Cash Shop: Well Hung Meat
The room is brightly lit and smells metallic. Hooks dangle from the ceiling, red stains surround the huge drains on the floor. Somebody is laughing, a deep bellowing laugh that you've heard before, but it hasn't been so sinister as this. The laughter turns to screams. The fearful bleating of a beloved pet goat, mixed with the screams of man. A man that did not want to die. A secret hidden away from everyone. You can't run from it anymore.
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Blackjack
I'll never become vegan. ...But then again I'll also never murder and eat my brother, so there's that.
7
VOLTAGE
BUBBLES IS GUNTHER'S BROTHER???
(This is the only thing I got from this entire comment thread)
(This is the only thing I got from this entire comment thread)
1
MagnificentToaster
Kind of creeped out that apparently we're all supposed to like and admire the nice, charming beer man who loves animals and hosts vegan beer festivals for us...
...and is also a creepy murderer who has never faced justice and probably never will.
Kinda weirding me out.
...and is also a creepy murderer who has never faced justice and probably never will.
Kinda weirding me out.
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Ciannwn
I'm a meat eater but I don't see this item or plotline as promoting the vegan lifestyle. It's just explaining why a fictional character on a pet site decided to turn vegan. Yes, it's dark but some aspects of Subeta have been dark ever since the site started. What it did make me think of though, are butchers shops which are labelled Family Butchers. :)
6
bulleta
I like this
I really hope this whole sibling murder mystery thing gets properly addressed in like a plot or something instead of just bits and pieces here and there
I think it'll be fun
I really hope this whole sibling murder mystery thing gets properly addressed in like a plot or something instead of just bits and pieces here and there
I think it'll be fun
6
just2b
Seriously, if you think Subeta has an agenda; you'd have turned cannibalistic long time ago due to all the zombie based foods etc. Let bygones be bygones; it's just a plot twist for NPCs and battle opportunities.
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dillpicklechips
Alright, to everyone who's tripping out about this event. STOP it's literally just a game. If you don't agree with veganism then disagree with it and move on. No one's trying to guilt you into converting. It's literally just a fun little event for the vegans. Also, there are a TON of items that are non vegan. I'd say 90% of the items are non-vegan with that being said you don't see anyone who's a vegan arguing about those items. Literally, it's not a big deal Subeta is just a game lol. Gosh, I swear meat eaters are more prone to cause conflict about this stuff than vegans lmao. This is coming from a meat eater too.
8
Valiska
@soren: I think it's a combination of factors.
I don't think it's the "Go Vegan!" items. Maybe that's because I'm from California and I see stuff like that every day. It's pushy, but it's positively pushy. It's the "Cruelty-Free" and "Friends not Food" stuff. Cruelty-free isn't possible in this world--widespread agriculture and petroleum processing (fake fur and leather do not ACTUALLY grow on trees) destroy animal habitats too. Eating lower on the food chain can be an environmentally friendly thing to do, but not if you are binging on almond milk and quinoa and run around in shoes and fur coats made of petroleum.
2) I personally quite like the Gunter story, BUT, to people like me that grew up around hunting, hunters, and many domestic animals, Gunter's immediate association between killing his brother, killing animals for food, and killing his pet is weird. I'm just chalking it up to PTSD. People who hunt are not tempted to eat their household pets or hunting dogs (unless they're starving and the alternative is eating their family, but we're not talking Donner Party here).
3) Even before this event, there've been item descriptions that read a bit weird and pushy. Like, why do I need to know that the "Nut Roast" is one of many meat-free alternatives for Fireside dinner? Why not tell us what's in it, instead of what's NOT in it? Why does the Eco-Friendly Beef Jerky description contain "even if you are not ready to commit to a meat-free lifestyle", as if eating free-range meat wasn't a positive thing all on its own but rather only the stepping stone to veganism?
Honestly, I think that vegans who are puzzled by negative responses when they say things like "cruelty-free" or "if you are not yet ready to give up meat" think that they are being non-judgemental because they're comparing themselves to people who get up in other people's faces about their food while they're sitting there trying to eat it, or people who throw paint and stick gum onto other people's clothes. But there are still judgements contained in that kind of language. If you can't promote what you're into without putting something else down, something's wrong. Stop telling everyone else what's wrong with their food and tell us what's great about yours.
(If I could eliminate any group of food items from the site with a wish, it would not be the vegan stuff. I'd be hard pressed to choose between getting rid of all the items with poop/pee/pus/vomit in them, or the items that are explicitly made from people and from sapient pets who can understand books and do jobs like running shops, working for the secret service, and designing clothing.)
I don't think it's the "Go Vegan!" items. Maybe that's because I'm from California and I see stuff like that every day. It's pushy, but it's positively pushy. It's the "Cruelty-Free" and "Friends not Food" stuff. Cruelty-free isn't possible in this world--widespread agriculture and petroleum processing (fake fur and leather do not ACTUALLY grow on trees) destroy animal habitats too. Eating lower on the food chain can be an environmentally friendly thing to do, but not if you are binging on almond milk and quinoa and run around in shoes and fur coats made of petroleum.
2) I personally quite like the Gunter story, BUT, to people like me that grew up around hunting, hunters, and many domestic animals, Gunter's immediate association between killing his brother, killing animals for food, and killing his pet is weird. I'm just chalking it up to PTSD. People who hunt are not tempted to eat their household pets or hunting dogs (unless they're starving and the alternative is eating their family, but we're not talking Donner Party here).
3) Even before this event, there've been item descriptions that read a bit weird and pushy. Like, why do I need to know that the "Nut Roast" is one of many meat-free alternatives for Fireside dinner? Why not tell us what's in it, instead of what's NOT in it? Why does the Eco-Friendly Beef Jerky description contain "even if you are not ready to commit to a meat-free lifestyle", as if eating free-range meat wasn't a positive thing all on its own but rather only the stepping stone to veganism?
Honestly, I think that vegans who are puzzled by negative responses when they say things like "cruelty-free" or "if you are not yet ready to give up meat" think that they are being non-judgemental because they're comparing themselves to people who get up in other people's faces about their food while they're sitting there trying to eat it, or people who throw paint and stick gum onto other people's clothes. But there are still judgements contained in that kind of language. If you can't promote what you're into without putting something else down, something's wrong. Stop telling everyone else what's wrong with their food and tell us what's great about yours.
(If I could eliminate any group of food items from the site with a wish, it would not be the vegan stuff. I'd be hard pressed to choose between getting rid of all the items with poop/pee/pus/vomit in them, or the items that are explicitly made from people and from sapient pets who can understand books and do jobs like running shops, working for the secret service, and designing clothing.)
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Beowulf
@Starscream
Thank you. I went a few post back to check out to see what happen. Im cool with the vegan food and a event with only those items, not so cool with the Alegarten convertion being that event, but that is life and cant make anyome happy. Taking it this personally to me is bizarre, especially considering that most of us are adults. Probably it would be a good idea to bump down this news section to get this going and move on. Crazy!
Thank you. I went a few post back to check out to see what happen. Im cool with the vegan food and a event with only those items, not so cool with the Alegarten convertion being that event, but that is life and cant make anyome happy. Taking it this personally to me is bizarre, especially considering that most of us are adults. Probably it would be a good idea to bump down this news section to get this going and move on. Crazy!
2
Starscream
@Arte
They had Bubbles' part of the story back in February during Survival. He was the challenger and they made an item for his particular nightmare.
They had Bubbles' part of the story back in February during Survival. He was the challenger and they made an item for his particular nightmare.
2
Starscream
@surutyo
Pretty much, yeah. This is the craziest I've ever seen for an item release so far.
@Beowulf
What happened was that the site decided to release an item related to Gunter and Bubbles' backstory. The release unfortunately coincided with the newly renamed Alegarten which was given a vegan theme. That, combined with the news post description, stirred up both the angry feelings and the opinions of some that Subeta is trying to force them to adopt said lifestyle. While there have been cooler heads trying to calm things down, it still hasn't quite settled yet.
To me, it's simply an item. And there are others who feel that way, too. But I don't expect this to die down until either after the Subeta holiday is over or until the news post is off the front page. Or both.
Pretty much, yeah. This is the craziest I've ever seen for an item release so far.
@Beowulf
What happened was that the site decided to release an item related to Gunter and Bubbles' backstory. The release unfortunately coincided with the newly renamed Alegarten which was given a vegan theme. That, combined with the news post description, stirred up both the angry feelings and the opinions of some that Subeta is trying to force them to adopt said lifestyle. While there have been cooler heads trying to calm things down, it still hasn't quite settled yet.
To me, it's simply an item. And there are others who feel that way, too. But I don't expect this to die down until either after the Subeta holiday is over or until the news post is off the front page. Or both.
7
Arte
I am not a fan of Gunter now.....please get my precious Oatmeal away from this madman...holy crap... I had no idea that Gunter murdered poor Bubbles until I read through the comments. I'm creeped out.
3
Sprinter137
@picapau
I try hard to be understanding of both sides. I went through a militant stage for a while, but luckily I came to see how ridiculous it was. I've come to realize that worldwide animal rights and veganism is a fantasy idea, as is the "perfect" lifestyle or ideology. Veganism isn't perfect or cruelty free, so I personally never use that label. I just do the best I can, and yes, encourage people to just eat less meat or more humane meat. I think those 2 things alone would make a big impact.
I try hard to be understanding of both sides. I went through a militant stage for a while, but luckily I came to see how ridiculous it was. I've come to realize that worldwide animal rights and veganism is a fantasy idea, as is the "perfect" lifestyle or ideology. Veganism isn't perfect or cruelty free, so I personally never use that label. I just do the best I can, and yes, encourage people to just eat less meat or more humane meat. I think those 2 things alone would make a big impact.
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picapau
@Altruism
Thanks for your support. I got some profile comments as well and it looks like a lot of people liked what I said. I was worried about how it would come off, but I think I succeeded at keeping the tone polite. I'm willing to give the site another chance since I was wrong in assuming that I would be chewed out by a lot of people. I shouldn't have doubted anyone. It seems that people who agreed reached out, and those who didn't were at least respectful, which is all I can ask for. I hope the staff won't write off the users who are concerned about the intense message the plot line seems to be pushing, and will listen and be more thoughtful in the future.
@Sprinter137
It's always great to remember there are vegans who recognize why some people can be wary of certain vegans who take things to extremes. My problem with this plot line is just how intense the message comes across. I'd love to see more vegan items and NPCs on the site, so people to whom veganism is an important part of their lives could enjoy the site more, and users who are curious about veganism could learn more. I'd just love to see it in a way that's less off-putting.
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I'm also realizing there are some things I left out in my first comment, like the reason I mention farm-raised oysters as a good omnivorous B12 option is because of how sustainable the production is; farmers are able to grow algae for the oysters to eat in large tanks with really only sunlight being what the algae needs, and the oysters are (in most cases, companies vary) farmed in water that is kept as clean and healthy as possible since that affects the quality of the oysters. This is more sustainable than farm-raised fish as farmed fish are often fed feed made from wild-caught fish, sort of defeating the purpose of buying fish that are supposed to not affect the ocean populations. Oysters also don't have a central nervous system or brain, so the sensations they feel during death are going to be less intense than an animal with more complex biology. They feel something, I'm sure, so we should still respect that a life is being taken and not take in excess.
I also wanted to expand on another point. I think vegans oftentimes put so much research into animal welfare, but hardly any into human welfare. A lot of synthetic alternatives to animal products often use harsh chemicals that affect the workers handling them, as well as the air we breathe and water we drink. Now, I'm not saying animal products are always produced in ways that are chemical-free and workers are treated well. I just wish that no matter what people were purchasing (animal or synthetic), that they thought further into the real consequences of it. If vegans care so much about treating animals humanely, they should want all animals, humans included, to be treated humanely. I buy about 80% all my clothes and accessories, save bras, socks, and underwear, secondhand to avoid contributing to production processes that are harmful to the earth and people. The other percentage I buy from companies whose practices I agree with, which takes a lot of research as every company wants you to think they deserve an ethical gold star. And remember that Made in the USA isn't enough, as this often means exploitation of people in prison. I'm sharing this piece of information not to claim to be better than those who don't do what I do, but to show people an example of ways to be a more conscientious consumer.
To give vegans an idea of the impact that vegan leather purse they bought could have on the workers who handle the materials, and themselves, here's a quote from an article: "The most common and least expensive type of vegan leather, PVC contains harmful phthalates and chlorine which releases dioxins, one of the deadliest of man-made poisons. It is known to cause cancer, reproductive, developmental, and immune problems in humans."
Again, I'm not saying veganism isn't a good thing or that if you don't get everything 100% right all the time that your veganism is doing nothing. I just think vegans should remember that it's nearly impossible to do no harm with your purchases these days, so cut people a break. Even if they're not vegan, they may be more conscientious about other world issues and even if they're not, treating other humans as less than isn't going to solve anything. If you want people to listen to why veganism is important to you, encourage them to be more vegan with their diet, or anything along those lines, treat people kindly. Share your knowledge with them and let it be an informed choice they're making, not something they're doing because of emotional manipulation.
Thanks for your support. I got some profile comments as well and it looks like a lot of people liked what I said. I was worried about how it would come off, but I think I succeeded at keeping the tone polite. I'm willing to give the site another chance since I was wrong in assuming that I would be chewed out by a lot of people. I shouldn't have doubted anyone. It seems that people who agreed reached out, and those who didn't were at least respectful, which is all I can ask for. I hope the staff won't write off the users who are concerned about the intense message the plot line seems to be pushing, and will listen and be more thoughtful in the future.
@Sprinter137
It's always great to remember there are vegans who recognize why some people can be wary of certain vegans who take things to extremes. My problem with this plot line is just how intense the message comes across. I'd love to see more vegan items and NPCs on the site, so people to whom veganism is an important part of their lives could enjoy the site more, and users who are curious about veganism could learn more. I'd just love to see it in a way that's less off-putting.
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I'm also realizing there are some things I left out in my first comment, like the reason I mention farm-raised oysters as a good omnivorous B12 option is because of how sustainable the production is; farmers are able to grow algae for the oysters to eat in large tanks with really only sunlight being what the algae needs, and the oysters are (in most cases, companies vary) farmed in water that is kept as clean and healthy as possible since that affects the quality of the oysters. This is more sustainable than farm-raised fish as farmed fish are often fed feed made from wild-caught fish, sort of defeating the purpose of buying fish that are supposed to not affect the ocean populations. Oysters also don't have a central nervous system or brain, so the sensations they feel during death are going to be less intense than an animal with more complex biology. They feel something, I'm sure, so we should still respect that a life is being taken and not take in excess.
I also wanted to expand on another point. I think vegans oftentimes put so much research into animal welfare, but hardly any into human welfare. A lot of synthetic alternatives to animal products often use harsh chemicals that affect the workers handling them, as well as the air we breathe and water we drink. Now, I'm not saying animal products are always produced in ways that are chemical-free and workers are treated well. I just wish that no matter what people were purchasing (animal or synthetic), that they thought further into the real consequences of it. If vegans care so much about treating animals humanely, they should want all animals, humans included, to be treated humanely. I buy about 80% all my clothes and accessories, save bras, socks, and underwear, secondhand to avoid contributing to production processes that are harmful to the earth and people. The other percentage I buy from companies whose practices I agree with, which takes a lot of research as every company wants you to think they deserve an ethical gold star. And remember that Made in the USA isn't enough, as this often means exploitation of people in prison. I'm sharing this piece of information not to claim to be better than those who don't do what I do, but to show people an example of ways to be a more conscientious consumer.
To give vegans an idea of the impact that vegan leather purse they bought could have on the workers who handle the materials, and themselves, here's a quote from an article: "The most common and least expensive type of vegan leather, PVC contains harmful phthalates and chlorine which releases dioxins, one of the deadliest of man-made poisons. It is known to cause cancer, reproductive, developmental, and immune problems in humans."
Again, I'm not saying veganism isn't a good thing or that if you don't get everything 100% right all the time that your veganism is doing nothing. I just think vegans should remember that it's nearly impossible to do no harm with your purchases these days, so cut people a break. Even if they're not vegan, they may be more conscientious about other world issues and even if they're not, treating other humans as less than isn't going to solve anything. If you want people to listen to why veganism is important to you, encourage them to be more vegan with their diet, or anything along those lines, treat people kindly. Share your knowledge with them and let it be an informed choice they're making, not something they're doing because of emotional manipulation.
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Trikxty
This comment section is just insane. Wow.
It's also important to know that pixels will not deter me from wanting to be carnivorous.
It's equally important to add that I'm currently listening to Paul McCartney's "Let it Be".
It's also important to know that pixels will not deter me from wanting to be carnivorous.
It's equally important to add that I'm currently listening to Paul McCartney's "Let it Be".
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Beowulf
This is the most weird comment section ever. I went away a week and come to find this. What the hell happen?
7
surutyo
@Starscream Good to see someone shares my point of view :P Aside from being an item, it's also a part of Gunter's story, so seriously, why take it so personally... But with the intense shitstorm risen up by some of us, all we can do is just sit down, grab some popcorn and watch, I guess XD
5
Ambition
Well, to make it fair and balanced maybe next month we should have a theme of everyone going carnivorous and celebrating heterosexuality since this month is about going vegan and celebrating LGBT+-sexuality.
?? There's an idea! lol
?? There's an idea! lol
6
Harvest
Subeta isn’t pushing a “Vegan Agenda”. There are tons of foods on this site and NPC’s that eat meat. I feel no guilt in eating meat, and you shouldn’t let violently political Vegans make you feel bad about it. Death is a part of life.
4
Samwise
subeta/gunter are pushing the vegan thing so hard because going vegan is the only way to be 100% sure you're not EATING PEOPLE
SPREAD THE WORD
SPREAD THE WORD
11
Dice
Ok, but how can the other NPCs not know that Bubbles was murdered? He was drowned in a mash tun with the hatch secured from the outside! Even if Gunter did hide the evidence, it's still a clearly suspicious death. He fell in and just couldn't get out again? An experienced brewer taking risks like that? And why didn't his brother help him out again? It's not like Gunter has an alibi. Plus, it's pretty obvious he'd be the one to benefit the most from his brothers death. Slack work, residents of Subeta.
10
Nova
Ya'll over here debating, but me, I'm just lookin' at the well hung meat and waiting for Elwood to comment.
20
Fray
I'm fucking screaming at all the people that are saying this PET SITE is pushing veganism onto them
yeah, like the new pride sashes are trying to convert y'all to not be straight or cis, right? I'm laughing so hard
yeah, like the new pride sashes are trying to convert y'all to not be straight or cis, right? I'm laughing so hard
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Rachelle
I, like others, never even thought about Veganism being pushed on me. It's just a storyline and never crossed my mind at all.
8
innamoramento
this is a messed up plot twist... now, it kinda makes sense why he went vegan... >.> wrong reasons though, dude.
1
Darkrai
Anyway, I'm still #TeamBubbles and wholeheartedly support him should he learn (remember?) what happened to him and want to seek revenge
4
Darkrai
I didn't read the entire shitstorm of comments, but do y'all remember when we were told back in February that Gunter murdered Bubbles? This isn't a brand new storyline thought up to push some vegan agenda. This is information that we've had for months, being presented as a nightmare because Gunter supposedly feels real bad about committing fratricide, and it's adding to the backstory that it was part of why he became vegan two years ago.
Like, I get it. I'm not the biggest fan of some of the items this month either, but I definitely don't feel like they're trying to run me off the site for eating meat :/
Like, I get it. I'm not the biggest fan of some of the items this month either, but I definitely don't feel like they're trying to run me off the site for eating meat :/
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SongSparra
And with extreme embarrassment please ignore that last question as I've now realised/seen the Bubbles everyone is talking about, dear lord give me strength! Sorry about that.
3
soren
I think what I'm most curious about is how people would prefer these vegan items to be presented. :0 Is it the items that say things like "go vegan!!" that are mostly upsetting, or is it just the overall theme of veganism? Like, would people prefer if this event didn't have Gunter's backstory at all, and merely was just a "hey, here's some vegan items yay!!!" celebration without the "political" implications? I'm not vegan so maybe it's impossible to separate the politics from veganism (and I just don't know what I'm talking about), but I'm trying to see if there's a way we could compromise, for future Neugartens.
I guess tl;dr, is there a way to separate politics from veganism, at least for the sake of Subeta events? I'd love for this event to continue next year so we can get even more delicious vegan food (my pets' treasures need them!), but I don't want people to get upset, y'know?
I hope this made sense! I really just want us to all be happy and I get stressed when there's a lot of unhappy people on my favorite petsite, haha.
I guess tl;dr, is there a way to separate politics from veganism, at least for the sake of Subeta events? I'd love for this event to continue next year so we can get even more delicious vegan food (my pets' treasures need them!), but I don't want people to get upset, y'know?
I hope this made sense! I really just want us to all be happy and I get stressed when there's a lot of unhappy people on my favorite petsite, haha.
7
Sprinter137
@Altruism
I just wanna say that I'm vegan but I get your points, along with the other commenter's (I'm too lazy to tag them :P). I'm currently healthy but I've only been vegan 2 years, and I admit I do take a daily multivitamin, and I have an inflammatory disease which calls for a mostly plant based diet anyway. But I know that not everyone is the same, and guilting someone for going back to animal products for their health is really low (I myself would do it if need be). However, after being in the vegan community for over a year, I'm not one bit surprised. Most of them are horrible people tbh, I've never seen so much hate and nastiness.
And I DEFINITELY agree that I don't want this political/tumblr crap and its accompanying drama here on subeta. I quit FB and stopped associating with the vegan community for that reason, and I don't want to see this site turn into another SJW drama fest. The items are fine, imo, but there's no need for the agenda or message to be attached. Just release them like any other item
I just wanna say that I'm vegan but I get your points, along with the other commenter's (I'm too lazy to tag them :P). I'm currently healthy but I've only been vegan 2 years, and I admit I do take a daily multivitamin, and I have an inflammatory disease which calls for a mostly plant based diet anyway. But I know that not everyone is the same, and guilting someone for going back to animal products for their health is really low (I myself would do it if need be). However, after being in the vegan community for over a year, I'm not one bit surprised. Most of them are horrible people tbh, I've never seen so much hate and nastiness.
And I DEFINITELY agree that I don't want this political/tumblr crap and its accompanying drama here on subeta. I quit FB and stopped associating with the vegan community for that reason, and I don't want to see this site turn into another SJW drama fest. The items are fine, imo, but there's no need for the agenda or message to be attached. Just release them like any other item
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SongSparra
Holy crap! Totally amazed at how much this topic has expanded since back when I first posted!
I bet the @SubetaTeam didn't see this whole pile of gummy worms erupting over the storyline did they, nope they never saw it coming *slowly shakes head in mock sadness*
I bet the @SubetaTeam didn't see this whole pile of gummy worms erupting over the storyline did they, nope they never saw it coming *slowly shakes head in mock sadness*
0
just2b
@colorWIRED my head went there too, then I read the story and suddenly Sweeney Todd was playing.
To the vegans/naysayers: it's a game site, you don't have to take things so seriously. The story is in no relation to becoming or being vegan; just about someone who wants to change their ways and sordid past. It's a plot twist, not a "YOU MUST CONFORM TO VEGANISM". Geez. I never thought dietary preference would get as heated as GOP vs Dems.
To the vegans/naysayers: it's a game site, you don't have to take things so seriously. The story is in no relation to becoming or being vegan; just about someone who wants to change their ways and sordid past. It's a plot twist, not a "YOU MUST CONFORM TO VEGANISM". Geez. I never thought dietary preference would get as heated as GOP vs Dems.
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MuerteMermaid
@Muerte
SOYLENT GREEN IS WELL HUNG PEOPLE!
In all seriousness, it was a play on how the sentences flowed and Bubbles lookin all spoopy in the slaughterhouse. I highly doubt Subeta is gonna go all “Human! It tastes just like chicken!” on us. (At least I HOPE they won’t.) Gunter seems really haunted by what went down and with all his time making sausages it wouldn’t surprise me if it was revealed that he has nightmares where he makes people into food. We already see things converging with Bubbles screaming and Oatmeal bleating.
SOYLENT GREEN IS WELL HUNG PEOPLE!
In all seriousness, it was a play on how the sentences flowed and Bubbles lookin all spoopy in the slaughterhouse. I highly doubt Subeta is gonna go all “Human! It tastes just like chicken!” on us. (At least I HOPE they won’t.) Gunter seems really haunted by what went down and with all his time making sausages it wouldn’t surprise me if it was revealed that he has nightmares where he makes people into food. We already see things converging with Bubbles screaming and Oatmeal bleating.
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Altruism
And @picapau, I forgot to add. Don't leave. Your levelheadedness is something we need more of. Don't let these militant vegans get to you. I'm not a vegan, but I do agree that we should eat less meat and provide healthier conditions for animals.
The condescending attitude towards dissenters with the "LUL SILLY IGNORANT CARNIVORES JUST DONT LIKE VEEEEGANS" is not becoming of a welcoming place. I don't care *what* you believe, you don't blindly dismiss discussion like that unless you're also astonishingly ignorant yourself. The echochamber has to stop.
I'm very sorry these fools were awful to you. I support you, and think you came to a sensible conclusion. Your personal views are close to mine, but even if not, it is your choice and ultimately your valid decision to hold these opinions.
There are others that support you, too. Please don't forget that. Vegan or not, political or not, those that are levelheaded on either side will always come around. Our comments might get a lot of flame because we're the dissenting opinion, but it's necessary to maintain a balanced board. If you leave, you're letting the bullies win over you and silence you. Whatever you do, good luck!
The condescending attitude towards dissenters with the "LUL SILLY IGNORANT CARNIVORES JUST DONT LIKE VEEEEGANS" is not becoming of a welcoming place. I don't care *what* you believe, you don't blindly dismiss discussion like that unless you're also astonishingly ignorant yourself. The echochamber has to stop.
I'm very sorry these fools were awful to you. I support you, and think you came to a sensible conclusion. Your personal views are close to mine, but even if not, it is your choice and ultimately your valid decision to hold these opinions.
There are others that support you, too. Please don't forget that. Vegan or not, political or not, those that are levelheaded on either side will always come around. Our comments might get a lot of flame because we're the dissenting opinion, but it's necessary to maintain a balanced board. If you leave, you're letting the bullies win over you and silence you. Whatever you do, good luck!
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Altruism
@picapau Similar things happened to me, and I'm pescetarian for god's sake. B12 deficiency. Our complaints are towards the loaded political messages being implied here.
But no matter, they're not going to listen even if some complaints here are valid. It isn't about the pro-vegan message. They're just going to continue to be condescending to us even if we politely bring up why we dislike the message being sent.
But no matter, they're not going to listen even if some complaints here are valid. It isn't about the pro-vegan message. They're just going to continue to be condescending to us even if we politely bring up why we dislike the message being sent.
15
picapau
This plot line may be "just a plot line" to some of you, but there is clearly an intent with the content to try to sway people towards veganism.
I used to be hardcore vegan until a number of things happened. Despite my best efforts to supplement the nutrients I was missing out on with a vegan diet, pretty much B12 if you eat balanced enough, I didn't have healthy levels in my body. Supplements aren't regulated by the FDA the same way food is; they're often mislabeled and have unlisted fillers and lower amounts than the labels claim. Many supplement companies use third party regulators, however, they charge more due to the fees those companies charge for certification. Not everyone can afford to know the supplements they're purchasing are potent and doing their job. Safe veganism is a privilege. Not everyone has access to them. And you DO need to be supplementing if you're on a vegan diet, because nothing in a vegan diet has been proven to be a viable natural source of B12. You might be thinking, WAIT, what about spirulina, a plant-based food known to contain B12? Please do your research and make sure the studies have a high number of participants and are peer-reviewed, meaning other experts in the field have reviewed the study and decided its claims and method are legitimate enough to be published. Take a look at this article for starters: http://www.b12-vitamin.com/algae/
A good omnivorous source of B12 that's generally affordable these days is 1 serving a week of farm-raised oysters or other shellfish (so long as you're not allergic). Being vegan except for the 1 serving of shellfish a week can be a great option if you're worried about maintaining healthy levels of B12. Eggs and dairy products are not great ways to get your daily B12 since they have low levels of B12 overall.
Being vegan for years on end can be detrimental to the human body, which has a naturally omnivorous diet. We are not meant to be vegan, naturally. Now, I'm not saying we can't CHOOSE to be vegan. Many people do and are able to live healthily. But don't think just because you can that everyone should be. Not everyone needs to not eat meat to save the environment, we all just need to eat less meat. Not everyone sees eating meat as cruel. Many meat-eaters choose to purchase meat from animals that lived in pasture and were slaughtered quickly in a clean, uncrowded environment. Other animals eat other animals. Yes, we have more awareness than other animals and the choice not to, but we shouldn't fault ourselves for following our natural diets. You don't think tigers or birds (even crows eat scavenged meat) are monsters for eating meat. My opinion is that if we choose to eat meat that comes from a living thing, we shouldn't take excessive/unnecessary numbers of lives, that's why I stick to a couple oyster's lives a week. I also don't think we should treat the animals we eat like unfeeling objects, crowd them to a point that causes disease (that we mitigate with overuse of anibiotics) and depression, or anything like that. You can feel differently, you can make different choices than me or others, but don't treat someone as less than humane or void of compassion for their dietary choices. A lot of the extreme vegans out there probably still purchase a lot of products that toxify the environment (like synthetic beauty products or faux leather) either in production or when they're washed down the drain, attributing to second-hand poisoning of the wildlife on this planet. Some of those products could also be produced in sweatshops where workers are mistreated, run into the ground, and exposed to chemicals that may leave them with cancer or equipment that may injure them. Ethical consumerism under capitalism is virtually impossible, so don't act like you're some high and mighty person for being vegan. You're probably still doing your part in harming the earth or animals. I'm not saying being vegan does nothing, just that it doesn't solve everything and there are other ways people can do their part to help the earth or animals.
Because of people making me feel like a monster when I stopped being vegan (I still practice veganism in terms of beauty, clothing, and other products, and do try to eat mostly vegan and be respectful of the fact that it's another life being taken when I don't), I eventually developed intense guilt that attributed to an eating disorder I still haven't recovered from.
The sort of extreme values this plot line pushes make me uncomfortable since I know that even though the intent is of the best sort, the impact can be harmful to the mental health of some of the site users.
This is a pet site where most people come to get away from the stress of all the effed up stuff in today's world, and I think discussions on this sort of thing or parts of the site that address it should be somewhere like a forum post where you can choose to chat about it if you'd like, not the front page.
Because I know I'll probably be chewed out by some for making this post, I'm probably not going to be on this site anymore. I rejoined it recently and was having a great time until I realized the sort of extreme views being pushed by the staff. This isn't a fun place for me anymore and I hope this message helps explain why a lot of people in the comments are feeling stressed out or upset by this, even though it's just a plot line and for some it's easy to not feel uncomfortable by its content.
I used to be hardcore vegan until a number of things happened. Despite my best efforts to supplement the nutrients I was missing out on with a vegan diet, pretty much B12 if you eat balanced enough, I didn't have healthy levels in my body. Supplements aren't regulated by the FDA the same way food is; they're often mislabeled and have unlisted fillers and lower amounts than the labels claim. Many supplement companies use third party regulators, however, they charge more due to the fees those companies charge for certification. Not everyone can afford to know the supplements they're purchasing are potent and doing their job. Safe veganism is a privilege. Not everyone has access to them. And you DO need to be supplementing if you're on a vegan diet, because nothing in a vegan diet has been proven to be a viable natural source of B12. You might be thinking, WAIT, what about spirulina, a plant-based food known to contain B12? Please do your research and make sure the studies have a high number of participants and are peer-reviewed, meaning other experts in the field have reviewed the study and decided its claims and method are legitimate enough to be published. Take a look at this article for starters: http://www.b12-vitamin.com/algae/
A good omnivorous source of B12 that's generally affordable these days is 1 serving a week of farm-raised oysters or other shellfish (so long as you're not allergic). Being vegan except for the 1 serving of shellfish a week can be a great option if you're worried about maintaining healthy levels of B12. Eggs and dairy products are not great ways to get your daily B12 since they have low levels of B12 overall.
Being vegan for years on end can be detrimental to the human body, which has a naturally omnivorous diet. We are not meant to be vegan, naturally. Now, I'm not saying we can't CHOOSE to be vegan. Many people do and are able to live healthily. But don't think just because you can that everyone should be. Not everyone needs to not eat meat to save the environment, we all just need to eat less meat. Not everyone sees eating meat as cruel. Many meat-eaters choose to purchase meat from animals that lived in pasture and were slaughtered quickly in a clean, uncrowded environment. Other animals eat other animals. Yes, we have more awareness than other animals and the choice not to, but we shouldn't fault ourselves for following our natural diets. You don't think tigers or birds (even crows eat scavenged meat) are monsters for eating meat. My opinion is that if we choose to eat meat that comes from a living thing, we shouldn't take excessive/unnecessary numbers of lives, that's why I stick to a couple oyster's lives a week. I also don't think we should treat the animals we eat like unfeeling objects, crowd them to a point that causes disease (that we mitigate with overuse of anibiotics) and depression, or anything like that. You can feel differently, you can make different choices than me or others, but don't treat someone as less than humane or void of compassion for their dietary choices. A lot of the extreme vegans out there probably still purchase a lot of products that toxify the environment (like synthetic beauty products or faux leather) either in production or when they're washed down the drain, attributing to second-hand poisoning of the wildlife on this planet. Some of those products could also be produced in sweatshops where workers are mistreated, run into the ground, and exposed to chemicals that may leave them with cancer or equipment that may injure them. Ethical consumerism under capitalism is virtually impossible, so don't act like you're some high and mighty person for being vegan. You're probably still doing your part in harming the earth or animals. I'm not saying being vegan does nothing, just that it doesn't solve everything and there are other ways people can do their part to help the earth or animals.
Because of people making me feel like a monster when I stopped being vegan (I still practice veganism in terms of beauty, clothing, and other products, and do try to eat mostly vegan and be respectful of the fact that it's another life being taken when I don't), I eventually developed intense guilt that attributed to an eating disorder I still haven't recovered from.
The sort of extreme values this plot line pushes make me uncomfortable since I know that even though the intent is of the best sort, the impact can be harmful to the mental health of some of the site users.
This is a pet site where most people come to get away from the stress of all the effed up stuff in today's world, and I think discussions on this sort of thing or parts of the site that address it should be somewhere like a forum post where you can choose to chat about it if you'd like, not the front page.
Because I know I'll probably be chewed out by some for making this post, I'm probably not going to be on this site anymore. I rejoined it recently and was having a great time until I realized the sort of extreme views being pushed by the staff. This isn't a fun place for me anymore and I hope this message helps explain why a lot of people in the comments are feeling stressed out or upset by this, even though it's just a plot line and for some it's easy to not feel uncomfortable by its content.
42
Sprinter137
@Thunderbird
There ARE a lot of those kinds in the community unfortunately. Many of us just see it as the right choice for us as an individual, and are still able to respect others that aren't vegan. However, us nice vegans are usually "outed" from the community or called apologists. The militant vegan crowd is basically like a high school clique and if you're not like them, your offending statements are screenshotted and spread all around social media with various insults attached to it (and people that do this aren't in fact teenagers, but people old enough to have grandchildren). So yes, I can definitely understand why the mere word "vegan" makes people groan in dread. I hate that those kinds have to ruin it for all of us.
There ARE a lot of those kinds in the community unfortunately. Many of us just see it as the right choice for us as an individual, and are still able to respect others that aren't vegan. However, us nice vegans are usually "outed" from the community or called apologists. The militant vegan crowd is basically like a high school clique and if you're not like them, your offending statements are screenshotted and spread all around social media with various insults attached to it (and people that do this aren't in fact teenagers, but people old enough to have grandchildren). So yes, I can definitely understand why the mere word "vegan" makes people groan in dread. I hate that those kinds have to ruin it for all of us.
14
jensen
Quote:
Achievement -- Pleasure to Meat You I'M SORRY I DIDN'T KNOW WE WERE MAKING RAW THINGS EDIBLE, GOSH.
Feed one of your pets all of the following raw meats!
(thinking emoji)
also i wish i had never seen greg's comment bc bubbles is going to haunt my nightmares tonight
5
Mermaid
“I love that goat, I could never eat THAT goat. Why is he so different to the others? Why was my brother so like the others that I could do that?“
Good question! Why was he so like the others? GUNTER, PLEASE EXPLAIN. Did... Gunter eat people? Is that why Bubbles is missing an arm? I mean more than likely not, but the above quote raises a lot of questions.
Good question! Why was he so like the others? GUNTER, PLEASE EXPLAIN. Did... Gunter eat people? Is that why Bubbles is missing an arm? I mean more than likely not, but the above quote raises a lot of questions.
6
Thunderbird
Okay. Reading this thread, I'm seeing a lot of rudeness and unnecessary antagonizing. After doing a little research on veganism, people need to understand how - and why - some people don't like some of the implications that this particular plot line is sending.
Now, for the record, I don't really personally GAF about food debates. However, first and foremost, veganism claims to be about ethics.
"Veganism is a way of living that seeks to exclude, as far as possible and practicable, all forms of exploitation of, and cruelty to, animals for food, clothing and any other purpose." - The Vegan Society
Likewise, a lot of vegan "go vegan" for political purposes, i.e. boycotting the meat industry, and other industries that use animal products, because they view it them as "increasing animal suffering". On r/vegan on Reddit, there's literally a 70+ upvoted post that says the following:
"On November 1st, 2015, after watching Cowspiracy on Netflix, I decided to commit to try Veganism for 1 month. I wanted to do it right, so I watched tons of YouTube videos and found lots of recipes. The documentary had a big impact on me, particularly because I recently began a Master's Program in Environmental Science, yet never knew the magnitude of the issue environmentally. After the initial month, I formed habits and learned more about the science behind how healthy, it is while also finally confronting the horror of the animal agriculture industry. Fast forward to today, it's almost been a year since my wife and I became vegan, and we do not ever plan on switching back."
"confronting the horror of the animal agriculture industry"? That's definitely a politically loaded thing to say. The OP also confessed that the only reason why they became vegan was because they are an environmentalist (also a political movement). Since a lot of vegans share this view, it's no wonder that people see the word "vegan", and tend to associate veganism with "doing this for a political purpose, or to make a political statement".
The same OP also spent the rest of their post pointing out "hypocrisy...of others", and commenters proceeded to "naysay", or tell anyone who disagreed with the post or certain vegan ideas, that they were "wrong". Not "wrong" as in opinion, but "wrong", as in objectively wrong. This also included downtalking, and being condescending and rude towards, other vegans who were not against other people eating meat.
My impression is that there is a lot of gatekeeping, and "policing", involved in the vegan community.
For example, from the same thread:
- "Vegan here. Just not the ethical kind." -> "The definition of veganism is ethical (and directly related to animal suffering), therefore you're not a vegan by definition."
- "I'm a vegan. meat isn't unhealthy for people." -> "You're wrong. That is false in general, and many studies have pointed out the exact opposite."
- "We, [as humans], are omnivores, we can eat both and be healthy." -> "There is no relation between being an omnivore and long-term health. The life span of early humans was probably very low, so long-term effects did probably have almost no effect on our evolution."
- "[..] A lot of people live to 80 or 90 years old and eat meat their entire lives." -> "And yet many of them suffer from typical diseases. [Eating meat and animal products is obviously the cause of that.]"
- "I would argue that stressing about what you eat and what others eat is truly the unhealthy practice." -> "But it's the right thing to do, because it's not just about an arbitrary choice with no effects."
And the last one is precisely why some people don't like this plot line, and how it relates to veganism, or what they see the site mods and owner as "promoting veganism": because most vegans see veganism as "the right thing to do". For them, it's not just a choice, but a black-and-white ethical issue of "right vs. wrong". From what I could tell by the Reddit thread alone, there was also a clear attitude of some vegans "talking down to" people, even other vegans, and cherry-picking information and science to try and push veganism as a "the only logical and factual choice", even though veganism is more or less dealing with personal views, politics, opinions, feelings, and ethics.
From one vegan on the thread: "[Veganism is] just a logical conclusion, long-term effects play almost no role in reproduction, so no selection is happening. If you don't understand it, I recommend getting familiar with evolution theory." (To me, the way that's worded sounds somewhat condescending. It's not only infantilizing the person raising the objections to veganism, but also implying that they're somehow less educated or ignorant for questioning veganism.)
That being said, some people simply don't like politics, much less as a major Subeta plot line. It's not about whether or not they eat meat; it's about feeling uncomfortable with what they see as a plot they see as associated with the vegan ethics and political movement.
Now, for the record, I don't really personally GAF about food debates. However, first and foremost, veganism claims to be about ethics.
"Veganism is a way of living that seeks to exclude, as far as possible and practicable, all forms of exploitation of, and cruelty to, animals for food, clothing and any other purpose." - The Vegan Society
Likewise, a lot of vegan "go vegan" for political purposes, i.e. boycotting the meat industry, and other industries that use animal products, because they view it them as "increasing animal suffering". On r/vegan on Reddit, there's literally a 70+ upvoted post that says the following:
"On November 1st, 2015, after watching Cowspiracy on Netflix, I decided to commit to try Veganism for 1 month. I wanted to do it right, so I watched tons of YouTube videos and found lots of recipes. The documentary had a big impact on me, particularly because I recently began a Master's Program in Environmental Science, yet never knew the magnitude of the issue environmentally. After the initial month, I formed habits and learned more about the science behind how healthy, it is while also finally confronting the horror of the animal agriculture industry. Fast forward to today, it's almost been a year since my wife and I became vegan, and we do not ever plan on switching back."
"confronting the horror of the animal agriculture industry"? That's definitely a politically loaded thing to say. The OP also confessed that the only reason why they became vegan was because they are an environmentalist (also a political movement). Since a lot of vegans share this view, it's no wonder that people see the word "vegan", and tend to associate veganism with "doing this for a political purpose, or to make a political statement".
The same OP also spent the rest of their post pointing out "hypocrisy...of others", and commenters proceeded to "naysay", or tell anyone who disagreed with the post or certain vegan ideas, that they were "wrong". Not "wrong" as in opinion, but "wrong", as in objectively wrong. This also included downtalking, and being condescending and rude towards, other vegans who were not against other people eating meat.
My impression is that there is a lot of gatekeeping, and "policing", involved in the vegan community.
For example, from the same thread:
- "Vegan here. Just not the ethical kind." -> "The definition of veganism is ethical (and directly related to animal suffering), therefore you're not a vegan by definition."
- "I'm a vegan. meat isn't unhealthy for people." -> "You're wrong. That is false in general, and many studies have pointed out the exact opposite."
- "We, [as humans], are omnivores, we can eat both and be healthy." -> "There is no relation between being an omnivore and long-term health. The life span of early humans was probably very low, so long-term effects did probably have almost no effect on our evolution."
- "[..] A lot of people live to 80 or 90 years old and eat meat their entire lives." -> "And yet many of them suffer from typical diseases. [Eating meat and animal products is obviously the cause of that.]"
- "I would argue that stressing about what you eat and what others eat is truly the unhealthy practice." -> "But it's the right thing to do, because it's not just about an arbitrary choice with no effects."
And the last one is precisely why some people don't like this plot line, and how it relates to veganism, or what they see the site mods and owner as "promoting veganism": because most vegans see veganism as "the right thing to do". For them, it's not just a choice, but a black-and-white ethical issue of "right vs. wrong". From what I could tell by the Reddit thread alone, there was also a clear attitude of some vegans "talking down to" people, even other vegans, and cherry-picking information and science to try and push veganism as a "the only logical and factual choice", even though veganism is more or less dealing with personal views, politics, opinions, feelings, and ethics.
From one vegan on the thread: "[Veganism is] just a logical conclusion, long-term effects play almost no role in reproduction, so no selection is happening. If you don't understand it, I recommend getting familiar with evolution theory." (To me, the way that's worded sounds somewhat condescending. It's not only infantilizing the person raising the objections to veganism, but also implying that they're somehow less educated or ignorant for questioning veganism.)
That being said, some people simply don't like politics, much less as a major Subeta plot line. It's not about whether or not they eat meat; it's about feeling uncomfortable with what they see as a plot they see as associated with the vegan ethics and political movement.
24
Mermaid
Bubbles’ sinister expression is really great! Actually startled me the first time I noticed him
1
Mephistopheles
GUNTER a lifestyle change is not a replacement for actual justice oh my GOD, Gunter.
I REALLY like that wearable though, helpful in the future for probable horror has.
I REALLY like that wearable though, helpful in the future for probable horror has.
11
Strength
And Gunter's challenger story? Fucking love it. It's grim, it's dark, it's twisted and sad. It also sheds some light on his lifestyle choices, and I don't think it has anything to do with guilting meat-eaters. It's about the guilt he feels himself for something terrible that happened and he's trying to find a way to heal/atone for it. It's a wonderfully written story, and it's not meant to be projected onto the userbase. It's about his nightmares and his struggles, not ours. That's like trying to say Esmerelda hating polyester was secretly Subeta shaming us for wearing cheap clothes. You know that's not the intent; Subeta is just storytelling and adding depth to their characters.
I hunt irl, and I also love animals very much; I could argue until I'm blue in the face about how those two things aren't mutually exclusive and how it's ecologically beneficial. But! I respect vegans/vegetarians because they're pretty much inconveniencing themselves to do what they feel is right, and that's honestly wonderful. I don't think it's wrong to let them celebrate their lifestyle. It's not like there's a lot of vegan/vegetarian items on the site in comparison to meat-focused foods, you know? Live and let live.
I hunt irl, and I also love animals very much; I could argue until I'm blue in the face about how those two things aren't mutually exclusive and how it's ecologically beneficial. But! I respect vegans/vegetarians because they're pretty much inconveniencing themselves to do what they feel is right, and that's honestly wonderful. I don't think it's wrong to let them celebrate their lifestyle. It's not like there's a lot of vegan/vegetarian items on the site in comparison to meat-focused foods, you know? Live and let live.
12
Samwise
Quote:
DID HE EAT HIS BROTHER? DID HE TURN HIS BROTHER INTO SAUSAGE? WHAT WAS GUNTER FEEDING US?
I love that goat, I could never eat THAT goat. Why is he so different to the others? Why was my brother so like the others that I could do that?
36
Thanatoast
Keep trying, Gunter. All the tofu and soy burgers in the world can't erase what you did :')
27
DizzyTheBat
Why is everyone so sensitive about fictional items on a pet site...? I'm personally loving the vegan items (as a meat eater) since I have some pets that could have them for their TCs! The art is great and the story is so intriguing.
14
Peculiar
I think this was well written, well thought through, and that this really gave us a lot of character depth.
Well done, staff. Keep doin' you, boo boo.
*tunes out the shitstorm of 'this is too sensitive a subject' comments*
Well done, staff. Keep doin' you, boo boo.
*tunes out the shitstorm of 'this is too sensitive a subject' comments*
6
Benzin
"Home, home, on the range
Where critters are tied up in chains
I cut through their sides
An I rip off their hides
And the next day I do it again!" - McLeach 'The Rescuers Down Under'
Where critters are tied up in chains
I cut through their sides
An I rip off their hides
And the next day I do it again!" - McLeach 'The Rescuers Down Under'
9
surutyo
This. Is so disturbing. And uneasy, and sad as heck. Gunter is definitely one of these characters with the most grim/sorrowful stories. Good that it's all a thing of past for him. And that he has Oatmeal <3
By the way, could someone explain to me what is going on with this vegan/non-vegan debate going on among users? 'Cause I don't understand how any of meat-eaters (me included) could feel offended by such a thing. *shakes his head*
By the way, could someone explain to me what is going on with this vegan/non-vegan debate going on among users? 'Cause I don't understand how any of meat-eaters (me included) could feel offended by such a thing. *shakes his head*
18
Lea
I've been pretty much staying out of this debate here but... guys. I know this is a touchy subject for a lot of people, but this news post isn't trying to glorify veganism or be anti-meat eaters. It's another entry in this year's line of battle challengers related to the nightmares/fears of various NPCs onsite. This challenger is all about a single character's personal nightmares and fears and guilt, which seem to be strongly tied to his personal decision to go vegan.
30
SongSparra
I must be the only person here that didn't see/think/feel anything about veg vs meat eaters, first time I thought of it was reading about it here and still don't see it anyway that 'baloney' aside... OMFG when I first read this I thought he HAD killed Oatmeal nearly had my morning coffee coming out my nose gssh!
The intrigue is awesome, where will it end, will Gunter overcome his nightmares/past, will Oatmeal end up a Sausage Meal, will coffee really come out my nose?!?!
The intrigue is awesome, where will it end, will Gunter overcome his nightmares/past, will Oatmeal end up a Sausage Meal, will coffee really come out my nose?!?!
10
soren
tbh I... don't see what's wrong with one event catering to vegans when there's 4639265 different meat and meat lover items on the site already
20
Aiyana
say what you will about Neugarten, I had my own feelings about it and I still do. but I really like that this part of Gunter's backstory was addressed, and I do like the use of converting to veganism as a tool for him to try and atone for what he's done. I think the writing is clever and interesting. And if there is eventually some added consequence (anne/other npcs finding out? something else) even better.
17
Laurey
I understand the concerns that people have with it seeming a bit too preachy and sort of pushing the "if you're not vegan then you're wrong" message, but I also feel like some of the backlash is excessive as well.
It's ONE holiday catering towards vegan/vegetarian folks, and that's it. Some of y'all are acting like they're never going to release non-vegan items ever again and that's just not the case. And with this challenger post, it's not really meant to be bashing all meat eaters. It's about Gunter specifically, and his backstory and some of the reasons why he ended up becoming vegan because he feels guilty about his past. It's reflective of a single individual character and his inner feelings.
Rah also posted in the feedback thread for the event saying that they're open to evolving the event into more of a general sustainability event in the future, so user concerns aren't being completely dismissed.
So anyway, I'm not even vegan I just think some people are being a bit too harsh.
It's ONE holiday catering towards vegan/vegetarian folks, and that's it. Some of y'all are acting like they're never going to release non-vegan items ever again and that's just not the case. And with this challenger post, it's not really meant to be bashing all meat eaters. It's about Gunter specifically, and his backstory and some of the reasons why he ended up becoming vegan because he feels guilty about his past. It's reflective of a single individual character and his inner feelings.
Rah also posted in the feedback thread for the event saying that they're open to evolving the event into more of a general sustainability event in the future, so user concerns aren't being completely dismissed.So anyway, I'm not even vegan I just think some people are being a bit too harsh.
29
Ferinsy
Lol this is a personal phobia, yeah it's messed up to be like Gunter and vegans shouldnt have nightmares like that, but let's not forget that he also killed his brother and the last sentences clearly state that his fear about murdering animals is attached to Bubbles (also he was a butcher, so there's that, too, maybe a guilt for killing lots of animals with his hands)
Chill out, people, eat what you want, this isn't an attack, even because I'm almost sure that not the entire staff is vegan. You are all sounding like the reverse racism, heterophobia and christophobia people when a minor group get a space in society :P
Chill out, people, eat what you want, this isn't an attack, even because I'm almost sure that not the entire staff is vegan. You are all sounding like the reverse racism, heterophobia and christophobia people when a minor group get a space in society :P
21
Sketch
So Gunter really became vegan to run away from his past, good to know I'm not crazy and was thinking too much into it.
By far the most disturbing challenger, Bubbles is straight out a 10/10 horror movie (and I love it).
By far the most disturbing challenger, Bubbles is straight out a 10/10 horror movie (and I love it).
17
bluemoonlightgirl
@Altruism
I totally agree. Seems like it's being a little bit too pushy. If meat and vegan items were introduced in a equal way, I wouldn't be bothered by it. But here it seems like it's tipping too much in one direction, with one side being more highlighted than the other. Especially with this storyline. It's annoying how the responses to our concerns are so dismissive.
I totally agree. Seems like it's being a little bit too pushy. If meat and vegan items were introduced in a equal way, I wouldn't be bothered by it. But here it seems like it's tipping too much in one direction, with one side being more highlighted than the other. Especially with this storyline. It's annoying how the responses to our concerns are so dismissive.
17
RenaissanceRagged
if anything happens to oatmeal im deleting myself from existence tbh. seriously though please dont hurt him i will die,
5
just2b
really not liking Gunter anymore; but enjoying the story... albeit a bit morbid. What's summer without horror? ;)
5
ROADHOG
This is my first day back on Subeta in a loooong time and boy I could not have picked a better time to come back I am REELING....like what is happening omg.
6
Fray
@Altruism lmao no
none of the recent items are shoving ANYTHING down anyone's throat
the items are literally for vegans to enjoy, with informative, honest descriptions. not at all a personal attack on any of you.
veganism is 100% a positive thing and it's silly how pressed you all are over it. this post isn't even about the new items and you guys still took it personally.
there are a million and one things on site that cater to non vegans, so????
none of the recent items are shoving ANYTHING down anyone's throat
the items are literally for vegans to enjoy, with informative, honest descriptions. not at all a personal attack on any of you.
veganism is 100% a positive thing and it's silly how pressed you all are over it. this post isn't even about the new items and you guys still took it personally.
there are a million and one things on site that cater to non vegans, so????
23
Galaxia
@fashionisto
Plus, I doubt the Recycle Beast sends any minions sent his way to a nice farm upstate.
Plus, I doubt the Recycle Beast sends any minions sent his way to a nice farm upstate.
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Coraychi
If your takeaway from this is "vegan guilt" you GOTTA step back from the computer and think it over again.
This is a story, and these are fictional characters.
I took this as a deeply troubled person trying to do anything within their power to prove to themselves they aren't an irredeemable person. In the case of this story, it happened to be going vegan. Kind of like how characters who've done something bad will dedicate themselves to a cause, or give to charities, to feel like they've atoned for their wrong-doings.
I get feeling a little singled out by the Neugarten post and items, but people are blowing this largely out of proportion, and this post in particular has...nothing to do with the vegan vs non-vegan debate that people have started.
Drama aside, YIKES, this is a lot. I hope we get some more follow up to this~
I don't follow the site lore super closely because I'm pretty new here, and so am kinda out of the loop, so being thrown into this little family murder mystery is interesting @ v @
This is a story, and these are fictional characters.
I took this as a deeply troubled person trying to do anything within their power to prove to themselves they aren't an irredeemable person. In the case of this story, it happened to be going vegan. Kind of like how characters who've done something bad will dedicate themselves to a cause, or give to charities, to feel like they've atoned for their wrong-doings.
I get feeling a little singled out by the Neugarten post and items, but people are blowing this largely out of proportion, and this post in particular has...nothing to do with the vegan vs non-vegan debate that people have started.
Drama aside, YIKES, this is a lot. I hope we get some more follow up to this~
I don't follow the site lore super closely because I'm pretty new here, and so am kinda out of the loop, so being thrown into this little family murder mystery is interesting @ v @
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Altruism
@Fray @fashionisto
it's not about the items existing. it's about the "meat is murder" plotline being shoved down our throats.
there's a right way to include veganism and a wrong way to include veganism, and this is the wrong way. I have zero problems with people who are vegan, but I have every single problem with the self-righteous types who personally shove their beliefs down your throat. I'm pescetarian btw.
it's not about the items existing. it's about the "meat is murder" plotline being shoved down our throats.
there's a right way to include veganism and a wrong way to include veganism, and this is the wrong way. I have zero problems with people who are vegan, but I have every single problem with the self-righteous types who personally shove their beliefs down your throat. I'm pescetarian btw.
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Kestrel
Quote by @alias:
They're explaining one fictional character's choice for switching to veganism. That's it.
so like..... is subeta starting not to welcome non-vegans anymore? it kinda feels like it lately...
They changed and moved Alegarten because they exhausted a lot of the ideas for it, it was an unpopular holiday and there were too many holidays in that same general time.
It isn't exactly a secret that most people who switch to veganism do it because they feel uncomfortable consuming or using animal products. You don't have to take it as a personal attack just because that reasoning is brought up. Subeta isn't trying to guilt you (as far as I know, most of staff eats a regular diet), so maybe just let people have their day in the sun and celebrate their choices- it doesn't mean you have to feel less confident about the things you like.
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Impure
so many meat items and no one ever complained, now we get some vegan stuff and its meat shaming lmao
great story staff!!!
great story staff!!!
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Altruism
ngl kind of getting sick of the vegan guilt.
Why can't we all just eat what we want without shaming others?
Why can't we all just eat what we want without shaming others?
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Lucifer
Wow you guys...as a non-vegan im really starting to feel threatened by the amount of vegan inclusive items and characters around here lately...
Maybe we can have more items that guilt vegans as a balance? I mean, plants do have feelings too :^/
I really thought the Subeta team would be above guilting people about eating meat but I guess not
nah jk but that does sound like some dumb shit someone would say round here doesnt it
Maybe we can have more items that guilt vegans as a balance? I mean, plants do have feelings too :^/
I really thought the Subeta team would be above guilting people about eating meat but I guess not
nah jk but that does sound like some dumb shit someone would say round here doesnt it
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Searchname
Was kinda hopin the top pick with the window door thing was the overlay. Maybe it is a drop ^.^
Whut...I can TOO quit wardrobe any time, man.
Whut...I can TOO quit wardrobe any time, man.
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alias
so like..... is subeta starting not to welcome non-vegans anymore? it kinda feels like it lately...
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Isilven
Oh man, Bubbles was about to feed Oatmeal into the abattoir to be some goat sausage and Gunther snapped??!?!?! BRUH
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Laurey
Regardless of how you feel about veganism in general, I hope this can at least put to rest some of the complaints that Gunter's change doesn't make any sense.
Interesting challenger. I'm still curious to see if anything comes out of this with the other NPCs.
Interesting challenger. I'm still curious to see if anything comes out of this with the other NPCs.
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Marine
oh. well that sort of addresses the whole "BUT WHAT ABOUT BUBBLES???" that we've been seeing a lot lately ahaha
That item is incredibly unfortunately named though. Or... fortunately, if you care for that sort of thing. :p
That item is incredibly unfortunately named though. Or... fortunately, if you care for that sort of thing. :p
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superferretlover
I never noticed who was behind the curtain until Greg posted a closeup!
OMG! *shivers*
OMG! *shivers*
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Valiska
@WinterMoon - FWIW it doesn't seem like anyone tried very hard to find out who killed Bubbles. Maybe it was one of those "Goodbye Earl" situations.
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Blythe
When I saw the news alert for Well Humg Meat, I thought we were getting something durrty, not emotional scarring. Great writing and art, as always. Horrifying, but I’m so glad to be a part of such a creative community!
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Chrysariel
Ok the story is just creepy. But just seeing the name I *cough* completely conjured up the wrong meaning *cough* Ahem. lol
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Maladjusted_Jester
@Purge
So in anticipation of the release of well hung meat, you decided to celebrate with some smoking hot meat?
Hell of a party, there.
So in anticipation of the release of well hung meat, you decided to celebrate with some smoking hot meat?
Hell of a party, there.
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Balloon
(since I can't edit my comment)
n/m, just reread the story and the "fearful bleating" came after the "sinister laughter" turned to screams. So I still think Bubbles was gonna do something wicked, but not necessarily to Oatmeal. Don't mind me, a bit airheaded today.
n/m, just reread the story and the "fearful bleating" came after the "sinister laughter" turned to screams. So I still think Bubbles was gonna do something wicked, but not necessarily to Oatmeal. Don't mind me, a bit airheaded today.
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Maladjusted_Jester
never going to read the news posts on these challengers, but "Well Hung Meat"
*snicker*
*snicker*
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Balloon
1. When I saw the news post alert that said "Cash Shop: Well Hung Meat," I immediately assumed it was a new item related to Elwood. True fact.
2. From the story up there, I get the impression that Gunter killed Bubbles because Bubbles was hurting/was about to hurt Oatmeal in some way. That makes me feel a wee bit better about Gunter. NO ONE HURTS OATMEAL.
2. From the story up there, I get the impression that Gunter killed Bubbles because Bubbles was hurting/was about to hurt Oatmeal in some way. That makes me feel a wee bit better about Gunter. NO ONE HURTS OATMEAL.
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WinterMoon
So, everyone knows Gunther is a murderer. Is it ever going to have any consequences for him, other than being beaten up in the coliseum?
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jensen
The captive bolt pistol fires a heavy stainless steel bolt at your forehead, stunning you!
well... alright then. i'm real excited to see everyone's reaction to this one, for sure p:
well... alright then. i'm real excited to see everyone's reaction to this one, for sure p:
beginning stats - Industrial Slaughterhouse
loot
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Purge
Fun fact. I cooked up some delicious burgers last night to celebrate the release of this challenger. Then it got delayed a day ;.;
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