need to know my motivations.
What I have said is justification to my earlier statements. I am not calling out anyone for making a small statement, I am using it as an example.
If we cannot converse with other people to better understand two sides of a situation, how do you expect growth on an issue? My conversation withClopin was quite pleasant even though we may not agree 100%, it doesn't mean I expect them to behave differently or change their viewpoint. I do think we both probably took something away from the conversation though, and that is probably a good thing.
I don't. But if they are, I wouldn't mind it, though I think they could have phrased it better.
I don't expect anyone to change how they do things by what I say, but if someone wants to understand how I view something, they need to know my motivations.
What I have said is justification to my earlier statements. I am not calling out anyone for making a small statement, I am using it as an example.
If we cannot converse with other people to better understand two sides of a situation, how do you expect growth on an issue? My conversation with
Clopin was quite pleasant even though we may not agree 100%, it doesn't mean I expect them to behave differently or change their viewpoint. I do think we both probably took something away from the conversation though, and that is probably a good thing.
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Raze
Throwing in my two cents on the asexuality comments discussion:
What is so wrong about focusing on the confirmation of their asexuality as the thing to be excited about? Sure the other details are awesome, but they’re more normal and expected so naturally they don’t fuel as much excitement and get less comments.
Say a kitten and a unicorn both get saved from a burning building on the same day. Can you really blame the news networks when they inevitably have more coverage of the unicorn rescue? That doesn’t mean that the kitten getting rescued isn’t a good thing, or that the kitten is any less deserving of love than the unicorn, but HOLY SHIT A UNICORN. THAT JUST DOESN’T HAPPEN. LIKE EVER. DAMN RIGHT I’M FOCUSING ON THE UNICORN.
Asexual representation is something that almost never happens. Of course people are going to have more to say about that than learning of Manwar’s love for vegan chocolate chip macadamia nut cookies.
What is so wrong about focusing on the confirmation of their asexuality as the thing to be excited about? Sure the other details are awesome, but they’re more normal and expected so naturally they don’t fuel as much excitement and get less comments.
Say a kitten and a unicorn both get saved from a burning building on the same day. Can you really blame the news networks when they inevitably have more coverage of the unicorn rescue? That doesn’t mean that the kitten getting rescued isn’t a good thing, or that the kitten is any less deserving of love than the unicorn, but HOLY SHIT A UNICORN. THAT JUST DOESN’T HAPPEN. LIKE EVER. DAMN RIGHT I’M FOCUSING ON THE UNICORN.
Asexual representation is something that almost never happens. Of course people are going to have more to say about that than learning of Manwar’s love for vegan chocolate chip macadamia nut cookies.
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moiphy
@kbbob
how do you know that people who only comment something like 'yay ace npcs!' aren't asexual too :?
they are such small comments i still don't see why they bother you so much. telling people not to focus on it is just going to make them focus on it more. you can't dictate what people will want to discuss especially based on your very personal feelings on extremely subjective matters like whether or not sexuality should be focused on. talk about what you like and move on.
how do you know that people who only comment something like 'yay ace npcs!' aren't asexual too :?
they are such small comments i still don't see why they bother you so much. telling people not to focus on it is just going to make them focus on it more. you can't dictate what people will want to discuss especially based on your very personal feelings on extremely subjective matters like whether or not sexuality should be focused on. talk about what you like and move on.
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Raze
Yay. More NPC background info. <3
So glad the sticker is only one point because it is so adorable and I’m still saving up points to buy all the other stickers in that shop. I wish forum points were given more frequently. It’s been at least 30 posts since I last got one. I suppose it could just be me having a string of bad luck, but these odds still feel way too low. :(
So glad the sticker is only one point because it is so adorable and I’m still saving up points to buy all the other stickers in that shop. I wish forum points were given more frequently. It’s been at least 30 posts since I last got one. I suppose it could just be me having a string of bad luck, but these odds still feel way too low. :(
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Clopin
@kbbob
I agree that not every NPC's gender or sexuality needs to be stated-- it all comes with discretion. I do think it's important to have representations of everyone, but I don't think it's absolutely necessary to know those particular details about everyone. Because there are some people who never talk or share about those things so it wouldn't be important! It's obviously important to Nico and Liz because that's how they bonded and is something they obviously talk about, but for some other characters it wouldn't matter to them whether or not people knew. I'm glad to listen because listening to other people's viewpoints is important. I certainly don't know everything, so the only way I can grow and understand is to listen. c: You brought up valid points about needing more information on everyone in general though and I can get behind that. We don't have to agree on everything to have a conversation about it!
With all this being said though I forgot to mention how cute the actual items are. I need that plushie pls. And the background.
I agree that not every NPC's gender or sexuality needs to be stated-- it all comes with discretion. I do think it's important to have representations of everyone, but I don't think it's absolutely necessary to know those particular details about everyone. Because there are some people who never talk or share about those things so it wouldn't be important! It's obviously important to Nico and Liz because that's how they bonded and is something they obviously talk about, but for some other characters it wouldn't matter to them whether or not people knew. I'm glad to listen because listening to other people's viewpoints is important. I certainly don't know everything, so the only way I can grow and understand is to listen. c: You brought up valid points about needing more information on everyone in general though and I can get behind that. We don't have to agree on everything to have a conversation about it!
With all this being said though I forgot to mention how cute the actual items are. I need that plushie pls. And the background.
0
Mythology
yaaaaas more NPC backstories! I love that Manwar and Nico are Roommates xD, and that we've learned more about Liz, Nico and Manwar.
I hope we get to learn even more about all the other NPCs
But especially Lukien for meeeee.
I hope we get to learn even more about all the other NPCs
But especially Lukien for meeeee.
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Kevin
@Clopin
it will be better if they do get more fleshed out backstories I think, same goes for all NPCs. They do need more backstory and personality because we don't have much to go on for a lot of them. I feel it's unnecessary to state each npc's gender and sexuality in those though. for some, I am fine with. it shouldn't be a requirement for an npc though. I am glad you're being understanding with me instead of immediately judging me as intolerant.
@whirl
it seems to me that it's the one thing they take away from the items, when someone's sexuality should not matter to someone at all. at least that's how I view it. It's different for the people who post that they are also asexual and love how they now feel represented, I understand that. but people passively saying yay ace npcs or something like that seems like they're missing the point.
it will be better if they do get more fleshed out backstories I think, same goes for all NPCs. They do need more backstory and personality because we don't have much to go on for a lot of them. I feel it's unnecessary to state each npc's gender and sexuality in those though. for some, I am fine with. it shouldn't be a requirement for an npc though. I am glad you're being understanding with me instead of immediately judging me as intolerant.
@whirl
it seems to me that it's the one thing they take away from the items, when someone's sexuality should not matter to someone at all. at least that's how I view it. It's different for the people who post that they are also asexual and love how they now feel represented, I understand that. but people passively saying yay ace npcs or something like that seems like they're missing the point.
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moiphy
@kbbob
people are just excited because they're seeing themselves reflected in characters on a website they enjoy. they're not reducing these characters to labels or ignoring their personalities because of it. they're just making a quick comment about what excited them most about it. i don't see why that's a big deal.
people are just excited because they're seeing themselves reflected in characters on a website they enjoy. they're not reducing these characters to labels or ignoring their personalities because of it. they're just making a quick comment about what excited them most about it. i don't see why that's a big deal.
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Clopin
@kbbob
That's true, and some people do get on a single track when something like this is announced. And I agree that a character's sexuality or gender shouldn't be the only reason you like them. I think people are just excited about this because these two are the first examples Subeta has of asexual characters. But I also agree that yes, we should be seeing more of the characters' backstories and should be looking more at all the hints. Like I would've never thought that Manwar and Liz would be friends till this was introduced. But there's also only so much you can do with items. With these items they felt it was important to flesh out their friendships and what they bonded over. People picked up on one word on that and they focused on it probably because they weren't expecting to see it. That's usually how these newsposts go-- one word or phrase or item sticks out and people jump on it. It'll be nice to see them all eventually get Subetapedia entries though, and one of the things I'm really hoping for this month is seeing more entries. Because yeah, I hate having so many NPC's that are just pictures on a screen to me and have no real story.
@bulleta
Oh no, I understand! I don't get mad at people who do it out of ignorance, but I was talking about directly after the plot, when it was impossible to miss. I miss out on events all the time so I don't expect people to know everything haha. Just the people who call Quentin he/she when there was an official dialogue where their pronouns were used, or people who participated in the event but still interpret Esther and Emma as only good friends, which they are but they're also girlfriends. It's just a matter of whether or not someone truly doesn't know or whether they're willfully ignoring it. It doesn't pay to get mad at people who don't know, especially when I had to learn these things myself too.
That's true, and some people do get on a single track when something like this is announced. And I agree that a character's sexuality or gender shouldn't be the only reason you like them. I think people are just excited about this because these two are the first examples Subeta has of asexual characters. But I also agree that yes, we should be seeing more of the characters' backstories and should be looking more at all the hints. Like I would've never thought that Manwar and Liz would be friends till this was introduced. But there's also only so much you can do with items. With these items they felt it was important to flesh out their friendships and what they bonded over. People picked up on one word on that and they focused on it probably because they weren't expecting to see it. That's usually how these newsposts go-- one word or phrase or item sticks out and people jump on it. It'll be nice to see them all eventually get Subetapedia entries though, and one of the things I'm really hoping for this month is seeing more entries. Because yeah, I hate having so many NPC's that are just pictures on a screen to me and have no real story.
@bulleta
Oh no, I understand! I don't get mad at people who do it out of ignorance, but I was talking about directly after the plot, when it was impossible to miss. I miss out on events all the time so I don't expect people to know everything haha. Just the people who call Quentin he/she when there was an official dialogue where their pronouns were used, or people who participated in the event but still interpret Esther and Emma as only good friends, which they are but they're also girlfriends. It's just a matter of whether or not someone truly doesn't know or whether they're willfully ignoring it. It doesn't pay to get mad at people who don't know, especially when I had to learn these things myself too.
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Sopheroo
If the fact I'm not sexually attracted to anyone makes me a special snowflake, fuck yes.
THIS ME. I'M FUCKING AWESOME. WHERE ARE MY OTHER SPECIAL SNOWFLAKE ACES SO THAT WE CAN MAKE A SPECIAL BROSTORM TOGETHER?
THIS ME. I'M FUCKING AWESOME. WHERE ARE MY OTHER SPECIAL SNOWFLAKE ACES SO THAT WE CAN MAKE A SPECIAL BROSTORM TOGETHER?
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Vermin
I sounded mean in my post, I apologize. I really need to learn to not come off as aggressive.
But my point still stands. Don't rain on other people's parades. Enjoy the cute new items. And if you can't, that's on you, so please don't ruin it for everyone else. If Nico and Liz are happy, just accept their happiness and move on. There's more to Subeta than just it's NPC.
But my point still stands. Don't rain on other people's parades. Enjoy the cute new items. And if you can't, that's on you, so please don't ruin it for everyone else. If Nico and Liz are happy, just accept their happiness and move on. There's more to Subeta than just it's NPC.
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Kevin
@Clopin
it's not so much that there is one line in the items mentioning their sexuality as there is so much attention from these posts on their sexuality. There are many more posts that only mention the sexuality than the other background that these items introduced. It seems that this is the one thing that many people have taken away from the items when in fact there are more details that should have been taken away.
I really don't care what the sexualities are of fake online npcs, or real life people in fact. I try to treat everyone with respect as long as they show it to me. But I would just love to see people judging the NPCs by the fact that they are good friends that have bonded over something other than the fact that they are simply asexual. There are some posts that mention this, and I like that. I would not mind the labeling if people treated and judged the NPCs the same way before and after the label was added.
it's not so much that there is one line in the items mentioning their sexuality as there is so much attention from these posts on their sexuality. There are many more posts that only mention the sexuality than the other background that these items introduced. It seems that this is the one thing that many people have taken away from the items when in fact there are more details that should have been taken away.
I really don't care what the sexualities are of fake online npcs, or real life people in fact. I try to treat everyone with respect as long as they show it to me. But I would just love to see people judging the NPCs by the fact that they are good friends that have bonded over something other than the fact that they are simply asexual. There are some posts that mention this, and I like that. I would not mind the labeling if people treated and judged the NPCs the same way before and after the label was added.
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War
Sees cute items.
Hovers over comments section.
"What could go wrong?"
Click.
Oh Lawd Jesus its a fire
Hovers over comments section.
"What could go wrong?"
Click.
Oh Lawd Jesus its a fire
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Jonquil
I read the news wrong, and thought these were referral shop additions. I'm happy they are forum shop items instead. Yay!
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Clopin
And also yeah, it's totally fine to not want to be labeled and people should respect that. But please don't shame people who embrace their labels. Labels are a way for people to find others like them and to promote a sense of community. They should always be optional. But the people who worked on these characters decided that Nico and Liz would label themselves so yes, they're asexual and that's a label they as characters obviously embrace.
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bulleta
Wait, Esther has a girlfriend? Since when? Was it during the Tempest thing? I don't remember that
0
adakie
Another ace here, and sooo happy to see representation! Had to come out of the woodwork to say so, even though I hardly ever 'talk' on this site. Thanks for giving us these awesome items guys!
Labels don't and shouldn't define us, but they can actually be wonderful and freeing. If you've lived all your life without a word for what and who you are in your heart, and what and who you are doesn't fit into societal norms, you wind up feeling like there must be something wrong with you. Like you're broken or 'nothing'. But then one day you find out 'there's a word for that, you're not broken at all you're just *label* and there's other people just like you'. And it's amazing. At least, that's how it was for me. Just wanted to say that I guess ... *now excuse me while I vanish back into the mist that hides shy people from things like online forums DX *
Labels don't and shouldn't define us, but they can actually be wonderful and freeing. If you've lived all your life without a word for what and who you are in your heart, and what and who you are doesn't fit into societal norms, you wind up feeling like there must be something wrong with you. Like you're broken or 'nothing'. But then one day you find out 'there's a word for that, you're not broken at all you're just *label* and there's other people just like you'. And it's amazing. At least, that's how it was for me. Just wanted to say that I guess ... *now excuse me while I vanish back into the mist that hides shy people from things like online forums DX *
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Clopin
I had a longer comment written but. -shrugs- If you all don't want things to be so explicitly stated, maybe try listening when hints are dropped. Because people are still misgendering Quentin, I saw people treating Esther as if she was straight even right after she was given a girlfriend, and in general people ignore any new representation that crops up unless it's spelled out.
Also, we got a lot more information other than their sexualities so idk what everyone is complaining about. We learned that Nico and Liz are really good friends, that they play video games and board games together, that they cuddle, that Liz's Squidley loves hugs and loves hugging people, that Liz's horns tear holes in pillows and probably other things (imagine how hard it is to get dressed with horns), that Liz, Nico, or Manwar could be vegan, that Manwar hangs out with them sometimes and that Liz might even hang out with Manwar without Nico. I don't understand why that's not enough development just because they're asexual, considering we used to know next to nothing about them and now we can imagine how a day might go in their life. Also, cough cough, can I point out that we still know nothing about the owner of Apocalyptic Apothecary? Defend and Conquer? Spells Galore? Weapons Warehouse? The girl who's run the Accessory Bin for years but is so unfleshed out that I don't even know if she has a name? There are so many characters that need to be fleshed out that I don't understand why stating a character's sexuality isn't worth of being considered information about them or is too 'in your face'.
I don't get why we have to brush people's differences under the rug instead of learning to accept that people are different and that's okay. I LIKE my labels. What I DON'T like is people judging me because of it. Labels are okay and can be affirming for people. Judging people because of a label or labeling people without permission or judging people who choose to label themselves and are happy with that is not.
Also, we got a lot more information other than their sexualities so idk what everyone is complaining about. We learned that Nico and Liz are really good friends, that they play video games and board games together, that they cuddle, that Liz's Squidley loves hugs and loves hugging people, that Liz's horns tear holes in pillows and probably other things (imagine how hard it is to get dressed with horns), that Liz, Nico, or Manwar could be vegan, that Manwar hangs out with them sometimes and that Liz might even hang out with Manwar without Nico. I don't understand why that's not enough development just because they're asexual, considering we used to know next to nothing about them and now we can imagine how a day might go in their life. Also, cough cough, can I point out that we still know nothing about the owner of Apocalyptic Apothecary? Defend and Conquer? Spells Galore? Weapons Warehouse? The girl who's run the Accessory Bin for years but is so unfleshed out that I don't even know if she has a name? There are so many characters that need to be fleshed out that I don't understand why stating a character's sexuality isn't worth of being considered information about them or is too 'in your face'.
I don't get why we have to brush people's differences under the rug instead of learning to accept that people are different and that's okay. I LIKE my labels. What I DON'T like is people judging me because of it. Labels are okay and can be affirming for people. Judging people because of a label or labeling people without permission or judging people who choose to label themselves and are happy with that is not.
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Rakumel
D'aww, those items are adorable. Especially that fleece throw, I want it like, yesterday. XD
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Vermin
Agreeing with @Tserel here. Besides that one line, the entire post is about their friendships and interactions, not their sexuality. That's just the ONLY thing y'all is focusing on. Meaning YOU'RE turning this all into "they're asexual characters who happen to be gamers", not Subeta. I've noticed a few of the comments stating they had HEARD Nico was asexual or these characters were asexual, but weren't sure. This isn't shoving their sexuality in your faces, it's CONFIRMING what some people were confused about. So get your panties out of a twist over this, really. It's childish. Let people be happy there are characters on a site they love and frequent that represent them and they can feel a kinship with and stop trying to rain on their parade. And stop trying to turn a post that gives a bit more back story on NPCs and their regular interactions with others into JUST their sexuality.
Just be happy there are new, adorable items with a little information on characters. And if you can't be, don't spoil the fun for everyone else.
Just be happy there are new, adorable items with a little information on characters. And if you can't be, don't spoil the fun for everyone else.
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Carpathia
@kbbob Probably, that's partially why I keep quiet. But just like the sexuality spectrum, there is more than loving and hating something.
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Carpathia
@kbbob Right, it makes people happy, almost always a good thing, but not everything needs a label. Of course, I also wish that you weren't labeled (there we go again) some kind of -ist or -phobe if you say something that isn't extremely positive.
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bulleta
This comment section turned out exactly as I expected and it's weirding me out
Why can't people just calm down
Why can't people just calm down
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Kevin
@Tserel
most of the comments on this page are about their sexuality though. Sexuality can be hinted at without outright stating it.
Someone asked for a list of NPC sexualities earlier, and the fact that something like that may exist makes me very uncomfortable. Again, too much focus on that, when there could be so much more emphasis on actual personality.
most of the comments on this page are about their sexuality though. Sexuality can be hinted at without outright stating it.
Someone asked for a list of NPC sexualities earlier, and the fact that something like that may exist makes me very uncomfortable. Again, too much focus on that, when there could be so much more emphasis on actual personality.
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Tserel
I think the problem is that everyone is narrowing down too much because it's mentioned? It's literally one line "they met and bonded over this" and everything else, EVERYTHING ELSE, is dedicated to describing their friendships and interactions. Like, this talks a lot more about how they like to hang out, cuddle, play games and eat cookies and oh yeah these 2 people happened to meet bc they were ace. In no way is it narrowing them down to their sexuality or focusing only on it.
*drops mic*
(im not cool enough to mic drop)
*drops mic*
(im not cool enough to mic drop)
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Kevin
@Carpathia
sorta have to agree with you, despite the outpouring of support and stuff, I wish there was not so much emphasis on sexuality. It does seem like we're starting to label everything by gender and sexuality.
I am happy for more representation, and I love how happy people are from the changes, but I am uncomfortable by reducing one's character down to sexuality.
sorta have to agree with you, despite the outpouring of support and stuff, I wish there was not so much emphasis on sexuality. It does seem like we're starting to label everything by gender and sexuality.
I am happy for more representation, and I love how happy people are from the changes, but I am uncomfortable by reducing one's character down to sexuality.
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Cheshire
This is an awesome addition and I'm really happy the staff on this site is so open minded.
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Doodles
To anyone complaining about how tumblr this is, please stop. It's a fact of life. People have *SHOCK* different genders, sexualities, romantic alignments, etc. That's because they're different people. Almost like people are all different. Wow.
ANYWAYS
I love how characters that didn't have much to them are being built up with these really good details of diversity, and gives them personality quirks and helps people visualize their interactions and relationships. It means a lot to see some ace representation, and I hope we get to learn more about Nico, Liz and Manwar soon.
ANYWAYS
I love how characters that didn't have much to them are being built up with these really good details of diversity, and gives them personality quirks and helps people visualize their interactions and relationships. It means a lot to see some ace representation, and I hope we get to learn more about Nico, Liz and Manwar soon.
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Song_745
wow, subeta, how dare you represent minorities. if they're not society's "default," you are literally rubbing it in our faces, and it's totes all about politics and not real people's legit identities. i want more npc's just like me, but not like anyone else, kthx.
Seriously, though, it's fantastic that Subeta can have such diversity on site, instead of shying away from it as so much other media tends to do.
Seriously, though, it's fantastic that Subeta can have such diversity on site, instead of shying away from it as so much other media tends to do.
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Carpathia
I usually keep quiet about these things, I was raised by an old fashioned southern grandma and greatgrandma and one of the things they taught me was "you don't talk about certain things in public." Which includes the internet. So I try to stay away from the religious, political, and now sexual issues.
I do wish it didn't have to be this way, where a character is only, or almost only classified as their sexuality. I'm not picking on Subeta here, but since this is the "issue" right now, here's what I mean. Nico and Manwar haven't been relevant except as shop keepers since what, the first EPICon? Which means what little development they've seen is "They're asexual." Same goes with Liz, I think this is the first time I've seen her included in anything other than her announcement. Ian is about the same, though he got some personality as well last Morostide. Conner got some development as well, and he seems to be gynophobic, a word I recently just learned thanks in part to Fatal Frame V (so yeah, we're always learning) which seems to be less "scared of females in general" and more "scared of females (and everyone) because he stutters."
I was watching Chopped a few nights ago and one of the contestants on there said something that boiled down to "I'm a gay man in a chef's jacket." Which to me says he sees himself more as gay than a chef. "I'm a gay man who happens to be a chef." as opposed to "I'm a chef who just happens to also like men."
Yeah, it makes sense, and if that's how you see yourself fine, but I wish, especially online, it wasn't like that. I like how Kung Jin was handled in Mortal Kombat. They aren't blasting him around (again, not specifically calling out Subeta here) as their first gay kombatant. Apart from a throwaway line (and I say throwaway because until a producer said "Yes, he's gay." there was a lot of "Is he/isn't he?") and a couple of interactions (like Tanya hitting on him and him telling her she's barking up the wrong tree) you don't really know it. They made him a skilled fighter, Shaolin warrior, Special Forces member who happens to be gay. Not a gay man who happens to do those things. You look at his design, and there's nothing stereotypical about him. You wouldn't think it (unless you're a shipper) unless you played story mode or fought him against Tanya.
So what it boils down to me trying to say is this: I do appreciate Subeta being diverse, because let's face it, the world is diverse. I do understand people wanting to be represented on the sexual spectrum, not even going into the terms here because there are so many and I don't even know what half of them mean and I don't want to use the wrong one, I just wish it wasn't all about their character. I wish they didn't have to be labeled in the items they make. Yeah, everyone can't get plot attention, but I do wish there were more NPC interactions (like "Hey, hang out with Nico this weekend on the gaming forum!) which flesh them out more than these items can. It's great seeing the NPCs talk to us, it gives me the feeling of Gaia in the way back when. If staff can't do it, I'm sure dedicated members would be willing to play as the NPCs, given a bio and a short list of dos and don'ts, like not suddenly making Ian crush on Natasha or something.
I do wish it didn't have to be this way, where a character is only, or almost only classified as their sexuality. I'm not picking on Subeta here, but since this is the "issue" right now, here's what I mean. Nico and Manwar haven't been relevant except as shop keepers since what, the first EPICon? Which means what little development they've seen is "They're asexual." Same goes with Liz, I think this is the first time I've seen her included in anything other than her announcement. Ian is about the same, though he got some personality as well last Morostide. Conner got some development as well, and he seems to be gynophobic, a word I recently just learned thanks in part to Fatal Frame V (so yeah, we're always learning) which seems to be less "scared of females in general" and more "scared of females (and everyone) because he stutters."
I was watching Chopped a few nights ago and one of the contestants on there said something that boiled down to "I'm a gay man in a chef's jacket." Which to me says he sees himself more as gay than a chef. "I'm a gay man who happens to be a chef." as opposed to "I'm a chef who just happens to also like men."
Yeah, it makes sense, and if that's how you see yourself fine, but I wish, especially online, it wasn't like that. I like how Kung Jin was handled in Mortal Kombat. They aren't blasting him around (again, not specifically calling out Subeta here) as their first gay kombatant. Apart from a throwaway line (and I say throwaway because until a producer said "Yes, he's gay." there was a lot of "Is he/isn't he?") and a couple of interactions (like Tanya hitting on him and him telling her she's barking up the wrong tree) you don't really know it. They made him a skilled fighter, Shaolin warrior, Special Forces member who happens to be gay. Not a gay man who happens to do those things. You look at his design, and there's nothing stereotypical about him. You wouldn't think it (unless you're a shipper) unless you played story mode or fought him against Tanya.
So what it boils down to me trying to say is this: I do appreciate Subeta being diverse, because let's face it, the world is diverse. I do understand people wanting to be represented on the sexual spectrum, not even going into the terms here because there are so many and I don't even know what half of them mean and I don't want to use the wrong one, I just wish it wasn't all about their character. I wish they didn't have to be labeled in the items they make. Yeah, everyone can't get plot attention, but I do wish there were more NPC interactions (like "Hey, hang out with Nico this weekend on the gaming forum!) which flesh them out more than these items can. It's great seeing the NPCs talk to us, it gives me the feeling of Gaia in the way back when. If staff can't do it, I'm sure dedicated members would be willing to play as the NPCs, given a bio and a short list of dos and don'ts, like not suddenly making Ian crush on Natasha or something.
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Stiles
Lol I'm going to have to start saying hi in every single Forum Topic!! :) You keep making these cute prizes it makes me want them all!
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ChatLunatique
Awww! !!!! I adore this on so many levels. Beautifully drawn, adorable description. the NPC responses in the news comments... :Heart: X10
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AmberEvanesce
Some people have to announce their sexuality or people will try to erase it. Many times, if I compliment a woman or try to flirt with her, people will dismiss it and deliberate twist queer comments into straight ones. It basically goes down like this: "Oh man, her booty is just fantastic. What? No, not in a friendly kinda way. It's my kind of butt. Listen buddy, I said I like her booty, I didn't mean that in a straight way. I'm bi. No dude, I'm bi. I'M BISEXUAL. I WANT TO SNUGGLE HER. Snuggle is not a synonym for shopping. OMG."
So yeah, it'd be nice if even fictional characters didn't have to come out, but they kinda do. The goal here is to make it so normal we erase the closet.
So yeah, it'd be nice if even fictional characters didn't have to come out, but they kinda do. The goal here is to make it so normal we erase the closet.
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Sovereign
take a drink any time there's more representation on this site and someone complains about this being some Tumblr Sjw Funny businessâ„¢ or something on that vein.
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Blaziken
@bailey
I think the difference here is, since asexuality has such little representation (even on the internet) it's just nice to see even a little bit of that here. And the thing is, people DO bond over being asexual (well, any sexuality really), because like I say, such little representation exists for us that when you DO find someone the same as you, it's nice to bond over that.
I think the difference here is, since asexuality has such little representation (even on the internet) it's just nice to see even a little bit of that here. And the thing is, people DO bond over being asexual (well, any sexuality really), because like I say, such little representation exists for us that when you DO find someone the same as you, it's nice to bond over that.
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Bailey_435
I mean I met my friends from being like 'yeah we both like comic books and movies!!!', not like 'hey we both like to fuck and/or not fuck the same people'
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Horror_902
@bailey Ah, okay. I guess because strangers in the real world have no intentions of being anything more than strangers to other people but online most of the time people are looking for others that understand them and connect with them so sharing that gives you a chance to meet others like yourself? This certainly brought asexual players together, didn't it? It's nice to see someone who represents you in a game and it's even nicer to meet other people like you through that.
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Bailey_435
Like I don't disapprove per se, it just makes little question marks appear above my head
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Bailey_435
I'm just saying I don't care about the genders and sexualities of strangers when I go out in the world, and they don't care about mine, but on the internet it is suddenly Extremely Important
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Horror_902
@bailey But the item release was labeled as stuff for best friends? Only one item mentioned they were asexual and that was giving backstory on how they became friends over something they both had in common? Sorry, I'm just sort of confused on how this is suddenly shoving their genders/sexualities in your face or how it at all compares to strangers you meet on the street when these are site-wide known NPCs? I'm just really not understanding your point of view, I guess. Oh well, we can't all agree. :D
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Bailey_435
I'm just saying if people announced their genders and sexualities to strangers in real life the way they do on the internet, walking down the street would be a much weirder experience.
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Horror_902
@bailey Actual asexual NPCs because there are a lot of asexuals who play suddenly equals = THE BAD TUMBLR PLACE ??
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Abaven
The fact that have I always imagined Nico, Manwar, and Liz (and Jade) as friends makes this even more amazing!
Also, Nico and Manwar are roommates? I though Nico lived with his mother, or did he finally move out?
Also, Nico and Manwar are roommates? I though Nico lived with his mother, or did he finally move out?
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Lexx
YESSSSS <3 ACE AND ARO REPRESENTATION. :D Not only is all of this adorable, and gives us more insight into the characters and world, but it is REALISTIC and NON-INSULTING! ;A; So happy to see this right now! So proud to be ACE!
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Rowan
Asexuality is often ignored, so it's really nice for Subeta to recognize it. Thanks for the plushie.
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Armor
THANK YOU for having ace characters! I love that Subeta does its best to represent minority groups, even ones that are often ignored.
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kitestrings
awww!! the descriptions are so cute. this is how i want it to be with my best friend.....
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Sketch
Animes/mangas destroying my life with its chars and couples? OK
Series destroying my life with its chars and couples? OK
Books destroying my life with its chars and couples? OK
Games destroying my life with its chars and couples? OK
Subeta destroying my life with its chars and couples? NOT OK
But please continue like this.
(Now excuse me while I spam the games forum)
Series destroying my life with its chars and couples? OK
Books destroying my life with its chars and couples? OK
Games destroying my life with its chars and couples? OK
Subeta destroying my life with its chars and couples? NOT OK
But please continue like this.
(Now excuse me while I spam the games forum)
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Eiji
I'm glad to see asexuality represented in a respectful, realistic way. I'll admit, when I found out Nico was possibly asexual, I was worried about how that representation would play out (I have some unpopular opinions about certain aspects of gender identity and orientation, including some of the newer terminology), and I'm so happy to see this! Thank you, Subeta, this means a lot to me.
@NPC [Nico]
You're the best and you'll always be my favorite. <3
@NPC [Nico]
You're the best and you'll always be my favorite. <3
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SpiritImmortal
What's better than a hoard of items about a triad of ace cuties?
Actually communicating live with the cuties! ♥
(Serious, the items are wonderful, and Liz, Nico and Manwar are adorable and I want to hug them all, but have you noticed how no other NPCs ever come out to chat?)
Actually communicating live with the cuties! ♥
(Serious, the items are wonderful, and Liz, Nico and Manwar are adorable and I want to hug them all, but have you noticed how no other NPCs ever come out to chat?)
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MarchOnOff
EEEEP! MORE NPC = stuff for my gallery, love, love, love! Will go broke again...again :D but hey, SO worth it! :thumbsup:
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Kisrah
OHMIGOSH YES! <3
I'd heard about Nico being asexual, but it's wonderful to see it confirmed like this. And more ace characters too! :'D
I'd heard about Nico being asexual, but it's wonderful to see it confirmed like this. And more ace characters too! :'D
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CORE
!!!
Here's another ace really excited about the items, and especially the plushies. Made me smile & made my morning. Thank you so much [for the adorable - but proper - representation]! ♥️
Here's another ace really excited about the items, and especially the plushies. Made me smile & made my morning. Thank you so much [for the adorable - but proper - representation]! ♥️
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Muerte
These are amazing. SO AMAZING. All of this. I am so, so happy this has been brought out as more than just stated randomly on site, but point blank in items. Oh gosh I love you.
Platonic Soulmates ♥️♥️ My BFF and I, ahaha
Platonic Soulmates ♥️♥️ My BFF and I, ahaha
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Vermin
Aaah these items are absolutely precious! Nico is by far my favorite NPC and I love learning about him <3 I love learning about all the NPC though and the more I learn about Liz and Manwar, the more I love them ah.
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finilain
All of these are adorable and I love that Subeta is representing so many sexual orientations! Things like this make me love this site even more :)
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Mightyena
yay ;w; asexual representation~
Never thought i would see something like that here
awesome~
Never thought i would see something like that here
awesome~
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[NPC] Liz
@Greg I do like games! Not as much as Nico and Manwar, but, really, does anyone like games as much as those two? I think it's fun to watch Nico play games, too. I always get stuck in parts when I try to play, but he breezes right through!
@CakeMoose Those are ridiculous and if Nico got me some in green and/or orange I would absolutely wear them.
@CakeMoose Those are ridiculous and if Nico got me some in green and/or orange I would absolutely wear them.
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BirdJuice
YES ASEXUAL NPCS!
As someone who is demisexual this makes me really happy to see! Thank you subeta for working towards having more representation of other genders and sexualities on subeta. It means the world to me as I'm sure it does to many others. <3
As someone who is demisexual this makes me really happy to see! Thank you subeta for working towards having more representation of other genders and sexualities on subeta. It means the world to me as I'm sure it does to many others. <3
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QueerDeer
I'm actually literally crying I'm so happy right now I genuinely didn't expect to see my sexuality represented at all, let alone included in a qp relationship!!
oh my god i'm way too emotional but this means so much to ace ppl.
I'm sorry im so happy im ace and aro spectrum and im crying
oh my god i'm way too emotional but this means so much to ace ppl.
I'm sorry im so happy im ace and aro spectrum and im crying
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[NPC] Nico
@Greg ALL THE QUESTIONS. You’ll have to ask Liz specifically about games, but I can say she has joined in a few rounds of board games with us as well as video games! The best thing is just to chill after working all day, you know? Watching movies, playing games, whatever! I wish we had pictures like that now that you’ve brought it up. I like Uno because it’s quick.
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CakeMoose
Liz (since I can't seem to figure out how to ping you)
Luminaire is coming up, Nico should get you some nice knit horn covers ;)
Luminaire is coming up, Nico should get you some nice knit horn covers ;)
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Greg
@User not found: [npc] Nico
Does Liz like games too? Do you hang out at other places too? Do you ever go to Liz's house too? What's your favorite thing to do with her? Do you have any pictures (thinking of those you get from photo booths, as I can totally imagine you using one) you can share with us? Do you prefer Mazes & Mahars or Uno?
Does Liz like games too? Do you hang out at other places too? Do you ever go to Liz's house too? What's your favorite thing to do with her? Do you have any pictures (thinking of those you get from photo booths, as I can totally imagine you using one) you can share with us? Do you prefer Mazes & Mahars or Uno?
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Yuzu
Also, an an Ace, I find it incredibly awesome to finally know who represents me here, thank you. ♥
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moiphy
how cute!! that plushie is the sweetest thing ever and i'm going to get one as soon as i can. good job!
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Cerex
Thank you staff. The representation is something I wasn't expecting, but I'm so happy for it.
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Espi_Kitsune
These are so precious, I need them all, like, right now!
Also; Finally a site I frequent is representing asexuality in a way that isn't degrading or child-like to us! Thank you guys so much! *joins in the Ace snuggle pile*
Also; Finally a site I frequent is representing asexuality in a way that isn't degrading or child-like to us! Thank you guys so much! *joins in the Ace snuggle pile*
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Azzie
These are precious! I'll be hunting through the forums for tickets for these (both for me and for my best friend!)
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CakeMoose
This is so cute, I'm going to enjoy the moment before some random user shows up and ruins it.
Also cracking up on the thought that went into realizing Liz must wreck pillows with her horns x)
Also cracking up on the thought that went into realizing Liz must wreck pillows with her horns x)
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Lag
So cute! *o* And I'm loving the asexual representation! This just made my day :D Especially since Liz was already one of my favourite characters!
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marvel
Not only one, but two aces?! I'm so pleased you don't even know.
(also pls increase point rates)
(also pls increase point rates)
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Tserel
"they're covered in tentacle marks just as often as Liz is"
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(no but srsly that sounds... lmao. also kind of painful- sucker burn ow)
( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)
(no but srsly that sounds... lmao. also kind of painful- sucker burn ow)
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Speiro
Ok so now I'm imagining Manwar and Nico as Rod and Nicky from Avenue Q? This is kind of amazing.
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Sleeb
omg, there is so much amazing in this post!
That indoor BG, the platonic soulmates! UGH. I adore it.
That indoor BG, the platonic soulmates! UGH. I adore it.
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Synth
These are all awesome, i love 'em! Especially Squidley. I'm glad that sticker only costs 1 point because i need several!
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Cobaltbluetoo
Hey guys, let's see some tickets once in a while! Love these items, would love to get them.
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