Cash Shop: Well Hung Meat
The room is brightly lit and smells metallic. Hooks dangle from the ceiling, red stains surround the huge drains on the floor. Somebody is laughing, a deep bellowing laugh that you've heard before, but it hasn't been so sinister as this. The laughter turns to screams. The fearful bleating of a beloved pet goat, mixed with the screams of man. A man that did not want to die. A secret hidden away from everyone. You can't run from it anymore.
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@Muerte
SOYLENT GREEN IS WELL HUNG PEOPLE!
In all seriousness, it was a play on how the sentences flowed and Bubbles lookin all spoopy in the slaughterhouse. I highly doubt Subeta is gonna go all “Human! It tastes just like chicken!” on us. (At least I HOPE they won’t.) Gunter seems really haunted by what went down and with all his time making sausages it wouldn’t surprise me if it was revealed that he has nightmares where he makes people into food. We already see things converging with Bubbles screaming and Oatmeal bleating.
SOYLENT GREEN IS WELL HUNG PEOPLE!
In all seriousness, it was a play on how the sentences flowed and Bubbles lookin all spoopy in the slaughterhouse. I highly doubt Subeta is gonna go all “Human! It tastes just like chicken!” on us. (At least I HOPE they won’t.) Gunter seems really haunted by what went down and with all his time making sausages it wouldn’t surprise me if it was revealed that he has nightmares where he makes people into food. We already see things converging with Bubbles screaming and Oatmeal bleating.
And @picapau, I forgot to add. Don't leave. Your levelheadedness is something we need more of. Don't let these militant vegans get to you. I'm not a vegan, but I do agree that we should eat less meat and provide healthier conditions for animals.
The condescending attitude towards dissenters with the "LUL SILLY IGNORANT CARNIVORES JUST DONT LIKE VEEEEGANS" is not becoming of a welcoming place. I don't care what you believe, you don't blindly dismiss discussion like that unless you're also astonishingly ignorant yourself. The echochamber has to stop.
I'm very sorry these fools were awful to you. I support you, and think you came to a sensible conclusion. Your personal views are close to mine, but even if not, it is your choice and ultimately your valid decision to hold these opinions.
There are others that support you, too. Please don't forget that. Vegan or not, political or not, those that are levelheaded on either side will always come around. Our comments might get a lot of flame because we're the dissenting opinion, but it's necessary to maintain a balanced board. If you leave, you're letting the bullies win over you and silence you. Whatever you do, good luck!
The condescending attitude towards dissenters with the "LUL SILLY IGNORANT CARNIVORES JUST DONT LIKE VEEEEGANS" is not becoming of a welcoming place. I don't care what you believe, you don't blindly dismiss discussion like that unless you're also astonishingly ignorant yourself. The echochamber has to stop.
I'm very sorry these fools were awful to you. I support you, and think you came to a sensible conclusion. Your personal views are close to mine, but even if not, it is your choice and ultimately your valid decision to hold these opinions.
There are others that support you, too. Please don't forget that. Vegan or not, political or not, those that are levelheaded on either side will always come around. Our comments might get a lot of flame because we're the dissenting opinion, but it's necessary to maintain a balanced board. If you leave, you're letting the bullies win over you and silence you. Whatever you do, good luck!
@picapau Similar things happened to me, and I'm pescetarian for god's sake. B12 deficiency. Our complaints are towards the loaded political messages being implied here.
But no matter, they're not going to listen even if some complaints here are valid. It isn't about the pro-vegan message. They're just going to continue to be condescending to us even if we politely bring up why we dislike the message being sent.
But no matter, they're not going to listen even if some complaints here are valid. It isn't about the pro-vegan message. They're just going to continue to be condescending to us even if we politely bring up why we dislike the message being sent.
This plot line may be "just a plot line" to some of you, but there is clearly an intent with the content to try to sway people towards veganism.
I used to be hardcore vegan until a number of things happened. Despite my best efforts to supplement the nutrients I was missing out on with a vegan diet, pretty much B12 if you eat balanced enough, I didn't have healthy levels in my body. Supplements aren't regulated by the FDA the same way food is; they're often mislabeled and have unlisted fillers and lower amounts than the labels claim. Many supplement companies use third party regulators, however, they charge more due to the fees those companies charge for certification. Not everyone can afford to know the supplements they're purchasing are potent and doing their job. Safe veganism is a privilege. Not everyone has access to them. And you DO need to be supplementing if you're on a vegan diet, because nothing in a vegan diet has been proven to be a viable natural source of B12. You might be thinking, WAIT, what about spirulina, a plant-based food known to contain B12? Please do your research and make sure the studies have a high number of participants and are peer-reviewed, meaning other experts in the field have reviewed the study and decided its claims and method are legitimate enough to be published. Take a look at this article for starters: http://www.b12-vitamin.com/algae/
A good omnivorous source of B12 that's generally affordable these days is 1 serving a week of farm-raised oysters or other shellfish (so long as you're not allergic). Being vegan except for the 1 serving of shellfish a week can be a great option if you're worried about maintaining healthy levels of B12. Eggs and dairy products are not great ways to get your daily B12 since they have low levels of B12 overall.
Being vegan for years on end can be detrimental to the human body, which has a naturally omnivorous diet. We are not meant to be vegan, naturally. Now, I'm not saying we can't CHOOSE to be vegan. Many people do and are able to live healthily. But don't think just because you can that everyone should be. Not everyone needs to not eat meat to save the environment, we all just need to eat less meat. Not everyone sees eating meat as cruel. Many meat-eaters choose to purchase meat from animals that lived in pasture and were slaughtered quickly in a clean, uncrowded environment. Other animals eat other animals. Yes, we have more awareness than other animals and the choice not to, but we shouldn't fault ourselves for following our natural diets. You don't think tigers or birds (even crows eat scavenged meat) are monsters for eating meat. My opinion is that if we choose to eat meat that comes from a living thing, we shouldn't take excessive/unnecessary numbers of lives, that's why I stick to a couple oyster's lives a week. I also don't think we should treat the animals we eat like unfeeling objects, crowd them to a point that causes disease (that we mitigate with overuse of anibiotics) and depression, or anything like that. You can feel differently, you can make different choices than me or others, but don't treat someone as less than humane or void of compassion for their dietary choices. A lot of the extreme vegans out there probably still purchase a lot of products that toxify the environment (like synthetic beauty products or faux leather) either in production or when they're washed down the drain, attributing to second-hand poisoning of the wildlife on this planet. Some of those products could also be produced in sweatshops where workers are mistreated, run into the ground, and exposed to chemicals that may leave them with cancer or equipment that may injure them. Ethical consumerism under capitalism is virtually impossible, so don't act like you're some high and mighty person for being vegan. You're probably still doing your part in harming the earth or animals. I'm not saying being vegan does nothing, just that it doesn't solve everything and there are other ways people can do their part to help the earth or animals.
Because of people making me feel like a monster when I stopped being vegan (I still practice veganism in terms of beauty, clothing, and other products, and do try to eat mostly vegan and be respectful of the fact that it's another life being taken when I don't), I eventually developed intense guilt that attributed to an eating disorder I still haven't recovered from.
The sort of extreme values this plot line pushes make me uncomfortable since I know that even though the intent is of the best sort, the impact can be harmful to the mental health of some of the site users.
This is a pet site where most people come to get away from the stress of all the effed up stuff in today's world, and I think discussions on this sort of thing or parts of the site that address it should be somewhere like a forum post where you can choose to chat about it if you'd like, not the front page.
Because I know I'll probably be chewed out by some for making this post, I'm probably not going to be on this site anymore. I rejoined it recently and was having a great time until I realized the sort of extreme views being pushed by the staff. This isn't a fun place for me anymore and I hope this message helps explain why a lot of people in the comments are feeling stressed out or upset by this, even though it's just a plot line and for some it's easy to not feel uncomfortable by its content.
I used to be hardcore vegan until a number of things happened. Despite my best efforts to supplement the nutrients I was missing out on with a vegan diet, pretty much B12 if you eat balanced enough, I didn't have healthy levels in my body. Supplements aren't regulated by the FDA the same way food is; they're often mislabeled and have unlisted fillers and lower amounts than the labels claim. Many supplement companies use third party regulators, however, they charge more due to the fees those companies charge for certification. Not everyone can afford to know the supplements they're purchasing are potent and doing their job. Safe veganism is a privilege. Not everyone has access to them. And you DO need to be supplementing if you're on a vegan diet, because nothing in a vegan diet has been proven to be a viable natural source of B12. You might be thinking, WAIT, what about spirulina, a plant-based food known to contain B12? Please do your research and make sure the studies have a high number of participants and are peer-reviewed, meaning other experts in the field have reviewed the study and decided its claims and method are legitimate enough to be published. Take a look at this article for starters: http://www.b12-vitamin.com/algae/
A good omnivorous source of B12 that's generally affordable these days is 1 serving a week of farm-raised oysters or other shellfish (so long as you're not allergic). Being vegan except for the 1 serving of shellfish a week can be a great option if you're worried about maintaining healthy levels of B12. Eggs and dairy products are not great ways to get your daily B12 since they have low levels of B12 overall.
Being vegan for years on end can be detrimental to the human body, which has a naturally omnivorous diet. We are not meant to be vegan, naturally. Now, I'm not saying we can't CHOOSE to be vegan. Many people do and are able to live healthily. But don't think just because you can that everyone should be. Not everyone needs to not eat meat to save the environment, we all just need to eat less meat. Not everyone sees eating meat as cruel. Many meat-eaters choose to purchase meat from animals that lived in pasture and were slaughtered quickly in a clean, uncrowded environment. Other animals eat other animals. Yes, we have more awareness than other animals and the choice not to, but we shouldn't fault ourselves for following our natural diets. You don't think tigers or birds (even crows eat scavenged meat) are monsters for eating meat. My opinion is that if we choose to eat meat that comes from a living thing, we shouldn't take excessive/unnecessary numbers of lives, that's why I stick to a couple oyster's lives a week. I also don't think we should treat the animals we eat like unfeeling objects, crowd them to a point that causes disease (that we mitigate with overuse of anibiotics) and depression, or anything like that. You can feel differently, you can make different choices than me or others, but don't treat someone as less than humane or void of compassion for their dietary choices. A lot of the extreme vegans out there probably still purchase a lot of products that toxify the environment (like synthetic beauty products or faux leather) either in production or when they're washed down the drain, attributing to second-hand poisoning of the wildlife on this planet. Some of those products could also be produced in sweatshops where workers are mistreated, run into the ground, and exposed to chemicals that may leave them with cancer or equipment that may injure them. Ethical consumerism under capitalism is virtually impossible, so don't act like you're some high and mighty person for being vegan. You're probably still doing your part in harming the earth or animals. I'm not saying being vegan does nothing, just that it doesn't solve everything and there are other ways people can do their part to help the earth or animals.
Because of people making me feel like a monster when I stopped being vegan (I still practice veganism in terms of beauty, clothing, and other products, and do try to eat mostly vegan and be respectful of the fact that it's another life being taken when I don't), I eventually developed intense guilt that attributed to an eating disorder I still haven't recovered from.
The sort of extreme values this plot line pushes make me uncomfortable since I know that even though the intent is of the best sort, the impact can be harmful to the mental health of some of the site users.
This is a pet site where most people come to get away from the stress of all the effed up stuff in today's world, and I think discussions on this sort of thing or parts of the site that address it should be somewhere like a forum post where you can choose to chat about it if you'd like, not the front page.
Because I know I'll probably be chewed out by some for making this post, I'm probably not going to be on this site anymore. I rejoined it recently and was having a great time until I realized the sort of extreme views being pushed by the staff. This isn't a fun place for me anymore and I hope this message helps explain why a lot of people in the comments are feeling stressed out or upset by this, even though it's just a plot line and for some it's easy to not feel uncomfortable by its content.
@Thunderbird
There ARE a lot of those kinds in the community unfortunately. Many of us just see it as the right choice for us as an individual, and are still able to respect others that aren't vegan. However, us nice vegans are usually "outed" from the community or called apologists. The militant vegan crowd is basically like a high school clique and if you're not like them, your offending statements are screenshotted and spread all around social media with various insults attached to it (and people that do this aren't in fact teenagers, but people old enough to have grandchildren). So yes, I can definitely understand why the mere word "vegan" makes people groan in dread. I hate that those kinds have to ruin it for all of us.
There ARE a lot of those kinds in the community unfortunately. Many of us just see it as the right choice for us as an individual, and are still able to respect others that aren't vegan. However, us nice vegans are usually "outed" from the community or called apologists. The militant vegan crowd is basically like a high school clique and if you're not like them, your offending statements are screenshotted and spread all around social media with various insults attached to it (and people that do this aren't in fact teenagers, but people old enough to have grandchildren). So yes, I can definitely understand why the mere word "vegan" makes people groan in dread. I hate that those kinds have to ruin it for all of us.
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Achievement -- Pleasure to Meat You I'M SORRY I DIDN'T KNOW WE WERE MAKING RAW THINGS EDIBLE, GOSH.
Feed one of your pets all of the following raw meats!
(thinking emoji)
also i wish i had never seen greg's comment bc bubbles is going to haunt my nightmares tonight
“I love that goat, I could never eat THAT goat. Why is he so different to the others? Why was my brother so like the others that I could do that?“
Good question! Why was he so like the others? GUNTER, PLEASE EXPLAIN. Did... Gunter eat people? Is that why Bubbles is missing an arm? I mean more than likely not, but the above quote raises a lot of questions.
Good question! Why was he so like the others? GUNTER, PLEASE EXPLAIN. Did... Gunter eat people? Is that why Bubbles is missing an arm? I mean more than likely not, but the above quote raises a lot of questions.
Okay. Reading this thread, I'm seeing a lot of rudeness and unnecessary antagonizing. After doing a little research on veganism, people need to understand how - and why - some people don't like some of the implications that this particular plot line is sending.
Now, for the record, I don't really personally GAF about food debates. However, first and foremost, veganism claims to be about ethics.
"Veganism is a way of living that seeks to exclude, as far as possible and practicable, all forms of exploitation of, and cruelty to, animals for food, clothing and any other purpose." - The Vegan Society
Likewise, a lot of vegan "go vegan" for political purposes, i.e. boycotting the meat industry, and other industries that use animal products, because they view it them as "increasing animal suffering". On r/vegan on Reddit, there's literally a 70+ upvoted post that says the following:
"On November 1st, 2015, after watching Cowspiracy on Netflix, I decided to commit to try Veganism for 1 month. I wanted to do it right, so I watched tons of YouTube videos and found lots of recipes. The documentary had a big impact on me, particularly because I recently began a Master's Program in Environmental Science, yet never knew the magnitude of the issue environmentally. After the initial month, I formed habits and learned more about the science behind how healthy, it is while also finally confronting the horror of the animal agriculture industry. Fast forward to today, it's almost been a year since my wife and I became vegan, and we do not ever plan on switching back."
"confronting the horror of the animal agriculture industry"? That's definitely a politically loaded thing to say. The OP also confessed that the only reason why they became vegan was because they are an environmentalist (also a political movement). Since a lot of vegans share this view, it's no wonder that people see the word "vegan", and tend to associate veganism with "doing this for a political purpose, or to make a political statement".
The same OP also spent the rest of their post pointing out "hypocrisy...of others", and commenters proceeded to "naysay", or tell anyone who disagreed with the post or certain vegan ideas, that they were "wrong". Not "wrong" as in opinion, but "wrong", as in objectively wrong. This also included downtalking, and being condescending and rude towards, other vegans who were not against other people eating meat.
My impression is that there is a lot of gatekeeping, and "policing", involved in the vegan community.
For example, from the same thread:
- "Vegan here. Just not the ethical kind." -> "The definition of veganism is ethical (and directly related to animal suffering), therefore you're not a vegan by definition."
- "I'm a vegan. meat isn't unhealthy for people." -> "You're wrong. That is false in general, and many studies have pointed out the exact opposite."
- "We, [as humans], are omnivores, we can eat both and be healthy." -> "There is no relation between being an omnivore and long-term health. The life span of early humans was probably very low, so long-term effects did probably have almost no effect on our evolution."
- "[..] A lot of people live to 80 or 90 years old and eat meat their entire lives." -> "And yet many of them suffer from typical diseases. [Eating meat and animal products is obviously the cause of that.]"
- "I would argue that stressing about what you eat and what others eat is truly the unhealthy practice." -> "But it's the right thing to do, because it's not just about an arbitrary choice with no effects."
And the last one is precisely why some people don't like this plot line, and how it relates to veganism, or what they see the site mods and owner as "promoting veganism": because most vegans see veganism as "the right thing to do". For them, it's not just a choice, but a black-and-white ethical issue of "right vs. wrong". From what I could tell by the Reddit thread alone, there was also a clear attitude of some vegans "talking down to" people, even other vegans, and cherry-picking information and science to try and push veganism as a "the only logical and factual choice", even though veganism is more or less dealing with personal views, politics, opinions, feelings, and ethics.
From one vegan on the thread: "[Veganism is] just a logical conclusion, long-term effects play almost no role in reproduction, so no selection is happening. If you don't understand it, I recommend getting familiar with evolution theory." (To me, the way that's worded sounds somewhat condescending. It's not only infantilizing the person raising the objections to veganism, but also implying that they're somehow less educated or ignorant for questioning veganism.)
That being said, some people simply don't like politics, much less as a major Subeta plot line. It's not about whether or not they eat meat; it's about feeling uncomfortable with what they see as a plot they see as associated with the vegan ethics and political movement.
Now, for the record, I don't really personally GAF about food debates. However, first and foremost, veganism claims to be about ethics.
"Veganism is a way of living that seeks to exclude, as far as possible and practicable, all forms of exploitation of, and cruelty to, animals for food, clothing and any other purpose." - The Vegan Society
Likewise, a lot of vegan "go vegan" for political purposes, i.e. boycotting the meat industry, and other industries that use animal products, because they view it them as "increasing animal suffering". On r/vegan on Reddit, there's literally a 70+ upvoted post that says the following:
"On November 1st, 2015, after watching Cowspiracy on Netflix, I decided to commit to try Veganism for 1 month. I wanted to do it right, so I watched tons of YouTube videos and found lots of recipes. The documentary had a big impact on me, particularly because I recently began a Master's Program in Environmental Science, yet never knew the magnitude of the issue environmentally. After the initial month, I formed habits and learned more about the science behind how healthy, it is while also finally confronting the horror of the animal agriculture industry. Fast forward to today, it's almost been a year since my wife and I became vegan, and we do not ever plan on switching back."
"confronting the horror of the animal agriculture industry"? That's definitely a politically loaded thing to say. The OP also confessed that the only reason why they became vegan was because they are an environmentalist (also a political movement). Since a lot of vegans share this view, it's no wonder that people see the word "vegan", and tend to associate veganism with "doing this for a political purpose, or to make a political statement".
The same OP also spent the rest of their post pointing out "hypocrisy...of others", and commenters proceeded to "naysay", or tell anyone who disagreed with the post or certain vegan ideas, that they were "wrong". Not "wrong" as in opinion, but "wrong", as in objectively wrong. This also included downtalking, and being condescending and rude towards, other vegans who were not against other people eating meat.
My impression is that there is a lot of gatekeeping, and "policing", involved in the vegan community.
For example, from the same thread:
- "Vegan here. Just not the ethical kind." -> "The definition of veganism is ethical (and directly related to animal suffering), therefore you're not a vegan by definition."
- "I'm a vegan. meat isn't unhealthy for people." -> "You're wrong. That is false in general, and many studies have pointed out the exact opposite."
- "We, [as humans], are omnivores, we can eat both and be healthy." -> "There is no relation between being an omnivore and long-term health. The life span of early humans was probably very low, so long-term effects did probably have almost no effect on our evolution."
- "[..] A lot of people live to 80 or 90 years old and eat meat their entire lives." -> "And yet many of them suffer from typical diseases. [Eating meat and animal products is obviously the cause of that.]"
- "I would argue that stressing about what you eat and what others eat is truly the unhealthy practice." -> "But it's the right thing to do, because it's not just about an arbitrary choice with no effects."
And the last one is precisely why some people don't like this plot line, and how it relates to veganism, or what they see the site mods and owner as "promoting veganism": because most vegans see veganism as "the right thing to do". For them, it's not just a choice, but a black-and-white ethical issue of "right vs. wrong". From what I could tell by the Reddit thread alone, there was also a clear attitude of some vegans "talking down to" people, even other vegans, and cherry-picking information and science to try and push veganism as a "the only logical and factual choice", even though veganism is more or less dealing with personal views, politics, opinions, feelings, and ethics.
From one vegan on the thread: "[Veganism is] just a logical conclusion, long-term effects play almost no role in reproduction, so no selection is happening. If you don't understand it, I recommend getting familiar with evolution theory." (To me, the way that's worded sounds somewhat condescending. It's not only infantilizing the person raising the objections to veganism, but also implying that they're somehow less educated or ignorant for questioning veganism.)
That being said, some people simply don't like politics, much less as a major Subeta plot line. It's not about whether or not they eat meat; it's about feeling uncomfortable with what they see as a plot they see as associated with the vegan ethics and political movement.
Bubbles’ sinister expression is really great! Actually startled me the first time I noticed him
GUNTER a lifestyle change is not a replacement for actual justice oh my GOD, Gunter.
I REALLY like that wearable though, helpful in the future for probable horror has.
I REALLY like that wearable though, helpful in the future for probable horror has.
And Gunter's challenger story? Fucking love it. It's grim, it's dark, it's twisted and sad. It also sheds some light on his lifestyle choices, and I don't think it has anything to do with guilting meat-eaters. It's about the guilt he feels himself for something terrible that happened and he's trying to find a way to heal/atone for it. It's a wonderfully written story, and it's not meant to be projected onto the userbase. It's about his nightmares and his struggles, not ours. That's like trying to say Esmerelda hating polyester was secretly Subeta shaming us for wearing cheap clothes. You know that's not the intent; Subeta is just storytelling and adding depth to their characters.
I hunt irl, and I also love animals very much; I could argue until I'm blue in the face about how those two things aren't mutually exclusive and how it's ecologically beneficial. But! I respect vegans/vegetarians because they're pretty much inconveniencing themselves to do what they feel is right, and that's honestly wonderful. I don't think it's wrong to let them celebrate their lifestyle. It's not like there's a lot of vegan/vegetarian items on the site in comparison to meat-focused foods, you know? Live and let live.
I hunt irl, and I also love animals very much; I could argue until I'm blue in the face about how those two things aren't mutually exclusive and how it's ecologically beneficial. But! I respect vegans/vegetarians because they're pretty much inconveniencing themselves to do what they feel is right, and that's honestly wonderful. I don't think it's wrong to let them celebrate their lifestyle. It's not like there's a lot of vegan/vegetarian items on the site in comparison to meat-focused foods, you know? Live and let live.
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DID HE EAT HIS BROTHER? DID HE TURN HIS BROTHER INTO SAUSAGE? WHAT WAS GUNTER FEEDING US?I love that goat, I could never eat THAT goat. Why is he so different to the others? Why was my brother so like the others that I could do that?
Keep trying, Gunter. All the tofu and soy burgers in the world can't erase what you did :')
Why is everyone so sensitive about fictional items on a pet site...? I'm personally loving the vegan items (as a meat eater) since I have some pets that could have them for their TCs! The art is great and the story is so intriguing.
I think this was well written, well thought through, and that this really gave us a lot of character depth.
Well done, staff. Keep doin' you, boo boo.
tunes out the shitstorm of 'this is too sensitive a subject' comments
Well done, staff. Keep doin' you, boo boo.
tunes out the shitstorm of 'this is too sensitive a subject' comments
"Home, home, on the range
Where critters are tied up in chains
I cut through their sides
An I rip off their hides
And the next day I do it again!" - McLeach 'The Rescuers Down Under'
Where critters are tied up in chains
I cut through their sides
An I rip off their hides
And the next day I do it again!" - McLeach 'The Rescuers Down Under'
This. Is so disturbing. And uneasy, and sad as heck. Gunter is definitely one of these characters with the most grim/sorrowful stories. Good that it's all a thing of past for him. And that he has Oatmeal <3
By the way, could someone explain to me what is going on with this vegan/non-vegan debate going on among users? 'Cause I don't understand how any of meat-eaters (me included) could feel offended by such a thing. shakes his head
By the way, could someone explain to me what is going on with this vegan/non-vegan debate going on among users? 'Cause I don't understand how any of meat-eaters (me included) could feel offended by such a thing. shakes his head
I've been pretty much staying out of this debate here but... guys. I know this is a touchy subject for a lot of people, but this news post isn't trying to glorify veganism or be anti-meat eaters. It's another entry in this year's line of battle challengers related to the nightmares/fears of various NPCs onsite. This challenger is all about a single character's personal nightmares and fears and guilt, which seem to be strongly tied to his personal decision to go vegan.
I must be the only person here that didn't see/think/feel anything about veg vs meat eaters, first time I thought of it was reading about it here and still don't see it anyway that 'baloney' aside... OMFG when I first read this I thought he HAD killed Oatmeal nearly had my morning coffee coming out my nose gssh!
The intrigue is awesome, where will it end, will Gunter overcome his nightmares/past, will Oatmeal end up a Sausage Meal, will coffee really come out my nose?!?!
The intrigue is awesome, where will it end, will Gunter overcome his nightmares/past, will Oatmeal end up a Sausage Meal, will coffee really come out my nose?!?!
tbh I... don't see what's wrong with one event catering to vegans when there's 4639265 different meat and meat lover items on the site already
