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Equality reigned supreme today in America, with the Supreme Court ruling that marriage is be legal no matter your sexuality. We\'ve got a new Free Gift to celebrate today!
Although this isn\'t the end of the fight for LGBT rights, but it\'s a great moment to celebrate.
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Heterofriends: Subeta - a site that has always had a vocal and thriving LGBT population - is celebrating a monumental day in the fight for equal rights for gays, lesbians, bisexuals, et al. Please do not make this All About You. I assure you that your regularly-scheduled heterosexual status quo will be returned to shortly.
Man, straight people trying to claim oppression of any sort towards them is just the hot new trend to silence others, eh ?
Deeply sorry you feel uncomfortable or unwanted because of a joke about the site going 'all gay' in response to a disapproving comment regarding the meaning behind this item. Why don't you go sit and think about the actual horrors other people face on a daily basis. How many LGBT+ people are murdered, disowned, kicked out of their houses, get fired, the ridicule from family and strangers alike, the harassment, physical abuse, mental and emotional abuse, commit suicide, self harm, get raped, etc... On a daily basis.
And no, not everybody is gay. No one ever said that. But not everyone is straight, either. You see, Subeta is actually one of the very few placed with legit character representation for ace and aro people. If the site coming up with ways to represent non-straight people upsets you... Imagine how it is to have so many queer characters magically turn straight in media. I can give you a list of characters off the top of my head right now that you straight people have taken and changed to be straight, stripping away our already minimal amount of representation.
Imagine how that feels. Unwanted. Like monsters. Diseased creatures to be hidden away. It is a daily reminder of how little we have actually come where we aren't allowed to be seen. We aren't allowed in your spaces. Because in your spaces, we risk death and complete erasure.
So, sorry you feel so hurt over a minimal joke on a little site. I'll remember that the next time I fear for my safety.
Deeply sorry you feel uncomfortable or unwanted because of a joke about the site going 'all gay' in response to a disapproving comment regarding the meaning behind this item. Why don't you go sit and think about the actual horrors other people face on a daily basis. How many LGBT+ people are murdered, disowned, kicked out of their houses, get fired, the ridicule from family and strangers alike, the harassment, physical abuse, mental and emotional abuse, commit suicide, self harm, get raped, etc... On a daily basis.
And no, not everybody is gay. No one ever said that. But not everyone is straight, either. You see, Subeta is actually one of the very few placed with legit character representation for ace and aro people. If the site coming up with ways to represent non-straight people upsets you... Imagine how it is to have so many queer characters magically turn straight in media. I can give you a list of characters off the top of my head right now that you straight people have taken and changed to be straight, stripping away our already minimal amount of representation.
Imagine how that feels. Unwanted. Like monsters. Diseased creatures to be hidden away. It is a daily reminder of how little we have actually come where we aren't allowed to be seen. We aren't allowed in your spaces. Because in your spaces, we risk death and complete erasure.
So, sorry you feel so hurt over a minimal joke on a little site. I'll remember that the next time I fear for my safety.
People need to remember Heterosexual didn't chose to be that way, we were born like that way. I have nothing against LGBT but I don't want the site to go all gay. LGBT says they didn't chose to be LGBT but straight people didn't choose to be straight either. Please be respectful.
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Cerredwyn One Halloween on Castro St. they closed the bars early on us. The cry was "We're here! We're Queer! We're outta Beer!!!!" close enough?
Yay for this decision! it's long overdue! 9Tosses rainbow confetti)
Cerredwyn One Halloween on Castro St. they closed the bars early on us. The cry was "We're here! We're Queer! We're outta Beer!!!!" close enough?Yay for this decision! it's long overdue! 9Tosses rainbow confetti)
Thanks for the cake :) It took me some time to figure out what was i looking at. hahaha. i was tired u.u
Perhaps, now that the US took this step, other countries will follow suit. We can't deny that many things happening in USA affect people everywhere for some reason. To whoever is gay and not from US: don't lose hope as things will change for you too.
It's really nice to hear that now nobody can bully gays in USA - it would be against the law ;)
Perhaps, now that the US took this step, other countries will follow suit. We can't deny that many things happening in USA affect people everywhere for some reason. To whoever is gay and not from US: don't lose hope as things will change for you too.
It's really nice to hear that now nobody can bully gays in USA - it would be against the law ;)
Reading some comments on here I feel really unwanted as heterosexual person..
All people talk about to respect gay, lesbian.. relatioships, sexuallities (an all others as well) but somhow I get the feeling as "Hetero" I am like some illness here.. only to say that..
And sorry.. comments like "I want the site to go all gay.." of people here are off in my eyes.. cause here are a lot other too, that play the site, that like the balance the site has atm.. not everybody is gay.. so please respect that people as well as you want to be respected.
All people talk about to respect gay, lesbian.. relatioships, sexuallities (an all others as well) but somhow I get the feeling as "Hetero" I am like some illness here.. only to say that..
And sorry.. comments like "I want the site to go all gay.." of people here are off in my eyes.. cause here are a lot other too, that play the site, that like the balance the site has atm.. not everybody is gay.. so please respect that people as well as you want to be respected.
some comment-sections are really ....different
but it's a cute gift and wohooo for the accomplishment! c: congrats to everyone!
but it's a cute gift and wohooo for the accomplishment! c: congrats to everyone!
@Life
pretty much one side goes by how the law should be and the other side bases things on their own personal beliefs and not how the constitution is actually supposed to work.
Not saying this with any judgement, though I could.
it's been the same debate for a long time and I honestly don't see how it has gone on this long.
pretty much one side goes by how the law should be and the other side bases things on their own personal beliefs and not how the constitution is actually supposed to work.
Not saying this with any judgement, though I could.
it's been the same debate for a long time and I honestly don't see how it has gone on this long.
@kbbob yeah that was kind of the whole point, of all if it. One side arguing against it for religious/moral grounds, and the other side saying, at least as a legal standpoint in these cases, that religious matters have nothing to do with things like filing taxes, willing your estate to heirs, visiting your children in the hospital, things like that. That was the basis for SCOTUS' decision, I believe, although I haven't read the entire thing yet.
I can't specifically respond to some of the comments that seem to be "off base" because some people don't seem to be making sense.
I just want to point something out. Marriage is a LEGAL contract that SOME people choose to sanction by getting married in a church. Churches perform marriages BUT when any two people get married (no matter WHERE they get married) they must obtain a marriage license which is usually issued by the county clerk and is THE first step to legitimizing the marriage and to (thereby) granting the participants in the marriage all the legal protections (such as health insurance for the spouse as well as inheritance if one precedes the other in death) that marriage is intended to provide. When there is a HUGE group of people who are denied the privilege of marriage based solely on their sexual-affectional orientation that is a HUGE violation of basic human rights (equal rights) that are granted by the constitution of the US. It's wrong to deny those rights to ANYONE who is a citizen of the US.
I honestly don't understand why anyone would think that a church is going to be forced to perform a marriage for a gay couple--separation of church and state, don't they teach that anymore??
The separation of church and state grants freedom of religion (as long as the church follows laws such as "it's a crime to kill" so no human sacrifice, or any sacrifice of any life, actually, which I realize might be out of line with SOME religions, but that's a completely different topic). Therefore, churches would never be forced to perform marriages that are not in line with their doctrines.
By the same token--religious beliefs are NOT supposed to stand in the way of matters of state. Marriage is a matter of state and should NOT be denied to anyone just because some religions don't support it. It's unfortunate that when our forefathers wrote the constitution they did not foresee the issues of being gay since people who were gay hundreds of years ago had to be SO deeply in the closet that many were not even "out" to themselves. That's why those wise men who wrote it (along with the women who helped them) thought to include something called "amendments" which allow changes to the original ideas that founded this country.
Thank you @Life for explaining to those who don't understand all that you did, and thank you @Inknote for the ping. Yes, let us be more gay than ever on this site I find it hard to believe that there are people here who are as offended as some seem to be, I'm 60, I've been around the block, this supreme court vote was WAY overdue. People who don't understand why this is so important MAY be those who have never had to question the issue of human rights. If you're not aware of the injustices that the LGBT community have suffered for so many years this might be a good time to try to educate yourself.
"We're here, we're queer, get used to it" (does anyone still say that?) I'm getting REALLY old and I might be out of the loop, but I haven't lost my ability to attempt to teach people what I believe is basic and good.
I just want to point something out. Marriage is a LEGAL contract that SOME people choose to sanction by getting married in a church. Churches perform marriages BUT when any two people get married (no matter WHERE they get married) they must obtain a marriage license which is usually issued by the county clerk and is THE first step to legitimizing the marriage and to (thereby) granting the participants in the marriage all the legal protections (such as health insurance for the spouse as well as inheritance if one precedes the other in death) that marriage is intended to provide. When there is a HUGE group of people who are denied the privilege of marriage based solely on their sexual-affectional orientation that is a HUGE violation of basic human rights (equal rights) that are granted by the constitution of the US. It's wrong to deny those rights to ANYONE who is a citizen of the US.
I honestly don't understand why anyone would think that a church is going to be forced to perform a marriage for a gay couple--separation of church and state, don't they teach that anymore??
The separation of church and state grants freedom of religion (as long as the church follows laws such as "it's a crime to kill" so no human sacrifice, or any sacrifice of any life, actually, which I realize might be out of line with SOME religions, but that's a completely different topic). Therefore, churches would never be forced to perform marriages that are not in line with their doctrines.
By the same token--religious beliefs are NOT supposed to stand in the way of matters of state. Marriage is a matter of state and should NOT be denied to anyone just because some religions don't support it. It's unfortunate that when our forefathers wrote the constitution they did not foresee the issues of being gay since people who were gay hundreds of years ago had to be SO deeply in the closet that many were not even "out" to themselves. That's why those wise men who wrote it (along with the women who helped them) thought to include something called "amendments" which allow changes to the original ideas that founded this country.
Thank you @Life for explaining to those who don't understand all that you did, and thank you @Inknote for the ping. Yes, let us be more gay than ever on this site I find it hard to believe that there are people here who are as offended as some seem to be, I'm 60, I've been around the block, this supreme court vote was WAY overdue. People who don't understand why this is so important MAY be those who have never had to question the issue of human rights. If you're not aware of the injustices that the LGBT community have suffered for so many years this might be a good time to try to educate yourself.
"We're here, we're queer, get used to it" (does anyone still say that?) I'm getting REALLY old and I might be out of the loop, but I haven't lost my ability to attempt to teach people what I believe is basic and good.
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@Muerte Next holiday i'll make sure to share some dirt and maybe even get Manwar to post some!
Also side note - the statement or idea that 'the Christian churches are opposed to same sex anything' is highly innacurate as it is a blanket statement that leaves out many formidable rank and file of Christian churches that are indeed not opposed. Please research before making such assumptions :)
It's nice that Subeta is overwhelmingly supportive of this kind of thing, it can seem commonplace to be accepting but there's plenty of online places that aren't so nice.
Also, waaaahh lovely NPCs posting! I guess I don't hang out around event forums enough because I don't see you guys very often.
Also, waaaahh lovely NPCs posting! I guess I don't hang out around event forums enough because I don't see you guys very often.
@ anyone interested
The government can not force churches to perform a marriage ceremony. Marriage as defined by law, and a marriage ceremony in a church, are two different things. Most churches have governing bodies that meet at least once a year to make decisions about things like that, and many of them have already decided one way or another on parts of this issue or the whole. For example, the ELCA (Evangelical Lutheran Church in America) voted at its national assembly in 2009 to allow gays and lesbians to be ordained as pastors withing the ELCA branch of the Lutheran church.
In 1976, the General Convention of the Episcopal Church declared that “homosexual persons are children of God who have a full and equal claim with all other persons upon the love, acceptance, and pastoral concern and care of the Church." In 2012 they authorized a provisional rite of blessing for same-gender relationships.
One of the more liberal branches of Judiasm, in some of there communities, perform ceremonies for same-sex couples. There are lots of churches/religious groups that already do this. The ones that don't, don't. The government is not going to, and does not have the legal right (or desire, I promise you) to force that upon any religious group.
Today's ruling is in regards to civil rights regarding domestic matters. It does not affect churches in any legal way.
The government can not force churches to perform a marriage ceremony. Marriage as defined by law, and a marriage ceremony in a church, are two different things. Most churches have governing bodies that meet at least once a year to make decisions about things like that, and many of them have already decided one way or another on parts of this issue or the whole. For example, the ELCA (Evangelical Lutheran Church in America) voted at its national assembly in 2009 to allow gays and lesbians to be ordained as pastors withing the ELCA branch of the Lutheran church.
In 1976, the General Convention of the Episcopal Church declared that “homosexual persons are children of God who have a full and equal claim with all other persons upon the love, acceptance, and pastoral concern and care of the Church." In 2012 they authorized a provisional rite of blessing for same-gender relationships.
One of the more liberal branches of Judiasm, in some of there communities, perform ceremonies for same-sex couples. There are lots of churches/religious groups that already do this. The ones that don't, don't. The government is not going to, and does not have the legal right (or desire, I promise you) to force that upon any religious group.
Today's ruling is in regards to civil rights regarding domestic matters. It does not affect churches in any legal way.
ALSO, traditional marriage wasn't really marriage. It was a passage of ownership.
"Here is my daughter, who is still young enough to be deemed a child, do with her as you wish."
Ah, yes, traditional marriage. So good.
"Here is my daughter, who is still young enough to be deemed a child, do with her as you wish."
Ah, yes, traditional marriage. So good.
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So is God ;) And Jesus didn't judge anyone, never said the word hell, and would have been the first to say that hatred/discrimination was a terrible thing. But, I digress.Quote:Marriage is older than Christianity.Because I believe in traditional marriage?
Back to celebrating!
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I'm freaking dying thank you holy shit. Love dem people who think they invented the idea of marriage.@Sopheroo
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Because I believe in traditional marriage?
Marriage is older than Christianity.
@Muerte
I know right I nearly cried too. ;_;
Don't you love it when you get great ideas that you totally didnt mean but GOSH they're good. I will not be satisfied until I know everything about everyone ever XD
@time4majic You are welcome to your personal views insofar as it effects your person. Also, the pro-LGBT baker -was- investigated but since she made an accommodation (such as offering the icing required to write the hateful message rather than writing it herself), that was dismissed. She still provided her services to the man, regardless of her personal beliefs.
I am very sorry that you equate your profession with becoming involved with a same-sex relationship when you are doing nothing more than photographing the happiest moment of a different person's life - one that otherwise doesn't effect you - and being paid to do so.
I am very sorry that you equate your profession with becoming involved with a same-sex relationship when you are doing nothing more than photographing the happiest moment of a different person's life - one that otherwise doesn't effect you - and being paid to do so.
CRYING BECAUSE OF NICO AND LIZ RIGHT NOW. I LOVE YOU.
@Inknote
I am always here for more NPC info ! I wanna know all the dirt.
@Sopheroo
Yeah, I am not big on IRL Pride for reasons (ew, public with loads of people… in hot weather). And because of how we do exclude aces, trans*, non-binary, bi, etc. And not just the ones in hetero-romantic relationships. It sucks and I am so sorry. Growing up with multiple bi and pan people around I thankfully never got behind that ignorance (though obviously not perfect in any way). Being gay does not excuse my ignorances in the past and I hope that others within our "family" grow and learn to be more accepting of, well, ourselves.
But Subeta could do it right, even if it's something like a booth within an event. I wasn't serious with my initial Pride Month comment, but I'd be a liar if I said I wouldn't love something like it.
@Inknote
I am always here for more NPC info ! I wanna know all the dirt.
@Sopheroo
Yeah, I am not big on IRL Pride for reasons (ew, public with loads of people… in hot weather). And because of how we do exclude aces, trans*, non-binary, bi, etc. And not just the ones in hetero-romantic relationships. It sucks and I am so sorry. Growing up with multiple bi and pan people around I thankfully never got behind that ignorance (though obviously not perfect in any way). Being gay does not excuse my ignorances in the past and I hope that others within our "family" grow and learn to be more accepting of, well, ourselves.
But Subeta could do it right, even if it's something like a booth within an event. I wasn't serious with my initial Pride Month comment, but I'd be a liar if I said I wouldn't love something like it.
@time4majic "actually since I am a photographer your statement wouldn't normal be true. I can now be sued for my livelyhood if my views don't match up with theirs and I refuse to take their pictures. As of today I am no longer a wedding photographer."
That's not at all true. You are welcome to have whatever views you like. But actions and beliefs aren't the same thing; and you don't get to do whatever you want because of what you believe. Don't treat people like second-class citizens and you'll be fine. And if you just can't stop yourself from doing that? That's not anyone else's fault or problem.
That's not at all true. You are welcome to have whatever views you like. But actions and beliefs aren't the same thing; and you don't get to do whatever you want because of what you believe. Don't treat people like second-class citizens and you'll be fine. And if you just can't stop yourself from doing that? That's not anyone else's fault or problem.
@Varsna so how am I prejudiced? Because I believe in traditional marriage? Wow so since I am a Christian I now have to abide by what is in my religion a sin and am being forced to participate in what is considered a sin and if I don't I get sued even tho there is a competitor down the street that would take their picture, yet when a LGBT baker is asked to make a cake that doesn't conform to their views it is ok for them to say no or a photographer who is a LGBT photographer doesn't want to do a straight marriage it is ok for them to discriminate and get away with it. Good luck in my new career? I just won't shoot weddings I can still sell nature pics. Have a good night.
This scares me. The Christian churches (Catholics included) are opposed to same sex anything. While this has been legalized (and even though I'm Bi, I oppose the legalization), I hope that churches are not going to be forced to marry same sex couples as it goes against their beliefs. If that happens, there probably would be blood on the moon.
Like I said - I'm against same sex marriage. I'm not against LGTB and all the sexualities in between. I'm one of them. If they want to get married, that's their prerogative. I'm not one to put down, bash, belittle or in any way conceivable hurt same sex couples for wanting to marry. I am not one to support or promote, but I will not discriminate.
That being said, there needs to be reciprocated, mutual respect between both sides - those that are all in and those who aren't in at all in regards to same sex marriage. Those who are opposed for whatever their reasons, those who are for it should show them the respect and dignity they deserve. Those who are for same sex marriage should show equal respect and dignity to those who are opposed.
Yes there will always be the two sides. Maybe even a minority third group who is indifferent. That doesn't mean the two sides should be at each others' throats for the decision of others. Respect begets respect.
I have no issues with two men loving each other or two women loving each other or a man and a woman loving each other. Like I said - I'm Bi. I have a distant relative who is Trans. I have my own views on what marriage should be. Does that change my respect, dignity and courtesy for their decisions? Absolutely not.
All I can say is - don't force churches and other religions to perform marriages that go against their beliefs. That would be the cruelest thing that could ever be imposed upon them and would be showing absolutely no respect, dignity or courtesy for the belief systems that they have in place and teach.
Like I said - I'm against same sex marriage. I'm not against LGTB and all the sexualities in between. I'm one of them. If they want to get married, that's their prerogative. I'm not one to put down, bash, belittle or in any way conceivable hurt same sex couples for wanting to marry. I am not one to support or promote, but I will not discriminate.
That being said, there needs to be reciprocated, mutual respect between both sides - those that are all in and those who aren't in at all in regards to same sex marriage. Those who are opposed for whatever their reasons, those who are for it should show them the respect and dignity they deserve. Those who are for same sex marriage should show equal respect and dignity to those who are opposed.
Yes there will always be the two sides. Maybe even a minority third group who is indifferent. That doesn't mean the two sides should be at each others' throats for the decision of others. Respect begets respect.
I have no issues with two men loving each other or two women loving each other or a man and a woman loving each other. Like I said - I'm Bi. I have a distant relative who is Trans. I have my own views on what marriage should be. Does that change my respect, dignity and courtesy for their decisions? Absolutely not.
All I can say is - don't force churches and other religions to perform marriages that go against their beliefs. That would be the cruelest thing that could ever be imposed upon them and would be showing absolutely no respect, dignity or courtesy for the belief systems that they have in place and teach.
@time4majic
That's sort of your fault, though? For being so prejudice that it's now become unconstitutional...?
Best of luck in your new career, though!
That's sort of your fault, though? For being so prejudice that it's now become unconstitutional...?
Best of luck in your new career, though!
I'm actually quite grateful to the people leaving negative, petty comments, because now I know who to avoid like the plague. the cake is just a bonus. :+1:
@Varsna actually since I am a photographer your statement wouldn't normal be true. I can now be sued for my livelyhood if my views don't match up with theirs and I refuse to take their pictures. As of today I am no longer a wedding photographer.
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As you can see from this newspost, not everything is won. There are still so many issues to fix, starting with adoption, inheritance and insurance rights, and so much more. Th battle is not won, it has just begun.Your side won, congrats. Now lets move on.
Also, congrats to Mexico's Supreme Court as well! Why?
http://www.nytimes.com/2015/06/15/world/americas/with-little-fanfare-mexican-supreme-court-effectively-legalizes-same-sex-marriage.html?_r=0
@time4majic
I'm sorry but "not being on the side of LGBT" is being against basic human rights and supporting the suffering, death, and trauma that people go through for being who they are.
Sorry our happiness at being treated as equal human beings is "throwing it in your face", though! I'll have more sympathy when straight folk are being persecuted, ostracized, and/or murdered. Oh, and not dominating the media with a full array of representation and special privileges.
It's a pixel cake and a lot of weddings you won't even go to. Don't worry so much, yo.
I'm sorry but "not being on the side of LGBT" is being against basic human rights and supporting the suffering, death, and trauma that people go through for being who they are.
Sorry our happiness at being treated as equal human beings is "throwing it in your face", though! I'll have more sympathy when straight folk are being persecuted, ostracized, and/or murdered. Oh, and not dominating the media with a full array of representation and special privileges.
It's a pixel cake and a lot of weddings you won't even go to. Don't worry so much, yo.
Beautiful item for a beautiful day! Yes there are many more battles ahead but that doesn't mean you can't celebrate the victories as they come too!
So very glad to see this happen at last. :revolving_hearts: throws love-y stuff in with User not found: tinyyettangy 's rainbow-y stuff in the DC.
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@Muerte Man, how many times do I have to tell people? You must not frequent the SB or the event forums.
I think this should be for the other side of the tracks also. You throw it in our faces and feel that you can degrade anyone that is not on the side of the LGBT. As one person on here said if you can't say something nice then don't say it at all. Your side won, congrats. Now lets move on.
Don’t Be That Guy
Think of what a jerk would do, and then don’t do that thing. No racism, sexism, homophobia, transphobia, or other types of phobia/ism/hate speech, no matter how subtle you think you’re being! Remember, “freedom of speech†only applies to freedom from government persecution, it doesn’t mean everyone else has to put up with your gross behavior.
I think this should be for the other side of the tracks also. You throw it in our faces and feel that you can degrade anyone that is not on the side of the LGBT
Think of what a jerk would do, and then don’t do that thing. No racism, sexism, homophobia, transphobia, or other types of phobia/ism/hate speech, no matter how subtle you think you’re being! Remember, “freedom of speech†only applies to freedom from government persecution, it doesn’t mean everyone else has to put up with your gross behavior.
I think this should be for the other side of the tracks also. You throw it in our faces and feel that you can degrade anyone that is not on the side of the LGBT