Introducing Project Kumos!
WHAT IS PROJECT KUMOS?
WHAT THIS MEANS TO SITE USERS
TLDR; the Kumos Project is a test environment to build new stuff and THEN add it to subeta.net. Subeta.net features are not being taken away and will continue working! The Kumos Project is a way for you to see and interact with new stuff before it's implemented, as well as give feedback.
We look forward to seeing you on kumos.subeta.net for the Kumos Project, and having more fun together on Subeta!
Posted by Galaxia
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@Reaper
I hope that's the case. The new project mentioned about building and adding new stuff, although I'm not sure how existing stuff will be managed, especially those which need fixing. I hope it can also serve as a test environment for existing stuff that needs to be updated or fixed.
I hope that's the case. The new project mentioned about building and adding new stuff, although I'm not sure how existing stuff will be managed, especially those which need fixing. I hope it can also serve as a test environment for existing stuff that needs to be updated or fixed.
Okay this has been a bad week and my mind is fried tbh, can I get a basic explanation if this means subeta.net will still be the main site once the changes are implemented, or will subeta.net now be known as kumos.subeta.net sorry not thinking just need to know which one we'll be logging into from now on. Will this change the new subeta old subeta layout? I need the desktop layout because I can't find anything on mobile. Thank you, sorry ❤
Honestly I can't imagine how hard it must be to work with a site this old. This definitely sounds like the easier option, since it means nobody on the main site has to deal with any unexpected problems.
@Rocketlauncher
That is the goal - which I can definitely see is confusing here with how this is explained. It would be helpful to probably move over at least Keith's main forum post discussing the what and why that he posted on the kumos mirror over here even if it's a locked thread so folks get a better understanding of what's going on. A basic rundown below:
He can't do a lot of what he's talked about because too much of the site code is too old and breaks when trying to integrate. What he did was build things that "work for now" at the expense of the later where they may break down or not integrate or need to be redone. He's been piecemeal redoing things but it just breaks other things when he does. The kumos site is a way to work ground up on fixing infrastructure and testing it and making sure it can integrate in the things that cannot be easily redone before bringing those parts to the actual main site. And he's trying to build them in a way that will make future updates and integration actually work rather than breaking things down the line. People are mentioning Homesteading which is a new feature, but the purpose is to hopefully stick the pets you're not actively using off to the side so all of their data isn't being loaded in every single page (they'll still be there and they can do other tasks to help with site engagement and that will benefit users eventually with boosts and buffs and stuff - but they won't be calling all of the data about the pet and its stats and its petpage coding and its tc contents etc). He admitted he made mistakes doing new.subeta and auth.subeta in trying to build things pieced out still too much and one at a time, so this is a hopeful overhaul, inspired in part by that other famous pet site getting itself new ownership and trying to relaunch with new energy. He also said he did try to price out coding help to have the site rebuilt by a team but it was $180k at the cheapest and Subeta cannot float that and does not have the new user numbers to justify a loan or business investment like that from a bank etc.
That is the goal - which I can definitely see is confusing here with how this is explained. It would be helpful to probably move over at least Keith's main forum post discussing the what and why that he posted on the kumos mirror over here even if it's a locked thread so folks get a better understanding of what's going on. A basic rundown below:
He can't do a lot of what he's talked about because too much of the site code is too old and breaks when trying to integrate. What he did was build things that "work for now" at the expense of the later where they may break down or not integrate or need to be redone. He's been piecemeal redoing things but it just breaks other things when he does. The kumos site is a way to work ground up on fixing infrastructure and testing it and making sure it can integrate in the things that cannot be easily redone before bringing those parts to the actual main site. And he's trying to build them in a way that will make future updates and integration actually work rather than breaking things down the line. People are mentioning Homesteading which is a new feature, but the purpose is to hopefully stick the pets you're not actively using off to the side so all of their data isn't being loaded in every single page (they'll still be there and they can do other tasks to help with site engagement and that will benefit users eventually with boosts and buffs and stuff - but they won't be calling all of the data about the pet and its stats and its petpage coding and its tc contents etc). He admitted he made mistakes doing new.subeta and auth.subeta in trying to build things pieced out still too much and one at a time, so this is a hopeful overhaul, inspired in part by that other famous pet site getting itself new ownership and trying to relaunch with new energy. He also said he did try to price out coding help to have the site rebuilt by a team but it was $180k at the cheapest and Subeta cannot float that and does not have the new user numbers to justify a loan or business investment like that from a bank etc.
Thanks for the updates! Pull the band-aid right off, and let's get this going! We will be fine and adapt to any changes/issues, like always. I'm grateful for Subeta for keeping the site up and not selling out or shutting down. We appreciate everything, and are entitled to nothing. Everything will be okay, and most of us will support you - regardless. 🤗
@Galaxia Thanks for answering, I think I'm getting it now.
If I get this right, INSTEAD of updating the main code to modern standards bit by bit and from the root, that was, I think, the diretion new.subeta was going to? the kumos.project is working ON the oldie code... bones? standards? structure? but adding a new process to new content that will it make easier to be updated?
I'm going on the right direction here?
And now I get the kumos site is a optative option, like, a closed testing park to get the next update ready before implementing it on regular subeta, but,not mandatory and not future site to move all the page content.
If I get this right, INSTEAD of updating the main code to modern standards bit by bit and from the root, that was, I think, the diretion new.subeta was going to? the kumos.project is working ON the oldie code... bones? standards? structure? but adding a new process to new content that will it make easier to be updated?
I'm going on the right direction here?
And now I get the kumos site is a optative option, like, a closed testing park to get the next update ready before implementing it on regular subeta, but,not mandatory and not future site to move all the page content.
WOW, after reading @Keith note on this system and what it has taken to get here, and what it will take moving forward, and I REALLY excited for this,
And thank you so much for caring enough to troubleshoot and create etc. It's made me rethink my frustrations of the past. I wish this communication
had been done sooner, it really gives perspective and I feel a lot differently and more positively not only about the sites moving forward, but what you've
been striving towards in the past. I hope this open communication and behind the scenes looks continue, it's eye-opening and I'm really appreciative being
able to see the work that's gone into this. Thank you, Keith!
And thank you so much for caring enough to troubleshoot and create etc. It's made me rethink my frustrations of the past. I wish this communication
had been done sooner, it really gives perspective and I feel a lot differently and more positively not only about the sites moving forward, but what you've
been striving towards in the past. I hope this open communication and behind the scenes looks continue, it's eye-opening and I'm really appreciative being
able to see the work that's gone into this. Thank you, Keith!
@BoaConstrictor
Oh and playing on Kumos is just an added bonus but not a must for playing on Subeta. So you can continue to just enjoy your time on Subeta and leave Kumos alone. Up to you. :)
Oh and playing on Kumos is just an added bonus but not a must for playing on Subeta. So you can continue to just enjoy your time on Subeta and leave Kumos alone. Up to you. :)
@Bliss and @BoaConstrictor
I just put in my old password when I got the reset link. You do not have to make up a new password now. It is recommended that you make a new password every 3 to 6months. ;)
I just put in my old password when I got the reset link. You do not have to make up a new password now. It is recommended that you make a new password every 3 to 6months. ;)
I'm dreading the reset password, contact through e-mail, etc. Always close to a heart attack for fear I'll be locked out of my account for ever!
So we do not have to do anything or log in at Kumos, but can keep playing here? For the time being, at least? Like I've never used new.subeta except for wardrobe and borders. Kumos is just a test or project for the future, like that other thing many, many years ago and the GA special trials?
I’m going to endeavor to remain open minded and optimistic. I’m honestly just very thankful and excited that the team is working on improving/changing/expanding Subeta. Sometimes it’s so sleepy around here it can feel forgotten. I am glad to see Subeta still lives and has people that want to make it better!
me, logging off my engineering meeting at my SaaS support job: ahh, time to relax
me: opens subeta
me: AHHHHH NOOO
kidding tho, this is exciting! sounds like a great idea that will help move things forward more easily. to anyone that's worried: this is a good thing. source: bro just trust me
me: opens subeta
me: AHHHHH NOOO
kidding tho, this is exciting! sounds like a great idea that will help move things forward more easily. to anyone that's worried: this is a good thing. source: bro just trust me
While a test environment is very useful, it would be helpful to give the same attention to existing things that needs to be fixed. Many of them are idle for such a long time, some with announcements and nothing new after that.
Do I have to change my password right away or can I wait for some of the bugs to clear first..?
I love crazy things like this. Doing the Homestead is a bit chaotic now, but it's nice to see things being developed.
Just got back from the store & haven't had time to read all the comments, but my take on this is if we don't want to or don't have the time to check out new stuff then we just don't need to do anything.
@Galaxia
Thanks :) I'm in Israel and between siren and rockets, this is my second home, Subeta. I must admit I am in freakout mode every time there is a change, especially when I don't understand much, or at all...and when it happened before that Subeta went poof...
Thanks :) I'm in Israel and between siren and rockets, this is my second home, Subeta. I must admit I am in freakout mode every time there is a change, especially when I don't understand much, or at all...and when it happened before that Subeta went poof...
@MarchOnOff
All of that, CSC and galleries and subscriptions and outfits and battling and everything, will stay as it is and be usable on subeta.net. Keith will test new things on kumos.subeta.net and then bring them over when they're ready, but it won't take anything away from you. This is an addition to and a way to improve the main subeta.net experience rather than a complete redo on short notice, promise!
All of that, CSC and galleries and subscriptions and outfits and battling and everything, will stay as it is and be usable on subeta.net. Keith will test new things on kumos.subeta.net and then bring them over when they're ready, but it won't take anything away from you. This is an addition to and a way to improve the main subeta.net experience rather than a complete redo on short notice, promise!
The password I created for Kumos does not work for regular Subeta, it still requires my current/previous password. I am not going to change any more passwords until we get further clarification on this, thanks!
sit on couch, chill with music and wait to do anything till everybody say, yesss i understand all and all is working... 😄 than and only than I roll out my red carpet and follow ur' instructions...👍
@Galaxia
Thanks for answering, but what happens to our existing CSC and GA? My GA will expire towards the end December, does it go through? Even if it's buddy gift? So many explanations, so hard to understand it all...so many questions still not asked...like custom pets and wardrobe and galleries and...
Thanks for answering, but what happens to our existing CSC and GA? My GA will expire towards the end December, does it go through? Even if it's buddy gift? So many explanations, so hard to understand it all...so many questions still not asked...like custom pets and wardrobe and galleries and...
What I'm understanding is this is just simply an open beta type thing and we can give real time feedback, nothing more than that
Also wanted to add, I'm just now getting into commissioning artwork/profiles for all my pets. Things I'll likely spend real money for. Should I put a pause on that if Kumos is going to be a thing? I assume what we purchase (coding wise) for Legacy will not work for Kumos.
@hannahharmin @Gambino
Hannah's got it perfectly. Things will be tested on kumos.subeta.net then brought to main subeta.net when they're ready, rather than having to make a whole new site or redirect you somewhere else.
Hannah's got it perfectly. Things will be tested on kumos.subeta.net then brought to main subeta.net when they're ready, rather than having to make a whole new site or redirect you somewhere else.
I'm real confused and also a little weary because I had to manually change my passwords for all three sites.
I'm with @Gambino with liking the legacy site. Not entirely sure what's going on with Kumos. Is it a site used to test new code and updated code and then implement that code on Subeta.net?